Ali Dawah - April 28, 2024


ARMENIAN CHRISTIAN OPENS QURAN FOR A SIGN


Episode Stats

Length

24 minutes

Words per Minute

203.90916

Word Count

5,091

Sentence Count

453

Hate Speech Sentences

37


Summary

In this episode of the podcast, we discuss the differences between Christianity and Islam, and the difference between their belief in God and belief in the Holy Qur'an. We also talk about the differences in belief between Armenians and Muslims.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You know, make a prayer and say, look, God, if this is the truth, if this book is genuinely the truth, show me a sign.
00:00:07.360 Just ask for guidance and just open it and just see what Allah has done.
00:00:12.380 To be fair, honestly, like, before, like, watching your guys' debates, like, I didn't know anything about Christianity.
00:00:17.380 I was just, I was just by, by name.
00:00:19.880 I didn't even, I didn't even know we believe that Jesus is divine.
00:00:22.500 I didn't even know that.
00:00:23.080 So, so you didn't even know that.
00:00:26.940 These are some of the drinks in my fridge, guys.
00:00:28.760 Just some of them, subhanAllah, that we drink, along water and many other things, many fruits to pick from, many foods to eat from, subhanAllah.
00:00:34.740 What about the people who are starving in Gaza, all around the world, who do not have food to eat?
00:00:38.820 How can we make these drinks, these foods go down our throat, knowing that they are starving?
00:00:42.420 I am working with the One Omar charity for their food project, guys, and they are a 100% donation policy charity.
00:00:47.740 I know the brothers who run the charity and I have full trust in them.
00:00:51.040 But the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, the Muslim is not the one.
00:00:53.620 When his neighbor is hungry, his stomach is full.
00:00:56.280 Assalamu alaikum, guys. I got approached by a lovely Armenian Christian.
00:01:01.100 How are you doing?
00:01:01.840 I'm good.
00:01:02.180 And I had the Quran in my pocket, actually. He didn't see it. I had it concealed.
00:01:05.660 And he was like, do you ever call me the Quran? I was like, of course I do.
00:01:07.380 Here you go. So that's yours as a gift.
00:01:09.760 Thank you.
00:01:10.160 So you're an Armenian Christian?
00:01:11.480 Yeah.
00:01:11.920 Can you tell me a bit about, is there a specific denomination?
00:01:16.960 Armenian and Apostolic.
00:01:17.860 Okay. Can you tell me a bit about that? Like, what's the difference between you guys? Like, do you believe Jesus is divine?
00:01:24.380 Okay. So Armenian and Apostolic, we branched off, I believe it was the Council of Chalcedon.
00:01:29.860 Okay.
00:01:30.100 And we're a denomination of Orthodox, but we're Oriental Orthodox. So we're more closely related to Coptic Christians, Ethiopians.
00:01:40.600 Okay.
00:01:40.900 And, yeah. So, I would like, the difference in belief would be, we are, me are physites. So, we believe, so basically, yeah. So, basically, we believe that Jesus, his, his divine and human nature are, we can combine them into one nature, kind of.
00:01:59.040 Whereas, whereas the diophysites, so like Catholic, Protestants, Orthodox.
00:02:02.960 They believe it's a separate nature.
00:02:03.820 Yeah, it's separate, so it's fully human, fully divine.
00:02:05.740 So you believe the divine and human nature can coexist?
00:02:08.900 We believe, I think, to be fair, I might be, I might be wrong about this because it's very precise language. I don't want to, what I'm saying might be heretical, so, you know.
00:02:17.700 Okay.
00:02:17.900 But that's, that's like the general idea.
00:02:19.700 Okay. All right. Interesting. What's your take on it? Like, let's, obviously, if I'm not mistaken, there is a bit of a hostility with Armenians towards Islam.
00:02:27.500 If I'm not mistaken, there's a bit of a history.
00:02:30.020 I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say Islam. I wouldn't say Islam itself.
00:02:33.280 Is it Turkey?
00:02:34.340 Turkey and Azerbaijan.
00:02:35.820 Turkey and Azerbaijan.
00:02:36.300 Okay. So, because they're Islamic countries, are there any Muslim Armenians?
00:02:40.580 There's a very, very small amount, but not too many.
00:02:44.080 Okay.
00:02:44.740 So, let me ask you, like, for example, let's put all religions aside.
00:02:48.560 Yeah.
00:02:48.840 Let's put Islam aside.
00:02:49.580 Let's put Christianity aside.
00:02:50.620 Yeah.
00:02:51.120 What is your, growing up, growing up, what is your belief before you were told about your Christianity?
00:02:59.840 Well, I don't know how to answer that because we, we, I grew up as Christian, so I didn't really have a belief before.
00:03:05.100 So, so, so, so you was, you was, yeah, yeah, heavily, okay.
00:03:07.520 Yeah.
00:03:07.980 Yeah.
00:03:08.040 So, do you, do you believe Jesus to be divine?
00:03:11.040 Like, do you, like, on, on, on, on, is it on the grounds that you have been taught that?
00:03:16.460 Or is it on the grounds that you, like, firmly believe that?
00:03:19.040 Because I sometimes believe there are people, even some Muslims, they are taught things.
00:03:22.960 Yeah, but they don't.
00:03:23.520 They haven't really looked into it.
00:03:24.020 Yeah, yeah, of course.
00:03:24.520 They just believe it.
00:03:25.480 And, yes, in Islam, it might make sense, like, believing God is one.
00:03:30.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:30.460 There's not really a contradiction behind that.
00:03:31.800 Yeah, yeah, I know what I mean.
00:03:32.780 So, with yourself, would you say that, for example, um, what is it?
00:03:36.800 Is it, like, I firmly believe this, or I was taught this?
00:03:39.600 I am in, bit of a, like, question, actually, I don't know.
00:03:41.720 A little bit of both, um, a little bit of both, because, obviously, I haven't, I haven't done much research into it.
00:03:46.540 I'm trying to do it more now.
00:03:47.560 Yeah.
00:03:48.020 So, like, starting from watching you and, like, Mohammed Hijab, and then I was watching some of the, like, SoCo films.
00:03:53.980 Yes.
00:03:54.360 So, I was watching their debates.
00:03:55.680 Yes.
00:03:55.880 And it got me interested in just, like, reading up on it.
00:03:58.600 So, yeah, um, I was more looking into, like, because, for me, to be fair, honestly, like, before, like, watching your guys' debates, like, I didn't know anything about Christianity.
00:04:07.980 Okay.
00:04:08.180 I was just, I was just by, by name.
00:04:10.460 Okay.
00:04:10.680 I didn't even, I didn't even know we believe God is divine.
00:04:13.280 I mean, not God, uh, Jesus is divine.
00:04:14.960 I didn't even know that.
00:04:15.540 So, so you didn't even know that?
00:04:17.220 No, I was, I, I was, yeah.
00:04:18.780 So, when was this?
00:04:19.800 This was, like, three years ago, maybe.
00:04:21.480 So, three years ago, you did not even know, or did you, you did not believe Jesus?
00:04:26.060 No, I did not know.
00:04:27.360 That Jesus was God.
00:04:28.380 Yeah, and we, we were taught that Jesus is the Son of God, but when, for example, when I was watching your, um, videos, and, um, you were mentioning how can, how can, how can you have three gods, Jesus, Father, Holy Spirit.
00:04:39.120 Yeah.
00:04:39.420 Yeah, I was saying, but we don't believe Jesus is God, and, uh, and then, turns out I was wrong.
00:04:43.400 We do, we do believe Jesus is God.
00:04:44.760 So, I looked into the Trinity, and I was doing more research on it, because I was, I was having doubts about that, and I was trying to find an explanation for it.
00:04:51.660 Okay.
00:04:51.880 And, uh, I was, uh, that got me to watch, uh, some of the Christian YouTube channels.
00:04:56.220 So, you see, that's very interesting.
00:04:57.800 Yeah.
00:04:57.980 I forgot to ask you the name, what was his name?
00:04:59.100 Greg.
00:04:59.480 Greg, sorry, Greg.
00:05:00.200 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:00.700 Nice to meet you.
00:05:01.280 Yeah.
00:05:01.540 Nice to meet you.
00:05:01.560 So, Greg, I appreciate, you know, before I come here to speak, it's gonna, usually, I pray to God, and I say, oh, God, please send me sincere people.
00:05:07.220 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:07.680 I haven't got time for time wasters, you get it?
00:05:09.180 Yeah.
00:05:09.440 Even though I entertain them, I'm looking for sincere people who are genuine to learn, and I'll be honest with you, from, in this time, we judge from what's apparent, and I see nothing about sincerity in you.
00:05:17.360 You're just genuine, you're polite, you're kind, you didn't come here insulting my religion, you didn't come insulting my prophet, you didn't come here, you know, with hostility, just genuinely came and said, look, I'll watch your videos, you're a lovely Christian man, who's come here and said, you know what, Ali, I'm a Christian, I watch your stuff, and, you know, I really appreciate and thank you for coming, because, you know what, I enjoy this conversation the most.
00:05:34.980 But it's genuine and sincere, anything that I might say, forgive me if it comes across anyway, so forgive me.
00:05:39.900 So, look, there's something very interesting, because we believe in something called the fitrah in Islam.
00:05:43.680 Fitrah is the innate disposition, meaning your natural, original sense.
00:05:48.120 You know when you get a phone, and you reset it to its factory settings?
00:05:51.480 Yeah.
00:05:51.720 Yeah?
00:05:52.200 We say that is the fitrah.
00:05:54.320 The fitrah is basically that, you know when you said, I did not know that Jesus is God until I heard it here, you was in that state of a fitrah.
00:06:03.660 Meaning, you was like, hold on a second, because the reason you found it a bit strange, is because it could be that, I did not know we believe this, simultaneously, in conjunction, that, hold on a second actually, Jesus is God?
00:06:20.980 Like a human being?
00:06:22.120 Yeah.
00:06:23.000 Obviously, I don't know your take on it, like, I'm assuming.
00:06:25.640 It's about right, yeah.
00:06:26.520 Yeah, so that's why, you know why I say that with certainty, and I'm so sure of that?
00:06:30.880 Because I know that any human being, for that matter, when they talk about God Almighty, to believe that he was a flesh bone like me who was born, it's far-fetched, and it doesn't befit God's nature.
00:06:42.700 Now, I know Christians come and say, well, for God, all things are possible.
00:06:45.980 We as Muslims say that as well.
00:06:47.340 But we say things that are befitting his majesty.
00:06:51.160 So, the reason why we say that is because we say, you know very well internally, bro, that, Greg, yeah?
00:06:57.000 Yeah.
00:06:57.240 Greg, that God, Jesus being God, it's counter logic, rationality.
00:07:03.880 Now, you come and say, well, God is beyond, I know that.
00:07:06.020 I'm talking about who God is, not what he does.
00:07:08.680 For example, God might choose to do a certain thing, yeah?
00:07:11.360 Now, that thing might not make sense to us, but we can say, well, God has a wisdom that we cannot see.
00:07:15.360 He has the pixel, we have the pixel, he has the picture.
00:07:17.760 But when it comes to who God is, we have to have certainties in that.
00:07:21.660 So, that's the reason why in Islam, we have, I came to Islam 11 years ago, by the way, yeah?
00:07:25.800 Yeah.
00:07:26.480 I don't know if you know my story.
00:07:27.200 I do, I do.
00:07:27.720 Yeah, thank you.
00:07:28.600 So, the thing is this, I understood what true pure monotheism is, an adulthood, which is what?
00:07:34.800 We have three categories of Tawheed.
00:07:36.820 Tawheed is the, you know, the oneness of God, yeah?
00:07:39.220 It's Tawheed al-Rubabiyyah, Tawheed al-Uluhiyyah, and Ismail al-Safad.
00:07:42.160 Tawheed al-Rubabiyyah is basically that we single out God, no, we single out God in his Lordship, yes?
00:07:48.640 Okay, so he is the one that sustains, who's created us.
00:07:51.320 He did not have Muhammad, Moses, Jesus, or any of them besides him needing help.
00:07:54.540 He didn't have the angels or the most supreme angel, Angel Gabriel.
00:07:57.820 He himself is self-sufficient and he created us.
00:08:02.680 He sustains us.
00:08:03.800 He has decreed things for us, yes?
00:08:06.440 So, we say, we do not ascribe them, because Christians come and say, in the, Jesus, in the beginning was the Father, no, in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God, yeah?
00:08:16.140 So, they try to say that Jesus was there with God, or then again, contrast, because it's like, hold on a second, I thought he was God.
00:08:23.720 Different story.
00:08:24.620 So, we say, no, God was there alone, and he is the one that's the sole caretaker of us.
00:08:30.460 Now, the second pillar, the second thing is what?
00:08:33.180 Tawheed al-Alohiya, which is what?
00:08:34.220 This is what makes Islam unique to every single religion on planet Earth.
00:08:38.520 What is that?
00:08:39.280 We single out God in worship.
00:08:41.700 So, when we pray, we don't say, in the name of Muhammad, or in the name of Moses, or in the name of Jesus, or in the name of this or that.
00:08:50.040 We worship God alone.
00:08:52.220 That's why in our prayer, Surah Fatihah, we say,
00:08:55.260 You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help.
00:09:00.880 Focus.
00:09:01.400 So, we don't have to go to priests to ask for forgiveness.
00:09:04.540 We don't need to go to other individuals.
00:09:06.520 We heavily, heavily focus on what?
00:09:08.480 God, I've sinned, I repent to you.
00:09:10.960 I don't need to go to a priest.
00:09:12.240 I don't need to go to saying this and saying that.
00:09:14.740 And lastly, without boring you,
00:09:17.220 lastly, we affirm names and attributes to him, which is what?
00:09:20.380 For example, we cannot attribute things to him that are humanly.
00:09:26.060 For example, we can't say God slept, he got tired, God was hungry.
00:09:31.280 Why?
00:09:31.880 Because we have the verse in the Quran, Surah Iqbalat,
00:09:33.720 قُلْهُوَ اللَّهُ أَهَدْ
00:09:34.920 اللَّهُ سَمَدْ
00:09:35.740 لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
00:09:36.840 وَلَمْ يَكُلْ لَهُكُلْ لَهُكُفْ وَنْ أَهَدْ
00:09:38.080 Say, He is one.
00:09:40.060 And I believe you believe this.
00:09:41.500 I'm going to say it to you one by one and tell me if you're the screening of them.
00:09:43.540 Say, He is one.
00:09:44.740 Do you believe He is one?
00:09:45.920 God.
00:09:46.480 God Almighty.
00:09:47.860 Well, we believe that He is one.
00:09:49.500 Okay, let's put our belief aside.
00:09:51.560 Okay, yeah, yeah.
00:09:52.080 Let's put aside.
00:09:52.880 So let's suppose we come across this verse, yeah?
00:09:54.520 It says, God is one.
00:09:55.880 Yeah.
00:09:56.380 I would agree that.
00:09:56.980 Okay.
00:09:57.440 He is self-sufficient.
00:09:58.860 Yes.
00:09:59.780 He does not beget.
00:10:01.460 What do you mean?
00:10:02.360 He does not beget.
00:10:02.900 He does not have a child.
00:10:05.660 He does not have...
00:10:06.380 Beget meaning like...
00:10:07.380 I understand, but I'm...
00:10:09.680 We refer to Jesus as...
00:10:13.340 The Son of God.
00:10:14.540 Like, I remember that word is used specifically with regards to Jesus.
00:10:19.120 So if I'm answering that, I want to know if I'm contradicting.
00:10:21.600 Okay, good.
00:10:22.400 So I don't...
00:10:23.280 I'm not sure.
00:10:23.720 If we put all religions aside, would you ever believe...
00:10:27.680 Would you ever wake up and say, you know what?
00:10:30.140 I believe in God, but I have to believe He has a son.
00:10:34.460 If me and you walk up on an island, we walk up and we're like, bloody hell, what are we doing here, mate?
00:10:38.040 Yeah, okay.
00:10:39.300 Wherever it is.
00:10:40.700 Me and you, would we ever come to the conclusion?
00:10:43.140 We might come and say, you know what?
00:10:44.680 There must have been something that put us here.
00:10:46.680 Yeah.
00:10:46.900 We'll come to simple, rational, logical reasoning, yeah?
00:10:48.960 Yeah.
00:10:49.460 But would we ever come together and say, you know what, Greg?
00:10:52.460 I think God has a son, you know?
00:10:54.080 Probably not.
00:10:54.600 Why?
00:10:55.760 Because what's the need?
00:10:58.240 Like, why would God...
00:10:59.140 Where did you get the information?
00:11:00.380 It has to be an information that's given to you.
00:11:02.420 But within your fitrah, the nature that I told you about, you would never come to the conclusion of saying,
00:11:07.340 God, because has a daughter, or God has a son.
00:11:10.160 And I come and say, no, God has a father.
00:11:12.640 We would never come to those conclusions.
00:11:14.700 So the verse says, he does not beget, nor is he begotten.
00:11:18.380 Meaning, Mary gave birth to Jesus.
00:11:21.780 Yeah.
00:11:22.560 So Jesus was born of a woman.
00:11:24.960 So he has a mother.
00:11:26.100 We don't believe God has a mother.
00:11:27.720 And lastly, there is nothing like him.
00:11:30.740 Do you agree?
00:11:31.700 Yeah.
00:11:32.620 That, again, here, obviously, is the Quran.
00:11:36.580 There's a verse in the Quran, yeah?
00:11:37.780 Yeah.
00:11:37.980 Which is clearly telling us and the Christians that let's come to common terms between us and you,
00:11:44.240 that we worship no one but God.
00:11:46.380 Right.
00:11:46.680 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:47.300 Yeah.
00:11:47.600 So what the Islam is doing is saying, you guys are the people of the book.
00:11:51.180 You're close to us.
00:11:51.940 We can marry from you.
00:11:52.940 We can eat from your meat.
00:11:55.040 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:55.720 Yeah.
00:11:55.840 We can, you can live under Islamic rule.
00:11:58.500 But what we're just saying is, can we not come to common terms?
00:12:01.200 That we don't associate partners to God and worship Him alone.
00:12:04.420 Yeah.
00:12:05.000 That's what Islam is.
00:12:05.800 I understand.
00:12:06.560 No, I've, I've, I've, I'm, although I'm not interested in perhaps becoming a Muslim.
00:12:12.180 That's fine.
00:12:12.780 Yeah, of course.
00:12:13.540 But I'm, I'm still very much open to, to reading the books and I, I like knowledge.
00:12:19.060 So I like to, I like to research things.
00:12:20.840 I like to read things, even though I might not agree with it.
00:12:22.780 That's fine.
00:12:23.260 That's the whole point you need to learn.
00:12:24.220 Okay.
00:12:24.840 Are you open to that Islam can be the truth?
00:12:28.180 Um, I'd have to look into that.
00:12:33.500 Okay.
00:12:33.960 So are you open to saying that, for example, at this moment in time, you're saying, I do
00:12:37.520 not believe it.
00:12:38.320 But are you open to saying there is a possibility that Islam can be the truth?
00:12:42.640 I don't think I would be.
00:12:43.840 Okay.
00:12:44.260 Why is that?
00:12:45.000 Um, it's, it comes down to more like the history of our country.
00:12:53.120 So this is good.
00:12:54.600 Okay.
00:12:55.120 And by the way, I can relate to you.
00:12:56.340 I'm going to tell you why.
00:12:57.260 Yeah.
00:12:57.560 So, uh, very much like if I was perhaps maybe if I was like an English person, it would be
00:13:05.460 more easier for me to come to terms with that.
00:13:07.040 Okay.
00:13:07.500 You understand?
00:13:08.120 So, okay.
00:13:08.740 So, so, so, so I relate to you.
00:13:10.140 How?
00:13:10.700 My dad hates Islam.
00:13:11.620 Yeah.
00:13:12.060 I think I've said it.
00:13:12.820 My dad hates Islam.
00:13:13.680 He hates, he says the thing that I've hate the most has been born into my family.
00:13:16.480 Yeah.
00:13:17.120 Now, I had two choices to make in life.
00:13:19.200 Number one, I'm going to please my lineage or whatever you want to call it, my background,
00:13:24.020 or I'm going to look in the mirror and lie to myself.
00:13:25.720 So now, for me, I know that the only one that is truly there for me is God Almighty.
00:13:32.320 When I, when I was born, put on this earth to when I die, to when I'm resurrected, to when
00:13:38.020 I'm questioned, till I enter paradise or hell.
00:13:40.740 God is the only one that's there for me.
00:13:42.680 Our parents are simply, essentially, these are individuals that has been ascribed to us
00:13:46.460 as being our parents.
00:13:47.600 But on the day of judgment, nobody knows no one.
00:13:49.660 Allah says in the Quran, on that day, a mother will be running away from the child.
00:13:53.880 Yeah.
00:13:54.320 Nobody knows nobody.
00:13:55.280 So what I'm saying is this, Greg.
00:13:56.820 How old are you?
00:13:57.640 18.
00:13:58.180 You're 18.
00:13:59.620 You have the same choice.
00:14:01.760 Which is what?
00:14:02.720 You can look back and say, hold on a second.
00:14:04.480 Like the same with my people, the background I come from.
00:14:07.840 They were persecuted by Muslims.
00:14:10.760 Some of them were killed.
00:14:12.540 Yes.
00:14:13.360 That's why my family must call me traitor.
00:14:15.320 But the point is this.
00:14:17.460 Those Muslims were bad Muslims.
00:14:19.280 I cannot put them into the category of the truth.
00:14:21.340 The truth is the truth.
00:14:22.760 And that's why even Jesus says in the Bible,
00:14:23.940 if you seek the truth and the truth shall set you free.
00:14:26.120 So don't let that stop you because Allah says in the Quran,
00:14:29.060 are you going to follow your forefathers knowing that they were wrong?
00:14:32.660 Just because they are your forefathers or just because I can't go back on.
00:14:35.620 And look, if you put God first and you say, this is the truth, man.
00:14:41.680 Like if it is the truth, like obviously you do your research and you find out.
00:14:45.040 Imagine you find that Islam is the truth and you say, I'm not going to follow it because,
00:14:50.180 I don't know, my dad might kick me out of the house or I might whatever, etc. for that matter.
00:14:53.120 Now, in that instance, obviously with me, I kept the secret from my father.
00:14:57.800 But the point is this, bro.
00:14:59.120 You have to ask yourself a question.
00:15:00.720 This is the truth.
00:15:03.040 Would you turn your back knowing if Islam was the truth,
00:15:05.360 if it was proven to you that Islam was the truth,
00:15:07.120 would you turn your back to it because of what's happened in Armenia?
00:15:10.320 It's a very, very complicated question that if I was to answer,
00:15:18.800 it would be a whole nother like tangent.
00:15:21.400 Okay.
00:15:21.760 Do you mean by tangent?
00:15:23.300 Do you mean like...
00:15:23.720 Like I'd have to go and speak about like Armenia and like...
00:15:28.320 Because we, here, I've noticed people aren't like British people,
00:15:32.960 they aren't very patriotic.
00:15:34.540 Yeah.
00:15:35.220 In our country, we're very patriotic.
00:15:37.760 We're very nationalistic.
00:15:38.980 Like, it's to the point where sometimes we put our country above everything else.
00:15:46.340 It's like worship.
00:15:47.900 That's a form of idol worship.
00:15:49.500 Well, no, we wouldn't say like we put it above God.
00:15:52.620 Obviously not.
00:15:53.680 But we put it above our family, ourselves.
00:15:56.260 But the thing is, if you don't put it above God,
00:15:59.480 and if Islam is the truth, then if you could put God first...
00:16:02.680 We put it side by side almost.
00:16:04.380 Oh, that's associating partners in that sense, indirectly.
00:16:08.080 I'm saying if Islam is truth and Allah is the truth,
00:16:11.860 if you believe in your background that God comes before our country,
00:16:15.820 then that means all these baggage of nationalism, all this kind of stuff,
00:16:19.800 who comes first?
00:16:20.840 That or God?
00:16:22.200 It would have to be God.
00:16:23.760 Could I ask you something?
00:16:24.540 Sure.
00:16:24.740 There was a few...
00:16:25.900 I have a few...
00:16:27.220 The main concern I've heard about,
00:16:29.940 because I've just been watching the debate,
00:16:31.100 so maybe I'm not that knowledgeable.
00:16:32.800 Yeah.
00:16:33.080 So I hope you could answer my question.
00:16:34.800 Because I don't want to go to them Christians,
00:16:36.560 and then maybe they'll give me some bias to that kind of thing.
00:16:38.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:39.160 So the main issue I see is Muhammad being the final prophet, right?
00:16:45.500 Yes.
00:16:46.120 So I just want to understand how...
00:16:51.400 Because in the Quran, I believe you guys believe Jesus is sinless, right?
00:16:55.200 We believe that every prophet is sinless.
00:16:57.960 Every prophet is sinless.
00:16:58.880 Like there are minor mistakes that they can make, etc.
00:17:02.900 But there's a difference between some say they've minute sins.
00:17:06.940 We say major sins, no way.
00:17:08.300 Because like in Christianity,
00:17:11.140 we believe Jesus is sinless.
00:17:13.160 Yeah.
00:17:13.480 But like the prophets before him,
00:17:16.180 because the covenant said that,
00:17:18.220 I believe it was the covenant,
00:17:19.300 said there would be a Messiah to come.
00:17:20.820 We would carry on the kingdom of Israel and so on and so forth.
00:17:23.100 We believe he's a Messiah.
00:17:23.760 Yeah.
00:17:24.140 So for example,
00:17:27.760 the prophets before him, they were sinners.
00:17:30.220 Yeah.
00:17:30.320 So that's why we follow Jesus.
00:17:34.500 So for example,
00:17:35.280 when I was to bring up like,
00:17:37.900 you guys believe Jesus is,
00:17:40.420 you said all prophets are sinless, right?
00:17:42.320 Yeah.
00:17:42.580 They didn't commit any major sins.
00:17:43.760 Yeah.
00:17:44.380 Mary has a chapter, right?
00:17:45.880 Yes, we have a whole chapter of Mary in the Quran.
00:17:47.760 Okay.
00:17:49.060 What is Muhammad's parents' name?
00:17:51.840 Oh, it's Abdullah, if I'm not mistaken.
00:17:55.680 And I forgot his mom's name.
00:17:57.780 Okay.
00:17:57.980 And by the way,
00:17:58.680 they both,
00:17:59.180 we believe they are in the hellfire.
00:18:00.840 They died as a Messiah.
00:18:02.080 I was going to ask about that.
00:18:03.300 So if Muslims believe that Muhammad is the greatest person to ever live, right?
00:18:09.900 He's the best man to walk the earth.
00:18:11.000 Yeah.
00:18:12.520 And we believe Mary is one of the best women to walk.
00:18:15.540 Okay.
00:18:15.800 Okay.
00:18:16.140 So I was just going to ask,
00:18:17.760 how would you reconcile like,
00:18:20.400 Muhammad being the greatest man to walk the earth
00:18:22.320 and him being like the final messenger of Allah,
00:18:25.580 but his parents are in hellfire.
00:18:28.900 Yeah.
00:18:29.120 His parents aren't mentioned as like,
00:18:31.140 I don't know if they're mentioned in the Quran specifically.
00:18:32.580 No.
00:18:33.080 They're not mentioned in the Quran.
00:18:34.440 Mary is,
00:18:35.080 has a chapter about her.
00:18:36.320 And I believe that,
00:18:37.980 I think,
00:18:38.220 I think that was a hadith.
00:18:39.080 I read it.
00:18:39.620 Yeah.
00:18:39.900 It was about how Muhammad asked Allah for forgiveness for his parents.
00:18:43.960 Or maybe,
00:18:44.460 maybe I'm mistaken.
00:18:45.300 It's about the Munafiqeen.
00:18:46.280 I don't know about his parents.
00:18:47.240 I think it was his mother.
00:18:48.460 He asked his mother,
00:18:49.960 Allah for,
00:18:50.700 to forgive his mother for being a disbeliever.
00:18:53.120 Maybe.
00:18:53.300 I might have heard something like that.
00:18:54.360 And Allah rejected his pleas.
00:18:56.220 Yes.
00:18:56.580 And I was just,
00:18:57.280 I was just curious.
00:18:58.460 If he is the greatest man to ever walk the earth,
00:19:01.540 he's the final messenger.
00:19:02.540 Why doesn't Allah grant forgiveness for his mother?
00:19:05.020 Because the thing is,
00:19:05.820 the rights of Allah overcomes anything.
00:19:08.720 So here,
00:19:09.160 we don't,
00:19:09.420 we don't worship.
00:19:10.100 We only love the Prophet Muhammad,
00:19:11.220 peace be upon him,
00:19:11.620 because Allah has told us to.
00:19:12.920 Allah is first for us.
00:19:14.200 We don't,
00:19:14.680 we don't,
00:19:14.880 we don't deify Muhammad,
00:19:16.140 peace be upon him.
00:19:16.440 I know,
00:19:16.680 I know.
00:19:17.080 So for us is,
00:19:18.360 the violation that was done was against Allah.
00:19:20.840 So a Prophet cannot come and ask.
00:19:22.560 And this shows you,
00:19:23.620 that he is a true Prophet.
00:19:24.800 If he wasn't a true Prophet,
00:19:25.580 he would have said,
00:19:25.880 yeah,
00:19:26.120 my mother and father in heaven.
00:19:27.700 It shows that the fact that he's saying,
00:19:30.080 that no,
00:19:31.020 and not only that,
00:19:31.840 Abraham,
00:19:32.340 we believe Abraham is father,
00:19:33.480 his father,
00:19:34.320 again,
00:19:35.000 he's in a hellfire.
00:19:36.120 So what we're saying is,
00:19:37.040 these things,
00:19:37.920 in this instance,
00:19:39.000 for example,
00:19:39.980 shows us,
00:19:40.660 because why?
00:19:41.600 The Christians went to exaggeration with Jesus.
00:19:44.560 Yeah.
00:19:44.700 And they made him divine.
00:19:45.920 The Jews started to degrade him,
00:19:48.100 and insult him,
00:19:48.800 and call him,
00:19:49.400 his mother and a daughter,
00:19:50.540 a wadha bi Allah,
00:19:51.300 and him names,
00:19:52.720 yeah,
00:19:52.880 and a liar.
00:19:53.840 Islam came and said,
00:19:54.880 he's not God,
00:19:55.960 and told the Christians,
00:19:57.080 he's not God.
00:19:57.480 Don't go to exaggeration in the religion.
00:19:58.900 And Allah says,
00:19:59.280 and we are telling the Jews,
00:20:01.220 stop insulting him.
00:20:02.080 He is the Messiah,
00:20:03.080 and he is a true Prophet,
00:20:04.080 and he's a mighty messenger.
00:20:05.640 So we are the balance in saying,
00:20:07.800 listen,
00:20:08.300 we believe Jesus,
00:20:09.880 and his miracles that he did,
00:20:12.140 by the permission of God.
00:20:13.280 We believe in all of this.
00:20:14.200 All we're just saying is,
00:20:15.440 don't go to extremes in your belief,
00:20:17.700 like you said.
00:20:18.600 You found out that Jesus was God.
00:20:20.080 Before that,
00:20:20.900 that concept was not even in your mind.
00:20:22.540 And that shows me,
00:20:23.600 your fitrah is in line with Islam.
00:20:25.300 That's why in Islam,
00:20:26.440 we believe every child is born a Muslim.
00:20:27.920 Just another thing.
00:20:30.840 So Mohammed's mother,
00:20:33.380 was she aware of,
00:20:35.560 because I believe you said,
00:20:36.960 those who haven't heard the message,
00:20:38.700 and if they reject the message,
00:20:40.700 and they heard it,
00:20:41.360 then they have the possibility of going to hellfire.
00:20:44.120 Yes, we believe that.
00:20:45.740 So we're saying,
00:20:46.340 if they have entered the fire,
00:20:48.220 that means the khuja is being established on them,
00:20:51.160 that the judgment is being established on them.
00:20:53.460 Now between Jesus and Prophet Muhammad,
00:20:55.560 peace upon him,
00:20:56.200 that gap,
00:20:57.320 they talk about those people,
00:20:58.740 for example,
00:20:59.180 who did not hear the message.
00:21:00.880 God, in Islam,
00:21:02.140 we do not believe in a God that is full of wrath.
00:21:04.740 God's mercy outweighs his anger.
00:21:06.040 So what that means is,
00:21:07.540 anyone that hasn't truly heard the message of Islam,
00:21:09.860 mentally unstable,
00:21:10.820 and who hasn't reached the age of puberty,
00:21:15.320 these people will be trusted on the day of judgment,
00:21:17.740 because it's unfair to throw them in hellfire.
00:21:20.160 Do me a favor.
00:21:21.040 Why don't you internally,
00:21:22.500 let's internally pray to God,
00:21:25.400 to God,
00:21:25.840 and say that,
00:21:28.100 I will personally say,
00:21:29.100 oh Allah,
00:21:29.420 give you a sign through the Quran.
00:21:32.100 Open a random verse.
00:21:33.720 Let's read it.
00:21:34.340 But internally,
00:21:34.880 just make a prayer and say,
00:21:35.920 look God,
00:21:36.420 if this is the truth,
00:21:37.920 if this book is genuinely the truth,
00:21:39.900 show me a sign.
00:21:40.820 You know,
00:21:41.500 maybe internally do that,
00:21:42.460 and then open a random verse of the Quran,
00:21:44.740 we can,
00:21:45.240 if we want to know that.
00:21:46.080 Yeah, thank you.
00:21:46.740 Yeah, I'll do it.
00:21:53.240 Can I do this?
00:21:54.820 Oh, cool.
00:21:57.100 Huh?
00:21:57.320 Just ask him to make du'a,
00:22:11.240 pray,
00:22:11.460 and open the Quran.
00:22:12.700 Just ask for guidance,
00:22:17.580 and just open it,
00:22:18.240 and just see what Allah has done.
00:22:20.040 Yeah.
00:22:20.580 Yeah.
00:22:21.120 It is powerful,
00:22:21.780 so from the beginning,
00:22:23.440 I'm going to read from the beginning to verse 7.
00:22:24.840 Okay,
00:22:25.040 so it's a bit of context.
00:22:25.640 Okay.
00:22:26.240 The revelation of the book is from God,
00:22:28.180 and exalted in might,
00:22:29.560 and the wise.
00:22:30.660 We did not create the heavens and the earth,
00:22:32.980 and what is between them except in truth,
00:22:35.760 for a specified term.
00:22:37.140 But those who disbelieve,
00:22:39.300 from that of which they are warned,
00:22:43.560 are turning away.
00:22:44.700 Say,
00:22:44.940 Oh, Muhammad,
00:22:45.660 have you considered that which you invoke besides God?
00:22:50.820 Show me what they have created on earth.
00:22:53.760 Yeah?
00:22:54.120 Which is very powerful,
00:22:54.920 because it's saying that,
00:22:56.780 you're talking about anybody like that.
00:22:58.400 Those gods that you're associating,
00:23:00.200 tell us what they have created.
00:23:01.360 For example,
00:23:01.820 Jesus.
00:23:02.600 What did Jesus create by himself?
00:23:06.060 Without God's power.
00:23:08.620 Did Jesus ever create anything?
00:23:11.260 Like,
00:23:11.580 did he,
00:23:11.940 did he create anything from himself?
00:23:16.860 No.
00:23:17.660 Yeah?
00:23:19.660 Sorry,
00:23:20.240 show me what they have created on earth.
00:23:24.160 If you should be truthful.
00:23:26.040 And who is more astray,
00:23:27.760 and who is more astray than the one who invokes besides God?
00:23:31.820 Those who do not respond to him until the day of resurrection.
00:23:35.140 And when the people are gathered that day,
00:23:37.820 the day of judgment,
00:23:38.760 those who are involved will be enemies to them.
00:23:41.800 Wow,
00:23:42.060 this one is deep.
00:23:42.880 Yeah?
00:23:43.120 This one here is deep.
00:23:44.320 You know why?
00:23:45.420 It says,
00:23:46.300 on the day of judgment,
00:23:47.260 when the people are gathered,
00:23:49.540 on the day of judgment,
00:23:50.240 we're all going to be gathered.
00:23:50.920 Yep.
00:23:51.580 They who were involved will be enemies to them.
00:23:54.660 They will be deniers of their worship.
00:23:57.400 And the verse you said,
00:23:58.600 because,
00:23:59.020 and who,
00:24:00.140 and when our verses are recited to them,
00:24:02.360 as clear evidences,
00:24:03.840 those who disbelieve,
00:24:05.020 say,
00:24:05.580 of the truth,
00:24:06.240 when it came to them,
00:24:07.180 this is clear magic.
00:24:08.400 So,
00:24:08.860 when he was talking about father,
00:24:10.720 like,
00:24:10.860 you know when he was talking about,
00:24:11.500 for example,
00:24:12.240 when he was talking about,
00:24:13.860 for example,
00:24:15.060 thank you,
00:24:16.060 your father,
00:24:16.800 yeah,
00:24:17.060 or,
00:24:17.980 I mean,
00:24:18.380 family.
00:24:18.940 Yeah.
00:24:19.060 Allah is saying,
00:24:19.800 on that day,
00:24:20.600 when we are gathered,
00:24:21.820 they are going to become enemies to one another.
00:24:23.380 Why?
00:24:23.620 Because they're going to say,
00:24:24.040 hold on a second,
00:24:24.820 you told me to worship Jesus,
00:24:26.280 or you told me to worship this,
00:24:28.060 or you told me to worship that.
00:24:29.520 That,
00:24:29.800 that is what I was saying,
00:24:30.680 subhanAllah.
00:24:31.480 And the disbelievers,
00:24:32.300 and Allah says that,
00:24:32.940 that the Quran is a clear evidence.
00:24:35.200 The Quran itself is a miracle.
00:24:37.360 For example,
00:24:37.860 when you talk about,
00:24:38.700 Jesus' miracles,
00:24:40.000 et cetera,
00:24:40.400 yeah,
00:24:41.000 when you talk about the miracles of Jesus,
00:24:42.660 we cannot really verify it.
00:24:44.480 You cannot come.
00:24:45.100 If I said,
00:24:45.400 you prove to me,
00:24:46.100 Jesus did this miracle.
00:24:47.560 You can't.
00:24:47.920 But with the Quran,
00:24:49.680 this is something you can verify and test yourself.
00:24:52.420 Because there are miracles in the Quran.
00:24:55.000 But yeah,
00:24:55.400 that's always all I have to say.
00:24:57.220 If you have any questions.