Ali Dawah - April 20, 2025


ATHEISM IS OFFICIALLY OVER!! - MUSLIMS REACT


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Jummah Kutbahayah Saboor talks about his recent debate with evolutionary biologist Prof. Dave Farina and his views on evolution. Do you agree or disagree with them? Do you think it's possible for evolution to be wrong?

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00:00:00.000 Do you deny physiology can guide evolution?
00:00:02.720 No, I suppose not.
00:00:04.380 That's good.
00:00:04.880 That means you're going against neo-Darwinism
00:00:07.000 because neo-Darwinism says
00:00:08.120 you cannot have physiology guiding evolution.
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00:00:31.060 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,
00:00:32.560 brothers and sisters and dear friends.
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00:00:34.540 Saboor recently had a debate with a professor.
00:00:37.880 Professor, what's your name?
00:00:39.380 Dave Farina.
00:00:40.640 Yes, I don't think he's a professor.
00:00:42.080 No, no, he's not.
00:00:43.120 What is he?
00:00:44.300 He's an irrelevant person.
00:00:46.660 He's a boy.
00:00:47.300 Yeah, he's somebody who, let's just say,
00:00:50.640 I invited him to speaker's corner.
00:00:52.820 He's the sole person you need to bring there.
00:00:54.720 You need to bring him there, rinse him,
00:00:56.600 take him to the cleaners, take him to the deep waters, 0.99
00:00:59.340 make him discover himself.
00:01:00.620 That's the idea.
00:01:01.380 He drowned in those deep waters.
00:01:02.820 He didn't come to the UK.
00:01:04.120 He didn't turn up at the debate.
00:01:05.360 I paid for him to come down.
00:01:07.040 It was actually funded by another brother,
00:01:09.900 two brothers actually,
00:01:10.960 and he never came down. 1.00
00:01:12.120 He was a coward. 0.99
00:01:12.980 And then we did an online debate instead. 0.98
00:01:15.060 So that debate has been going around everywhere now.
00:01:18.120 What's his name?
00:01:18.740 What's his name?
00:01:19.020 I don't know nothing about him.
00:01:19.980 Yeah, so he's basically someone who,
00:01:22.300 I showed you,
00:01:23.220 he's got three something million subscribers.
00:01:25.700 Yeah, what was his name?
00:01:27.360 Dave Farina, he makes educational videos.
00:01:29.360 So like for teenagers,
00:01:30.560 for university, college students,
00:01:32.280 you know, how to pass exams,
00:01:33.680 you know, go over this, this, this,
00:01:34.780 all the basic stuff, right?
00:01:37.200 You know, that just generic content,
00:01:39.900 which no one disagrees with, basic education.
00:01:41.840 Then in between,
00:01:42.800 he starts making refutation videos.
00:01:44.480 So he made a video against me and Muslim Lantern.
00:01:46.440 I challenged him to a debate,
00:01:47.520 challenged him to three debates.
00:01:48.600 He only accepted one.
00:01:50.140 And that one we did just this weekend.
00:01:52.480 Okay, fantastic.
00:01:53.800 Well, okay, let's see how that went.
00:01:55.920 Let's see how the professor done.
00:01:57.280 Let's see.
00:01:58.640 Do you deny physiology can guide evolution?
00:02:05.280 No, I suppose not.
00:02:07.680 Okay, that's good.
00:02:08.760 Because that means you're,
00:02:10.100 you're going against neo-Darwinism
00:02:11.360 because neo-Darwinism says
00:02:12.480 you cannot have physiology guiding evolution.
00:02:14.500 Well, I didn't,
00:02:18.840 neo-Darwinism is not the current paradigm of evolution.
00:02:21.600 And that's going to be a very nice short,
00:02:23.380 by the way.
00:02:24.580 Look at his facial expression.
00:02:26.380 Bro. 0.97
00:02:27.040 He looks arrogant as well.
00:02:28.180 He looks, 0.93
00:02:28.420 he looks a bit like Apos.
00:02:30.240 Ooh, bro.
00:02:31.760 But, but, but, but,
00:02:32.980 he's, he's apos.
00:02:34.700 Nothing can look like Apos. 0.76
00:02:36.280 But yeah, this guy is,
00:02:37.460 yeah.
00:02:38.300 He's a particular creature.
00:02:39.580 But do you know what?
00:02:40.460 During the debate,
00:02:41.080 he was domesticated.
00:02:42.180 He said,
00:02:42.940 because we've been studying this
00:02:44.240 with Dennis Noble
00:02:45.120 and Comrade Waddington.
00:02:47.300 Yeah, yeah.
00:02:47.660 The rest.
00:02:48.460 So, they say that,
00:02:50.640 what is it, physiology?
00:02:52.260 Physiology can,
00:02:53.240 can, can change
00:02:54.400 the,
00:02:55.240 the direction of evolution.
00:02:56.960 It can change the genome.
00:02:58.080 And that is the total opposite of
00:02:59.200 neo-Darwinism.
00:03:00.580 Yeah, of course.
00:03:01.300 Exactly.
00:03:01.620 And he admits,
00:03:02.140 and he accepts,
00:03:02.780 he goes,
00:03:03.620 yeah, he's open to that.
00:03:04.920 So, how can,
00:03:05.720 like, he didn't,
00:03:06.260 he didn't understand
00:03:06.960 it was a trap question.
00:03:07.820 Yeah.
00:03:08.080 Right?
00:03:08.380 If you're admitting to the idea
00:03:10.060 that physiology can guide evolution,
00:03:13.080 that means neo-Darwinism is dead.
00:03:14.460 Yeah, it's like saying to a Christian, 0.96
00:03:15.540 you know,
00:03:15.900 do you accept that
00:03:16.700 there's a possibility
00:03:17.620 that the one truth of God
00:03:19.220 is the Father?
00:03:20.400 And he goes, yeah.
00:03:21.020 Do you deny the idea that,
00:03:22.820 is it possible for you
00:03:24.820 that the Holy Ghost didn't exist?
00:03:26.500 Yeah.
00:03:26.720 Yeah, it's possible.
00:03:27.300 Okay, then there's no trinity.
00:03:28.460 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:28.840 Something like this.
00:03:29.740 Now, it's interesting,
00:03:30.660 we've been studying Dennis Noble,
00:03:31.980 you've been using his arguments,
00:03:32.940 so have I heard those.
00:03:34.380 And, you know,
00:03:34.720 even though he's not
00:03:35.700 a religious person,
00:03:36.860 you know,
00:03:37.140 he's a secular academic,
00:03:38.220 you know,
00:03:38.940 he is somebody
00:03:40.020 who has no credentials,
00:03:41.340 no PhD,
00:03:41.980 no peer-reviewed academic papers,
00:03:44.300 yet he calls Dennis Noble 0.96
00:03:45.800 a complete clown. 0.99
00:03:46.860 The only clown here is him. 0.99
00:03:48.160 Yeah. 0.97
00:03:48.720 And I asked him
00:03:50.060 for the evidence.
00:03:51.140 He didn't have a single piece of evidence. 1.00
00:03:52.480 He's a clown. 0.99
00:03:53.660 Well, let's see some more. 0.99
00:03:55.100 The standard idea
00:03:57.820 of the modern synthesis,
00:03:59.960 which in 1976
00:04:01.100 was really popularized
00:04:03.100 by the Selfish Gene book.
00:04:05.140 Now, it goes back
00:04:06.040 to between the 1920s to 50s.
00:04:08.740 You thought it was the 1990s,
00:04:10.140 which it started.
00:04:10.580 I said that off the cuff,
00:04:11.580 if I even did say that,
00:04:12.860 off the cuff in a reaction video.
00:04:14.380 It's not like I did a piece on it.
00:04:15.560 You said it off the cuff?
00:04:16.360 Yeah, you were referencing
00:04:17.140 the reaction video
00:04:18.040 where I made fun of you
00:04:19.000 and asked this specific point
00:04:21.640 and focused on...
00:04:22.920 Okay, were you wrong about that?
00:04:24.620 I don't even think I said it.
00:04:25.880 This is hard for people to believe.
00:04:27.320 Like, what on earth
00:04:28.100 is an anti-Darwinian evolutionist?
00:04:30.240 Anyway, in that video,
00:04:31.560 what we do is
00:04:32.080 we put in the clip
00:04:33.000 where he does actually say it.
00:04:35.120 Yeah.
00:04:35.480 Right?
00:04:35.740 He says,
00:04:36.620 neo-Darwinism came together
00:04:38.040 in the 1920s
00:04:38.820 and the other modern centers
00:04:40.080 came 70 years later.
00:04:41.420 That equivalently,
00:04:42.540 and I said this in the debate,
00:04:43.660 is like someone saying
00:04:44.640 World War I took place
00:04:46.420 in the 1960s.
00:04:48.980 Everybody knows
00:04:49.880 that makes no sense
00:04:50.680 because you're basically saying
00:04:52.460 JFK was killed
00:04:54.200 at the same time
00:04:55.020 that Hitler was in the trenches.
00:04:56.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:56.560 It makes no sense, right?
00:04:57.860 Historically.
00:04:58.520 Yeah.
00:04:58.840 Let's check out.
00:04:59.180 For physiology to guide evolution,
00:05:00.800 it would have to change the DNA.
00:05:02.500 What?
00:05:02.960 Say that again?
00:05:03.840 For physiology to guide evolution,
00:05:05.780 it would have to change the DNA.
00:05:07.020 In embryonic development,
00:05:07.960 it's the genes
00:05:08.620 that are determining the form.
00:05:09.740 You're talking about
00:05:10.320 mind and body, right?
00:05:11.480 It's forming the organism, right?
00:05:13.560 Okay, have you heard
00:05:14.380 of somatic hypermutation?
00:05:16.360 What about it?
00:05:17.840 No, no.
00:05:18.200 Firstly, have you heard of it?
00:05:20.840 Yes, I've heard of it.
00:05:21.780 I don't recall
00:05:22.400 the exact definition.
00:05:23.380 Can you explain it to me
00:05:24.720 before I explain it to you
00:05:26.380 and educate you for free again?
00:05:28.840 In B cells in the immune system.
00:05:30.720 And then I just,
00:05:31.280 I just go on and explain.
00:05:32.840 I did this throughout the debate.
00:05:34.700 I was like,
00:05:34.860 do you know this?
00:05:35.480 Bro, his reaction,
00:05:36.640 you know,
00:05:36.880 that's why it's very important
00:05:37.640 to ask questions.
00:05:38.860 Bro, his reactions,
00:05:39.780 bro, he acts so cocky.
00:05:41.700 Some of the videos
00:05:42.120 that I've seen,
00:05:42.900 he acts so cocky.
00:05:43.860 And bro, one question,
00:05:45.480 literally,
00:05:46.180 the moment when he's like,
00:05:47.520 oh, okay,
00:05:48.120 he knows he doesn't know.
00:05:49.460 Yeah.
00:05:49.800 He knows he doesn't know.
00:05:50.700 He don't know nothing.
00:05:51.100 It's going to happen again. 0.99
00:05:51.820 We're a clown. 0.99
00:05:52.300 We're a clown, yeah. 0.98
00:05:53.360 Noble is an Oxford professor, 0.93
00:05:54.860 which is something prestigious,
00:05:56.360 something that Farina
00:05:57.420 can never be.
00:05:58.100 Maybe that's why
00:05:58.620 he's attacking him.
00:05:59.080 He's not an evolutionary biologist,
00:06:00.480 though.
00:06:00.920 He is an evolutionary biologist.
00:06:02.180 No, he isn't.
00:06:03.200 You can Google it.
00:06:06.400 Let's Google it.
00:06:08.580 Is Dennis an evolutionary biologist?
00:06:14.280 It's kind of shocking
00:06:15.440 that you didn't know that.
00:06:16.460 Oh, my God.
00:06:17.740 Are you aware
00:06:18.720 of the distinction
00:06:20.540 between reductive biology
00:06:22.340 and integrative biology
00:06:24.240 or holistic biology?
00:06:25.500 Are you aware
00:06:26.100 of the distinction
00:06:26.640 between the two?
00:06:27.480 I am not aware
00:06:28.280 of these terms
00:06:29.720 that you're using now.
00:06:31.520 Go ahead.
00:06:32.540 Okay.
00:06:33.560 So reductive biology
00:06:35.480 is this idea
00:06:36.160 that you break everything
00:06:37.080 down to the genetic level.
00:06:38.180 We did then.
00:06:38.780 And you go on.
00:06:39.620 Okay.
00:06:40.340 That's the standard
00:06:41.380 gene-centric perspective.
00:06:43.580 Dennis Noble,
00:06:44.640 Ray Noble,
00:06:45.580 James Shapiro,
00:06:46.720 Scott Turner,
00:06:47.740 all of these people
00:06:49.040 from the third way,
00:06:50.100 they believe
00:06:50.820 in the holistic perspective.
00:06:52.600 They believe
00:06:53.200 that you simply
00:06:54.000 don't break everything down
00:06:55.380 to the genetic level.
00:06:56.880 You can actually have
00:06:58.360 a holistic understanding
00:06:59.960 in which there is
00:07:01.380 no privileged level
00:07:02.780 of causality.
00:07:04.060 He gets angry here.
00:07:04.600 Okay.
00:07:05.000 So you can't,
00:07:05.800 you cannot say
00:07:06.540 genes are working
00:07:08.040 at a privileged level.
00:07:09.660 Now, Sidney Brenner,
00:07:10.880 and he's a normal-
00:07:11.340 What is a privileged level?
00:07:12.060 What does that mean?
00:07:12.880 Don't lecture me.
00:07:13.780 We're talking here.
00:07:14.860 No, I'm educating you.
00:07:16.560 Are you aware
00:07:17.400 epigenetics
00:07:19.020 leading to genetic assimilation?
00:07:21.560 And one of the causes
00:07:22.520 of that
00:07:23.060 is extracellular vesicles.
00:07:25.060 Now, genetic assimilation 0.96
00:07:26.300 is the final point
00:07:28.240 which Dennis Noble uses
00:07:29.860 to show that
00:07:31.120 physiology guides evolution.
00:07:33.300 That is the argument
00:07:34.300 that he actually makes.
00:07:35.620 And in fact,
00:07:36.400 he's published a paper
00:07:37.420 on physiology
00:07:38.500 guiding evolution
00:07:39.540 and also the physiology
00:07:40.880 of evolution.
00:07:41.800 So I'm not sure
00:07:42.280 why you keep saying
00:07:43.040 he's not an evolutionary biologist.
00:07:44.940 Which one's not?
00:07:45.680 Dennis Noble?
00:07:46.260 Because he's not.
00:07:47.380 What are you not
00:07:48.220 understanding about that?
00:07:49.520 I think the basic issue here
00:07:51.220 is you have confused
00:07:52.600 an assertion
00:07:53.500 for an argument.
00:07:54.420 You just keep stating
00:07:55.400 but you don't give
00:07:56.520 a shred of evidence
00:07:57.440 why he's not a biologist.
00:07:59.280 Epigenetics.
00:08:00.520 Universal Common Ancestry
00:08:01.640 was an idea
00:08:02.260 that goes back
00:08:03.000 hundreds of years,
00:08:03.840 well over a thousand years.
00:08:05.500 So Darwinian evolution
00:08:07.020 to believe in the mechanism
00:08:09.320 of natural selection
00:08:10.220 and random mutations
00:08:11.100 creating mind and body
00:08:12.600 has nothing to do
00:08:14.120 with the history of life.
00:08:15.220 You could believe
00:08:15.980 in the bush of life
00:08:16.660 you could believe
00:08:17.140 in the net of life
00:08:17.800 you could believe
00:08:18.180 in the tree of life
00:08:18.880 it doesn't actually matter.
00:08:20.540 That's why we get
00:08:21.400 other evidence.
00:08:22.640 It is not a necessary
00:08:23.800 and sufficient condition
00:08:24.960 to believe in Common Ancestry
00:08:26.180 therefore Darwinian evolution
00:08:27.420 is true.
00:08:28.180 This is a non-sequitur fallacy.
00:08:30.480 That's why we get
00:08:31.060 other evidence.
00:08:31.880 You're not understanding
00:08:32.820 my point.
00:08:33.560 You can believe
00:08:34.260 in Common Ancestry
00:08:35.200 and reject Darwinism.
00:08:36.640 Do you agree with that point?
00:08:37.460 Yeah, you can reject
00:08:38.400 certain mechanisms.
00:08:39.460 Again and again
00:08:40.160 he's just being educated.
00:08:41.520 Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:42.280 I mean
00:08:43.060 doesn't this show you
00:08:44.320 that atheism
00:08:46.180 is on its way out?
00:08:47.860 Absolutely
00:08:48.300 and I think a lot of people
00:08:49.440 are actually turning
00:08:50.200 towards religions
00:08:51.500 of some sort
00:08:52.120 new age spirituality
00:08:53.140 and all sorts of stuff.
00:08:55.580 Islam's on the rise 1.00
00:08:56.600 and even people
00:08:57.840 who say they're atheists
00:08:58.840 they still say
00:08:59.320 I believe in some
00:09:00.100 higher power.
00:09:01.580 You know that guy
00:09:02.980 that you
00:09:04.060 the Minecraft guy
00:09:05.360 that you bumped into
00:09:06.060 he is the embodiment
00:09:08.040 of the western psyche
00:09:10.240 currently
00:09:10.820 which is
00:09:11.420 atheism's dead
00:09:13.100 let me just paint myself
00:09:14.820 as a Minecraft character
00:09:15.880 and walk around
00:09:16.420 central London
00:09:17.020 do you believe in God?
00:09:18.700 This, that.
00:09:19.380 That's all it is
00:09:19.980 and genuinely
00:09:20.980 I felt in the conversation
00:09:22.320 he was giving you
00:09:23.680 the standard narrative
00:09:24.620 randomness
00:09:25.360 this, this, this, this
00:09:26.220 and these guys
00:09:27.700 they don't realise
00:09:28.640 they've lost a generation
00:09:29.680 people don't believe
00:09:30.420 in them anymore.
00:09:30.980 Nope, they're on their way out
00:09:32.120 and this guy's a fine example
00:09:33.240 of that.
00:09:33.600 He personally has no idea
00:09:34.740 what the flippant
00:09:35.160 is talking about.
00:09:35.780 You can see his expressions
00:09:36.720 he got schooled
00:09:37.920 he got educated 0.99
00:09:38.460 he's the one that's a clown 0.99
00:09:39.320 to be honest 0.99
00:09:39.760 you know
00:09:40.540 and yeah I mean
00:09:41.740 it's fantastic
00:09:42.620 it's to see the end of them
00:09:44.100 subhanAllah
00:09:44.560 they came with this hype
00:09:45.760 and subhanAllah
00:09:46.400 it's on its way out
00:09:47.480 and people are turning back
00:09:48.500 to religion yes
00:09:49.020 and Islam is on the rise 0.99
00:09:50.060 and yes
00:09:51.200 hope this is a lesson to him
00:09:52.160 you know
00:09:52.720 and Islam is always 1.00
00:09:53.600 there for him
00:09:54.240 if he wants to accept Islam
00:09:55.160 you know
00:09:55.840 and yeah I mean
00:09:57.240 yeah
00:09:57.760 I mean overall
00:09:59.080 people like this
00:10:00.280 they should stop pretending
00:10:01.840 to be so brave
00:10:03.060 and cocky
00:10:04.460 you saw the other videos
00:10:05.880 that I was showing you
00:10:06.540 of the guy
00:10:06.900 like how is he talking
00:10:08.000 and this and that
00:10:08.720 and here
00:10:09.600 look at his facial expressions
00:10:10.860 you can just tell
00:10:11.560 we look
00:10:12.580 we've dealed with these people
00:10:13.920 in Speakers Corner
00:10:14.540 we've been going there
00:10:15.400 for over 10 years
00:10:16.140 we can tell when someone's
00:10:17.820 lost it
00:10:18.400 you can tell the body language
00:10:19.340 that's one of the first
00:10:20.520 feedbacks I got
00:10:21.200 that the guy
00:10:21.580 body language wise
00:10:22.680 yeah it reminds me of
00:10:23.580 Cosmic Sceptive
00:10:25.360 destroying David Wood
00:10:26.040 like it's like that
00:10:27.540 he's absolutely
00:10:27.940 yeah yeah
00:10:28.580 you get that
00:10:29.500 you get that
00:10:29.980 yeah exactly
00:10:30.520 and he has the audacity 0.51
00:10:32.740 to call academics
00:10:33.640 like Dennis Noble
00:10:34.480 James Shapiro 0.95
00:10:35.160 and others clown 0.99
00:10:35.880 he's a clown bro 1.00
00:10:36.640 this guy's a clown 1.00
00:10:37.360 yeah 1.00
00:10:37.760 you can say it
00:10:38.900 I mean yeah
00:10:39.380 I hope you guys enjoyed
00:10:40.000 that from Sista
00:10:40.520 inshaAllah
00:10:40.940 yeah until next time
00:10:42.600 Assalamualaikum
00:10:43.300 The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said
00:10:46.280 whoever builds a masjid 0.85
00:10:47.880 for the sake of Allah
00:10:48.600 Allah will build for him 1.00
00:10:51.160 a similar house in Jannah
00:10:52.940 on that day
00:10:54.120 where Allah tells us
00:10:55.740 that our books will be given
00:10:56.960 and every little atom weight
00:10:59.300 of good deed you've done
00:11:00.140 will be there
00:11:00.980 and imagine you see a mountain
00:11:02.960 and you're like
00:11:03.820 what a lucky person
00:11:04.840 which righteous person
00:11:06.400 and Allah says
00:11:07.720 this is for you
00:11:08.480 for me?
00:11:09.520 yes
00:11:09.880 what did I do?
00:11:11.560 you allow people to pray
00:11:13.020 you built a masjid 0.95
00:11:14.060 I never had the money
00:11:14.880 to build a masjid oh Allah 0.99
00:11:15.780 you helped
00:11:17.120 you gave towards it
00:11:18.340 and Allah gives you the reward
00:11:19.480 of as if you've built it
00:11:20.840 donate now guys
00:11:22.140 and do not delay
00:11:22.880 and share the video
00:11:24.100 for extra rewards