Ali Dawah - June 25, 2024


AMERICAN COUPLE SURPRISE MUSLIM


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In this episode, we talk about the differences between Islam and Christianity and how they differ in their belief system. We also discuss the benefits of having a Christian wife in your life and how to deal with disagreements in your marriage.

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00:00:00.000 We start out with things that we have in common and that we should be able, if we are truly convinced of our beliefs, we should be able to discuss without anger and hostility and listen to one another because there are things that even though I may not agree with the faith of a Muslim, there's things that I can learn from his commitment to God.
00:00:30.000 We want to establish an amazing masjid for the sake of Allah SWT in the country of Norway. Click on the link and donate now for the sake of Allah SWT.
00:00:51.000 You guys have been married for 35 years? He's getting close. Okay, 37? Up or down? 40. 40? Okay, firstly, I need the secret of that. I've been married nearly 5 years. So the first thing I need to ask you guys is please share me, tell me two things that I can implement in my marriage that would last it for 40 years because so far it's 5 years.
00:01:12.380 We have a Christian marriage and so that's very important to us is the spirituality. Love is a decision. Yeah. Okay, good. Love is a decision and keep a happy attitude. Okay. Forgive.
00:01:28.140 Okay, how do you guys deal with dispute? So if she's upset with something, etc. Like if my wife is upset with something, how do you think, how do you deal with it? Like anytime you upset her.
00:01:38.680 Well, she tends to talk about it more and I tend to... Because she's a woman. They express themselves more.
00:01:43.400 I might say, I might say, he'll pout. He'll hold it in and kind of stew inside.
00:01:52.080 I'm like that. I'm a bit stubborn. I'm stubborn. Stew inside and I would rather discuss it and hear what I have to say and then share what you have to say. But we end up working it out.
00:02:02.020 Okay, interesting. But okay, thank you for that. So look, do you know anything about our beliefs that coincide with Christianity? Because we...
00:02:08.500 Some. I know that you consider Isa a prophet. At least that's my understanding.
00:02:13.620 And I have some Muslim friends. I think they believe in one God too, don't they?
00:02:19.880 Yes, I know you're monotheistic. We believe in the one God.
00:02:22.480 Yeah. Yeah. So we believe that Jesus had a miraculous birth.
00:02:26.040 Yeah. We have a whole chapter on his mother. Did you know that?
00:02:29.760 In the Quran. We have a whole chapter called Mary.
00:02:32.060 Yeah. So it's about her and the miraculous birth that she had.
00:02:35.120 Because the Jews, in their belief, they call her an adulterer and they insult Jesus.
00:02:39.980 So we don't believe in that. We believe she was a holy woman, a very righteous woman.
00:02:43.100 One of the best women to walk this earth, we are told.
00:02:45.280 We believe that Jesus was a miraculous birth.
00:02:47.120 And we believe that he's done miracles with the permission of God.
00:02:52.700 He will come back. We believe in his second coming.
00:02:55.060 He will kill the Antichrist, which we know as Dajjal. We call him the Dajjal. 1.00
00:02:59.540 And yeah, our belief system is very similar.
00:03:02.660 We can marry Christians. We can eat from... 1.00
00:03:05.180 So it is okay to marry Christians? 1.00
00:03:06.820 Yeah. So as a Muslim man...
00:03:08.180 It surprises me. I didn't know that.
00:03:10.220 Yeah. So as a Muslim man, I'm allowed to marry a Christian woman.
00:03:13.340 Okay.
00:03:13.620 But a Muslim woman cannot marry a Christian man. 0.97
00:03:15.880 Okay.
00:03:16.580 The reason behind that is because as a Muslim, I'm not allowed to force my Christian wife into Islam.
00:03:22.540 But we believe that a Muslim woman might be coerced into Christianity, maybe.
00:03:28.500 So that's the reason why a man can't. 0.94
00:03:29.560 But however, Muslim woman and Muslim man cannot both marry idol worshippers.
00:03:34.160 Okay.
00:03:34.380 So pagans, like we agree that idol worship.
00:03:36.940 Right.
00:03:37.120 So one of the main things Islam came down to was to abolish idolatry.
00:03:42.620 So that we are told that God is one.
00:03:45.860 There is nothing like him.
00:03:47.200 He's self-sufficient.
00:03:48.300 Right.
00:03:48.560 The only thing that we differ with the Christians, maybe, is that we don't believe God is a man.
00:03:52.180 Yeah.
00:03:52.400 That Jesus came and died for the sins of the world.
00:03:54.120 We don't believe that.
00:03:55.220 But other than that, we've got very great similarities.
00:03:58.460 Is there any misconceptions you guys have about Islam?
00:04:00.500 Anything that you're like, okay, we've heard this?
00:04:01.980 I respect sincere worshippers of all faiths.
00:04:08.020 Now, I think that there are obviously some ways that are closer to truth.
00:04:12.180 than others.
00:04:12.800 But I do respect when I see sincere conviction coming from people of various faiths.
00:04:18.120 And when I see people that are following the principles of their faith, I'm somewhat critical
00:04:24.220 of people from my faith who are only very shallow believers and who don't follow through.
00:04:29.980 For instance, I don't drink alcohol.
00:04:32.160 Oh, brilliant.
00:04:32.700 I don't eat pork.
00:04:33.980 Oh, really?
00:04:34.260 I become vegetarian.
00:04:35.680 Oh, okay.
00:04:36.220 Is it for health reasons or religious reasons?
00:04:38.700 Both.
00:04:39.580 Oh, okay.
00:04:39.940 Both.
00:04:40.280 Because I think my body is the temple of God and that God wants me to take care of it.
00:04:44.840 But I think God has given me a way that is the best for me to live.
00:04:48.220 So I would say for both health and religious reasons.
00:04:50.660 Brilliant.
00:04:50.980 So I appreciate that about Islam.
00:04:54.360 And I have traveled in areas where Islam is prominent, like Turkey.
00:05:00.260 I'm from Turkey.
00:05:01.300 Yes.
00:05:01.680 Oh, okay.
00:05:02.140 We love Turkey.
00:05:02.920 Me and my wife go there.
00:05:04.700 We just go to eat.
00:05:05.260 We love the food.
00:05:05.980 Yes.
00:05:06.320 Yeah.
00:05:06.600 Yeah.
00:05:06.880 So I lead tour groups to Istanbul and to Izmir and the area of this.
00:05:13.920 I'm from Kayseri.
00:05:14.960 Oh, okay.
00:05:15.280 It's the business capital.
00:05:16.240 Yes.
00:05:16.600 The areas of the seven churches.
00:05:18.800 Yeah.
00:05:19.140 Okay.
00:05:19.340 So that's where we go.
00:05:20.300 Okay.
00:05:20.580 Perfect.
00:05:20.680 In fact, we were just there last year.
00:05:22.500 Oh, brilliant.
00:05:22.860 And so we try to help the Turkish economy out in that way.
00:05:27.300 So I respect people who are sincere and follow through in their faith commitments, whether
00:05:34.660 that's Christian or Islam or Judaism.
00:05:38.560 Okay.
00:05:38.760 And I think that when conversations take place, we should start out with things.
00:05:45.540 Parts of the park.
00:05:46.520 I'll tell you about that.
00:05:46.720 Oh, no.
00:05:47.040 That's all right.
00:05:47.460 That we start out with things that we have in common and that we should be able, if we
00:05:53.160 are truly convinced of our beliefs, we should be able to discuss without anger and hostility
00:05:58.100 and listen to one another.
00:05:59.740 Because there are things that, even though I may not agree with the faith of a Muslim,
00:06:05.040 there's things that I can learn from his commitment to God.
00:06:08.920 And, for instance, I think that some Christians need to do better on the principle of surrender
00:06:14.240 to God, submission to God.
00:06:15.500 And I think Islam is very strong in that way.
00:06:17.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:18.240 So.
00:06:18.740 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's lovely.
00:06:20.140 Like, with us, what's, are you a Unitarian or a Trinitarian?
00:06:23.460 So do you, are you a Unitarian?
00:06:25.580 Unitarian?
00:06:26.100 Unitarian.
00:06:26.780 Or a Trinitarian? 0.93
00:06:27.320 Do you believe God is one?
00:06:28.380 I'm Trinitarian.
00:06:29.060 Oh, you're a Trinitarian. 1.00
00:06:29.640 Okay.
00:06:30.160 So, okay.
00:06:31.020 So, that's interesting.
00:06:33.600 For us, yeah.
00:06:34.400 But we do, we explain that very carefully.
00:06:37.400 Yeah.
00:06:37.760 Is that one God manifests in three persons.
00:06:40.200 And I'm sure you've heard formulations.
00:06:41.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:42.060 I can tell you're informed.
00:06:43.100 And so I, I, I'm sure you've heard how Christians formulate that.
00:06:47.160 And I know that to our friends who are Islamic and Jews, I know that sounds inconsistent to them.
00:06:54.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:55.080 One God manifests in three persons.
00:06:56.940 Because I do affirm strongly the Shema, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
00:07:02.920 Okay.
00:07:03.240 And yet, I do believe that Jesus is God's own son and was born of a virgin and those, those types of things that are taught in Scripture.
00:07:11.700 Okay.
00:07:11.860 Interesting.
00:07:12.240 Yeah, that's what Allah tells us in the Quran, that tell the people of the book that we come to common terms between us and you, that we worship God alone.
00:07:18.340 Yeah.
00:07:18.480 You know, the main thing is Islam is just like any kind of idolatry, any kind of thing. 1.00
00:07:22.540 It's just a pure worship of God.
00:07:24.740 Like, for example, I'm sure you guys have some kids.
00:07:26.900 How many kids?
00:07:27.440 Two sons.
00:07:27.880 Okay, brilliant.
00:07:28.300 I have two kids.
00:07:28.740 I've got three doers with, yeah?
00:07:29.860 So it's like with us, from our perspective, just, just quick, I don't want to hold you guys down.
00:07:33.100 It's a beautiful day.
00:07:34.000 You don't want to speak to me all day, yeah, yeah.
00:07:35.120 But, so, it's like, imagine if your kids, how old are they?
00:07:40.600 31 and 33.
00:07:41.860 Okay, good.
00:07:42.300 So.
00:07:42.440 And we've even got one grandchild.
00:07:44.060 Oh, wow.
00:07:44.600 As young as this lady looks, she has a granddaughter.
00:07:46.940 Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
00:07:47.600 She's just 35, we know that, you know, yes.
00:07:50.220 So the thing is here.
00:07:50.980 You're good.
00:07:52.240 So the thing is here is that when our children, like, grow up, like, would you not want them
00:07:57.980 to give you the credit that belongs to you?
00:08:00.040 In the sense where you looked after them, you changed their nappies, diapers, sorry, diapers,
00:08:04.080 yeah, you looked after them, you protected them against harm, way.
00:08:08.480 From our perspective, the Trinity is like, for example, that, imagine your kids grow up
00:08:12.540 and say, you know, Father, I'm going to go and thank Derek there.
00:08:17.080 It's, to us, it's like, for example, we believe that, you know, it says, I, God, I'm a jealous
00:08:20.640 God.
00:08:21.320 By God.
00:08:21.980 So we're saying that, that true worship and asking should be directly to God.
00:08:26.640 So from our perspective, it's like, that's why we have so much similarities.
00:08:29.580 That's why we try to have a discussion with the Christians to meet in the middle or somewhere
00:08:32.560 where we can say, we should give our pure devotion to God when we're asking Him directly.
00:08:38.300 We don't, we are very against going through Prophet Muhammad. 0.99
00:08:40.520 So no Muslim is allowed to go and say, oh, Muhammad, in your name, we go directly to God.
00:08:44.740 So from our perspective, it's like, there should be full, direct and focus towards God.
00:08:48.740 He's the one that sustains us.
00:08:49.860 He's the one that created us.
00:08:50.980 If we ask for anything, we don't go to Muhammad or any other prophets.
00:08:54.500 We go directly to God.
00:08:55.500 That's from our perspective, though.
00:08:56.460 Right.
00:08:56.640 And I do want to say, I would be happy for Christians to be as kind and congenial with
00:09:04.940 others about their faith as you are about your faith.
00:09:07.340 They are, they are.
00:09:07.800 A lot of Christians are lovely.
00:09:08.620 So I want to affirm you in that regard.
00:09:10.560 Nice to meet you.
00:09:11.460 Nice to meet you.
00:09:11.880 Have a nice day.
00:09:12.340 Ali.
00:09:12.800 Ali.
00:09:13.180 Yes.
00:09:13.600 What kind of food do you guys like?
00:09:15.320 What kind of food are you guys into?
00:09:17.260 We eat a lot.
00:09:18.240 We actually have eaten.
00:09:19.820 We just brought a sandwich and ate it.
00:09:21.640 We just ate a sandwich.
00:09:22.340 But we have tabui.
00:09:23.480 We like tabui.
00:09:24.460 We like tabui.
00:09:25.380 Do you like Japanese?
00:09:26.820 Yes.
00:09:27.420 Is there a good rich Japanese food?
00:09:28.760 There's a very good Japanese food.
00:09:30.720 Is there a good place around here?
00:09:32.160 Like an edgeware room?
00:09:32.840 It's called...
00:09:33.240 I never knew what to get in Japanese food for vegetarians.
00:09:36.520 Oh.
00:09:37.180 Oh, no.
00:09:37.660 They might have tofu.
00:09:38.960 Yeah.
00:09:39.300 There's a place called...
00:09:39.960 There's a place called Heron Tortoise.
00:09:42.800 Their black bean is very nice.
00:09:44.420 And their curry laksa.
00:09:45.720 And they do have a vegetarian option, I'm sure.
00:09:47.880 I like it when they take the rice and roll it in seaweed.
00:09:50.520 Sushi.
00:09:51.340 They do very good sushi.
00:09:51.980 Yeah, I like that.
00:09:52.720 I love sushi.
00:09:53.140 That's good, too.
00:09:53.800 Thank you.
00:09:53.980 I want you to know you're a good representation of your faith.
00:09:56.680 You know what?
00:09:57.020 You are also.
00:09:57.620 Because you're such a lovely gentleman.
00:09:58.680 I sometimes speak here.
00:09:59.880 We have hostile Muslims and Christians. 1.00
00:10:01.480 Yeah.
00:10:01.620 It's so refreshing to speak to a person from their book.
00:10:04.360 Yeah.
00:10:04.500 Who is...
00:10:04.820 Yeah.
00:10:04.980 Thank you very much.
00:10:05.580 God bless you.
00:10:06.000 Thank you.
00:10:06.340 Thank you, sister.
00:10:07.080 Thank you.
00:10:07.360 Have a nice day.
00:10:07.860 Thank you.
00:10:08.700 Yeah.
00:10:08.960 I mean...
00:10:09.280 I mean...
00:10:09.620 I mean, guys.
00:10:10.880 I'll be honest with you.
00:10:12.080 I don't know if you guys can see, but I am kind of getting goosebumps.
00:10:14.600 Now, why am I getting goosebumps?
00:10:16.320 Look at the civil discussion that we just had.
00:10:18.940 Look how lovely they were.
00:10:21.140 We came.
00:10:22.360 We spoke.
00:10:23.380 I told them about Islam.
00:10:24.520 What we believe.
00:10:25.780 I didn't want to get into an argument, etc.
00:10:27.660 Because you need to understand, a lot of people, a lot of Muslims sometimes are very fixated 0.96
00:10:32.120 in arguments, etc.
00:10:33.900 Sometimes Tawheed is not you convincing the other person or making an amazing argument 1.00
00:10:38.840 and breaking them down and making them look stupid and Chinese doesn't make sense. 1.00
00:10:42.500 No. 1.00
00:10:42.660 Sometimes it is how you leave a discussion.
00:10:45.660 Sometimes it is your manners.
00:10:47.280 The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said, I came for nothing but a perfect good character.
00:10:51.900 And again, I'm not trying to say I have that.
00:10:54.520 The point is, when we get into these discussions, assess.
00:10:58.080 You're like a doctor.
00:10:59.260 Diagnosed.
00:11:00.380 Spoke to them.
00:11:01.760 They're obviously a bit elderly.
00:11:04.160 They don't have that much energy.
00:11:05.580 You know, they're walking, etc.
00:11:06.760 I'm not going to get into a full-blown debate, etc.
00:11:09.260 about the Trinity.
00:11:10.080 We spoke.
00:11:10.540 I told them what we believe in Islam.
00:11:12.540 My job is to convey the message.
00:11:14.120 I hope I have done that.
00:11:16.140 Alhamdulillah, it was a brilliant discussion.
00:11:17.500 Lovely couple.
00:11:18.500 Spoke about marriage.
00:11:19.480 Spoke about food.
00:11:20.580 Spoke a bit about Trinity.
00:11:21.560 Spoke about Tawheed.
00:11:22.720 And we left it.
00:11:23.640 Alhamdulillah.
00:11:24.240 And may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala allow it to be a means that they accept Islam. 0.94
00:11:28.720 And Alhamdulillah, these little things, before I came to Islam, it was the character and
00:11:33.620 the way Muslims would treat me that would play a role in my decision-making factors.
00:11:37.280 So may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala allow Tawheed to not be something that we just utter, Tawheed,
00:11:42.740 Tawheed, Tawheed like a robot, but something that, inshaAllah, it is we embody.
00:11:46.600 As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
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