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00:00:11.760 so brothers and sisters who are watching this welcome inshallah so this video i really want

00:00:18.400 you guys to pay attention we're going to try to keep it under 30 minutes and we want to cover some

00:00:22.740 areas uh when it comes to consciousness because it's something i am i would like to understand

00:00:30.060 more better because i don't usually use it in my arguments when i'm having a discussion with atheists

00:00:34.960 but like brothers like jake and ustad sharif are people who have been in the field for a long time

00:00:41.320 who are doing amazing work um and really wanted to you know i wanted to give them my platform as

00:00:47.300 well in the context because i believe you know they do brilliant work hamdulillah and we're going

00:00:51.080 to try to keep it you know simple as much as possible inshallah but it's a very powerful

00:00:55.380 argument for those out there the muslim youth that you can use if you're having a discussion with your

00:00:58.960 atheist friends and in general there might be non-muslims that's watching this we can have an

00:01:04.100 understanding because we do have a story of a specific atheist brother we'll say atheist brother

00:01:10.160 how is how does atheist well they're brothers in humanity anyways but he's a muslim now so the the

00:01:15.940 question is and he had his own youtube channel he was known in the atheist circles um and for him

00:01:21.000 to accept islam via this argument i'm sure it's going to leave you guys interested as much as me

00:01:26.260 to find out what what what did you guys start sharif i think he was involved brother jake was involved

00:01:32.020 if i'm not mistaken what is it that you convinced him of that he it was it was a it changed his whole

00:01:39.840 you know perception about his world view so i want to start off um i don't know it's up to you guys

00:01:46.740 but let's see let's go brother sharif can go first yeah yeah okay okay okay so so so this this brother

00:01:56.600 when he was an atheist we went through various arguments for the existence of the creator allah

00:02:01.920 and he seemed to acknowledge that these are strong good arguments but he couldn't let go of materialism

00:02:09.680 yeah so this idea that everything that exists is basically a product of the physical material world

00:02:16.780 and so a few weeks ago uh we had alhamdulillah we had hamza solstice on other brothers talking about

00:02:25.080 materialism and more specifically consciousness the hard problem of consciousness and then after the show

00:02:31.880 which he did watch we then had a follow-up discussion with him and he finally accepted this idea that

00:02:38.520 materialism is not the fundamental thing that can explain everything including consciousness and so

00:02:45.400 really it was this discussion about consciousness that opened his eyes to say that there are pauses or

00:02:52.280 things within the universe that exist that cannot be explained purely from a materialistic perspective

00:02:57.880 and this is what many of the philosophers in science uh say philosophers in uh in on the mind

00:03:04.500 many neuroscientists they call the hard problem of consciousness which is basically trying to explain

00:03:10.920 why or how materialism produces consciousness and they say that many of them say there's an unbridgeable

00:03:18.540 gap there's an inability to bridge physical things and the emergence of consciousness within human beings

00:03:26.160 so that's okay that's brilliant so now how would we like what what is in a nutshell can someone explain

00:03:36.220 okay when we say materialism um can we just give a understanding of what exactly that is what um where is it

00:03:43.720 used um etc and in what way is it used um so brother j can you explain to us when we say materialism

00:03:50.380 what exactly are we talking about you know we're talking about materialistic people are we talking about

00:03:53.860 people are off the money are we talking about something else yeah yeah no we're not talking

00:03:57.940 about it in that sense we're talking about it in uh philosophical worldview sense so materialism

00:04:04.640 basically refers to the idea that all that exists is just matter in motion so the physical stuff that

00:04:11.860 we see atoms molecules that kind of thing they say that's all that exists the idea of things like god or

00:04:20.400 angels anything like that that doesn't exist because they're not physical objects um so that's

00:04:26.760 basically what materialism is in a nutshell okay um and and obviously that for example a lot of

00:04:34.080 scientists and the scientific method of using our five sentence senses uh to come to conclusions

00:04:39.680 by the scientific method so we're basically saying that uh there is more than our senses in a nutshell

00:04:46.240 so you know um um smell touch here see taste yeah so so these senses we're seeing there is a different

00:04:57.360 world bigger than this in a nutshell right right right and and the materialists reject that and so

00:05:03.920 when we talk about consciousness related to that we're saying that consciousness doesn't fit under

00:05:10.700 materialism it's it's something else above that that can't be explained by you know just

00:05:16.100 matter in motion scientists or people in that atheists reject that notion they believe everything

00:05:23.260 is materialistic everything that's um okay so ustad sharif let's get into it so tell us a bit about

00:05:30.580 consciousness you know um what what do you mean by it to break it down to us inshallah let's understand

00:05:36.620 when you say consciousness what is it you know um you know is it someone saying i'm a conscious person

00:05:41.160 is that what we're talking about you know is it you know delve into a little bit more inshallah

00:05:44.500 yeah you know with your consciousness of course you know yeah yeah it's not it's not too complicated

00:05:50.580 this discussion about consciousness because we're all conscious so we all have that experience and

00:05:54.900 what is that experience it's the first person experience of the world around us it's the ability

00:06:01.140 to be aware that we are aware yeah so you know it's not we're not just a robot when you look at a

00:06:06.940 robot even a computer the computer is not aware of its own existence it's not aware of the experiences

00:06:12.620 that it's having so it's having the awareness of experience and there's that's the first part of

00:06:17.860 consciousness the second part of consciousness is let's say jake's hat jake's hat is red yeah now we

00:06:25.060 have a particular way of experiencing that hat that is not explained in any of the physical components

00:06:32.080 of the hat so we look at the color red we can say from a scientific materialistic point of view

00:06:38.000 that it's the reflection of light at a specific wavelength at a specific energy yeah so these are

00:06:43.840 the properties of light now everything that i described in the properties of light do not explain

00:06:50.660 anything of the property of the color red yeah so redness of that hat is something that emerges in

00:06:58.200 our mind it's a conscious experience not something that comes from the physical yeah another example just

00:07:05.020 to explain that point is if you had a person who's blind from birth and you would try to explain to

00:07:10.700 them about photons or particles or atoms you could probably explain it to them yeah you'd explain

00:07:16.820 you know maybe the mathematics of it all of these things but i couldn't explain to a person who's been

00:07:22.980 blind from birth what the color red looks like yeah what this experience is it's indescribable

00:07:30.280 in that sense whereas science looks at what is describable in a third person objective way

00:07:37.300 but consciousness is a first person conscious experience or subjective experience it's what i

00:07:43.160 experience and what conscious people experience and it's something that comes about not because of

00:07:49.060 the physical properties within matter so basically it's a personal experience you know uh like how it is

00:07:57.120 for me to have for example my mom always says you know when it comes to uh flavors and colors and

00:08:03.220 choices these are things that you can't argue with because each person has his own you can't go to

00:08:08.000 someone and say no why don't you try this food it's very nice and they're like i tried i don't like it

00:08:12.080 no why it's very nice that's his experience that he's had with that you know i'll come from a kurdish

00:08:16.940 turkish background you know let's talk about chicken donah kebabia why not you know if somebody if i

00:08:21.140 say i don't like having chicken donah at all some i say no actually i'd love it i have it every day

00:08:26.020 but it's a personal experience how it tastes to me my experience with it um you know and that goes

00:08:32.160 with everything so you're saying each person has that uh innate experience um with everything around

00:08:38.620 like even pain even emotion even sadness you know one person you know like sometimes and this is very

00:08:44.140 interesting because you know allah says in the quran that he will not uh test us with things that we

00:08:48.480 cannot bear and that's very interesting because that changes from individual to individual

00:08:52.600 because if somebody like i've seen people who have lost their children yeah and i know some people if

00:08:58.580 they lost their children they might psychologically could destroy them but to some people it's like

00:09:03.480 you look at them and they're like like wow like if that was me man if i was in your position

00:09:07.840 i would i would be like i don't know how i would have handled it but you look at certain people and

00:09:12.700 how allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has created different people in different ways that their test to them is

00:09:17.700 different to yours what you that you know what you might deem to be you know really hard or whatever

00:09:22.800 it may be like you can't bear another person you get what i'm trying to say it's like allah's

00:09:26.980 created in that in we have that inner consciousness inner experience in different ways and we're tested

00:09:32.520 via that as well i think maybe that relates i'm not sure um okay so um in a nutshell okay we've we've

00:09:39.740 got the idea behind that okay so what's we understood what materialism was we understood kind of got a

00:09:46.120 grasp of what uh consciousness is self-awareness um is um how did you guys okay introduce it to

00:09:53.720 this brother who's an atheist what was what was the first thing was he at first apprehensive was he

00:09:58.380 like you know what how can you just give me a little storyline maybe um how you guys go into the

00:10:03.380 discussion maybe um and the the the objections that he had and how that was you know counted maybe

00:10:09.860 do you want to take that sharif or you want me to take it go for it jake if you miss any details

00:10:17.040 on that so yeah so i mean we had been talking to this brother we presented him other arguments for

00:10:25.100 god's existence things like the kalam you know contingency argument these different things

00:10:29.140 um but then we presented to him uh this sort of argument from consciousness and how

00:10:35.000 it couldn't be explained by materialism because he was a hardcore materialist he was like you know

00:10:40.200 if i can't touch this i can't taste it it's not real it doesn't exist so we said well what about

00:10:45.580 your conscious experience it can't be quantified you can't like put it under a microscope and so we

00:10:51.920 started to talk to him about this more and more his initial reaction was to say well it's it's an

00:10:58.580 emergent property of the brain it sort of arises from the brain matter but when we discuss this with

00:11:04.620 him more we said no it doesn't really work and we can get into more details if you want as to why it

00:11:09.820 doesn't work but eventually you saw well it can't actually be explained by the brain matter it doesn't

00:11:15.720 make sense how all of a sudden this conscious experience just emerges out of physical material

00:11:22.820 and after a couple weeks of discussing this with him he realized that he couldn't really explain

00:11:28.700 how you have consciousness on materialism and so he just abandoned materialism altogether and accepted

00:11:35.560 that there are these other things like consciousness uh that exists and the reason why

00:11:40.860 this is important to take note of is because our understanding of god he's not a physical object

00:11:48.020 it's not like you can put god under a microscope and so when you show that the materialist well there

00:11:53.940 are other things even in your own experience that you have such as your conscious everyday experience

00:12:00.560 then it sort of opens them up to the idea that other things like god and angels and jinn exist

00:12:07.000 that's interesting sorry so i was just wanting to add as well because this is really important because

00:12:13.140 a lot of people will say the automatic response will be because yeah but we can cut a person's brain open

00:12:19.020 and we can see the nerves and the neurons and the brain chemistry that's going on in there but this

00:12:24.560 is like when you have a computer and you you look at the program within the computer and you see the ones

00:12:31.680 and zeros now the ones and zeros don't tell us anything about the experience of what those ones and zeros mean

00:12:40.420 or the information you need a mind to decode that information yeah and the the computer itself it's

00:12:47.800 operating on ones and zeros this binary code system it doesn't suddenly give itself experience

00:12:52.720 it doesn't suddenly realize its own awareness so it doesn't have choices exactly so it's like again

00:13:00.320 yeah yeah another example would be like morse code dots and dashes now if you saw dots and dashes but

00:13:06.880 you didn't know you didn't have information already in your head how to decode the dots and dashes

00:13:11.900 then it's just dots and dashes so you need a mind to decode that so it's in essence you need a mind

00:13:19.200 to understand what's going on in the brain in order to have the ability to say well this is why this

00:13:25.480 particular neurons firing is resulting in this particular thought so you have to have a mind prior

00:13:31.980 to the brain doing its you know the neurons firing and the action potentials and all these things that

00:13:38.200 are going on in the physical brain and just as a final point regards to this is you know and this

00:13:43.940 is really i think hits the nail on the head when you come across a person whether that's a person's

00:13:49.540 child or mother you don't turn around and think the person's not conscious because you're not physically

00:13:54.860 saw what's going on in the brain you already made that conclusion that they are conscious so you're

00:14:01.680 concluding upon something that's not physically directly observable but you're concluding that

00:14:07.880 they do have it which is consciousness in and of itself so if you can use that same process of

00:14:13.420 thought for understanding other people are conscious you can use the same process of thought coming to

00:14:18.240 the existence that the creator exists as well i i sometimes use the argument uh love you know i sometimes

00:14:25.340 say you know sometimes it comes across wrong you know because if you're giving dawah uh to a female

00:14:30.760 and you go and you show me love and it comes the wrong way like i don't mean show me love i mean

00:14:34.780 like can you show me love like in a in a materialistic sense you know yeah because the thing is they

00:14:39.560 would like yeah no if we plug some uh you know because you know sometimes people say show me love

00:14:43.140 brother you know and it might come up i'm not talking about that i'm talking about showing you know

00:14:46.940 physically showing me uh you know sometimes i had to make it clear because some the person opposite

00:14:51.060 me gets the wrong idea you know i'm like i don't mean it like i mean like you know can you show me

00:14:54.600 like physically and they're like no if we put you know these things in your brain and we i'm like yeah but

00:14:59.420 you show me waves i'm talking about can you show me and say oh look this is my love towards you or

00:15:05.480 my love towards my mother you can't it's something you know so you can see that you know it's not all

00:15:10.680 atheists but some of them they have this you know double standards um sadly you know they do have 1.00

00:15:15.540 this belief you know uh into the unseen world you know be it consciousness or the emotions uh but yeah

00:15:21.320 okay so i'm just trying to i just want to i just want to add on to that point because

00:15:26.780 you're right you're hitting on an important point love is a function of our conscious experience

00:15:33.040 it's just one example of what we're talking about and where i mean like you're saying can you open up

00:15:39.960 a brain or show on a scan like oh these are the neurons in the brain that are you know this set of

00:15:46.700 neurons for for is responsible for me loving my wife and then these other ones over here are the ones

00:15:53.420 that are responsible for me loving my brother or my friend we do we don't have anything like that in

00:15:59.780 in even in current neuroscience today they can't actually pin that down so that's that's part of

00:16:05.480 the issue even that that's part of the issue and also what's part of the issue is even if let's say

00:16:12.640 for example even if they say i love oxytocin yeah this oxytocin is being released but what's within

00:16:18.960 you know if i wanted to study oxytocin yeah this this chemical that's being released in the brain

00:16:23.740 i can study carbon hydrogen oxygen what are the elements that uh it makes up the particular physical

00:16:29.860 structure but none of those properties this is the point none of those properties have love within it

00:16:36.920 that's not a property that's not an attribute that's the thing you have this missing this is why they

00:16:42.400 call it the hard problem because you have this mysterious property that arises which can't be reduced to

00:16:48.120 what it physically is everything else within nature within the physical world we can reduce it down

00:16:54.280 so for example even your your you know physical body can be reduced down to genes and you can say

00:17:00.080 well if this gene codes for that this gene codes for that particular you know hand or an eye or whatever

00:17:04.800 but when it comes to neurons and the properties within the neurons and the properties within the physical

00:17:11.320 world none of them contain this property of what we call consciousness and conscious experience

00:17:18.260 exactly and that leads on to our question of the hard problem of consciousness and like you said before

00:17:22.940 even if they were to gather that information and be like this this part of the brain is responsible for

00:17:27.520 love the thing is you can never measure intrinsically that like what that person's love towards his wife or mother is

00:17:35.140 that's something that he personally knows the love and the sacrifice he would do for that person nobody

00:17:40.900 can go and measure that nobody come and say you know this person's love level of love it's it's there's

00:17:46.020 this measurement look this is what no nobody can that's it comes back to you know um you know innate

00:17:50.500 it's something that's innate and going back to the hard problem of consciousness yeah um tell us a bit

00:17:56.620 about that you know what what is the hard problem of consciousness you know where is what is this is this

00:18:01.640 where um scientists and atheists are having a tough time tackling so much so that um you know there

00:18:09.780 there are there are genuine atheists that are actually um being convinced by this like you know with this

00:18:15.760 brother that we have who was convinced by this argument uh maybe this is a bit about the hard problem of

00:18:20.340 consciousness yeah so i'll take that and then sharif if i miss out on anything you can add it um but it goes

00:18:27.260 back to what we were talking about like what sharif was saying about the morse code or with the computer

00:18:33.120 the ones and zeros is that you can explain even brain function in terms of input output but you can't

00:18:41.620 explain the experience of that so the hard problem of consciousness deals with what's called qualia

00:18:48.880 or this first person subjective experience of what you were talking about ali of of basically

00:18:55.100 you can explain maybe even the the input and output and sort of the function in the brain

00:19:01.200 uh for love or these different emotions but you can't explain the experience of it right so there's

00:19:08.500 this added element that is on top of more than just the function and this is what uh an interesting

00:19:15.160 problem because today we talk about like art of artificial intelligence and can you know basically

00:19:21.940 machines become uh human minds and stuff like that and the answer is no because there's an in

00:19:28.460 principle problem or sort of an unbridgeable gap between the simple input and output and the

00:19:35.320 experience of it for example our computers or phones whatever we're on right now they're running on a

00:19:41.220 particular software and hardware there's input and output ones and zeros in the background but the

00:19:47.920 computer is not having an experience like even if you program it to to say certain phrases no matter

00:19:55.260 how eloquent it is we don't attribute an experience of that to the computer so yeah just sorry to cut

00:20:03.780 it's like me going to my computer and saying like i'm sorry i'm making you work too hard and you know

00:20:08.460 yeah ali can you stop you know pressing that but you know it's it's it's not it's it's systematic you

00:20:13.960 know it's right you know there's a there's a really good example uh i can't remember the philosopher

00:20:20.020 it might be uh uh sirl john sirl john sirl yeah yeah he talks about the chinese room yeah he gives

00:20:27.020 an example so he said you've got a person inside this room he doesn't know any chinese yeah then you

00:20:32.720 got chinese people outside the room and they're writing him chinese letters notes that have meaning

00:20:38.580 and they're sending it inside the room he doesn't know any chinese but what he's got he's got a rule

00:20:44.440 book and in the rule book it says if you see these symbols these letters chinese letters you respond

00:20:49.800 with these chinese letters in response and so he's sending the message out and so the people outside

00:20:55.340 the room thinking oh you know this guy knows chinese but what he's simply doing is just doing 0.93

00:21:01.840 input output he's seen the letters he doesn't comprehend understand what the meaning of those letters

00:21:07.260 he just saying if i see these letters i respond with these set of letters back yeah so what he was

00:21:13.620 explaining is this is what ai does this is what computers do computers don't fundamentally understand

00:21:20.260 the experience or the knowledge of the information they're just responding in different ways and maybe

00:21:26.620 even complicated ways but they're not experiencing the information understanding it and then repeating it

00:21:32.860 back or responding with that particular information so this is why it's a it's a fundamental it's an

00:21:38.240 in-principle problem david chalmers another uh uh yeah and i want to read i want to read a quote from

00:21:44.600 him actually if i could just a quick quote because this term hard problem of consciousness was put forward

00:21:50.480 by david chalmers who was a philosopher and he explains very nicely what the hard problem is he says

00:21:57.340 what makes the hard problem hard and almost unique is that it goes beyond problems about the performance

00:22:05.340 of functions to see this note that even when we have explained the performance of all the cognitive

00:22:12.880 and behavioral functions in the vicinity of experience as perceptual discrimination categorization

00:22:20.720 internal access verbal report there may still remain a further unanswered question which is why is the

00:22:31.140 performance of these functions accompanied by experience and so that's what we're talking about is

00:22:37.740 with a computer there's a performance of functions but there's no experience with us there is a performance

00:22:45.900 of functions that is accompanied by an experience it's not just love it's what it's like to love your

00:22:52.740 wife what it's like to love somebody else that what it's like is the experience rather than just merely the

00:22:59.940 function and that's what on materialism you can't explain you can explain the input output like a computer

00:23:08.440 but you can't explain the experience of it so that's the hard problem

00:23:12.460 hmm it certainly is a harder problem a big problem for atheists there

00:23:16.540 a lot of atheists when when you explain this to them the first reaction is always to say no no no

00:23:24.880 we'll find out in the future how yeah consciousness works this is what they always say

00:23:30.300 science of the gaps what do you think of that name the science of the gaps yeah yeah

00:23:35.080 yeah yeah but the problem the problem here ali is this is that you can't science deals with what

00:23:43.860 is external to the human being a third person objective analysis but this is a first person

00:23:51.520 subjective experience for example i can see jake's hat and i see it's red you see it as red but do i see

00:23:58.720 the same red as you to have the same experience i can't know that yeah i we can say yeah what we're

00:24:06.060 seeing is red but your experience of red will be maybe different to my experience of red and there's

00:24:11.160 no way that science can tell me whether we are experiencing it the same way so it's not so it's not

00:24:17.380 just a problem which is in the future it's a problem where there's an unbridgeable gap science deals

00:24:24.040 with what third person objective analysis and consciousness is a first person subjective

00:24:30.040 experience yeah you can see sorry go ahead so you know there was this dress that was going around

00:24:36.080 in social media and they were saying yeah what color do you see i don't even remember yeah so some

00:24:39.820 people are like oh green this that and i was thinking like these people are bugging out like i was i was

00:24:43.840 doubting them and they probably doubting me yeah but it goes back to this argument you know because at

00:24:47.820 the end they that's what they were seeing you know uh so it refutes the it refutes this whole

00:24:53.560 materialistic uh uh concept even even if both people are seeing green color dress how do we know

00:25:00.840 that the both of them are seeing green in the same way yeah yeah so you can never yeah you can never

00:25:08.160 measure that and sharif you're right they go to this oh well just because we don't know now maybe

00:25:13.620 we're going to find out in the future with the advancement of science and all this and that's when i say

00:25:17.760 well you get on muslims and theists all the time for this idea of faith that sounds like you got

00:25:24.380 more faith in science bro you know it goes back to that sometimes i have a discussion with certain

00:25:30.660 atheists and they say you know um they talk about time you know if you give enough time there is a

00:25:35.880 chance this will happen and we say well that's irrelevant to the point because if i had a i'll give

00:25:40.460 this example all of the time yeah it's like if you have a bowl if i had an empty bowl and i said

00:25:45.260 you know if i gave it enough time uh would a chocolate cheesecake with four strawberries on

00:25:51.380 top appear um they would say yes um no what we're saying well the properties to make that is not in

00:25:58.160 there time is irrelevant to the point here and i think it's the same here you know the time is

00:26:03.640 irrelevant we will in the future they don't i don't think they understand the problem that they

00:26:08.740 face they think you give me enough time because they always have this concept give me enough time

00:26:12.040 the chances that will happen chances this will happen you know and i think they use these arguments

00:26:16.220 a lot um the question ali ali not all see this is the thing the ones who have done the research

00:26:23.260 in this subject area they understand the problem so you have some you some uh philosophers of mind

00:26:30.180 in your sciences that believe consciousness is an illusion doesn't really exist yes that's one thing

00:26:35.320 they're saying we don't really have this concept of of experience then you have others who say

00:26:41.100 that consciousness is is existed in all things yeah even in atoms and electrons and rocks they have a

00:26:50.640 proto-consciousness double double experiment double experiment they have yeah that's yeah so so even

00:26:57.760 people then you've got other people like donald hoffman professor donald hoffman who says no

00:27:02.700 conscious matter is produced by consciousness and he gives examples like the double slit experiment

00:27:09.340 and other things on the quantum mechanic so he says this is what they call idealism so this idea that

00:27:14.700 consciousness produces material because they're saying because there's an unbridgeable gap between

00:27:20.440 explaining materialism arising consciousness and they're saying consciousness is more fundamental

00:27:25.940 because it's what we understand the world with is consciousness so he's saying consciousness is what

00:27:31.800 produces physical material yeah it's a bit out there for a lot of people and by the way that guy the guy

00:27:38.660 whose quote i read before professor david chalmers he is a naturalist he's an atheist he's not he's not a believer

00:27:45.080 but he's pointing out and he's being honest like look this is a hard problem for us guys so

00:27:50.660 there are some atheists out there who are being honest about the problem saying look we haven't solved it 0.99

00:27:56.720 so far and maybe they have some grand hope of it later on but i think more and more people are

00:28:02.260 starting to see that this is an in-principle problem doesn't matter how much time you have

00:28:06.680 you're not going to solve the problem time is irrelevant yeah and i think if there's atheists

00:28:10.880 watching this you know we want to make something clear because you know one thing that i learned

00:28:14.460 from speaker's corner one thing that i learned from star hamza's words is um you know is that we're

00:28:18.860 not here to win points over you guys if there's atheists watching this we're not here to be like 1.00

00:28:22.640 you know we got you guys yeah we've cornered you our religion doesn't teach that we're not here to 0.99

00:28:26.880 that we're genuinely just trying to reason with you guys and make you guys understand us because

00:28:31.060 like the brother who we had the discussion with he was honest enough to not only accept it but also

00:28:37.020 accept islam um so i don't want atheists to feel like you know be defensive and we're trying to you

00:28:41.520 know mock them etc what we're just genuinely trying to do is show you guys why we believe there is a

00:28:47.420 logical answer that and the best possible answer to that is like god exists and we're

00:28:52.620 trying to break that down via consciousness and other things so i just want to make that clear

00:28:55.820 because i don't want you guys to feel that you know we're trying to you know that's not our aim

00:28:59.560 our aim is to you know learn from each other and for you guys to understand our point of view

00:29:02.760 why is consciousness not a problem for islam so people that are watching that they will say okay 1.00

00:29:07.160 you know what it's it's a problem for all right let's say us atheists and material and the material

00:29:11.300 you know materialistically you know people who see that everything is you know we can observe with

00:29:16.460 our senses what about islam isn't it a problem for islam go ahead sharif if you want to answer 0.51

00:29:22.300 okay so obviously from an islamic point of view is that we don't believe that physical material

00:29:29.440 things which are non-conscious caused us to have consciousness we fundamentally believe that there

00:29:35.900 is a unlimited independent creator allah subhanahu wa ta'ala who is all-knowing who has will who has

00:29:42.320 intentionality who is therefore what we'd probably term conscious who willfully created human beings and

00:29:49.120 therefore willfully created us to have this ability to have consciousness now how that mechanism

00:29:54.760 of creation occurred we don't know that's allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows that but what we do have

00:29:59.980 now is we have an explanation of how we have consciousness for a lot of atheists under what

00:30:07.180 they call panpsychism which is where they say all matter has consciousness even the electron has

00:30:12.000 consciousness they just assert it as a brute fact you know something exists but there's no explanation

00:30:17.880 why it exists don't ask why yeah exactly whereas whereas we say no something exists within human

00:30:24.940 mind which is consciousness how do we explain that well there are many arguments to the existence of

00:30:29.680 allah subhanahu wa ta'ala there's not just one but when you go through these arguments then you

00:30:34.160 understand that what if allah subhanahu wa ta'ala exists and he does exist then he's the cause and

00:30:40.320 creator of all things yeah why does allah subhanahu wa ta'ala exist because we say he's the necessary

00:30:46.020 being he's eternal independent he doesn't require an explanation for his own existence but he allah

00:30:52.300 subhanahu wa ta'ala explains everybody else's existence and the properties of those existence

00:30:57.700 including the properties of human beings who have conscious awareness brilliant and jake yep yeah and

00:31:05.580 just to add on to that sharif also in islam we have this concept of the ruh or the the soul the spirit

00:31:12.580 whatever you want to call it we we don't only believe that for example whether it be man or

00:31:19.080 angels or jinn or even allah himself we don't believe that it's just material objects and that's

00:31:26.300 all that exists so the reason why consciousness and this is what the brother saw is that um on a

00:31:33.740 materialist framework you can't make sense of consciousness but when you have this idea that

00:31:38.520 the creator himself who's the foundation for everything that exists is not a physical material

00:31:44.480 object okay then we can make sense of everything else such as our conscious experience and all of

00:31:51.500 these other things begin to fall in place like the existence of angels doesn't seem crazy and spooky

00:31:56.800 and jinn and all this kind of stuff it fits nicely in line as far as the package and the the entire

00:32:03.640 islamic worldview we can see oh well that makes sense consciousness isn't some weird thing if we

00:32:10.300 have a creator who himself is not a physical object and he's the foundation for everything that exists

00:32:17.440 so once this is explained and once you abandon materialism then it kind of softens in in at least

00:32:25.620 in my experience with this particular brother it softened his heart it softened his mind for him to

00:32:30.000 start to start to consider islam to start consider these other understandings and uh alhamdulillah he

00:32:36.940 embraced islam in the end uh because that because of it and this argument was a main um function in

00:32:44.260 that process may Allah bless both of you guys it's absolutely amazing i think we need to do more of

00:32:49.680 these where we break down these concepts inshallah for the layman to understand i think that was really

00:32:54.900 good that was very that was amazing uh thank you both you guys may Allah bless you both you guys inshallah

00:32:59.780 with the works that you're doing i'll learn a lot from start sharing brother jake i'll definitely

00:33:03.700 be following you from now on as well inshallah um and yeah promises if you've enjoyed that if you

00:33:07.740 want more please let us know if you want specific topics for us to discuss uh we can do that through

00:33:11.360 ramadan inshallah we'll see if the brothers are free uh but yeah so that was the argument from

00:33:14.720 consciousness and how it makes sense in islam um and yeah i hope you guys learn from that

00:33:18.860 inshallah till next time assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

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Ali Dawah - July 08, 2021

ATHEIST YOUTUBER ACCEPTS ISLAM AFTER THIS....

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