Ali Dawah - September 04, 2024


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Episode Stats

Length

8 minutes

Words per Minute

225.44458

Word Count

2,003

Sentence Count

222

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

In this episode, I speak to a couple of atheists, Frankie and Holly, and try to convince them of the existence of a creator. It's not easy, but it's not impossible, is it? Listen in to find out!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You guys were...
00:00:00.840 That makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.
00:00:03.320 Yeah, exactly. That's just argument. That's what I'm here to do.
00:00:05.660 So I'm assuming you guys were an atheist about five minutes ago.
00:00:08.060 Now you're...
00:00:09.000 Brothers and sisters, just imagine for a second that you give £10 in donation
00:00:14.180 and that £10 is used to buy food or bricks or whatever to help the people in Gaza.
00:00:19.180 But then just imagine this amazing thing that you want to do,
00:00:22.040 but we turn it into a money-making machine. How?
00:00:25.320 The waqf is exactly that.
00:00:26.780 They take your money and the money that we are going to put in this waqf, this building.
00:00:31.660 And every single time, the money generated from that waqf, that building,
00:00:36.340 is going to go to our Palestinian brothers and sisters for the next 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 100, 150 years.
00:00:44.160 And this will be a form of true Sadhaqajari.
00:00:46.900 What's your name? Frankie.
00:00:48.260 Frankie.
00:00:48.880 Yep.
00:00:49.320 Frankie and?
00:00:50.000 Holly.
00:00:50.500 And Holly. Yes.
00:00:51.980 I'm assuming you guys are a couple.
00:00:53.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:53.780 When do you plan on getting married?
00:00:55.140 Maybe around...
00:00:57.140 I don't know, maybe 25, 25.
00:00:59.560 Yes, make sure. You need to propose, yeah?
00:01:01.420 She wants you to propose.
00:01:02.780 Yeah.
00:01:02.960 I'm joking.
00:01:04.020 Okay, guys.
00:01:04.820 So, Frankie, you said that you're both atheists?
00:01:07.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really believe in anything.
00:01:09.720 Okay, all right.
00:01:10.300 Okay, so what evidence would you require to believe in God?
00:01:13.220 Is there anything specific that you're looking for?
00:01:15.020 I need, like...
00:01:15.580 Have you ever had any signs?
00:01:17.080 What way is that stopping you from believing in God?
00:01:18.780 What about for you?
00:01:19.240 I need, like, a sign of, uh...
00:01:22.360 Just something to answer my prayers, maybe.
00:01:24.440 That's all a sign of his presence.
00:01:26.820 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:27.960 Okay, so...
00:01:29.240 I'll bring...
00:01:30.200 I'll just make...
00:01:30.880 There's a couple of arguments I usually use,
00:01:32.400 depending on who I'm talking to,
00:01:33.160 but I'll simplify it a bit for you, yeah?
00:01:35.220 So, do you have a mobile phone?
00:01:37.220 Yeah.
00:01:37.880 Okay, do you mind getting out?
00:01:39.240 Yeah, sure.
00:01:40.180 Yeah.
00:01:41.000 Okay, so...
00:01:42.040 All right, you've got a phone.
00:01:42.760 Okay.
00:01:43.240 You would agree that this phone has design?
00:01:47.100 Yep.
00:01:47.320 Okay, you agree that it has a shape, a specific shape?
00:01:50.820 Yeah, it does.
00:01:51.520 And does it have a purpose?
00:01:53.340 Yeah, it's got a purpose.
00:01:54.440 Okay.
00:01:54.600 It's bringing people to...
00:01:55.460 Okay, good.
00:01:55.960 Yeah, exactly, yeah?
00:01:56.900 Yeah, call it your girlfriend, you know?
00:01:57.920 Make sure you pick up, you know?
00:01:58.840 She wants to pick up, yeah?
00:02:00.000 Okay, good.
00:02:00.760 So, have you gone to the factory to see this being assembled?
00:02:03.440 No.
00:02:04.160 Okay, but you've come to the conclusion by using your rational faculties
00:02:07.040 that by the design, the shape, the purpose,
00:02:10.080 that it has a designer?
00:02:11.440 Yeah.
00:02:12.040 Correct?
00:02:12.400 Okay.
00:02:12.820 Would you say you, as a human being,
00:02:14.880 are more complex in design,
00:02:16.680 or you're more about a phone?
00:02:17.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
00:02:19.240 Because human beings, yeah, the human eye,
00:02:21.320 yes, the way you function, your heart, your lungs,
00:02:23.300 so much more complex.
00:02:24.480 So, my argument is the following.
00:02:26.040 If we look at a phone,
00:02:27.240 we haven't gone to the factory,
00:02:28.260 we haven't seen it get made,
00:02:29.900 but we come to the conclusion that it has design,
00:02:31.720 it has a pattern,
00:02:32.780 it's got a specific shape,
00:02:33.580 it has a purpose.
00:02:34.620 Yeah.
00:02:34.780 So, my argument is the following.
00:02:36.480 If you, we as human beings,
00:02:37.920 are more far complex in design,
00:02:39.960 surely the logical conclusion we can come to
00:02:43.160 is that we have to have a creator.
00:02:45.060 Yeah.
00:02:45.520 It wouldn't make sense,
00:02:46.480 because my microphone, my t-shirt, my socks,
00:02:48.580 even my socks have a purpose, yeah?
00:02:50.020 Yeah.
00:02:50.300 You know, they can be quite smelly at times,
00:02:51.620 but that's a different issue, yeah?
00:02:53.060 The point is what?
00:02:54.400 The socks, my socks have a specific shape.
00:02:56.180 I know when I look at my socks,
00:02:57.140 it doesn't belong on my head or my hand.
00:02:58.480 I know where it belongs.
00:02:59.600 So, it has a purpose.
00:03:00.400 So, my argument is that
00:03:01.240 everything that we have from your hat
00:03:03.760 to your earrings to your shirt,
00:03:05.600 everything has a purpose,
00:03:06.620 it has a design,
00:03:07.540 which means somebody made it.
00:03:09.220 Now, just because we don't see God
00:03:11.400 or the creator,
00:03:12.580 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
00:03:13.420 So, that's the argument that I would say
00:03:15.080 that would prove that it requires us
00:03:17.660 as human beings
00:03:18.380 to have a creator that created us.
00:03:21.220 Yeah.
00:03:21.440 So, I don't know if that's convincing,
00:03:22.660 but that's one of my arguments
00:03:23.740 that I would say logically following.
00:03:25.480 Yeah.
00:03:25.620 If we're going to be consistent,
00:03:26.700 all these things that are made around us
00:03:28.640 has that.
00:03:29.180 And like, for example,
00:03:29.980 we have arguments saying,
00:03:30.880 this is a Quran,
00:03:31.400 but imagine any other book.
00:03:33.460 There's information.
00:03:35.020 Yes?
00:03:35.660 Yeah.
00:03:35.940 So, information requires intelligence.
00:03:39.080 Am I right?
00:03:39.920 Yeah.
00:03:40.320 Yes?
00:03:40.580 So, when we open any book,
00:03:41.900 it might not be the Quran,
00:03:42.740 it can be any book for that matter,
00:03:43.980 Harry Potter.
00:03:44.640 You open it and there's a story.
00:03:46.060 So, you know very well
00:03:46.800 that somebody intended to write that.
00:03:49.000 Yeah.
00:03:49.180 Okay, good.
00:03:49.600 So, now, we know that we are made from DNA.
00:03:52.580 DNA has information.
00:03:54.740 Yeah.
00:03:54.960 Information requires intelligence.
00:03:57.440 So, a single strand of DNA
00:03:59.280 has more information
00:04:00.580 than every single book on this earth.
00:04:03.340 So, my argument is that
00:04:04.660 if there's information in that DNA,
00:04:06.920 it requires intelligence.
00:04:08.580 Yeah.
00:04:08.920 And that intelligence
00:04:09.600 has to be God Almighty,
00:04:11.060 creator that created us.
00:04:12.660 That's my argument to prove that God exists.
00:04:15.080 Yeah.
00:04:15.740 That's a good point.
00:04:16.720 That's a good point.
00:04:18.040 Yes.
00:04:18.500 So, to us is that
00:04:19.700 now we have to ask the question,
00:04:21.120 is that,
00:04:21.420 okay,
00:04:22.280 if God has created us,
00:04:23.540 why are we here?
00:04:24.700 What does he want from us?
00:04:25.300 Like, I mean,
00:04:25.720 did you choose your name?
00:04:27.600 No.
00:04:27.760 I didn't choose my name.
00:04:28.540 You didn't choose your name.
00:04:29.340 Did you choose the way you look?
00:04:30.120 What purpose do we serve?
00:04:31.100 Exactly.
00:04:31.580 So, this is where we say,
00:04:32.900 like, look,
00:04:33.140 I didn't choose my siblings,
00:04:33.940 I didn't choose my mother and father,
00:04:34.900 I didn't choose my name,
00:04:35.600 I didn't choose the way I look.
00:04:36.460 Yeah?
00:04:36.640 Yeah.
00:04:36.960 Okay.
00:04:37.400 You didn't choose to be handsome.
00:04:38.920 No.
00:04:39.440 But you're just born like that.
00:04:40.640 You're not coming.
00:04:42.540 So,
00:04:43.220 I'm sorry she agrees with it, yes?
00:04:45.660 Thank you.
00:04:45.940 So, there you go.
00:04:46.460 So, the point is what?
00:04:47.340 Our purpose here has to be greater
00:04:49.180 than clubbing,
00:04:50.400 partying,
00:04:50.820 drinking,
00:04:51.600 smoking,
00:04:52.500 and all these other things,
00:04:53.600 yeah?
00:04:54.060 Yeah.
00:04:54.300 So,
00:04:55.100 me,
00:04:55.420 I came to Islam 11 years ago.
00:04:57.260 Yeah.
00:04:57.500 Even though I look like a Muslim,
00:04:58.660 I don't know what a Muslim looks like,
00:04:59.520 we have different shapes and colours,
00:05:00.540 but,
00:05:00.940 I came to Islam 11 years ago.
00:05:02.440 I used to live the,
00:05:03.520 typical Western lifestyle,
00:05:05.020 but what happens is that,
00:05:06.100 your,
00:05:06.460 your soul is always looking for something more.
00:05:08.940 That's why if you see our,
00:05:10.460 banner we have here,
00:05:11.380 it says,
00:05:11.620 are you depressed,
00:05:12.460 anxious,
00:05:12.920 unhappy?
00:05:13.740 And there's a verse in the Quran that says,
00:05:15.000 only in the remembrance of God,
00:05:17.140 do hearts find peace.
00:05:18.340 So,
00:05:18.800 I came to that realisation,
00:05:20.140 about 14 years ago.
00:05:21.300 Yeah.
00:05:21.440 Because I used to go clubbing,
00:05:22.300 partying,
00:05:22.680 holidays,
00:05:23.440 chilling with my friends,
00:05:24.220 doing all kinds of stuff.
00:05:24.900 Yeah.
00:05:25.240 But I came to a point where,
00:05:26.200 it's not happiness.
00:05:28.020 I would go to the gym,
00:05:29.440 try to look,
00:05:30.060 you know,
00:05:30.340 good.
00:05:31.060 But then there would always be someone else,
00:05:32.320 that's bigger than me,
00:05:32.840 and it would just make me unhappy.
00:05:33.900 Try to drive the best car,
00:05:34.840 somebody driving something better.
00:05:35.920 So,
00:05:36.180 what happens is you get into this,
00:05:37.120 perpetual cycle,
00:05:38.340 of finding happiness,
00:05:39.680 and then you don't.
00:05:40.640 I used to come to this very spot,
00:05:41.880 and go clubbing every week.
00:05:43.000 But,
00:05:43.140 I came to the point where I was like,
00:05:44.940 I'm not happy.
00:05:46.040 Why?
00:05:46.340 Because,
00:05:47.180 anything that you have in the world,
00:05:48.480 like if I put both of you guys on a train,
00:05:50.180 and you had everything that you could ever want on a train,
00:05:52.340 there's two questions you'd ask yourself.
00:05:53.960 Who put me on this train,
00:05:54.840 and where am I going?
00:05:56.100 Besides all of the things that you have.
00:05:57.620 So,
00:05:57.800 to us is that,
00:05:58.760 we believe that it's important for us to have a relation with God.
00:06:01.720 Otherwise,
00:06:02.180 what happens is,
00:06:02.860 I see this whole earth like a jungle.
00:06:04.920 Yeah.
00:06:05.080 Yeah.
00:06:05.400 And we are bound to harm ourselves,
00:06:07.400 if we don't follow what God Almighty has won for us.
00:06:09.820 So,
00:06:10.000 for us,
00:06:10.280 we believe the Quran has been sent by God Almighty.
00:06:12.000 We believe that it's the same God that communicated with Jesus.
00:06:15.920 Yeah.
00:06:16.280 Which Christians have.
00:06:17.420 Moses,
00:06:18.080 Judaism.
00:06:19.540 So,
00:06:19.840 the purpose is what?
00:06:20.660 To fill a fulfilled life.
00:06:22.540 Alcohol is one of the biggest poisons on our planet.
00:06:24.620 On our earth.
00:06:25.340 Yes?
00:06:25.780 It's one of the actual leading causes of breast cancer.
00:06:28.460 So,
00:06:28.900 the point is what?
00:06:29.600 That,
00:06:30.500 our culture has taught us,
00:06:32.140 that going to the pint,
00:06:33.200 going to the pub and having a pint,
00:06:35.000 it's seen as a cultural thing,
00:06:36.240 but it's harming us.
00:06:37.240 It's killing us.
00:06:38.080 But why?
00:06:38.460 Because society has made it a norm,
00:06:40.500 it's become something we've adopted.
00:06:42.200 But it's killing us slowly.
00:06:43.920 So,
00:06:44.340 we believe God Almighty has sent the Quran
00:06:45.760 and is telling us to live by certain laws
00:06:47.940 that is best for us.
00:06:49.240 Just like the phone that you have,
00:06:50.700 the creator who made that will tell you,
00:06:52.900 don't throw your phone in fire,
00:06:54.260 it's going to burn.
00:06:55.160 Yeah.
00:06:55.460 So,
00:06:55.700 in a nutshell,
00:06:56.100 obviously I don't want to give you guys a sermon.
00:06:57.420 But,
00:06:57.800 yeah,
00:06:57.980 that's my argument why God exists.
00:06:59.340 And,
00:06:59.580 if you have any questions,
00:07:00.640 please don't feel free to ask.
00:07:03.140 I'm trying to think of a good question.
00:07:04.960 If you do have any,
00:07:05.580 if you don't have any,
00:07:06.000 it's fine.
00:07:06.400 My argument is just to prove God exists.
00:07:07.580 I hope that it's filled with purpose.
00:07:08.760 I can't believe a question on the spot,
00:07:10.580 but,
00:07:10.920 that's fine.
00:07:11.440 Definitely.
00:07:12.080 That's fine.
00:07:12.460 I mean,
00:07:12.920 hopefully that's something full-provoking
00:07:14.300 and I'll give you guys a Quran.
00:07:15.780 Yeah.
00:07:15.980 And if you have any questions,
00:07:16.900 I'm here every Friday,
00:07:18.020 Sunday,
00:07:18.220 but you guys live up north.
00:07:19.520 But yeah,
00:07:19.900 can I give you guys a free Quran?
00:07:21.240 Yeah,
00:07:21.440 yeah,
00:07:21.620 sure.
00:07:21.960 Yeah,
00:07:22.080 you've already got one.
00:07:22.980 Yeah,
00:07:23.200 I've got one.
00:07:23.620 I'll give Holly one.
00:07:25.020 Thank you for your time.
00:07:25.960 That's all right.
00:07:26.440 If you have any questions,
00:07:27.540 let me know.
00:07:27.820 If not,
00:07:28.060 I'll end the...
00:07:29.640 I don't think I've got a question.
00:07:31.380 I can't think of a question.
00:07:32.280 So,
00:07:32.740 I would assume now,
00:07:33.960 Frankie and Holly
00:07:34.640 believes in some sort of a creator?
00:07:38.000 There's definitely something out there.
00:07:40.320 Yeah,
00:07:40.560 so,
00:07:40.720 you guys were...
00:07:41.900 That makes a lot of sense
00:07:42.980 when you put it like that.
00:07:44.360 Yeah,
00:07:44.600 exactly.
00:07:44.960 That's just argument.
00:07:45.580 That's what I'm here to do.
00:07:46.540 Yeah.
00:07:46.880 So,
00:07:47.120 I'm assuming you guys were an atheist
00:07:48.300 about five minutes ago.
00:07:49.120 Now you're more fierce,
00:07:50.640 should we say.
00:07:51.020 at least if you're being there sometime.
00:07:52.400 Okay,
00:07:52.640 I'm leaning.
00:07:54.180 Yeah,
00:07:54.480 send me a believer.
00:07:54.960 I like that.
00:07:55.280 That's a good one.
00:07:56.460 Thank you.
00:07:57.000 Thank you for your time, guys.
00:07:57.740 It was a pleasure.
00:07:58.360 My name is Ali Dawa.
00:07:59.420 Nice to meet you.
00:08:00.700 I'll give you my YouTube channel name.
00:08:02.400 The video will be released there.
00:08:04.440 So,
00:08:04.780 if you guys want to watch,
00:08:05.840 watch yourselves.
00:08:12.420 A-L-I?
00:08:13.460 Sorry,
00:08:13.720 I'll do it for you.
00:08:14.560 Yeah.
00:08:18.960 Yeah,
00:08:19.300 that's my channel.
00:08:19.900 Let's see ya.
00:08:22.060 Oh.
00:08:22.680 Yeah,
00:08:23.020 so,
00:08:23.260 yeah,
00:08:24.000 this video was a bit heated.
00:08:25.840 One of the Tommy Robinson fans came here.
00:08:27.240 It was a bit hostile.
00:08:28.480 Yeah.
00:08:29.000 Yeah,
00:08:29.260 yeah,
00:08:29.460 so,
00:08:29.840 one of them might have like civilized discussions
00:08:31.800 about current affairs
00:08:32.540 and all that kind of stuff.
00:08:33.280 Yeah,
00:08:33.500 yeah.
00:08:34.740 Yeah,
00:08:35.020 that's awesome.
00:08:35.800 Yeah,
00:08:36.240 yeah,
00:08:37.320 yeah,
00:08:37.660 yeah.
00:08:38.320 Well,
00:08:38.620 it's been coming to you.
00:08:39.220 Yeah,
00:08:39.340 I've been doing it for about 11 years.
00:08:40.720 So,
00:08:41.080 yeah,
00:08:41.280 thank you very much.
00:08:41.980 Thank you,
00:08:42.240 sister Holly.
00:08:42.880 Thank you,
00:08:43.300 have a nice time.
00:08:44.080 Look after yourself.
00:08:44.640 Take care.
00:08:44.960 Bye-bye.
00:08:45.240 Oh,
00:08:45.960 I mean,
00:08:47.200 that was a nice discussion,
00:08:48.120 guys,
00:08:48.300 as you can see.
00:08:48.960 Hello.
00:08:49.200 Hello.
00:08:49.460 I do believe in this very true.
00:08:52.460 Hello.