In this episode, we have a discussion about the creation of the universe, and the argument that the universe came about by chance or by design. Is it possible that there is no such thing as creation by chance? Do you agree or disagree with this argument?
00:02:48.000If I went to the DNA, a single strand of the DNA, a single strand of the DNA has more information in it than every single book on this planet.
00:02:55.000That means, if there's information there, it requires what?
00:03:25.000information. Look into my eyes. That is the structure of active information. Ansar, are you speaking for the sake of it now or are you rejecting this argument?
00:03:31.400The point doesn't make sense. Okay. It makes perfect sense. You know it's double standards to come to this book, a mere book, and look at it and say this information requires intelligence and go to a DNA which the evolutions don't even know where it came from.
00:03:44.880One second, one second, one second. Why don't you just say that because this has information in it, therefore God must have done this as well.
00:03:52.000Because you know human beings done this. God created the one who made this. So why couldn't God have created nature to make the DNA?
00:04:00.000What are you talking about? Don't run away from the topic. Bro, if you only insist on information equals intelligence, then you could just as well say that the DNA code in nature is also the intelligence behind it was God.
00:04:14.000You just do that all the time anyway. Ansar, a person, I'm not gonna, I've talked to you before, a person who's genuine sincere will say, you know what Ali?
00:04:21.000That makes sense. It doesn't make sense. And if you say it doesn't make sense, you are lying to your own self.
00:04:28.000I want to make something really clear, yeah? This is why I said, when I use this argument, and by the way, I'm not using this argument to prove the point that Ali Dawah won. No. I just want the truth to be spoken.
00:04:38.000Ali, Ali. This is not, this is not, this is not, this is,
00:04:41.000Who about you? Ali, who about you? Ali, who about you? Ali, come on, bro.
00:04:45.000Don't mess with my intention. That's not a strong point, bro.
00:04:47.000Now, now, now, now, listen, listen, listen. Anyone that's watching this at home that has an utter way of sincerity will say, you know what, fam, that clicked.
00:04:53.000clicked just looking look i'm not here to win an argument or to say it like yeah no i'm not here
00:04:56.980for that it's not about ego thing so this is about truth i showed him a simple example and this is
00:05:01.660what i call double standards and hypocrisy and i don't like it be honest you're not rejecting a
00:05:05.980book that has an offer and i said can i can this come by chance you said of course not of course
00:05:09.660not somebody because it's written in a human language a dna look a dna that's not written in
00:05:13.400the human language yeah because human beings once looked at nature and translated it into letters
00:05:18.300for our own convenience just say to me just say to me ali i'm gonna look into don't even don't
00:05:23.060make excuses for it the dna has more complicated is more complicated more sophisticated than this book
00:05:29.700it has information which requires intelligence you can't run away from it so ansar i ask you and i
00:05:37.700pray for you brother don't get bored with this atheist vibe thing look into it i don't know what
00:05:43.300happened with you what you went through we are human beings no no no no i'm telling you the heart
00:05:47.960heart to heart bro i'm not even look i'm talking to the other brother because i love you i'm talking
00:05:51.980heart to heart yeah but that argument is no good bro ansar listen to me bro i don't know what's
00:05:56.340happening look i have i've gone through things in my life yeah but just because i go through them
00:05:59.860and go through hard times bro it doesn't mean i reject my faith basis and jump into something that's
00:06:04.380crazy atheism yeah i still see you as a brother i still believe look look look listen all i'm saying is
00:06:11.260all i'm saying is fam listen don't just go in this wave of atheism because you know brother look i'll give you
00:06:17.900a simple example your heart and i told you bro i told you that you equating the fact that information
00:06:25.040in a book that we can logically infer must have had an intelligent human being right it's a bloody book
00:06:30.100in a human language like who wouldn't infer that now then you to turn around and say this is exactly
00:06:35.140the same thing when you look at nature and the dna code that some some agency must have designed the
00:06:42.040dna code nah bro that's nature okay that's the product of the physical laws okay where did okay
00:06:47.180i'm going to make it simple yes where did what where did this complex dna came from it was it came
00:06:52.420over evolution and nature where's your evidence because even even darwin even darwin he stops at
00:06:57.760evolution yeah most of these they stop i mean they stop at the uh the first uh cell yeah they stop
00:07:03.520there how are you making claims that big scientists haven't done well actually you're wrong there
00:07:08.700because any development after the first cell is classified as evolution when different when
00:07:15.080you got different before the first cell before the first yeah i'm just clarifying before the first
00:07:19.700cell was formed you have a process called abiogenesis which is the theory of how we got from chemicals
00:07:26.400to biology yeah which is the first living cell now the theory of that is that there's about six
00:07:31.920stages that non uh living uh material no materials happen to get together and form amino acids get
00:07:40.780together and form chains i got together and form rna rna was the precursor to dna three out of these
00:07:47.300six processes have been replicated in scientific laboratories already yeah now it's not a conclusive
00:07:52.280theory but it is a very good understanding of how we got dna which is through rna no sorry sorry
00:07:59.240so to form a protein 150 amino acids long you've got a one in two chance at each site of getting
00:08:08.320the correct type of linkage so you got one in two times one in two times one in two times one in two
00:08:13.640to the what power that linkages we have 149 but call it 150 it turns out that one in two to the 150
00:08:20.640is equal is the same number as 10 to the 45th one in 10 to the 45 so now we got two incredibly
00:08:28.040improbable things that we've got to overcome to build a functional protein by chance alone one
00:08:32.320more problem when you're building proteins amino acids come in two flavors there is a left-handed
00:08:38.700flavor and a right-handed flavor they're called optical isomers not flavors okay and the left-handed
00:08:44.440version is the only kind that can be used in building proteins get even one right-handed amino acid
00:08:51.200in there and your protein won't fold properly so you got another probabilistic hurdle to overcome
00:08:56.900so you've got a one in two chance at each side again out to the 150th power two to the 150th power
00:09:04.860again is 10 to the 45 oh my goodness so the odds of building even a short functional protein by chance
00:09:12.480alone is 74 plus 40 thank you very much okay wow now can anyone get their mind around a number that
00:09:23.660big there's only 10 to the 80th elementary particles in the entire universe there's only 10 to the 16th
00:09:30.100seconds since the big bang there's only 10 to the 139th total events since the beginning of the
00:09:36.100universe now you're starting to get the understanding of why people are very skeptical but the chance
00:09:40.820hypothesis is going to do the job has anyone ever gotten in a discussion with you about the origin
00:09:45.380of life and said hey it happened by chance i mean do you hear that i mean this happens to me i'm out
00:09:50.380and i'll be lecturing in hostile university environments and i'll i'll get done and somebody
00:09:54.800say well but but they want to argue with me about the probabilities and i just shut the discussion down
00:09:59.580because i say no serious scientist thinks this is the way it happened it's it's always going to be
00:10:04.440more probable that it didn't happen by chance than it did it's not my fault that he doesn't know none of
00:10:09.100the stuff no serious scientist thinks this is the way it happened brother you said to me what i
00:10:14.220should do is now go and research now brother if you are honest what you would do is go and research
00:10:19.220abiogenesis and rna scientists got so stuck with this you know what they said aliens bro it's still
00:10:26.760a possibility bro it's still a possibility there is another intriguing idea called panspermia which
00:10:34.920says that life could have originated somewhere else and have been spread from planet to planet
00:10:40.780by asteroids yeah it's still a possibility that the first they said fam how can we escape right the
00:10:49.420reason for that should i tell you the reason for that because they have found in in space chains of
00:10:54.080molecules which were the same chains of molecules are you hearing this bro alien just means no
00:10:59.520yeah extraterrestrial extraterrestrial i can't see you but with that argument i don't want to see
00:11:03.920you that was the definition of alien is not on our planet no no no god is alien sorry i don't know
00:11:11.040no he's just bro that's it the definition of an alien is outside of this planet yeah
00:11:15.100terra astral extra terra astral do you know do you know do you know what that means when scientists
00:11:20.760come and say fam first first cell aliens you know what that means no fam that's a joke don't listen
00:11:27.240to this guy imagine imagine a scientist coming and saying bro first cell fam how are we going to
00:11:32.420get out of this aliens all right bro that's a joke that is a joke can i explain what's really going on
00:11:37.600aliens wow i don't i'm a muslim i believe in that unseen fam i i wouldn't even say that okay
00:11:42.140fine fine fine but can i explain what's going on yeah now because it hasn't been conclusively
00:11:47.880demonstrated how we got from just chemistry and chemicals to a biological system of life it's not
00:11:53.700100 but a lot of the stages have been uh because there is some gaps there okay there are theories
00:12:00.020which say where did that first cell and those those chains come from yeah so there's a possibility
00:12:04.880that there was meteorites where we have found some of these chains already there that could have landed
00:12:10.240on earth and bought the first cell with it or bought the first combination of things to lead to
00:12:14.920the first cell you know this is a theory because it's not conclusive and they're open to other
00:12:19.040possibilities okay we don't know if it's true thank you but he just wants to say you just answer for
00:12:22.860me it's a theory we don't know we don't know in theory thank you that's enough that means you don't
00:12:27.400know fam it's a theory once your theory is solid then come and talk to me other than that why are you
00:12:31.040putting your whole um trust in something that's not don't i say to you i don't know didn't i say to you
00:12:35.620that i don't know then stick to that yeah so my position don't come and say don't come and don't
00:12:40.780dare to come to us and say about god because you have no leg to stand on of course i have a leg to
00:12:44.500stand on i gave you one argument that i used found just a book yeah and i told you to rub this
00:12:48.320argument your heart your heart couldn't deny your heart was that fam i allowed this bro how can you
00:12:51.440tell us in my heart how can you tell us in my heart listen listen no no you know why because you
00:12:54.880couldn't you couldn't you couldn't deny it guys i don't need to prove nothing to him you can
00:12:59.080obviously see why you don't need to prove yeah but i just want to explain you can you got your own
00:13:03.020ideas you got your own options all right you have to be real with yourself you can shut up a second
00:13:06.500yeah i'm talking to the guy here the fact is yeah you saying i've got not got a leg to stand on to
00:13:12.700criticize question allah yeah what the hell are you talking about i'm a human being i refer to
00:13:18.000scientific explanations for things when i find them convincing i still admit i still admit that
00:13:24.340i still admit that those scientific models that we use to explain and control future behavior
00:13:32.400bro just shut up a second yeah those models that we use yeah are reasonable because they're reliable
00:13:39.900they give us predictive explanatory power so i'm happy to refer to them now when it comes to things
00:13:46.320that we don't know about the origin of the universe whether infinity can exist i just say i don't know
00:13:51.280and the world's greatest experts say they don't know now this is a prime excuse for theists to come
00:13:57.040and say because some people don't know something and they're honest enough to admit that we can say
00:14:02.080we are sure we've got a magical explanation no no no what we say is we admire your honesty but stick
00:14:06.860to your lane that's what we say no no no no no my lane is my lane is why should i believe that
00:14:11.900there's any dimension outside of the physical reality it does can something come from nothing
00:14:15.760i don't know i don't know how do you know