Ali Dawah - November 29, 2023
BENGALI MARRIAGE, WEDDING & DIVORCE - EP 18 || BITTER TRUTH SHOW
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 18 minutes
Words per Minute
217.8924
Hate Speech Sentences
135
Summary
In this episode, we talk about what it means to be a Bangladeshi Muslim in the 21st century. We talk about how we are treated by our parents, family, society and society in general. We also talk about the differences between being a Muslim and being a Bengali.
Transcript
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She would always say that, I'll pick someone for you.
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And if you ever, I guess, find someone for yourself, I won't accept.
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I'm not going to leave someone who's really good, a good Muslim, to agree with my mum.
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It's like when your mum gives you an ultimate mum or a girl.
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What are we? Are we Bengalis? Are we Bengali Muslims?
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I make them think critically and then realise, you know what, we're actually following a lot of Hindu culture.
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So what my mum would say is, I gave birth to you and I raised you, so you have to marry.
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I choose and if you don't, then I don't accept.
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The moment of Eid when we're supposed to bow down and touch her feet, we said no actually, I'm not going to do it.
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Because, I know, this is only for, I spoke to my mum, can I marry outside my ethnicity as long as they're Muslim.
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Mum said she'd prefer a Bengali girl purely because she can't speak English.
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Yeah, speaking about emotional blackmail, speak about pressurising, they will tell you, you get married again, you're going to be disowned.
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You rejected it because you're too concerned about what others will think.
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I just don't believe that South Asian men have the ability to treat each wife.
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Whoever's the lightest, they get them like this.
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Don't ever come to a point of divorce because what are people going to say?
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Brothers and sisters, just imagine for a second that you give £10 in donation
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and that £10 is used to buy food or bricks or whatever to help the people in Gaza.
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But then just imagine this amazing deed that you want to do, but we turn it into a money-making machine.
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They take your money and the money that we are going to put in this Waqf, this building.
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And every single time, the money generated from that Waqf, that building,
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is going to go to our Palestinian brothers and sisters for the next 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 100, 150 years.
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And this will be a form of true Sadaqah Jariah.
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I myself will be donating for that, inshaAllah.
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May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless and preserve you guys.
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Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, brothers and sisters and dear friends.
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Welcome to another episode of the Bitter Truth Show.
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As you guys know, we're doing a cultural episode.
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We've got to know a lot about the Somali culture, from their weddings, to divorce, to marital disputes.
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And we're doing the same thing, same format, same questions.
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And today we have our Bengali brothers and sisters.
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So guys, inshaAllah, before I start, I want to praise Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala,
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the most merciful, the most just, or praise His glory and gratitude belong to Him.
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We've done this episode with the team, you know, we decided.
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And, you know, with the co-producer, which is my wife.
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She grills me sometimes, but I think I deserve it.
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But yeah, before we do a culture episode, get to know different cultures.
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And yeah, if you're watching this, we want you guys to come as well if you're Nigerian, Congolese,
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Jamaican, English, Turkish, Kurdish, wherever, inshaAllah, please apply.
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We're just here to just to get to know your culture in a nutshell.
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Please tell us a bit about yourselves and then we'll get straight into the topic.
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And let's see what we're going to, inshaAllah, find out about the Bengali.
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I work in finance and I do a few side projects as well.
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I do YouTube on the side and talk about controversial topics.
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So, currently, I'm unemployed, but I'm working on a vision.
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May Allah bless our honourable sisters for being here and our honourable brothers.
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The first question you usually ask in these topics as well, inshaAllah, is that
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When I was looking to get married, there was a Bengali sister, actually, I was saying to
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We'll come to that a bit later on about when it comes to marrying outside, inshaAllah.
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But the first topic is basically, as Bengalis, when it comes to seeking marriage.
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Please tell me in a nutshell, in your culture, if you want to get married, how do you guys
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So, I know culturally, like, we obviously, I guess, the groom comes over to the woman's
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But, like, specifically speaking, in my house, my mum, she would always say that I'll pick
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And if you ever, I guess, find someone for yourself, I won't accept, especially if it's
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Okay, so, would you say that, for example, it's mainly a range marriage?
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What I would add to that is, I feel like it's very different in every Bengali household.
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And we're not the same, and we don't have the same parents.
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So, it really depends on, like, their mindset and the mother, the family itself.
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So, in a single parent household, we don't have a father as well.
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So, yeah, we don't really have a mahram for someone to, like, come to.
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To speak in a subjective way is if we, let's say I found someone from the African culture
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He's Muslim and he's practicing and everything.
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This is a bit controversial, but I would, no matter what, I'd still go with that marriage.
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I'm not going to leave someone who's really good, a good Muslim, to agree with my mum.
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Because my mum, she, regardless, she wouldn't agree to any of them.
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Okay, so, what we're going to do is, we're going to come to the marrying outside your culture.
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But when it comes to family, we can elaborate on that.
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Just, for example, as a young Bengali person who's looking to get married,
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does parents say, listen, don't be thinking that you're going to find somebody, et cetera.
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So, is it like to you, you're like, okay, you know what?
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There's no point in me if I saw a brother that I like or whatever.
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Is it like from the get-go, like, what my mum says?
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So, I think generally with like Bengali marriages, there's two approaches.
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There's the traditional approach and the modern approach.
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So, the traditional approach is you tell your parents, I want to get married.
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I'm old enough now, financially secure, et cetera.
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So, at that point, your parents will most likely speak to their brothers, sisters,
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friends to find someone who could match what you're looking for.
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But I'd say more often than not, there's the modern approach where people go and find their spouses themselves.
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So, there's two different approaches, basically.
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Traditionally, they say that it's usually the moment you say, oh, I want to get married,
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your family will tell you that we're going to look for you.
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Do they come and say to you, like, what's your preference?
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Like, my family, it was, we'll find someone, you know.
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And my mum thought, like, need someone from back home because either she's going to leave you eventually.
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And then, when your mum gives you an ultimatum.
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Mum or a girl, a girl says to you, your mum or me.
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So, she's so worried that she's going to be alone.
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Because my father recently died, about six, seven months ago.
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But, the way they were brought up, it's so toxic.
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Because, they don't have the benefit of choice like we do.
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They do it out of necessity to carry, you know, the family name.
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And also, I was going to say, it's like, there's like an entitlement, like there's entitlement involved.
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So, what my mum would say is, I gave birth to you.
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And then, there's like a lot of victim mentality as well.
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So, they victimize themselves and then you feel guilty.
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Because at the end of the day, when you marry someone, you're going to be living with them,
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And if you're not happy with the choice, you're going to be miserable.
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But our, you know, the generation has to change that.
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But putting an end to this doesn't mean we are disobedient to our parents.
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That doesn't mean they can do whatever they like with us.
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However, it has to be done in a certain conduct.
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I get what you're saying about being disobedient to your parents is a sin.
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But if it's disobedience against Allah, then, you know, it's just...
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So, if Islamically, I can marry someone outside of my culture,
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as long as they are a good Muslim, good character, good conduct,
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then I don't see why I cannot marry this person just because they're not Bengali.
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With parents, there's a balance of disobedience and, you know, respect.
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Basically, she kind of forced you to marry someone you don't want to.
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There's no such thing that you can't force someone into marriage, right?
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So, I think with Bengali parents, you need to sort of put your foot down, right?
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And as a man, right, they can't force you to marry who you don't want to.
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Like, I'm learning to be kind of stand my ground, but also, like,
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with a balance of, like, respect where I'm not crossing that boundary of
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And I'm not going to lie, it was a struggle, but I found it eventually.
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I was going to say, I agree with what Pratamati said.
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And I think a lot of the discussion is going to be that culture clashes with our team,
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And to answer your question, I grew up in a cultural family.
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But alhamdulillah, as I became practicing, I had to, through wisdom,
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As you know, when you get a bit zealous in the beginning, a bit hardcore.
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Then you realize that they've been conditioned in the way they grew up.
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And it's about understanding from their perspective.
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But at the same time, educating them and making them understand.
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And also, explain to them, look, if this marriage goes ahead and you're forcing me,
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And also, a lot of things the Bengalis do is they have to marry an order of siblings.
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But, so, if the eldest isn't married yet, then the young person,
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who probably have found a good prospect, that person has to wait.
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Alhamdulillah, recently, one of my cousins broke that tradition.
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So, I think, basically, the deen saves us all, ultimately.
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When you bring the deen and you educate people.
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And for me, time and time again, I used to ask my parents,
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We're actually following a lot of Hindu culture.
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Basically, you know how, in the culture, you go down.
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We used to go up to aunties, uncles, all the elders.
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And only in the last 10 years, I'd say, Bengali society's question,
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But just wanted to say a real thing, just on your point,
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But women in Bengali culture, they have an expiration date.
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Like, you know, when you get to 30, oh, but your kids,
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you know, you need to have kids before 25, before 30.
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That's when they try and marry them off, like, at a younger age.
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You know, interestingly, I think me and my sisters did that.
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The moment of Eid, when we're supposed to bow down
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and, like, touch her feet, we said, no, actually,
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We didn't do it, so we kind of broke out of it.
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And her reaction, her reaction, kind of, obviously,
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Yeah, but it's like, you know, you're like that.
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You know, you know what it is with, with, with that, though?
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Like, we couldn't explain that to her, like, oh, like,
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Did you explain Islamically that it's incorrect?
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You know, our parents, because they're all-fashioned,
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we need to, like, engage them in an educational perspective.
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Like, you can't say this, or you can't do this.
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Like, I'll show her verse of the Quran, her deeds,
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Like, this probably crosses over different cultures.
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And that, again, comes from the other generation.
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But this mindset needs to stop where marriage will fix her.
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but the person I married was the first proposal.
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but then they don't think long-term that this person,
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where there's no communication with some parents and children.
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and the whole thing about what you're looking for,
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But I think it's that mindset that needs to change
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but yeah, marriage will fix them kind of thing.
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when you're talking about specifically breaking the cycle,
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like before two people come together in marriage,
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relying on that one person for your entire happiness,
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let's dive into the topic of interracial marriages.
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I just mentioned everything that I went through,
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I was getting to know a Bengali sister for marriage.
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They were so immersed in what the community would think.
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I look a little bit Pakistani because of my nose,
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so the point is this year is that I realized with the Pakistanis,
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When I was getting to know Pakistanis for marriage,
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I spoke like the father would be in another room,
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but I found in the Bengalis that there's extreme level of like,
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So how do you guys deal with this when it comes to interracial marriages?
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Let me just say something before I forget this.
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Bengali people marrying outside our culture and it breaking up.
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I know this person got married through this Moroccan sister.
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do you want to finish what you're saying first?
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Mom said she'd prefer a Bengali girl purely because she can't speak English.
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I don't think it comes from a racist point as much as it did before.
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they want to marry outside of a Bengali girl just to prove a point.
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it's nothing wrong with marrying from your own kind of culture.
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I prefer that my daughter marries or my son marries.
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people are more concerned about what people will say,
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Because I've been in situations where it's gone peak.
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So people shouldn't make an excuse and be like,
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But we need to understand that at the end of the day,
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So I really thought about that and I contemplated on it.
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there's a lot of men also who are okay with like having one wife,
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I challenge any man to come here and tell me that they're not.
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I couldn't deal with having more than one wife.
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Because I just don't think I love the emotional capacity to deal with more than one wife.
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Can you tell me why you would reject one of them?
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I'm just asking you because what happens is when you come and say this,
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sisters are watching this and go to their husbands.
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Sometimes they're a nice man in the house after dodge,
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I'll think the other one's better than the other.
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that if the other one doesn't have a great deficiency,
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I've just told you about the emotional intelligence.
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what this sister said about having the emotional,
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because I don't want to make it a whole polygamy.
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the moment you fall out of love with your husband,
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My father literally upset so many family members because he didn't tolerate it no more.
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The groom and bride will sometimes dance together as well.
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but I have seen a lot of like Bengalis doing just a Nikana in a mosque.
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So there's like two ways of going about essentially.
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If I marry and I spend six to the ground there,
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this is what Islam deals because Islam protects you.
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The best thing that ever happened in my life is Islam.
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the fact that he has to speak to the father and give mahar,
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it also protects me because if she initiates khullah,
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she has to give me back the mahar or part of the mahar.
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I was going to mention one thing you guys forgot,
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Like she saved up a lot of money just in case for,
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But it's the fact that the bride's side gives like mahar to the,
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So basically that is purely obviously cultural.
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So what they do is like the agreement and the negotiations are like,
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this is how much you pay for the bride's dress,
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And then they'll give like gifts and then pay for the suit for the wedding,
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But they're buying like furnitures and everything.
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He's paying for his kids' private Islamic school.
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but it might be a point where you've married for 15,
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maybe I'm speaking from like a biased point of view,
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even though I was super like depressed in that marriage,