Ali Dawah - December 06, 2025ARROGANT ATHEISTS GETS WRECKED - EMBRACING END
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Summary
Jummah Kutbahayah, a muslim atheist? Why does he not believe in God ? What does he think about evolution and the theory of evolution? What is the point of evolution if there is no God? And why does he believe that God exists?
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over and over again you're gonna get us clip you can't answer that's already done that's already
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finished listen i'll be honest this you guys have to be the most irrational people i've
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thought in my life can something come from nothing yes and that's why i would say yes
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prove it okay prove that if you prove it if you prove it i'm gonna become an atheist
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assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi barakatuh i'm so happy to be able to talk to you today
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and mashallah my brother our sheikh ali hamuda is doing a great job waqf forever is a very very
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beautiful cause because the reward of what you give is not just at the moment of giving but rather
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it is prolonged for a very very long time and it lasts for as long as that waqf continues to generate
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to generate some form of benefit so i highly recommend waqf forever as an ambassador of
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abdullah aid i know the the partnership that we have is amazing and not many people understand the
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concept of waqf yet the reward is far greater through the waqf so inshallah if you can support
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waqf forever it will be really really amazing and very very rewarding
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is that your actual name or is it like my my actual name my actual name is muhammad cubed
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are you are you muslim yes yes my actual name is ralph are you muslim no i'm not what's your
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religion ralph no your religion oh no no religion you don't have a religion atheist atheist okay i can
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prove god exists in two minutes you can prove it or i can prove it i can prove i would love to
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okay what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna can i can i use your gloves as an example of course do you
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mind if i take them off no it's okay keep going all right turn it around okay do you agree that your
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the your gloves have a specific shape i'd agree with that okay do you agree that it has specific
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pattern on the inside yeah okay good does it have a purpose a purpose yes what's the purpose keep my
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hands warm okay good does it have a designer yes okay good would you say yeah design i mean
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someone that made it yeah someone okay good is your heart more complex in design or your gloves my
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heart okay good more complex your heart is more complex yes good so if this has a purpose if this
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has a pattern if this has a shape and it has a designer if your heart is more complex rationally
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logically follows that someone created your heart does that rationally follow what's this okay wait
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this isn't aquinas this is thomas paley's watchmaker theory yeah yeah i won't talk until until i'm
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until i'm offered to talk no no no no so yeah so so so rationologically does that follow does it follow
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i don't know if it does follow because the main the main argument against this is that obviously yes the
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heart is way more and the whole design of nature is a lot more complex than this glove obviously this glove
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has a designer made it for a purpose good so what's the purpose of your heart exactly the purpose of
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my heart is to keep me alive okay good the purpose of nature can i say that who made your heart the
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way it is so it gives you life evolution what do you mean by evolution is evolution is not a blind fear
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we're both in the interview i want him to him to judge before we get just one second please
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because you're a muslim so when you say evolution evolution is not a blind process evolution evolution
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so it is a blind process it is a blind process but the thing with evolution is that it came across so
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much time the point of evolution is that with that much time that all the random chances they kind of
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no it doesn't make sense so what you're doing is you're saying that if you give it okay let me
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let me let my brother go okay what you're using right now is a classic gtc argument the watchmaker
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and the creator yeah if something so complex was made it must write a creator and that's the default
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argument you can use that for anything yeah but exactly i'm going to use your logic get yours
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if you're saying that something so complex was created then what creates that creator and exactly that
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it goes back and back and then and then and then no okay please i promise i'll shut up in two
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seconds the go-to argument after that is that god is so defiant and so naturally great that he
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doesn't need a creator he defies the laws of physics and that right there is a complete void of your
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argument that's not that's not my argument okay then i apologize perfect so let's so let's go back to
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the basics okay firstly number one i believe that god almighty is necessary and he's independent so i'll use
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the argument from contingency yes firstly the example that i gave you is an evidence that god exists
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but i'll move to uh away i'll add an argument on top of that number one do you accept that there
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are okay there are three tapes types of existence an impossible existence a possible existence and a
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necessary existence yes so i'll give you examples of that i guess i'll accept that but i don't know
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i'll give you examples number one an impossible existence is like a triangle square or a married
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bachelor can't be possible good so so it's an impossible existence it doesn't exist i'm honestly willing to
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learn here so we have two types of existence possible existence and necessary existence yes
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possible existence is something that depends on something else for his existence
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correct clear a a possible existence is something that depends on something else for his existence
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like a ball moving from someone kicking it yes me me i depend on something you depend on something
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you depend on your mother and father creating you no no they are my cause but i don't depend on them to
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survive they cause me but i don't depend on them your existence i know no no i'm not even trying
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to get deep but but but i don't depend on them yeah you're saying yeah but i'm saying when we're
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talking about your examples right now we're talking about you they've created you they cause me yeah
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but i don't depend on them you don't depend on them yeah my my regardless of dependence but like
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my argument is on dependency not causality so well yeah that's what it is but your life is dependent on
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them yes no no no right now because your life having no created i don't want to be the initial
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the initial the initial my my my my initial creation is from them but i can be adopted by
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other people yes thank you good you but let's just clarify this they still were dependent for your
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existence yes initially but initially yeah yeah yeah going forward not okay so do you agree that our
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planet earth is dependent yes yes okay good now is our universe dependent or independent
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uh i don't have enough knowledge about this but i would say i would say from the best of my knowledge
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which is limited it's independent as in the universe is the universe is independent did you say
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yeah but that's okay okay good so when you say the universe is independent you agree that we need
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that independent being you just ascribed it to the universe no i don't agree that we need an
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independent being why do we say the universe is independent i i believe that we can exist like
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uh spontaneously i don't think we need an independent being no one second you said the universe is
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independent yes so we require sorry if you're saying god is the independent being why can't the
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universe be the independent good good good before we come to that you said the universe is independent
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so you agree that we what did i say there's two kinds of existence dependent dependent independent so good
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Let's get back to the logical rational argument
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You acknowledge that we require something independent
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That shows that the universe has to be dependent
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Does it depend on something that is also dependent
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Because you are still transacting the 10 pounds from me
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Can anything that can be any other way is dependent
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You don't answer a question with another question
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cannot come from nothing, that means the universe was created by something, correct?
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Where did that something come from? I repeat, good, perfect. Now, the universe began to exist.
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It didn't come from nothing. We have four possibilities. It either came from nothing,
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hear me out, the universe, the big bang, yeah? Okay, good. There's four possibilities.
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The universe came from nothing. The universe popped by chance. The universe was created by
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something that is created, or the universe was created by something that is uncreated.
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Do you accept those four clauses? No, because, okay, first, exactly what I was going to say,
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first two were the same. If it was created by chance or it was created by nothing,
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either way there was nothing. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I repeat again,
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either the universe came from nothing, either the universe was infinite, always there,
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either the universe was created by something else that is created, or the universe was created by
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something uncreated. Okay, so it's three. Four, four. So, let's go one by one.
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I didn't hear that again. He's saying, he's saying, universe created from nothing,
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universe was always there. What is there? Universe created by something that was created,
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universe that was created by something uncreated. Okay, perfect, perfect.
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First one. Now, the first one. Can the universe come from nothing?
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What's your definition of nothing? Absence of something. Absence of something.
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Okay, so absolutely, like genuinely nothing. No, no.
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Yes. Then, well, this is separate. We're not the same people. We have different arguments.
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When you talk about absolutely nothing. My friend, it's such an easy answer, man.
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Okay, okay, please. Let's not be disrespectful here.
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I'm not being disrespectful. We have a crowd of 40 something plus people.
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My friend, who cares about the crowd? Look, look, brother, brother,
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I'm not here for these people. I don't give a damn about what they think.
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When you're talking about nothing. I'm here for the truth.
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Okay, created by nothing. Can something come from nothing?
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If you prove it, I'm going to become an atheist. Prove option four.
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Look, look, we're going to go from them one by one. He's jumping.
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My friend. The first one is, can it come from nothing?
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Can, look, look. You said it can come from something.
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I said it can come from nothing. Prove God comes from nothing.
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And then, as soon as you answer that, I'll get on my knees and praise you a lot.
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My brother, you've been talking about infinite regression, yes?
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The infinite regression. Have you been talking about that, yes or no?
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Yeah. Okay, so if you keep infinitely regressing, I could say...
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So you're saying the universe came from something.
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If you keep infinitely regressing, where did that came from?
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I've just turned your whole argument against you.
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You know what's the fallacy of infinite regression?
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So, do you agree something can come from nothing?
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In your opinion, where did the universe come from?
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I had four options. We're going through them one by one.
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Look, look, the first one is that it came from nothing.
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You're asking silly questions that you can't answer yourself.
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My friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend.
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My friend, that's the reason why I gave you four options.
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I'm saying I can't answer where the universe came from.
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Well, I, I tell you, I swear to God, if I stop the five-year-old, they'll say no.
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You're trying to maybe stop someone and ask an irrational question.
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The whole point of the argument is an irrational question.
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I'm going to stop somebody and we're going to ask them something so simple.
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If they have rationality and logic, they'll say, no, it's simple.
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And then I'm going to ask them where God came from.
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This whole time you've been avoiding my one of the time who's breaked your whole life.
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My friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend,
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Can you prove that something comes from nothing?
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You believe something can come from nothing, yeah?
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Tell me what is one thing that came from nothing.
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My friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, how do you feel?
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My friend, my friend, my friend, be quiet and let the man answer.
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Every time I speak, it comes from basically nothing, right?
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So it doesn't come from your tongue and you're talking, your vocal cords.
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My brother, you're changing and changing the question to embarrass these people
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Like zero plus zero plus zero could ever make one?
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Can, do you think something can come from nothing?
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I want to know what you're trying to correlate to.
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But you're going to use his answer in the context of a completely different question.
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In the absolute of nothingness, can you get something?
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Yeah, so that's where you're trying to get from.
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It either was created by something else that's created, or it was created by something uncreated.
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I would say it's infinite, but it was something there.
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Either it was created by something created, or it was created by something uncreated.