Ali Dawah - ATHEIST ENTERS MOSQUE QUESTIONING ISLAM

00:00:00.880 What's the main reason you left Islam? I don't think it's a logical reason though.

00:00:04.560 Why I went for Islam?

00:00:06.000 No, no, why did you leave Islam? Like, what's the main...

00:00:08.320 No, it's not a logical reason. It's not. It was a process of slowly.

00:00:12.160 What was it? There has to be some, because I don't think it's logical.

00:00:15.040 Because we've discussed the logical...

00:00:16.560 No, I still don't believe in free will.

00:00:19.440 I chose... No, I don't choose to believe it, I believe it.

00:00:25.120 But that's not free will, that's determinants.

00:00:27.280 Wait, wait, but...

00:00:28.640 I'm a dependent being, yes? I need food to survive.

00:00:32.080 I'm composed of pieces.

00:00:33.200 No, but what do you mean you need food to survive?

00:00:35.680 Because if you will die...

00:00:36.720 If I don't eat, I'll die.

00:00:37.760 Well, what is you? Your subconscious?

00:00:39.680 No, no, me, I die. No, no, me, I'm talking about flesh.

00:00:41.360 No, but your flesh will evaporate into gas, into...

00:00:44.960 So it never disappears.

00:00:46.000 No, no, no, you're talking about the first level of thermodynamics.

00:00:48.480 Energy cannot be created or destroyed. I'm not talking about it.

00:00:50.240 You're talking about, if I set this on fire, it disappears.

00:00:52.320 No, it didn't disappear, it changed its form.

00:00:53.680 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:54.240 I'm not talking about that.

00:00:54.880 Well, what are you talking about?

00:00:55.520 I'm talking about, even if you go with that,

00:00:57.520 we have a set amount of energy within our universe.

00:00:59.600 Even though this first level of thermodynamics

00:01:01.600 is that energy cannot be created or destroyed,

00:01:03.600 what it does is it still shows us what?

00:01:04.960 That there is a set amount of energy within our universe.

00:01:07.440 Now, if there is a set amount of energy within our universe,

00:01:10.240 why is there a set amount?

00:01:12.080 The set amount shows what?

00:01:13.120 That is dependent.

00:01:13.760 It's dependent.

00:01:14.400 Good.

00:01:14.800 Okay.

00:01:15.200 You're clever, you're smart.

00:01:16.160 So, you're smart, man, come on, man.

00:01:17.440 You can probably, Islam is your religion.

00:01:18.800 Yeah, you're smart, though.

00:01:19.920 You're from intelligent,

00:01:20.560 because not many people...

00:01:21.200 I'm talking about people like,

00:01:22.080 what's he talking about energy?

00:01:22.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:23.280 The only energy...

00:01:23.840 Yeah, if you have a set amount...

00:01:24.800 If you have a finite amount,

00:01:27.680 that means that's dependent.

00:01:29.120 So, that means it's dependent.

00:01:30.240 What we're seeing is,

00:01:31.280 what does the universe and all this energy depend on?

00:01:34.320 It cannot be another thing,

00:01:35.920 because the question that we ask is,

00:01:37.360 if that depends on this,

00:01:39.120 what does this depend on?

00:01:40.160 This depends on that.

00:01:41.120 Then you have the fallacy of infinite regress,

00:01:43.440 meaning there has to be a point that everything stops.

00:01:46.720 Some call it the prime mover.

00:01:47.840 We don't use that, Kalam, yeah?

00:01:49.600 We say there has to be an independent being,

00:01:51.760 logically following,

00:01:52.960 that created everything.

00:01:54.880 Now, from here,

00:01:55.600 I'll prove to you why it's Allah.

00:01:57.040 So then I think it will make more sense to you,

00:01:58.480 even though we have...

00:01:59.360 Let's establish this.

00:02:01.040 Do you agree with this so far?

00:02:02.160 Logically, logically it makes sense.

00:02:03.840 Okay, so I have you in my head,

00:02:05.440 and I have my friend,

00:02:06.320 that makes a lot of good arguments as well,

00:02:07.760 and I'm deciding between two,

00:02:10.080 and the camera is in my face,

00:02:11.200 and it's hard to fully accept in front of camera right now,

00:02:14.080 because it's...

00:02:15.760 But for the sake of the argument,

00:02:16.800 I will accept it.

00:02:17.520 No, no, no, no.

00:02:17.760 That's the thing.

00:02:18.320 No, no, no, no.

00:02:19.280 One second, I want to say something.

00:02:20.800 Yeah.

00:02:21.120 Listen, brother.

00:02:21.680 Yeah.

00:02:22.560 Ignore this camera.

00:02:23.520 Ignore the other audience.

00:02:24.320 It's hard.

00:02:24.720 Yeah, listen.

00:02:25.600 We'll turn it off.

00:02:26.480 If this is the issue, we'll turn it off.

00:02:27.360 No, it's not the issue.

00:02:31.120 Brothers and sisters,

00:02:31.680 it is the winter season in the UK.

00:02:33.120 Today in my house,

00:02:34.080 my boiler broke,

00:02:34.960 and the house was freezing cold.

00:02:36.960 My kids are wearing jackets,

00:02:38.080 I'm trying to find heating,

00:02:39.120 and as a father,

00:02:40.000 I'm trying to make sure my kids,

00:02:41.280 my wife are warm.

00:02:42.640 Imagine people around the world.

00:02:44.000 I'm working with one of my brothers and sisters,

00:02:45.440 a 100% donation policy charity,

00:02:48.080 who are helping Syria,

00:02:49.680 Lebanon, and Afghanistan,

00:02:51.040 people who are freezing to death,

00:02:52.320 intense brothers and sisters.

00:02:53.920 Donate wherever you can,

00:02:54.880 because today's experience with me,

00:02:56.720 showed me subhanallah how vulnerable we are,

00:02:58.720 and just made me remember those people who are in need.

00:03:01.120 Whatever you donate guys,

00:03:02.400 even if it is one pound,

00:03:03.920 help those people in those countries.

00:03:05.520 Shores, today you're going to be short of Islam,

00:03:08.400 inshallah.

00:03:09.760 We will see, we will see.

00:03:10.720 Inshallah, inshallah.

00:03:11.920 By the way, if you are,

00:03:14.080 inshallah, if you are convinced with our answer,

00:03:17.360 if you find the truth,

00:03:18.640 you will accept to be Muslim again, correct?

00:03:20.880 Yes, I've done before,

00:03:21.920 so I think, yeah.

00:03:23.600 Okay, that's what we want.

00:03:24.480 So let's establish this.

00:03:25.760 Not just based on your answer though,

00:03:27.440 because I have multiple reasonings.

00:03:28.960 Not based on your answer,

00:03:29.920 but based on the truth.

00:03:31.120 Yeah, of course.

00:03:31.920 No, no, no, you have more questions to say.

00:03:34.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:03:35.440 Look, we're at your service, yeah?

00:03:37.280 Okay.

00:03:37.840 And I ask Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

00:03:39.120 to open all of our hearts, inshallah,

00:03:42.480 and yourself, inshallah.

00:03:43.360 You see my sister and Baba.

00:03:44.880 And I'm sure, inshallah,

00:03:46.320 even if it's not today,

00:03:47.920 I'm sure, inshallah,

00:03:48.960 wherever we say,

00:03:49.680 hopefully, some benefits to ourselves.

00:03:51.200 We'll learn from you and learn from each other.

00:03:52.880 Do I have a mic?

00:03:54.480 No, you can pick you up.

00:03:55.920 You can hear me a little?

00:03:56.640 Yeah, it's good.

00:03:57.280 All right, so I'll just give you a little introduction, inshallah.

00:03:58.480 Do you call it?

00:03:59.680 All right, salamu alaykum, brothers.

00:04:00.480 We've come to...

00:04:01.680 Are we in Amsterdam?

00:04:03.600 Amstelveen.

00:04:04.400 Is this in Amsterdam?

00:04:05.200 Pretty much Amsterdam.

00:04:06.720 This is Amsterdam.

00:04:07.680 Inside of Amsterdam, there's Amarine.

00:04:09.200 Amarine.

00:04:10.080 Amstelveen.

00:04:10.960 Amstelveen.

00:04:11.920 Amstelveen.

00:04:12.960 How do you say how are you in your language?

00:04:15.280 How do you say how are you in your language?

00:04:17.360 How do you say I'm very good?

00:04:20.960 It's going very good.

00:04:22.560 It's going very good.

00:04:23.280 It's going very good.

00:04:24.080 Hello.

00:04:24.960 Are you saying it's going good or just it's going good?

00:04:27.440 It's going good.

00:04:28.880 How do they say ambulance in German?

00:04:30.960 I don't know.

00:04:33.280 Gantan wagon or something like that.

00:04:35.040 Gantan wagon.

00:04:36.240 It sounds like a janazab.

00:04:37.760 Yeah.

00:04:39.760 Okay, so we've got our brother here.

00:04:42.080 He's keen to...

00:04:42.960 We had a talk here.

00:04:43.760 Alhamdulillah, we're doing the Salah Plus project.

00:04:45.360 We're opening Salah Hubs and we're giving the Salah mats here.

00:04:48.560 We're going to be talking about that.

00:04:51.200 We had this brother who wanted to ask a question and is that your friend?

00:04:55.520 No.

00:04:56.160 No.

00:04:56.800 I have some friends here, but he just noticed.

00:04:59.280 He's going to ask his brother's question.

00:05:00.480 Yeah, he was very sharp.

00:05:01.520 When he said that, we said we better ask the question otherwise we're not going to make

00:05:05.520 it alive today.

00:05:06.560 God bless you.

00:05:07.280 Very important.

00:05:07.920 Alhamdulillah.

00:05:08.640 So, tell us a bit about yourself because you said you was a Muslim.

00:05:12.800 Yes.

00:05:13.600 And then you left Islam.

00:05:15.680 Yes.

00:05:16.160 Tell us.

00:05:16.640 Yes.

00:05:17.520 So, during Corona, I think a little bit earlier, I started binge watching a lot of

00:05:22.640 videos like I think many of you have about Ali Dawah, Mohamed Hijab as well and a lot

00:05:27.920 of YouTubers.

00:05:29.120 They, it was very interesting and it helped me convert.

00:05:34.560 I was Muslim for about, I think, two years.

00:05:38.240 And after that, I lost touch with Islam.

00:05:40.640 How did that happen?

00:05:42.480 Oh, very slowly.

00:05:44.560 It happens very...

00:05:45.280 Shaitan, shaitan was question.

00:05:48.400 Yeah, they tell that.

00:05:49.200 Alhamdulillah.

00:05:50.240 Allah will come back from that.

00:05:52.320 Maybe.

00:05:52.720 We will see.

00:05:54.560 So, yeah, yeah.

00:05:55.440 That happened very slowly, just like the converting part was also very slowly.

00:05:59.520 It took about three years.

00:06:03.680 For those that are interested, I think the thing that converted me the most, or that...

00:06:08.000 How is it?

00:06:09.440 How is it?

00:06:10.080 Have I been most convinced?

00:06:13.120 Most convinced, of course.

00:06:14.080 That was the, I think, for me, the miracles of the Qur'an and the, for spelling it from

00:06:22.320 the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

00:06:23.920 The prophecies.

00:06:24.640 Prophecies, exactly.

00:06:25.360 To me, that's one of the strongest things.

00:06:26.560 Right, exactly.

00:06:27.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:28.000 I agree with you, fully.

00:06:31.200 And gradually, it became less and less.

00:06:33.120 I started making more friends that are not Muslim and we had talks, like everybody has.

00:06:37.360 And I can't say a distinct point that made me lose Islam.

00:06:42.320 Okay.

00:06:42.800 It's very difficult.

00:06:44.640 Okay.

00:06:44.960 But what are the main things that made you to lose Islam?

00:06:48.640 I think the part about Allah punishing us.

00:06:55.200 I think that's one of the main reasons for me.

00:06:57.440 So the punishment is one, you said free will is another.

00:06:59.440 Yeah, but those have connections to each other.

00:07:01.760 Okay, what else?

00:07:02.320 Mention the top five so we can share an idea.

00:07:04.800 Sure, sure, sure.

00:07:06.000 So punishment, free will.

00:07:12.800 What about capital punishment?

00:07:14.480 Does that play a role?

00:07:15.200 Like some capital punishment?

00:07:16.880 No, no.

00:07:17.360 He's talking about the punishment of Akhir.

00:07:18.800 Yeah, not Muslim.

00:07:19.520 Is it one of the other ones?

00:07:20.480 Because some people say that.

00:07:21.120 Oh, okay.

00:07:21.360 No, no, the punishment of after death.

00:07:24.160 After death.

00:07:24.720 Yes, after death.

00:07:25.440 Okay.

00:07:26.640 Within that, there are specific reasons I have.

00:07:30.400 It's hard to come to mind now.

00:07:32.160 Okay, no problem.

00:07:33.360 What we'll do is we'll try to answer the two and then the other ones that you think of.

00:07:37.520 Okay.

00:07:37.760 You can tell us, inshallah.

00:07:38.640 So the first one you said was the punishment of the hereafter.

00:07:42.320 Yeah, I would like to begin with free will, I think.

00:07:44.160 Okay, free will.

00:07:44.720 I have it laid out in my head.

00:07:47.520 Okay.

00:07:48.000 So my question is based on a few assumptions.

00:07:51.520 Okay.

00:07:51.920 So the assumption is, let me think.

00:07:59.760 So God gives us free will.

00:08:02.320 Yeah.

00:08:02.480 Yeah.

00:08:02.720 Yeah.

00:08:03.120 God decides that my free will is different from your free will.

00:08:06.560 Mm-hmm.

00:08:07.200 Okay.

00:08:07.680 No, no.

00:08:08.480 Keep it between us.

00:08:09.600 You keep it between.

00:08:10.800 You keep it.

00:08:11.520 Hold it.

00:08:12.000 Okay, yeah.

00:08:13.280 Cover it.

00:08:14.800 Yeah, you can ask about that later.

00:08:17.520 Those two things, actually.

00:08:19.760 So, yeah.

00:08:20.800 Okay.

00:08:21.040 So you said free will.

00:08:22.480 Yes.

00:08:22.800 Okay.

00:08:23.440 You know you said your free will is different to my free will.

00:08:26.160 Yes.

00:08:26.480 What do you mean by that?

00:08:27.280 Uh, what I mean by that is, um, the, our lives that we both have.

00:08:32.480 Are different.

00:08:33.120 Are different.

00:08:33.920 Oh, yeah.

00:08:34.320 Because of external factors.

00:08:35.600 Okay, yeah.

00:08:36.640 Uh, and I assume that the only thing that distincts our, uh, punishment will be how we use our free will.

00:08:46.800 Right?

00:08:47.600 Oh, okay.

00:08:48.720 And we use our free will in reaction to external factors.

00:08:51.920 Mm-hmm.

00:08:52.560 So, my father hits me, I respond to that and with my free will.

00:08:57.680 Mm-hmm.

00:08:58.240 But it's not my fault my father hits me or that I, how do I say this?

00:09:02.640 I understand.

00:09:03.760 Go on.

00:09:04.160 You're saying that, for example, there's different consequences that have different reaction and cause and effect.

00:09:08.080 Yes.

00:09:08.640 Okay, yeah.

00:09:09.840 So, so what I would say is this, yeah, like, when it comes to free will, we all have the same free will.

00:09:14.800 In the sense, what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given us a free will to make decisions.

00:09:18.080 Okay.

00:09:18.880 Choices.

00:09:19.280 That's the same.

00:09:20.080 Okay.

00:09:21.120 How we react to that is that it's upon us.

00:09:25.040 Mm-hmm.

00:09:25.600 Yes?

00:09:26.400 So, it's, it's, and of course Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has created the action and all those other factors.

00:09:30.800 But, we have free will and at the same time, I think the question is, if Allah knows, then he knows everything, he knows where I'm going to go, then how does free will work?

00:09:40.240 Mm-hmm.

00:09:40.520 Oh, that doesn't matter to me.

00:09:41.560 I understand that.

00:09:42.280 Oh, you understand that?

00:09:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:43.320 The determinism about how it's, yeah, yeah.

00:09:45.240 So, you have no problem with that?

00:09:46.040 No, no problem.

00:09:46.600 So, your question is not that if Allah knows where I'm going, that's not your issue, right?

00:09:50.840 No, it's my issue about, I don't see a way where, where our free will is all the same, but our punishment is very different.

00:10:02.200 But isn't that based on, like, these that we do, like, for example, argument, let's suppose you, you have an opportunity.

00:10:08.680 Let's say we both have 200 pounds in our account, you decide to spend half of that on orphans, I decide to spend it on drinking alcohol.

00:10:17.800 Mm-hmm.

00:10:18.520 Um, don't you think that the free will that you had and you acted on doing a good deed and the free will I had and acted on doing an evil deed and the end result should not be the same?

00:10:28.040 Because you've done a good deed and you should be rewarded for that. I've done a bad deed, I should not be rewarded for that.

00:10:32.040 No, because I think the free will that I have and the free will that you have, that we all share, I think, because you chose, sorry, in your story you chose the correct option, right?

00:10:44.440 Like the good option, you chose the bad option.

00:10:46.280 No, you did the good option, I did the bad option.

00:10:48.200 Yeah, I believe that I chose the bad option because I was raised and I experimented life in a certain way to make me make that choice.

00:10:57.160 You know the brother wanted to say basically that our free will as well is based on our experiences as well, meaning that we do things according to our experiences.

00:11:13.000 Like for example, they did an experiment, they put a wallet with money on the floor and then they saw some people, they walked by, they didn't do nothing about it.

00:11:22.040 Some people, they came, they took it, they looked at them, they took it and put it in their pocket and they ran away with it.

00:11:26.760 Yeah.

00:11:27.160 Some people, they picked it up and they were looking for a police officer to hand it to them.

00:11:31.480 So those people, they worked according to their free will, am I right?

00:11:38.120 Well, I don't believe in free will, but so that's another problem.

00:11:43.720 Then based on what they have done, the one who choose to steal it and the one who choose to give it back to the owner.

00:11:53.560 Now here, is there one force dealing with them or multiple forces?

00:11:59.800 Multiple forces.

00:12:00.680 Which forces?

00:12:02.520 Dealing with how they choose, everything that they have experienced in life.

00:12:08.200 But they choose to do something, am I right?

00:12:10.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:10.680 That's the meaning of the free will, to choose to do something.

00:12:13.400 The meaning of the free will, to choose yourself to do something.

00:12:17.000 Now here, the person who has, who, for example, the one who choose to hand it out, to hand it back to the owner, yeah?

00:12:24.920 He choose to do this, not necessarily, there are some people who are actually, who are brought up in a, in a bad, from, in a bad situation.

00:12:32.040 Maybe it could be in a bad family, it could be this, but they have this kind of morality.

00:12:35.800 They have this kind of, a good morality to say, you know what, this thing doesn't belong to me, I need to retain it.

00:12:40.680 And we have experience.

00:12:41.720 But where does that come from then?

00:12:44.120 That's the, what do you think, where does this come from, if it's not from the influence of the people?

00:12:48.280 Well, if it's from the influence of the people, it's, it's, you cannot be judged upon that, because it's from the people, right?

00:12:53.800 If it's not from the influence of the people, then from where?

00:12:55.960 That inner morality, it is from the influence of the people.

00:12:59.960 No, I'm saying, there are some people, I'm saying, I'm saying to you, and examples, who literally people who lived in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, amongst gangsters.

00:13:08.200 Yeah.

00:13:09.000 They lived there, but they choose not to do things.

00:13:12.520 Yeah.

00:13:12.760 They prefer not to do things.

00:13:14.440 They have, they didn't accept the things that's happening.

00:13:16.920 Now those ones, where this, where this came from?

00:13:20.280 So they have no, I'll give, I'll give.

00:13:22.200 Well, there's always an, you never know with what the influence is.

00:13:25.480 Listen, listen, listen, listen.

00:13:26.360 I'll give myself as an example, like, in Jahiliya, I used to chill with actual, like, full blown gangsters.

00:13:32.520 I was not one of them, like, I was just, I was like someone, like, I would have a different Jahiliya, but they would sell drugs, class A drugs.

00:13:39.400 I used to be around them, and I would never go near it.

00:13:41.880 I would, I would say, look, I don't want to be involved, I don't want to touch it, not because of things, it's just, I just thought to myself, morally it's not correct.

00:13:47.320 Yeah.

00:13:47.440 They did not have an impact, an influence on me.

00:13:50.080 A lot of people fought for influence, like when you were young, I didn't.

00:13:52.020 A lot of my friends would smoke weed.

00:13:53.260 And I just said, you know what, I don't want to, do you get it?

00:13:56.320 Yeah.

00:13:56.560 So the sheikh is saying that, if that's the case, from what we understood from your question, that influence should be there, should influence him to get involved.

00:14:04.320 I didn't, but I didn't.

00:14:05.480 So how would you, what would you say to that, because I should have been influenced.

00:14:08.140 I would say to that, that even if it's the free will from Allah that influenced it, the free will that he gave you, you used.

00:14:19.960 Yeah.

00:14:20.560 So.

00:14:21.100 I use that free will, yeah.

00:14:22.080 Yeah.

00:14:22.260 Say no to it.

00:14:22.920 Yeah.

00:14:23.100 So imagine if you said yes to it.

00:14:25.440 Yeah.

00:14:26.120 And you would be punished for it.

00:14:28.240 Yeah, because I would use my free will again to say yes to it.

00:14:30.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:31.460 But the free will that he gave you, maybe someone in another scenario, he doesn't respond to it because his, because he didn't use his free will.

00:14:38.380 Then the blame is on who?

00:14:39.000 So it's not based on the influence, but based on the decision he makes on his free will.

00:14:42.520 So the one in another scenario.

00:14:42.880 Yeah, but the decision, but the decision he makes on his free will is based on all his past experiences that influences it.

00:14:48.900 You said, you said it influences it.

00:14:50.860 Not necessarily.

00:14:51.240 I'm saying to you.

00:14:51.920 It's not necessarily on the own.

00:14:53.440 Yeah.

00:14:53.960 Yes, you have to be the hard determinist.

00:14:55.300 The hard determinist is basically, but you see the problem with hard determinism is because it's very interesting because atheists come to us and say, you've got the issue of Qadr, Qadr, God wield everything.

00:15:02.220 When you say, well, atheists, you have hard determinism.

00:15:04.240 Hard determinism means the following.

00:15:05.760 If today, for example, if today somebody comes and starts in front of a judge and he's a hard determinist,

00:15:11.120 he says, the judge said, you killed four people.

00:15:14.640 The judge cannot persecute him because he will say, external factors influence me to do that.

00:15:20.720 I am not responsible for this.

00:15:22.040 I agree with him.

00:15:23.280 Okay, so, okay, good.

00:15:24.380 But I do.

00:15:25.080 It's problematic.

00:15:25.380 Do you see what it is?

00:15:26.060 No, I don't think it's problematic.

00:15:27.300 Okay, so then if I come and say, I'm going to kill you today and it's not my fault.

00:15:30.920 Can I go scot-free?

00:15:32.320 Can I walk out of the store for today by killing you and saying, I'm a hard determinist and I believe factors in my life play the role in me doing that

00:15:39.740 and I should not be blamed, then I should walk free.

00:15:41.700 Well, what do you mean with blame?

00:15:42.880 Because I do think you should be locked up.

00:15:44.760 Why?

00:15:44.900 Because if we don't lock you up, then other people will see that they can do that as well.

00:15:49.760 Okay, but it's hard to determine.

00:15:50.640 But the hard determinist, the same thing.

00:15:51.900 But we have to, in society, we have to create some security and that we do it, even though it's not your fault.

00:15:56.920 Because everything leads up to that point.

00:15:59.340 So the other is not their fault.

00:16:00.720 But I can use that excuse and say.

00:16:02.660 I know, but I agree with it.

00:16:04.440 I agree with the excuse.

00:16:05.180 Okay, but if you say that, a rapist, a killer, a Hitler, Mao Zedong, Stalin that killed millions of people will come and say,

00:16:14.160 there's hard determinism, we believe all these facts play wrong, I'm not in control.

00:16:18.740 I didn't do it.

00:16:19.960 Yes, I did the action, but it wasn't me.

00:16:22.200 So then we say, you're going to have to lock up everybody and anybody, because what happens is,

00:16:27.860 all of them are going to say, I'm sorry, all of these other factors, he done it, we got encouraged.

00:16:31.920 But not if we lock people up, but then they don't do it.

00:16:38.400 That's the whole point.

00:16:39.320 Then they don't do it.

00:16:40.180 Even though if they know self-determinism, they're really determinist.

00:16:43.320 But now that's also determined.

00:16:44.280 Now you're going to lock up everybody?

00:16:45.700 Yeah.

00:16:46.520 It's a reaction, reaction.

00:16:47.640 And that's all life is, to me at least, right now.

00:16:49.500 And then what happens is chaos.

00:16:50.860 No, there's no.

00:16:51.400 If it was just pure determinism, then what happens is, bro, every action, like today,

00:16:56.780 like for example, if I was to hit you, I would say, sorry, but I didn't do it.

00:17:00.580 It was just a reaction of, it's just hard determinism and things were willed in that way.

00:17:04.680 And what happens is, you have no kind of...

00:17:07.000 No, but if you, if you will do it on purpose, then it's...

00:17:09.500 No, no, but how do you know it's on purpose?

00:17:11.100 Because you're a hard determinist.

00:17:12.060 There is no purpose or chance.

00:17:13.680 Things just happen.

00:17:14.980 It's not about how you did that.

00:17:16.580 No, no, no, because I do believe you can think about something and change your actions.

00:17:19.800 No, that's not free will.

00:17:21.140 To me, sorry.

00:17:21.900 I don't want to shout, sorry.

00:17:23.200 No, no, no.

00:17:23.680 So, it's not free will because everything that happened in your life leads up to a moment

00:17:29.100 where you think.

00:17:30.440 You think about it, maybe you change your actions.

00:17:32.720 But just because you think about something doesn't mean it's your free will.

00:17:37.040 It means that something has caused you to think about it.

00:17:40.520 And that external thing causes you to then make a move.

00:17:45.060 So, it's still external.

00:17:47.540 Good.

00:17:47.980 If that is the case right now, what is stopping me from killing you?

00:17:52.040 Sorry for the bad example.

00:17:53.560 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I understand.

00:17:54.640 I'm just saying, what is stopping me right now?

00:17:56.880 Let me tell you what's stopping me.

00:17:58.120 Okay.

00:17:58.640 What's stopping me is that my religion tells me that I should not kill innocent souls.

00:18:02.660 Do you get it?

00:18:03.100 Yeah.

00:18:03.340 And if I was not religious, I would still say, this guy's done nothing for me.

00:18:06.360 Why would I kill him or harm him?

00:18:07.720 So, what I'm saying is, those are things that have been taught to me.

00:18:11.020 So, now, if I decide to say, you know what, I'm just going to kill him.

00:18:14.460 For what reason?

00:18:15.080 I don't know.

00:18:15.760 Then, of course, I should be locked up.

00:18:17.300 Yeah.

00:18:17.460 So, what I'm saying is, I have a free will to say, should I?

00:18:20.440 Yeah, I do believe you have.

00:18:22.240 Do you get it?

00:18:22.620 So, pretty good.

00:18:23.180 If you have free will, then you're a compatibilist.

00:18:25.120 Compatibilist believes and hard determinism.

00:18:26.800 But I think we miss, I don't think we agree upon the same free will.

00:18:30.680 Because I do believe you can make a choice.

00:18:32.980 I can choose now to drop my phone.

00:18:35.780 Right?

00:18:36.340 I can choose now to kill you.

00:18:39.620 But, it's still, the free will, it's still, the free will that you may, that you use.

00:18:48.260 Hold on.

00:18:49.180 Yeah.

00:18:49.700 The free will that you use is still based upon external factors that happened earlier in your life.

00:18:55.840 So, you can say you have free will.

00:18:57.540 But, I believe you cannot say that someone can be, let's say, eternally punished for something they do out of an external reason.

00:19:06.760 You're right.

00:19:07.240 You're correct.

00:19:07.940 Let me tell you something.

00:19:08.540 There are a few things which is adding to this.

00:19:11.920 Firstly, we are not neglecting that there will be influence about certain things.

00:19:16.840 And factors that could influence the person to do whatever they were doing.

00:19:19.920 And we have a story that the Prophet, Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he mentioned about a man who killed 99 people.

00:19:26.200 This due to his upbringing, due to the people around him.

00:19:30.120 And he came to someone who was a pious person and he said to him, is there a way that I could repent?

00:19:36.000 Here, he's feeling, he's feeling guilt, the guilt feeling, made him to go to this person to ask him if there is repentance.

00:19:42.980 He said, if you kill 99 people, there is no way you could repent.

00:19:46.800 So, he killed him.

00:19:47.940 So, then become 100.

00:19:48.720 But still, the feeling of guilt is still in him.

00:19:51.420 So, he went to a scholar.

00:19:53.160 And then the scholar, he looked at his situation.

00:19:55.120 He said, you live amongst people who are people of evil, people of killing.

00:20:00.180 So, leave them and move to another area where the people are pious and worship Allah with them until you die.

00:20:05.760 So, on the way, he died.

00:20:07.800 Yeah?

00:20:08.200 On the way there.

00:20:09.820 Here, the angel of punishment, they were in dispute.

00:20:12.600 Should they take his soul?

00:20:14.180 And the angel of mercy, they said, should they take his soul?

00:20:17.620 So, dispute.

00:20:18.840 They went back to Allah.

00:20:19.580 They said, he was the angel of punishment.

00:20:21.180 They said, he killed 100 people.

00:20:23.980 The angel of mercy, they said, actually, he was, he repented.

00:20:27.720 Then Allah said, if he was closer to the land where the people, the pious ones, then the angel of mercy will take him.

00:20:32.840 But Allah knows his sincerity.

00:20:34.700 He was sincere to repent.

00:20:36.420 From this, Allah has moved his body to be closer to the land where the people of the pious ones and the angel of mercy took his soul.

00:20:43.180 From this story, we learn a few things.

00:20:46.560 We learn sometimes, yes, could be the factors, the things around us could influence us, our behavior, our actions.

00:20:53.000 But at the end of the day, the point when the people, when the person is taking that decision, at that point, yeah, to do and not to do.

00:21:00.560 They quit all the background and all of these things.

00:21:02.140 That point, here, it is his free will to choose to do it.

00:21:07.120 Now, there is no one can say, and we are born in our nature, in our innate, we are, we, Allah says in the Quran,

00:21:16.440 that Allah showed him the God, that's either the person grateful or ungrateful.

00:21:22.420 So, in our nature, we are inclined to worship Allah.

00:21:24.660 We are inclined to believe in God, et cetera.

00:21:26.600 But our community and our society and the things around us will influence us to do different things.

00:21:31.500 These things, these are facts.

00:21:33.180 Yeah, you agree with me on that principle.

00:21:36.500 The only thing we say here, which is that's why which is missing in you, which you say,

00:21:41.520 the point of the taking that decision, here, there where you are, when you take that decision,

00:21:48.500 either you are blameworthy for the things, if it's wrong, or you are praiseworthy if you did something right.

00:21:55.340 At the point where you are taking the decision, we are not neglecting the factors around you.

00:22:00.120 We are not neglecting that everything happens in this universe under the Qadr of Allah, Azzawajal.

00:22:05.440 Nothing happens in his kingdom without his permission, without him allowing it, and part of the Qadr of Allah.

00:22:10.200 It's part of our faith as Muslims.

00:22:12.520 Including people killing each other, by the way.

00:22:15.000 At the same time here, the point of taking the decision, that point, the person either praiseworthy or blameworthy.

00:22:24.880 The point of taking the decision.

00:22:26.760 And you know, and I know, the point when you said you want to drop the phone, at this point, you know, and I know, at this point, when you are dropping this phone, you know, that point, it is your free will did it.

00:22:38.560 I don't agree.

00:22:40.040 But I understand your point.

00:22:41.500 I'm saying to you, now here, if you don't have the ability to hold the phone, that means that free will is not there even.

00:22:48.180 I mean, to choose that, to do it this day.

00:22:50.420 Meaning, all the experiences and everything influence you to think about, and you know, for example, while holding the phone, before I dropped it, I know the consequence.

00:22:58.720 I know, we're going to throw it here, it's going to be on the carpet, it's not a solid floor.

00:23:02.120 I know my phone is protected, and all of this is in my mind, before I'm doing it.

00:23:06.320 Yeah, of course.

00:23:06.960 All this is in my mind.

00:23:08.200 If the phone doesn't have a protector, if the floor is solid, I may not do it, because I'm going to break my phone.

00:23:14.180 Yeah.

00:23:14.920 So these are factors, previous factors to do it.

00:23:18.780 I'm saying this, but still at the point of taking that decision, at that point, here, you have a choice.

00:23:25.540 That's why here...

00:23:26.120 Well, what do you mean with a choice? Because you don't throw it on the rocks, because it will break.

00:23:33.180 Yes.

00:23:33.400 So you have a choice, but your choice has consequences, which you will listen to.

00:23:38.380 Just as your deeds have a consequence.

00:23:39.880 Exactly.

00:23:40.900 That's what he said.

00:23:41.360 What do you mean?

00:23:41.860 Just as, you know, he said, if he knows the fact of that, if you throw it into the fire, it will burn.

00:23:45.480 Just the way we don't do bad deeds, because we know there's a fire.

00:23:48.020 But, but you, well, who knows? I don't know.

00:23:51.600 No, no, no, but if it exists, so what we're saying is the same principle applies.

00:23:53.980 Like, I'm not going to throw my phone into the fire, because if I know the consequences.

00:23:57.460 Because that's my free will.

00:23:58.460 Okay, if I throw in the fire, I'm going to lose my phone, and I'm going to be, you know, losing money.

00:24:02.820 Yeah.

00:24:03.060 And the same thing is this.

00:24:04.160 I'm not going to do a bad deed, because if I do a bad deed, I know that there's a consequence.

00:24:07.920 But you said, for example, before we continue, you said that...

00:24:11.640 Sorry, can I, can I interrupt you?

00:24:13.540 Do you believe then that free will is only there when you have a religion?

00:24:18.480 No, no, no, free will, no.

00:24:19.620 Because, no, but...

00:24:20.800 Because everyone has free will, you have free will, you're not Muslim.

00:24:23.020 Yeah, but I'm bound by the consequences.

00:24:24.980 That's the point.

00:24:25.400 You're bound by the consequences of your actions.

00:24:27.020 Of every action, and for sure, if I'm not religious, because then it's just the worldly consequences.

00:24:31.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:32.180 So, we all have free will.

00:24:33.700 So, what we're saying is that everyone has free will.

00:24:35.840 Me, as a religious person, I am bound by the Sharia that's given by God Almighty.

00:24:39.740 You are bound by your liberal worldview.

00:24:41.920 The only difference is, I follow God's law, you follow my main law.

00:24:44.280 Okay, and, yeah, but the, okay, wait, so you are bound by the consequences of Sharia and of the hellfire, right?

00:24:55.260 Yeah, and you are bound by the laws that you follow, the liberal, like the country's government.

00:25:00.160 Yeah, and sometimes, but sometimes, sometimes I don't listen.

00:25:02.800 When I'm, yeah, I don't...

00:25:04.940 Fuck, I'm sorry.

00:25:06.200 No, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, but what I'm just saying is that we're both under the Sharia of Allah.

00:25:10.140 For example, Allah has two, like we actually learned with Sheikh Mohammed this, yeah?

00:25:14.480 There's one law that Allah has, it's for everybody, the Muslims and the non-Muslims, yeah?

00:25:19.320 And there's one that Allah has, it's the Sharia that Allah loves for us.

00:25:21.600 What do you call it, the universal law?

00:25:23.800 And, and the, the, the, the one that Allah, God Almighty loves for us.

00:25:26.800 So what I'm seeing is the difference between us and Iraq.

00:25:28.620 You know, some people, atheists come to me and say, oh, you religious people, you believe.

00:25:32.180 And I say, brother, you also follow religion.

00:25:33.560 He goes, no, I don't.

00:25:34.120 I go, yes, you do.

00:25:35.040 I go, okay, no, who created the heavens and the mother nature?

00:25:37.340 I go, yeah, that's your God.

00:25:38.420 I said, what rose do you live by?

00:25:39.500 I said, can you eat pork?

00:25:40.140 He goes, yeah, I go, I can't eat pork.

00:25:41.280 I go, the only difference is, you can eat wherever you like.

00:25:43.820 I can't eat certain stuff.

00:25:45.300 So you follow a specific law, I follow law.

00:25:47.160 The only difference is, you worship a false, the false God, which says mother nature, big bang.

00:25:51.920 I say, it's Allah.

00:25:53.100 You come and say, I can have sex before marriage.

00:25:55.500 I can drink alcohol.

00:25:56.460 I can do this.

00:25:57.000 I go, good.

00:25:57.320 I can't, well, I can get married, yes.

00:25:58.960 I don't drink alcohol, I drink orange juice.

00:26:00.860 Sometimes, pinna kalada, halal, of course.

00:26:03.260 Halal pinna kalada.

00:26:04.120 Halal, halal pinna kalada.

00:26:05.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:05.360 Some of the Muslims use alcohol, actually.

00:26:06.620 Yeah, I know.

00:26:07.140 Okay, so the only difference is this.

00:26:09.280 You follow a legislation, and even some of them might say, you even have a prophet.

00:26:12.320 They go, who is it?

00:26:12.700 I go, Richard Dawkins.

00:26:14.100 You follow him.

00:26:14.620 Oh, he said this, blind faith.

00:26:15.840 We have the same thing with the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

00:26:19.520 So there is nothing much different.

00:26:21.280 We just follow a different set of laws.

00:26:22.720 Yeah, but you have, in your worldview, you have been given the correct set of rules.

00:26:28.060 We believe in morality.

00:26:29.260 We have objective morality from God on earth.

00:26:30.680 Yeah, but you have been given religion that allows you to make the correct decisions with the free will that you believe to have, right?

00:26:39.360 That's why we're saying you should be a Muslim, because then we have correct, more objective.

00:26:42.640 We have objective morality from God.

00:26:43.780 That's the reason why you're in this dilemma.

00:26:45.260 Yeah.

00:26:45.420 Because what happens is, when you take God out of the picture, you are, like for example, your brain is a byproduct of evolution, let's see.

00:26:52.340 I can't even say to you, I mean, how can you even trust what you're saying?

00:26:55.800 Or how can you trust what I'm saying?

00:26:56.720 Because we're a byproduct of evolution.

00:26:58.520 Like for example, if I was to throw this in the fire and throw a human being in the fire, what's the difference?

00:27:03.240 Rearrange of atoms.

00:27:04.480 This one and the human being.

00:27:05.700 That's why Hitler and people who are communist, atheists, they killed millions of people.

00:27:09.960 You know why?

00:27:10.500 It's eugenics.

00:27:11.260 Meaning, these people, it's just an evolutionary process.

00:27:14.300 There is no God, nothing.

00:27:15.200 Just they call it dirt.

00:27:16.220 Dirt.

00:27:16.780 They call it carbon dirt.

00:27:17.960 It's just carbon dirt.

00:27:18.760 It's just a rearrangement of atoms.

00:27:19.840 When these guys, or when I throw this in the fire, it's the same thing.

00:27:22.360 There's no value to human life.

00:27:23.880 In Islam, when you have objective morality, we say, no, this is a human being.

00:27:27.060 This is a soul.

00:27:27.720 This is someone that has something to offer.

00:27:29.840 As a being, you become a human.

00:27:32.460 But in the atheist perspective, you're just a byproduct of, like for example, that's why

00:27:37.520 Hitler used to kill people who are disabled.

00:27:39.380 He said, this is the lowest class of the law.

00:27:41.340 You get rid of him.

00:27:41.960 He's causing us problems.

00:27:43.120 He has nothing to offer.

00:27:44.420 So what happens is, when you have objective morality from God Almighty, everything.

00:27:48.120 Yes, yes.

00:27:48.840 So you know when you said, if we have hard determinism, hard determinism means the following.

00:27:53.460 You cannot question any action I do.

00:27:55.700 If today I was to kill four people, you cannot come and say, that's byproduct.

00:27:59.600 I'll say, no, because I believe in hard determinism.

00:28:02.240 Other factors influence me.

00:28:03.060 No, no, I can't.

00:28:03.820 I should not be locked up.

00:28:05.120 Dude, this is the hard determinism.

00:28:06.280 What do you mean, locked up as in, as a punishment for, as in, no, no, but you see

00:28:10.500 a punishment as, as the way that Allah punishes people.

00:28:15.260 No, no, I didn't do it.

00:28:16.060 But whatever action an evil person does, he says, I didn't do it.

00:28:19.280 That's what, when you write a book, when you write a book, you can't say, I wrote it.

00:28:22.460 He has an important point.

00:28:23.640 He has an important point, he said.

00:28:24.600 But, so you said, you believe in this hard determinism, yeah?

00:28:27.960 Yeah.

00:28:28.260 Which means everyone has to be the same understanding, correct?

00:28:30.840 Sorry?

00:28:31.340 Everyone has to have the same understanding, like you, hard determinism.

00:28:34.340 Let's say, yeah.

00:28:35.260 Because that's how it is.

00:28:36.340 So, meaning the same concept.

00:28:38.020 So, if someone go and kill 10 people, believing in hard, because this, I'm forced to do that,

00:28:42.500 these are my things.

00:28:43.440 So, the other one, they shouldn't be judging him, because they are hard determinism.

00:28:46.220 Because that's how it is.

00:28:47.420 Well, yeah, I agree.

00:28:48.360 You can't judge him.

00:28:49.000 I study psychology, and we, the vision is fully about what causes people to do something.

00:28:57.120 That means there is no loose.

00:28:57.740 No, it means that we have to still punish them.

00:29:01.560 We still have to punish them.

00:29:03.020 Because if they don't, then they're going to do it again.

00:29:05.300 So, we have to punish them.

00:29:06.300 So, they learn from it.

00:29:07.600 Based on what?

00:29:08.180 But, what do you mean based on what?

00:29:09.400 Based on what you punish them?

00:29:11.460 Based on the action that they did.

00:29:12.940 Not because why they did it.

00:29:14.520 Because of the action.

00:29:15.440 Because the action of murder, you can collectively, as a society, say it's bad.

00:29:20.160 It's not objectively bad.

00:29:22.400 I know.

00:29:22.720 I don't believe in...

00:29:23.520 I agree.

00:29:24.200 I agree.

00:29:24.800 If there is no fault, that means there is no punishment.

00:29:26.540 You know you said, based on the action, they did.

00:29:28.600 There is no they did.

00:29:30.080 They did it.

00:29:30.960 They were caused to do it by other factors, but they still did it.

00:29:33.940 How am I to blame?

00:29:35.020 If other factors...

00:29:36.560 Like, if I write a book, I can't say it wrote by Ali Dawah.

00:29:38.880 I agree you are not to blame.

00:29:40.320 But it's the only way we can live in society.

00:29:43.320 It's the only way.

00:29:44.200 So, we have to punish him.

00:29:45.740 So, he knows the next time I'm not going to do it.

00:29:47.800 And so, as friends, no, I'm not going to do it ever.

00:29:50.100 But it's different from the punishment from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

00:29:52.160 But what you said now is very interesting.

00:29:53.700 Because that means you are going against the principles of hard determinism

00:29:56.300 by saying we have to jump out of that belief.

00:29:59.440 Because if we go in that belief, there's chaos.

00:30:01.040 Because you said, if we punish him, because we have to.

00:30:03.720 Because otherwise it's going to be destroyed.

00:30:04.600 So, that means you are not accepting this hard-determined worldview.

00:30:08.480 And saying we have to lock you up.

00:30:10.020 Because if we don't lock you up, there's going to be chaos.

00:30:11.980 But that goes against hard determinism.

00:30:13.960 Because what you're doing is you're stepping out and saying,

00:30:16.480 if someone comes and says, sorry guys, external factors or whatever,

00:30:19.640 you're going to lock me up.

00:30:21.020 But if everyone follows that, there will be chaos.

00:30:23.000 So, now you're going out of your principles to apply law.

00:30:25.660 No, no, no, no, no.

00:30:27.380 No?

00:30:27.600 No.

00:30:27.960 Because why do you say after that?

00:30:29.040 By the way, by the way.

00:30:29.540 You have to do this.

00:30:30.120 Otherwise, you can do it again.

00:30:30.860 How come?

00:30:31.660 How come?

00:30:32.200 Why?

00:30:33.300 Because that causes him to think about his actions and do something else.

00:30:38.580 Yeah.

00:30:38.800 So, we still cause him.

00:30:39.720 He still has no choice.

00:30:40.560 What if your experience, motives, influence that you went through,

00:30:44.220 makes you decide that you shouldn't be locked up?

00:30:46.480 Then what happens then?

00:30:47.540 There could be.

00:30:48.300 But if we...

00:30:49.000 What happens then?

00:30:49.580 What happens then?

00:30:50.300 If you decide to say, no, actually, actually, no, it's not his fault.

00:30:53.260 Well, if we all collectively decide that as a society, if we all...

00:30:56.960 He could say, he could say, the criminal could say,

00:31:00.600 it's actually you, the punishers, you made me to do that.

00:31:04.080 Because it's part of that.

00:31:05.480 How come?

00:31:06.020 Which means they have to punish themselves before him.

00:31:07.860 What will happen if everyone did that?

00:31:09.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:09.480 If we collectively say that that's true, then that's true.

00:31:12.420 Because that is in determinism, that is the...

00:31:16.420 That's the morality.

00:31:17.560 We don't have objective morality.

00:31:18.640 I agree.

00:31:19.080 I agree.

00:31:19.320 I've seen your video about it.

00:31:20.880 Now this means this, yeah?

00:31:22.160 Now this means this.

00:31:23.400 There is full-blown chaos.

00:31:25.060 But it's not because we live in...

00:31:26.720 No, it's not.

00:31:27.660 I don't believe there's full-blown chaos.

00:31:29.860 I'm not talking about idealism.

00:31:30.640 You're talking about this world.

00:31:31.460 I'm saying if everyone was a hard determinist,

00:31:34.080 they don't have chaos, correct?

00:31:35.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:31:36.080 No.

00:31:36.220 Okay, but if everyone says he's not guilty,

00:31:38.100 he killed his people, but...

00:31:39.180 Yeah, but I really believe that we don't.

00:31:41.480 There might be a chance we will, but we don't.

00:31:43.360 I'm talking about your view of hard determinism.

00:31:46.340 Let's live in that world.

00:31:47.340 We want to live in a world...

00:31:48.160 But we still make laws about...

00:31:52.320 Why do we make laws?

00:31:54.040 To prevent people from doing certain things.

00:31:56.300 Okay, but where is this coming from?

00:31:57.800 Well, a lot of these laws come from religion,

00:31:59.720 and that's partly a good thing.

00:32:01.340 But we can still create new laws

00:32:03.480 and debate about it and vote on them

00:32:05.500 and make laws that everybody agrees with.

00:32:08.040 Because we're all subjective.

00:32:08.860 Do you see what happens?

00:32:09.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:09.540 When we don't have objective morality,

00:32:11.960 everyone comes and says,

00:32:13.080 I think we should do this,

00:32:13.860 I think we should do that.

00:32:14.460 Yeah.

00:32:14.640 I think we should do this,

00:32:15.180 maybe we should do that.

00:32:15.440 And I think we could collectively decide

00:32:17.200 which is in that moment to us the best.

00:32:19.960 Let me tell you what.

00:32:20.680 By the way, I know we're not able.

00:32:22.580 He has a good point.

00:32:23.820 In the Nazi system in Germany,

00:32:26.580 they voted,

00:32:27.620 and then in collective voting,

00:32:30.860 they decided that the Jews,

00:32:32.680 they have to be executed.

00:32:34.040 They have to kill all the,

00:32:35.720 even the, what do you call it,

00:32:37.280 the Jews and the lower class.

00:32:40.760 The lower class.

00:32:41.880 And then they accepted this.

00:32:43.580 So it's part of the law system.

00:32:44.740 What do you think of this?

00:32:45.540 Yeah, so I think that's a very good example

00:32:48.920 of what you said,

00:32:49.780 if everything turns to chaos.

00:32:51.440 Exactly.

00:32:51.700 Yeah, so that's good, yeah.

00:32:52.920 What would you do?

00:32:53.500 Like, if you lived in Nazi Germany,

00:32:54.980 you would have to go with the system.

00:32:56.760 I think if I lived in Nazi Germany,

00:32:58.220 I would be killing the Jews.

00:32:59.420 Yeah, I think I would be.

00:33:00.420 I think because 99% of us would.

00:33:02.280 Oh, I'll be.

00:33:02.600 No, no, no, I wouldn't.

00:33:03.760 Maybe you know.

00:33:04.280 I would not.

00:33:04.680 Maybe you know.

00:33:05.580 Yeah, because you follow the rules of...

00:33:07.180 And some good Germans.

00:33:08.580 And some good Germans.

00:33:09.700 And by the way,

00:33:10.560 not just some Muslims who are in France,

00:33:12.520 who hid Jews.

00:33:14.260 Give them fake possibles.

00:33:14.900 Yeah.

00:33:15.200 Not just Muslims in France,

00:33:17.820 who hid Jews when Germans entered France.

00:33:20.900 They hid Jews in their houses,

00:33:23.440 jeopardizing their lives,

00:33:24.620 the lives of their family to protect them.

00:33:26.720 There are some good Germans as well,

00:33:28.080 in Germany,

00:33:28.680 who lived in that system.

00:33:30.140 They decided not to go.

00:33:31.160 Germans,

00:33:31.640 who decided not to go with that system.

00:33:33.180 And even some of them being killed

00:33:34.780 by the Nazis

00:33:35.280 because they decided to go against it.

00:33:37.100 Yeah.

00:33:37.320 Which means,

00:33:38.660 basically,

00:33:39.180 your hard determinism

00:33:39.880 get out of the window from the window.

00:33:41.240 Why?

00:33:41.460 Why?

00:33:41.660 Why does this disprove...

00:33:43.420 Wait,

00:33:44.280 let's get the definition

00:33:45.380 of hard determinism right

00:33:46.980 because I accepted it,

00:33:47.980 but maybe...

00:33:48.540 What's your definition of hard determinism?

00:33:50.600 A special one.

00:33:52.120 Sorry?

00:33:52.580 You have your own one.

00:33:53.740 I don't know.

00:33:54.840 I'm not...

00:33:55.480 No, no, let's see.

00:33:57.220 What do you mean with determinism?

00:33:59.240 What do you mean by determinism?

00:34:00.540 That everything is already determined,

00:34:02.780 even though...

00:34:03.200 There's no free will.

00:34:04.000 Yeah, yeah,

00:34:04.320 there's no free will.

00:34:05.040 Okay, sure.

00:34:05.640 Do you believe in God or not?

00:34:07.300 No.

00:34:07.760 Okay, good.

00:34:08.180 As a hard determinist,

00:34:08.860 you have to believe in God

00:34:09.460 because if there's determinism,

00:34:11.420 who is the determiner?

00:34:13.460 If you say, for example,

00:34:15.400 there's hard determinism,

00:34:16.280 meaning that there was a point of...

00:34:18.460 Like, there's a cause

00:34:19.160 and those causes are based on...

00:34:20.880 It's like a domino effect.

00:34:21.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:22.460 Who is...

00:34:22.960 There has to be a determiner.

00:34:23.920 There has to be one.

00:34:24.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:25.060 Okay, I've made that...

00:34:26.280 Yeah, I know what you mean.

00:34:27.100 So, there has to be a determiner.

00:34:28.220 Even if you go with the argument,

00:34:29.380 determinism,

00:34:30.080 you have to agree

00:34:30.780 that there was a determiner

00:34:31.840 that started...

00:34:32.360 Well, if that determ...

00:34:33.460 What do you mean?

00:34:34.160 Just something that's...

00:34:35.340 No, a being.

00:34:36.280 I started it all.

00:34:37.480 What is a being?

00:34:38.320 Good.

00:34:38.700 So, for example...

00:34:39.220 What is it?

00:34:39.640 Where are you?

00:34:40.100 Let's start with this

00:34:40.920 because you don't...

00:34:41.400 I thought you believed in God

00:34:42.340 but not Islam.

00:34:42.900 Okay, you don't believe in God.

00:34:44.000 No.

00:34:44.200 Let me make it very simple.

00:34:44.840 Okay, let me use the argument

00:34:45.800 of contingency, yeah?

00:34:46.920 Because you're an intelligent person, yeah?

00:34:49.720 You accept that...

00:34:50.380 Look, there's three types of existence, yeah?

00:34:52.400 There is impossible existence,

00:34:54.080 there is possible existence,

00:34:55.200 and there's necessary existence, yeah?

00:34:56.440 And impossible existence is...

00:34:58.400 You agree with this, by the way?

00:34:59.480 Yeah, I'll give the three examples.

00:35:01.020 I've heard it

00:35:01.620 but I don't understand it fully.

00:35:02.660 Okay, I'll tell you.

00:35:03.320 The first one is this.

00:35:04.140 Can we have a triangle square?

00:35:06.880 Of what?

00:35:07.820 A shape.

00:35:08.320 Can we have a triangle square?

00:35:11.120 A square which looks like a triangle.

00:35:12.940 Yeah, can you have something

00:35:13.940 that's a triangle square?

00:35:14.800 Or a square like a circle.

00:35:15.780 A circle square.

00:35:17.720 No.

00:35:18.360 Okay, good.

00:35:18.780 Why?

00:35:19.040 Because a triangle has three sides,

00:35:21.340 a square has four sides.

00:35:22.520 Okay.

00:35:22.820 So you can't have a triangle square,

00:35:23.860 it's an impossible existence.

00:35:25.080 Yeah.

00:35:25.560 Correct, good.

00:35:26.340 Now we have two left,

00:35:27.340 which is what?

00:35:28.220 Possible existence

00:35:29.060 and necessary existence.

00:35:30.460 Possible existence is...

00:35:31.200 Wait, what was the other name?

00:35:33.040 So necessary existence,

00:35:34.640 possible existence

00:35:35.380 and impossible existence.

00:35:37.420 Impossible existence is

00:35:38.440 to have oxymorons,

00:35:40.060 triangle square.

00:35:40.920 Okay.

00:35:41.260 A triangle has three sides.

00:35:42.340 Can you explain

00:35:42.740 how that's related to God or...

00:35:45.240 I'll tell you how.

00:35:45.660 Okay, okay.

00:35:46.000 So I'm talking about

00:35:47.240 there are three types of existence.

00:35:49.280 The first one

00:35:49.980 is an impossible existence.

00:35:51.520 The second one is...

00:35:52.220 But then that's not an existence, right?

00:35:53.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:53.960 So you can...

00:35:54.440 Okay, it's just for the...

00:35:55.300 So let's say an impossible

00:35:55.900 because it's meaning

00:35:56.240 it doesn't exist.

00:35:56.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:57.360 Okay, so a triangle square,

00:35:58.680 we can't have that.

00:35:59.200 We'll say bye-bye to that, yeah?

00:36:00.060 Yeah.

00:36:00.360 Okay, good.

00:36:01.080 So the two that we're left with

00:36:02.680 is possible existence

00:36:04.700 and necessary existence.

00:36:05.860 Now the possible existence

00:36:06.680 is me, you,

00:36:08.200 our planet Earth,

00:36:09.180 our gravitational force,

00:36:10.240 the sun,

00:36:10.940 the galaxies,

00:36:12.460 and the universe.

00:36:13.580 Okay.

00:36:13.820 These are the things

00:36:15.200 that rely on something else

00:36:16.240 to survive.

00:36:16.640 For example,

00:36:17.220 I am a contingent being.

00:36:18.880 I depend on other factors

00:36:20.420 to survive.

00:36:21.160 I need water,

00:36:22.300 I need food,

00:36:23.100 I need to sleep,

00:36:24.040 I need many other factors.

00:36:25.520 Yeah.

00:36:25.640 Our planet Earth

00:36:26.680 relies on the gravitational force,

00:36:28.480 the sun,

00:36:29.060 the moon,

00:36:30.040 Jupiter,

00:36:30.900 which the gravitational force

00:36:31.880 deters meteorites

00:36:33.540 that are coming

00:36:33.900 towards our planet

00:36:34.820 to survive.

00:36:35.660 And our solar system

00:36:37.180 requires other factors

00:36:38.640 to survive.

00:36:39.600 We have a question now.

00:36:41.180 We cannot have

00:36:42.280 an infinite regress

00:36:44.920 of dependent things.

00:36:46.260 Meaning,

00:36:47.100 this thing relies on this,

00:36:48.440 this depends on this,

00:36:49.360 this depends on this.

00:36:50.240 If it went forever,

00:36:51.260 we would never have

00:36:51.960 the universe.

00:36:52.660 Yeah.

00:36:52.820 So let me ask you a question.

00:36:54.620 The universe.

00:36:55.680 Do you believe the universe

00:36:56.740 is dependent or independent?

00:36:58.980 I don't know.

00:36:59.800 Okay.

00:37:00.320 What I would say is the following.

00:37:01.540 For us,

00:37:01.960 dependent is the following.

00:37:03.160 Anything that is composed

00:37:04.580 of pieces,

00:37:06.420 anything that can be

00:37:07.760 any other way,

00:37:09.540 and it depends on something

00:37:11.260 else for its survival.

00:37:12.820 Now,

00:37:13.060 would you agree that our universe

00:37:14.540 is composed of pieces?

00:37:17.100 Yes.

00:37:18.460 Okay.

00:37:18.780 Would you accept that our universe

00:37:20.160 could be any other way?

00:37:21.200 There could have been

00:37:21.640 four billion less galaxies

00:37:22.920 or five million more galaxies.

00:37:24.220 Yeah.

00:37:24.520 Good.

00:37:25.140 That makes it dependent.

00:37:26.960 Meaning,

00:37:27.480 within itself,

00:37:28.760 it depends on these factors

00:37:30.160 to survive.

00:37:31.720 Okay.

00:37:32.700 Then the question is this.

00:37:33.900 If the universe is dependent,

00:37:36.000 what does it depend on?

00:37:38.260 It cannot depend on

00:37:39.420 something else that's dependent.

00:37:40.780 But then it's like,

00:37:41.680 then what does that depend on?

00:37:42.780 It depends on this.

00:37:43.920 It has to stop

00:37:45.020 at a necessary being,

00:37:46.760 which is not composed of

00:37:48.400 pieces.

00:37:49.680 Pieces.

00:37:50.000 cannot be any other way

00:37:51.760 and is dependent

00:37:53.360 and necessary.

00:37:53.980 Meaning,

00:37:54.720 he,

00:37:55.340 that being,

00:37:55.960 is the ultimate source

00:37:57.340 of the beginning

00:37:58.360 of the universe.

00:38:00.280 And,

00:38:00.800 why does he,

00:38:04.040 so the natural question

00:38:05.500 would be,

00:38:06.340 so what causes him

00:38:07.740 to exist?

00:38:08.800 Or what,

00:38:09.180 sorry,

00:38:09.460 what was the word

00:38:10.500 you used?

00:38:10.960 So what,

00:38:11.460 he's independent.

00:38:13.520 Yeah,

00:38:14.040 so what depends on him?

00:38:15.380 Or what does he depend on?

00:38:17.040 If he's independent,

00:38:18.040 remember we said,

00:38:18.860 the first one was,

00:38:19.480 you can't have a square triangle.

00:38:20.880 Yeah.

00:38:21.440 So we're saying,

00:38:22.020 you cannot have,

00:38:22.440 you can't say,

00:38:23.040 what does the independent depend on?

00:38:24.860 Because we said,

00:38:25.320 he's what?

00:38:25.580 He's the independent.

00:38:27.000 Yeah,

00:38:27.180 but,

00:38:28.260 but,

00:38:28.880 yeah.

00:38:29.500 He's the independent.

00:38:30.120 So if he's the independent,

00:38:31.240 that means,

00:38:31.440 Yeah,

00:38:31.500 but why couldn't we

00:38:32.300 be the independent?

00:38:34.100 Because we're dependent.

00:38:34.960 Like,

00:38:35.020 for example,

00:38:35.600 if today I walk,

00:38:36.340 I get hit by a bus,

00:38:37.040 I die.

00:38:37.480 Yeah.

00:38:38.080 So I'm not independent.

00:38:39.000 Yeah,

00:38:39.120 but the,

00:38:39.420 okay,

00:38:39.780 but the unit,

00:38:40.200 I don't like anybody,

00:38:40.640 but.

00:38:41.120 So the,

00:38:42.140 basically the material that we,

00:38:44.100 that all is here?

00:38:45.220 I need water to survive.

00:38:46.820 You're dependent.

00:38:47.620 Okay.

00:38:47.800 I depend on that.

00:38:48.720 Like,

00:38:48.780 you know in Surah Ikhlas?

00:38:49.840 Yeah,

00:38:49.920 but the.

00:38:50.240 You know Surah Ikhlas?

00:38:51.920 Do you remember it?

00:38:52.740 No.

00:38:55.160 Say God is one.

00:38:56.760 Say Allah is one,

00:38:58.520 self-sufficient.

00:39:00.160 This is what I'm talking about,

00:39:01.120 the self-sufficiency.

00:39:01.900 I'm talking about,

00:39:03.120 Allah,

00:39:03.660 this God,

00:39:04.240 this being,

00:39:05.180 is not depending on anything.

00:39:07.940 Everything depends on Him.

00:39:10.880 So it's independent.

00:39:11.920 So we can't say He depends.

00:39:12.800 Because we said,

00:39:13.860 there's three types of existence,

00:39:16.340 dependent,

00:39:17.060 independent.

00:39:17.780 So we're saying,

00:39:18.760 we talked to you about all the dependent things.

00:39:20.700 All of these dependent things,

00:39:21.920 we said the universe is dependent.

00:39:23.780 Dependent on what?

00:39:25.080 The independent being.

00:39:26.520 Now you can come and ask me,

00:39:28.460 okay Ali,

00:39:29.180 let's suppose there's an independent being.

00:39:30.600 Why Allah?

00:39:31.380 Why not Jesus?

00:39:32.080 Why not Ganesh?

00:39:33.180 You can ask me that.

00:39:34.980 Yeah,

00:39:35.260 but I,

00:39:35.900 yeah.

00:39:36.700 If you want to ask me.

00:39:37.360 No,

00:39:37.780 no,

00:39:37.900 I don't.

00:39:38.180 Okay,

00:39:38.380 so do you accept that there's an independent being?

00:39:42.000 There has to be an independent being.

00:39:45.760 It's hard.

00:39:46.580 I have,

00:39:47.200 I've looked into this,

00:39:49.580 this matter like a lot of times,

00:39:51.160 and I still can't wrap my head around it.

00:39:52.500 It's very simple.

00:39:53.320 We cannot have an infinite regress of dependent things.

00:39:56.420 There has to be a starting point.

00:39:58.500 This being is independent.

00:40:00.120 He's not composed of pieces.

00:40:01.500 It cannot be any other way.

00:40:02.320 And he created all of that.

00:40:04.280 It's simple as that.

00:40:04.940 Because you said the universe is dependent.

00:40:06.440 And he has attributes.

00:40:08.720 Attributes,

00:40:09.180 we're going to come to now.

00:40:10.420 Before we go to that,

00:40:11.780 we're going to come to the attributes.

00:40:12.860 So for example,

00:40:13.840 there is no other answer.

00:40:15.280 He's the independent being that created everything.

00:40:17.280 And then I can prove to you why it's Allah.

00:40:20.500 Okay.

00:40:21.100 Proof.

00:40:21.480 Before you prove,

00:40:22.400 let's accept.

00:40:23.200 Before we go to that,

00:40:24.700 do you accept this before we go further?

00:40:26.760 Yeah,

00:40:27.180 that's a difficult one.

00:40:28.140 You have to.

00:40:28.860 Why is it?

00:40:29.180 Why is it difficult?

00:40:29.800 Because this is a logical.

00:40:30.400 I give you a logical question.

00:40:30.740 I think because...

00:40:31.540 Either you think logically

00:40:32.700 or you think logically.

00:40:33.680 Up to you.

00:40:34.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:34.300 No,

00:40:34.520 I think it's...

00:40:35.600 You could think about dragons.

00:40:36.780 That's up to you.

00:40:37.420 But we're saying,

00:40:38.040 we're talking about things

00:40:39.280 which is a logic thing.

00:40:40.160 Yeah?

00:40:40.740 Now,

00:40:41.200 we said to you,

00:40:42.220 we said to you,

00:40:42.740 you cannot have an infinite,

00:40:43.820 an infinite,

00:40:45.320 you know,

00:40:47.280 it has to have a starting point.

00:40:50.400 Since it has a starting point,

00:40:51.440 it should be

00:40:52.160 an independent being.

00:40:54.340 Yeah.

00:40:54.820 Yeah?

00:40:55.320 And has certain main characteristics.

00:40:56.960 But we'll go to it.

00:40:58.120 But that's...

00:40:58.600 Can I say something

00:40:59.180 about the independent being?

00:41:00.220 Yes.

00:41:00.520 Yes.

00:41:00.820 To me,

00:41:01.700 maybe you will explain it later.

00:41:02.980 That could be.

00:41:03.720 But the independent being

00:41:06.220 that you are describing,

00:41:07.780 to me,

00:41:08.800 it's like

00:41:09.420 going out of

00:41:10.940 out of logical...

00:41:13.820 How about?

00:41:14.080 How it's actually logical.

00:41:15.600 The argument is logical.

00:41:16.140 Because to me,

00:41:16.760 it's illogical

00:41:17.340 that he can be

00:41:18.120 even independent,

00:41:19.160 let's say.

00:41:19.500 No, how?

00:41:19.900 Okay, one second.

00:41:20.580 Because of what you just said.

00:41:21.920 But didn't you say

00:41:22.480 a minute ago,

00:41:22.920 why can we not be independent?

00:41:24.960 No, no,

00:41:25.420 because you...

00:41:25.880 Afterwards,

00:41:26.760 you explained to me

00:41:27.380 why we can't be independent.

00:41:28.660 Perfect.

00:41:29.080 So why can't he...

00:41:30.120 Why can't he be independent?

00:41:31.500 He's the opposite of that.

00:41:32.400 Look,

00:41:32.540 I'm a dependent being,

00:41:33.360 yeah?

00:41:33.760 I need food to survive.

00:41:35.300 I'm composed of pieces.

00:41:36.380 No, but...

00:41:36.900 What do you mean

00:41:37.440 you need food to survive?

00:41:38.860 Because if you will die...

00:41:39.860 If I don't eat,

00:41:40.300 I'll die.

00:41:40.960 Well, what is you?

00:41:41.840 Your subconscious?

00:41:42.920 No, no, I die.

00:41:43.820 No, no, me.

00:41:44.140 I'm talking about my flesh.

00:41:44.500 No, but your flesh

00:41:45.560 will evaporate into gas,

00:41:47.420 into...

00:41:48.000 So it never disappears.

00:41:49.180 No, no, no.

00:41:49.400 You're talking about

00:41:50.320 the first level

00:41:50.940 of thermodynamics.

00:41:51.720 Energy cannot be created

00:41:52.420 or destroyed.

00:41:52.860 I'm not talking about it.

00:41:53.440 You're talking about

00:41:53.960 if I set this on fire,

00:41:55.160 it dissipates.

00:41:55.600 No, it didn't dissipate.

00:41:56.200 It changed its form.

00:41:56.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:57.480 I'm not talking about that.

00:41:58.120 Well, what are you talking about?

00:41:58.700 I'm talking about

00:41:59.160 even if you go with that,

00:42:00.480 we have a set amount

00:42:01.580 of energy within our universe.

00:42:02.800 Even though this

00:42:03.360 first level of thermodynamics

00:42:04.700 is that energy

00:42:05.240 cannot be created

00:42:05.800 or destroyed,

00:42:06.600 what it does

00:42:12.520 in our universe,

00:42:13.380 why is there a set amount?

00:42:15.340 The set amount shows what?

00:42:16.380 That is dependent.

00:42:16.940 It's dependent.

00:42:17.640 Good.

00:42:18.020 Okay.

00:42:18.320 You're smart.

00:42:19.320 So you're smart, man.

00:42:20.180 Come on, man.

00:42:20.920 Islam is your religion.

00:42:22.380 You're smart, man.

00:42:23.140 You're very intelligent

00:42:23.660 because not many people

00:42:24.320 are talking about energy.

00:42:26.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:26.480 The only energy...

00:42:27.020 If you have a set amount.

00:42:27.940 The only way I go

00:42:28.380 is there a petrol energy.

00:42:29.020 If you have a finance amount,

00:42:30.960 that means that's dependent.

00:42:32.320 So that means it's dependent.

00:42:33.460 What we're seeing is

00:42:34.140 what does the universe

00:42:35.520 and all this energy

00:42:36.520 depend on?

00:42:37.280 It cannot be another thing

00:42:39.120 because the question

00:42:39.700 that we ask is

00:42:40.260 if that depends on this,

00:42:41.820 what does this depend on?

00:42:43.340 This depends on that.

00:42:44.400 Then you have the fallacy

00:42:45.560 of infinite regress.

00:42:46.720 Meaning,

00:42:47.180 there has to be a point

00:42:48.420 that everything stops.

00:42:50.000 Some call it the prime mover.

00:42:51.080 We don't use that kalam, yeah?

00:42:52.820 We say there has to be

00:42:53.780 an independent being

00:42:54.580 logically following

00:42:55.760 that created everything.

00:42:58.200 Now, from here,

00:42:58.820 I'll prove to you

00:42:59.420 why it's Allah.

00:43:00.320 So then I think

00:43:00.880 it will make more sense to you

00:43:01.640 even though we have...

00:43:02.520 Let's establish this.

00:43:04.360 Do you agree with this so far?

00:43:05.560 Logically.

00:43:05.960 Logically, it makes sense.

00:43:06.900 Okay, so I have you

00:43:08.060 in my head

00:43:08.660 and I have my friend

00:43:09.500 that makes a lot of good arguments

00:43:10.600 as well and I'm...

00:43:11.440 Your friend...

00:43:12.120 I'm deciding between two

00:43:13.260 and the camera is in my face

00:43:14.380 and it's hard to fully accept

00:43:16.280 in front of camera right now

00:43:17.300 because it's...

00:43:18.820 But for the sake of the argument,

00:43:20.080 I will accept it.

00:43:20.840 That's the thing.

00:43:21.900 One second,

00:43:23.060 I want to say something.

00:43:24.100 Yeah.

00:43:24.420 Listen to that.

00:43:25.880 Ignore the audience.

00:43:27.540 It's hard.

00:43:28.840 We'll turn it off.

00:43:29.740 If this is the issue,

00:43:30.260 we'll turn it off.

00:43:30.580 No, it's not the issue.

00:43:31.360 It's not the issue.

00:43:31.980 It's just like this

00:43:33.320 but it's a lot of things

00:43:34.460 that I can't accept it fully.

00:43:36.260 Listen, listen.

00:43:37.060 I wanted you to think logically

00:43:38.520 now at this moment.

00:43:39.400 Yeah?

00:43:40.040 You have agreed

00:43:41.040 that the things,

00:43:42.240 the beings

00:43:42.720 or the things

00:43:43.320 which is impossible,

00:43:44.500 you know,

00:43:44.900 impossible things to exist

00:43:45.920 which you accept this.

00:43:47.260 Logically, yeah?

00:43:48.200 You don't need your friend

00:43:49.140 to convince this to you.

00:43:50.620 Correct?

00:43:51.280 Yeah.

00:43:51.740 Yeah?

00:43:51.980 You don't need your friend

00:43:52.620 to convince.

00:43:53.040 Actually,

00:43:53.620 there could be a circle squared.

00:43:55.160 I mean...

00:43:55.760 You can't do it different

00:43:56.720 to tell you that.

00:43:57.300 Do you need your friend

00:43:57.940 to tell you that?

00:43:58.420 Of course, no.

00:43:58.900 He could.

00:43:59.160 And you need to go back

00:43:59.980 to him to ask him

00:44:00.640 is there a square circle?

00:44:02.520 No, no.

00:44:03.020 I will ask him about a lot

00:44:04.280 but not the square.

00:44:05.060 Okay, yeah.

00:44:05.480 Okay, good.

00:44:06.060 So, this is impossible to exist, yeah?

00:44:08.460 Yeah.

00:44:08.960 So, about the possible things to exist

00:44:10.920 which is things

00:44:11.900 which is dependent things.

00:44:13.740 All the things

00:44:14.940 within this universe,

00:44:16.320 everything is dependent

00:44:17.260 on something.

00:44:18.320 Correct?

00:44:18.880 You agree with this?

00:44:19.800 Yeah.

00:44:20.020 So, and then after that,

00:44:21.680 since you said

00:44:22.220 and there is a set amount

00:44:23.540 of energy

00:44:24.140 within this universe

00:44:25.040 that means it is dependent.

00:44:27.000 Correct?

00:44:27.220 You agreed with this so far.

00:44:30.020 If there is a set amount

00:44:30.780 of energy in the universe

00:44:31.880 then it is dependent.

00:44:33.120 Yes.

00:44:33.720 Yeah?

00:44:34.860 After that,

00:44:35.980 since we have this

00:44:37.540 that means this set amount

00:44:39.240 of energy

00:44:39.680 since this universe

00:44:40.500 is dependent

00:44:41.240 depending on what?

00:44:43.420 Something independent.

00:44:44.340 So, you have two options.

00:44:45.240 It depends on something

00:44:45.980 that is dependent

00:44:46.560 or it depends on something

00:44:47.420 that is independent.

00:44:48.000 Which one makes

00:44:48.420 more logical sense?

00:44:49.860 I think it makes

00:44:51.580 equal sense.

00:44:53.840 Okay.

00:44:54.180 Why wouldn't it?

00:44:55.480 If the universe depends

00:44:56.340 on something else

00:44:57.000 if that's dependent

00:44:57.600 if that's dependent

00:44:59.120 what does that depend on?

00:45:00.380 Then, well,

00:45:01.580 there's a chance

00:45:02.060 that it might depend

00:45:03.120 on something else

00:45:03.660 depend on something else

00:45:04.380 and eventually

00:45:04.940 it will depend

00:45:05.400 on independent.

00:45:06.080 No.

00:45:07.180 That could be.

00:45:08.060 Okay, okay, sure, sure.

00:45:08.880 Because what you've done is

00:45:09.720 you said it might depend

00:45:10.420 on something else

00:45:10.820 that depends on something else

00:45:11.420 that depends on something else.

00:45:11.820 Okay, eventually

00:45:12.640 it will be independent.

00:45:13.160 I'm saying to you

00:45:13.720 if you want to get it

00:45:14.380 from here to here

00:45:15.020 the independent being

00:45:15.540 or 500 million years later

00:45:16.660 I have no problem.

00:45:17.560 As long as the stopping point

00:45:18.780 is what is independent being.

00:45:19.760 Sure, sure.

00:45:20.480 This friend of yours

00:45:21.100 whoever it is

00:45:21.700 is he an ex-mussen

00:45:22.960 as well or something?

00:45:23.560 No, no.

00:45:24.560 No, I can meet him

00:45:25.260 any time.

00:45:25.720 No, I'm laughing at my phone.

00:45:28.200 But now so far, so far.

00:45:29.440 I can meet him.

00:45:30.580 Please.

00:45:31.440 I swear, I swear.

00:45:32.660 I would be there.

00:45:33.400 I just want to ask you, bro.

00:45:34.320 If you want the cameras off

00:45:35.520 I don't need this camera.

00:45:36.580 If it's going to

00:45:37.020 I can tell them to tell you.

00:45:38.600 No, no, it's okay.

00:45:39.320 It's okay.

00:45:39.640 I just want you to be comfortable, bro.

00:45:40.680 I'm not here to put the cameras off.

00:45:41.520 I don't care about this.

00:45:43.100 We care about you, my brother.

00:45:44.240 Yes, I just care about you.

00:45:45.360 Thank you.

00:45:45.580 I just want you to know

00:45:46.580 just tell me

00:45:47.060 I don't want the cameras.

00:45:47.720 Bye-bye.

00:45:48.120 Sure, sure, sure.

00:45:48.680 The only reason I ask that

00:45:49.880 is because there's many people

00:45:50.920 that ask questions like you.

00:45:52.220 Yeah.

00:45:52.400 And they will reach them.

00:45:52.960 That's the only reason why.

00:45:53.660 If you go out.

00:45:54.640 Yeah, so now.

00:45:56.040 So now.

00:45:56.760 So, yeah.

00:45:57.200 You let us know where you're comfortable.

00:45:58.160 If you want everybody out

00:45:58.940 everybody will go out.

00:45:59.760 Yeah?

00:46:00.140 No, you are welcome.

00:46:01.000 If you want me to go

00:46:01.760 I'll go as well.

00:46:02.520 Okay?

00:46:03.260 I think let Ali go.

00:46:04.520 I think that's the easiest option.

00:46:05.920 Yeah, I think Ali should just go.

00:46:06.960 He talks too much, right?

00:46:08.020 I'm a dependent being.

00:46:09.460 Yeah.

00:46:10.060 Listen to this.

00:46:10.700 So, wait one second.

00:46:11.800 Establish this.

00:46:12.760 So, you agree

00:46:13.480 there is the starting point

00:46:16.160 which is an independent being.

00:46:17.720 Correct?

00:46:18.360 You agreed on this.

00:46:19.260 Yeah.

00:46:19.600 So, that independent being

00:46:21.140 has certain characteristics.

00:46:22.980 Correct?

00:46:24.020 Has to.

00:46:24.720 It has to.

00:46:25.740 It's a being has to.

00:46:27.100 All-knowing.

00:46:28.240 Power.

00:46:29.060 Powerful.

00:46:29.580 Powerful.

00:46:30.040 No, before that

00:46:30.580 the universe

00:46:31.980 he created the universe.

00:46:33.800 So, which means

00:46:34.980 he willed the universe to come.

00:46:36.620 So, he has a will.

00:46:38.340 What do you mean?

00:46:39.040 He willed the universe to come.

00:46:41.320 The universe

00:46:41.720 he started the universe, yeah?

00:46:43.380 Yeah.

00:46:43.720 He willed it.

00:46:44.220 He has a will.

00:46:44.680 Since he has an will.

00:46:45.440 He has a will.

00:46:46.000 I have a will.

00:46:47.280 Since he has knowledge

00:46:48.160 he has a will.

00:46:48.840 Yes.

00:46:49.040 Sure.

00:46:49.620 Good.

00:46:50.160 So, he has a will.

00:46:51.360 Because he has knowledge.

00:46:52.200 Good.

00:46:52.740 So, if he has a will

00:46:53.620 he has to have knowledge.

00:46:55.240 If he has knowledge

00:46:55.960 there is power.

00:46:58.180 If there is power

00:46:59.000 for example

00:46:59.520 he has to be all-knowing.

00:47:01.140 All-knowing.

00:47:01.980 Why?

00:47:02.280 Because there is

00:47:02.860 things that happen.

00:47:03.740 So, now what we have done is

00:47:04.740 you can

00:47:05.300 when you come and say

00:47:06.000 why not theism.

00:47:06.500 This is the same thing

00:47:07.260 you repeated the long.

00:47:08.200 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:47:08.860 So, what I am saying

00:47:09.660 is those attributes

00:47:10.600 now what we are doing

00:47:11.460 is we are going

00:47:12.200 from deism to theism

00:47:13.840 because we are saying

00:47:14.900 for example

00:47:15.580 you know when you look

00:47:16.100 at a painting

00:47:16.580 when you look at a painting

00:47:17.980 I know a lot about

00:47:18.740 the painter

00:47:19.340 by looking at the picture

00:47:20.100 the painting, yeah?

00:47:22.120 Why?

00:47:22.540 Because I am like

00:47:23.020 wow, okay first

00:47:23.680 number one

00:47:24.000 Like Van Gogh.

00:47:24.760 Van Gogh, yeah.

00:47:25.380 Number one, he exists.

00:47:26.700 Number two, he is bloody good

00:47:27.720 at what he does.

00:47:28.420 Number three, he is intelligent.

00:47:29.540 It is not that good.

00:47:30.180 It is bad or bad.

00:47:31.900 Let's go with subjective, yeah?

00:47:33.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:33.440 So, we look at a painting

00:47:34.660 and we know

00:47:36.260 quite a bit about the painter.

00:47:38.480 So, the same thing

00:47:39.120 with the universe.

00:47:39.840 We look at certain things

00:47:40.780 in the universe

00:47:41.240 we see DNA.

00:47:42.480 DNA has information, correct?

00:47:44.100 Yeah.

00:47:44.560 DNA has a

00:47:45.120 you know this much of DNA

00:47:46.420 can have all the information

00:47:47.760 in the world.

00:47:48.760 You know our planet?

00:47:49.760 It can be stored

00:47:50.540 in a DNA this big.

00:47:51.860 Yeah.

00:47:52.180 Did you know that?

00:47:52.820 No.

00:47:52.960 So now, yeah, yeah.

00:47:53.860 Our DNA has...

00:47:54.620 No, no, I didn't know.

00:47:55.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:55.740 Okay, so for example...

00:47:56.520 I have to go in

00:47:57.300 five minutes though.

00:47:58.280 Five minutes to wrap it up.

00:47:59.000 I'm actually...

00:47:59.820 Yeah.

00:48:00.100 That's fine.

00:48:00.520 So, what we're going to do

00:48:01.160 is this here.

00:48:01.760 DNA has information.

00:48:03.300 Information requires

00:48:04.060 intelligence.

00:48:05.880 So, what we're saying is

00:48:06.920 you see when we say

00:48:07.580 he has to be the all-knowing,

00:48:08.500 the all-powerful.

00:48:09.600 This is why we say

00:48:10.340 he has to be Allah.

00:48:12.540 That's what he has to be.

00:48:12.980 And that's the attribute of God.

00:48:14.940 The attribute of God.

00:48:15.960 All-knowing.

00:48:16.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:17.260 The main thing.

00:48:21.860 There was all kind.

00:48:22.880 Yes.

00:48:23.180 Yeah, or Allah.

00:48:23.920 Yeah, it was all kind.

00:48:24.800 That's the three.

00:48:25.520 Which answers your question,

00:48:26.580 by the way.

00:48:27.200 Shaykh, which answers your question

00:48:28.040 about the hellfire.

00:48:29.360 What does Allah say in the Quran?

00:48:30.740 What will I get out of punishing you?

00:48:33.420 Allah, do you know Allah?

00:48:34.280 Have you read this in the Quran?

00:48:36.100 Allah says,

00:48:36.860 what will I get out of punishing you?

00:48:39.060 Allah does not want

00:48:39.860 to punish his servants.

00:48:41.020 This concept of Allah

00:48:42.180 is someone that wants

00:48:43.080 everyone to go hellfire.

00:48:44.140 It's not the concept of the Lord

00:48:45.500 that we...

00:48:45.680 I don't believe...

00:48:46.180 No, I don't believe it is.

00:48:46.900 So, when you talk about the punishment,

00:48:48.400 the punishment is there

00:48:49.620 because for those people

00:48:51.020 who do evil.

00:48:52.160 Do you understand?

00:48:52.740 So, just to answer

00:48:53.280 your second question,

00:48:53.860 because you said you have five minutes.

00:48:55.700 Sorry, I checked wrongly.

00:48:57.160 Oh, I do have five minutes here.

00:48:58.620 Oh, he's going to say

00:48:59.160 I checked wrongly after 10 minutes.

00:49:00.060 Why?

00:49:00.840 Listen.

00:49:01.680 Someone will come for me

00:49:02.580 in five minutes,

00:49:03.240 so that's why I have to...

00:49:04.040 Really?

00:49:04.060 No problem.

00:49:04.540 You'll come for him

00:49:05.060 if they come for you.

00:49:05.860 Yeah, you're brothers, right?

00:49:07.660 He's coming for you.

00:49:08.200 He's coming for you.

00:49:08.540 Send me location.

00:49:10.020 Where's the challenge?

00:49:11.340 Send me location.

00:49:12.540 So, what was your question

00:49:13.600 about the hellfire?

00:49:14.980 Yeah, so about the hellfire...

00:49:16.200 Before the hellfire,

00:49:17.040 by the way,

00:49:17.400 did you establish this?

00:49:18.420 Yes.

00:49:18.640 Brother, listen.

00:49:21.520 You said there is

00:49:22.500 an independent being.

00:49:24.000 You said you accepted this so far.

00:49:26.100 Let alone what this guy

00:49:27.760 is nagging in your brain now.

00:49:29.220 I'm talking about the things,

00:49:30.240 the fact that you have it now.

00:49:31.780 Since you have established this,

00:49:34.020 there is an independent being.

00:49:35.340 That this independent being

00:49:36.880 is the one

00:49:37.560 that all this universe relies

00:49:39.260 on this independent being.

00:49:41.100 And this independent being

00:49:42.260 has certain characteristics

00:49:43.300 that all-powerful,

00:49:44.940 all-knowing,

00:49:45.480 has independent will.

00:49:46.920 Meaning,

00:49:47.840 that he has the power

00:49:49.500 to create this universe.

00:49:50.760 He has the knowledge

00:49:51.480 to create this universe.

00:49:53.120 And he has a will.

00:49:54.260 And this will

00:49:54.880 has no influence

00:49:56.340 by no one

00:49:57.180 except his own will

00:49:58.900 to decide to do things

00:50:00.380 and not to do things.

00:50:01.420 And that is basically

00:50:02.360 the definition of God.

00:50:03.360 So, if you accept this,

00:50:05.920 that means you are a believer.

00:50:07.220 Like, logically.

00:50:07.920 Forget your friend.

00:50:08.600 Yeah, you accept.

00:50:09.280 Just logically.

00:50:09.820 One second.

00:50:10.180 Do you accept this?

00:50:11.420 Do you accept this?

00:50:12.400 What we said?

00:50:14.160 Leave your friend

00:50:14.820 who's nagging in your brain.

00:50:15.860 I'm talking about now.

00:50:16.580 Yeah, I know.

00:50:18.580 Do you accept this?

00:50:19.980 Well, it's because of

00:50:20.960 the way that you...

00:50:22.960 No, no, it's logical.

00:50:24.120 Look, it's not us.

00:50:24.920 A five-year-old boy

00:50:26.280 can say the same thing.

00:50:27.040 No, no.

00:50:27.580 No, I don't.

00:50:28.560 I believe it's different.

00:50:29.440 I have believed

00:50:30.240 a lot of people

00:50:30.800 that convinced me

00:50:31.740 in an argument

00:50:32.120 in a certain way

00:50:32.880 and then after

00:50:33.500 I think about it

00:50:34.580 I think,

00:50:35.040 no, actually,

00:50:35.740 it wasn't true.

00:50:36.420 But right now

00:50:36.880 I do accept it.

00:50:37.940 Okay, right now

00:50:38.200 does it make sense?

00:50:38.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:39.620 Your friend,

00:50:40.920 I don't mind meeting him

00:50:41.780 tomorrow or any way you like.

00:50:43.000 We can meet with him.

00:50:43.680 Are you sure?

00:50:44.540 I promise you...

00:50:45.600 Sorry, don't swear.

00:50:46.340 No, no, no.

00:50:47.440 Yes, wallahi.

00:50:48.520 I will meet him.

00:50:49.280 Yeah?

00:50:49.700 Yes, no problem, yeah?

00:50:50.640 Just send me location.

00:50:51.640 Send location.

00:50:52.460 I want a friendly discussion, yeah?

00:50:54.120 Of course, of course.

00:50:54.980 No, no.

00:50:55.520 He's the nicest guy.

00:50:56.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:57.260 Yes, hopefully

00:50:58.120 we'll have a discussion with him.

00:50:59.040 Nothing ego, nothing that.

00:51:00.420 So we would arrange that, yeah?

00:51:01.720 But so far,

00:51:03.020 I would say,

00:51:03.700 logically,

00:51:04.160 you're a smart man.

00:51:05.240 You know it makes sense.

00:51:06.140 We're talking logically.

00:51:06.940 I didn't do anything special.

00:51:07.780 I didn't do hocus pocus here.

00:51:08.920 I'm just telling you,

00:51:09.640 logically, it follows.

00:51:11.060 So therefore,

00:51:12.080 would you accept that

00:51:12.740 there has to be a dependent being

00:51:13.860 and he has attributes?

00:51:15.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:15.660 Perfect.

00:51:16.100 Okay, that's good.

00:51:16.720 So what would be the next question

00:51:17.400 when you said about the hellfire?

00:51:20.760 I think,

00:51:21.560 well, I'm still not done

00:51:22.320 about free will,

00:51:22.860 but we can...

00:51:24.000 Okay.

00:51:24.380 It's okay.

00:51:24.960 We can pass it.

00:51:25.820 But this goes back

00:51:26.700 to your answer

00:51:27.080 of the independent being.

00:51:28.180 He has to be the most just.

00:51:29.080 If he's the most just,

00:51:30.480 it means that he cannot

00:51:31.620 punish his servants

00:51:33.260 if he has preordained

00:51:35.660 them to enter the fire.

00:51:37.360 He has to be the all just.

00:51:38.680 Meaning,

00:51:39.380 justice means that

00:51:40.680 if he's the most merciful,

00:51:41.820 in the Quran,

00:51:42.320 every single chapter

00:51:42.880 except when it says

00:51:43.440 Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,

00:51:44.660 that means

00:51:45.020 if he's the most merciful

00:51:45.820 and he's the most just

00:51:46.560 and he's also said

00:51:47.280 I've negated injustice to myself.

00:51:49.120 Don't oppress.

00:51:50.080 Meaning,

00:51:51.120 if we live on this earth,

00:51:52.140 it has to be

00:51:53.600 that we have free will.

00:51:55.680 Because otherwise,

00:51:56.720 that means he's going to

00:51:57.460 throw me in hellfire

00:51:58.140 to something I didn't do

00:51:59.060 but he got me to do.

00:52:00.320 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:52:00.920 Yeah,

00:52:01.300 that's my whole point.

00:52:01.960 That's why I don't believe.

00:52:03.000 That's why I connected you

00:52:03.940 back to his attribute.

00:52:04.840 Which is what?

00:52:05.460 If he is the all just,

00:52:07.260 that means

00:52:07.880 he has given me faculties

00:52:09.480 to make.

00:52:10.140 Allah says in the Quran,

00:52:11.040 But what does all just mean?

00:52:12.820 All just means the following.

00:52:14.040 You will never stand

00:52:15.160 in front of him

00:52:15.820 and say,

00:52:16.900 God Almighty,

00:52:17.960 you misjudge me.

00:52:19.800 I'm going to the fire

00:52:20.720 because it was in my form.

00:52:22.200 Never.

00:52:22.560 You know what Allah says in the Quran?

00:52:23.640 The people of the fire

00:52:24.520 will say,

00:52:25.280 they will not say,

00:52:26.080 Allah, you wronged us.

00:52:27.120 They will say,

00:52:27.660 please give us another chance.

00:52:28.740 Meaning the following.

00:52:29.700 When we stand in front of God,

00:52:31.680 there's going to be

00:52:32.460 ultimate,

00:52:33.420 absolute,

00:52:34.160 objective justice

00:52:35.280 that you are going to know

00:52:36.700 there is no shadow of a doubt

00:52:38.240 that people are in the fire

00:52:39.160 for a good reason.

00:52:40.500 People are in paradise

00:52:41.320 for a good reason.

00:52:42.240 There's not going to be,

00:52:43.460 you know what,

00:52:44.260 God actually wronged that guy,

00:52:45.360 Adam there.

00:52:46.200 But I don't,

00:52:47.180 yeah.

00:52:47.480 It cannot be.

00:52:47.840 It's an impossibility.

00:52:49.140 It's impossible.

00:52:49.840 It's impossible

00:52:50.240 because if he is the independent being,

00:52:52.240 self-sufficient,

00:52:53.000 and he has these attributes,

00:52:54.620 if one of his attributes

00:52:55.460 is that he's the most just,

00:52:56.780 if he's the most just,

00:52:57.620 it is impossible

00:52:58.660 that how could he throw someone

00:53:00.440 in hellfire

00:53:01.040 that doesn't deserve that?

00:53:02.440 It's an impossibility

00:53:03.120 because he didn't do it.

00:53:05.140 How is he the old just

00:53:06.040 when he's throwing people

00:53:06.640 in hellfire

00:53:07.200 that don't deserve it

00:53:07.960 and he gives Hitler jannah?

00:53:10.000 It does not follow.

00:53:11.540 Do you get it?

00:53:12.180 That's why his attribute necessitates

00:53:14.560 he has to be the old just

00:53:16.120 people in the fire,

00:53:16.900 deserve the fire,

00:53:17.680 and also there's going to be

00:53:18.320 Muslims in the fire

00:53:18.980 who did wrong,

00:53:19.860 who did atrocities,

00:53:20.720 but they will not be in fire forever.

00:53:22.160 They will do their time

00:53:23.020 and eventually will enter power.

00:53:25.480 Okay.

00:53:25.860 Does that make sense?

00:53:26.560 I want to speak to you soon,

00:53:27.580 okay?

00:53:27.740 Sure.

00:53:28.020 I have to go.

00:53:28.800 By the way,

00:53:29.200 does that,

00:53:29.620 listen,

00:53:30.820 everything that we said,

00:53:32.560 does it make sense to you

00:53:33.440 with your own logic,

00:53:34.400 let alone the other things?

00:53:36.000 Does it make sense?

00:53:39.800 Half and half.

00:53:41.040 Can I ask you a question?

00:53:41.680 I swear, half and half.

00:53:42.380 Yeah, of course.

00:53:42.700 He's like, by the way,

00:53:43.560 you know?

00:53:44.060 Even about,

00:53:44.640 one second,

00:53:45.060 you know,

00:53:46.980 the idea is what we said to you,

00:53:48.440 all these things,

00:53:49.600 because what happens,

00:53:50.680 it happens a lot,

00:53:51.580 by the way,

00:53:51.900 when someone is convinced

00:53:53.700 with the truth

00:53:54.220 and finds the truth,

00:53:55.060 but they said,

00:53:55.660 okay,

00:53:56.220 they just want to turn a blind eye

00:53:57.640 about the things

00:53:58.180 that they found,

00:53:58.720 their own selves.

00:53:59.700 We have established now

00:54:00.980 and demonstrated now

00:54:02.000 that there is an independent being

00:54:04.200 that all this universe

00:54:05.500 relies on it,

00:54:06.760 yeah?

00:54:07.740 And on him.

00:54:08.540 and this independent being

00:54:10.740 has the certain characteristics.

00:54:13.640 We establish this.

00:54:15.340 Then why we have to reopen this again?

00:54:18.300 Why we have to re-discuss it again?

00:54:20.140 We have already established it.

00:54:21.520 We have already accepted it.

00:54:22.640 He already believes this.

00:54:23.760 He already believes this, sir.

00:54:25.380 I think you have...

00:54:25.700 No, he said half and half.

00:54:26.860 No, no, half and half,

00:54:27.880 meaning those questions,

00:54:28.760 because he said

00:54:29.060 he has more questions.

00:54:30.060 He's saying those ones are covered.

00:54:31.580 It's just the others,

00:54:32.300 if I'm not mistaken.

00:54:33.280 No, not per se, no.

00:54:34.860 Also, no, no,

00:54:35.880 he understood me right.

00:54:37.820 So basically,

00:54:38.280 you're saying

00:54:38.540 you still have a question mark

00:54:39.320 on the dependent

00:54:39.840 and the attributes?

00:54:40.960 Yeah.

00:54:41.420 I still have a question mark

00:54:42.820 on if God exists.

00:54:45.200 Okay, what's the question mark?

00:54:46.180 I can't dive deep into it right now.

00:54:48.480 Are you here for longer?

00:54:50.060 Because I can...

00:54:50.760 We're here till tomorrow.

00:54:51.800 What time are you finished?

00:54:52.960 No, but like tonight as well.

00:54:54.060 What time are you finished?

00:54:54.280 I can come back

00:54:54.840 in about half an hour.

00:54:55.800 That's right.

00:54:56.260 Okay, we'll wait for you.

00:54:57.900 I will come back, okay?

00:54:59.080 Can you bring a friend?

00:55:00.840 I will call him, okay?

00:55:01.780 Ask him if you can come as well.

00:55:03.100 I will call him.

00:55:03.840 I don't know if he's going to say it.

00:55:05.140 Actually, listen.

00:55:06.660 What's the main reason

00:55:07.720 you left Islam?

00:55:08.500 I don't think it's a logical reason, though.

00:55:10.540 Why I went for Islam?

00:55:11.800 No, no, why did you leave Islam?

00:55:13.320 Like, what's the main...

00:55:14.120 No, it's not a logical reason.

00:55:15.360 It's not.

00:55:15.680 It was a process of...

00:55:16.900 Okay, what?

00:55:17.320 Of slowly.

00:55:18.040 What was it?

00:55:19.240 There has to be something

00:55:19.920 because I don't think it's logical

00:55:20.780 because we've discussed

00:55:21.560 the logical thing.

00:55:22.340 No, I think...

00:55:23.100 You're intelligent.

00:55:23.700 I still don't believe in free will.

00:55:25.580 I still don't.

00:55:27.220 No, no, okay, but what's...

00:55:28.200 We don't have the belief

00:55:30.100 in the absolute free will.

00:55:31.180 Well, I chose...

00:55:33.440 No, I don't choose to believe it.

00:55:35.180 I believe it.

00:55:36.300 Did you choose to think like this?

00:55:38.320 But that's not free will.

00:55:39.120 That's the determinants.

00:55:40.460 Wait, wait, but...

00:55:41.960 Are you...

00:55:42.420 But now we're going...

00:55:43.500 Listen, you confuse yourself now.

00:55:44.980 You just contradict yourself now.

00:55:46.240 How?

00:55:46.540 You said now,

00:55:47.760 I believe this,

00:55:49.200 and then you said

00:55:49.760 you choose to believe this.

00:55:51.360 No, no, I said

00:55:51.800 I don't choose to believe it.

00:55:53.000 I believe it.

00:55:53.580 Oh, okay, so that's the...

00:55:54.600 So you don't believe in free will?

00:55:56.200 No, I don't.

00:55:56.940 I don't, no.

00:55:57.760 Yeah, it's fine.

00:55:58.480 So you don't believe in...

00:55:59.560 You don't believe in free will.

00:56:01.160 You believe in determinism.

00:56:04.320 I don't believe...

00:56:04.960 Yeah, I don't believe in free will.

00:56:05.900 I believe in determinism.

00:56:06.680 Okay, but if we go back to

00:56:07.780 necessary being his attributes,

00:56:10.260 he has to be the all just.

00:56:12.920 He has to be.

00:56:13.500 It's a necessity.

00:56:14.540 That's what he says.

00:56:15.800 His attributes are necessities as well, yeah?

00:56:17.980 Thank you.

Ali Dawah - December 30, 2024

ATHEIST ENTERS MOSQUE QUESTIONING ISLAM - PART 1

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