CAN AFGHANS TRUST TALIBAN? - DISCUSSION
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In this episode, we talk about the current situation in Afghanistan, the current government and the current regime. In this session, we are joined by two guests, a student and a student's teacher, to discuss the situation in the country.
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assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh brothers and sisters and dear friends hope
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you guys are well inshallah and welcome back uh brothers and sisters uh before i start i want
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to praise allah subhanahu wa ta'ala the most merciful the most just or praises glory and
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gratitude belong to him um so obviously a lot of people me myself i don't know
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about mohammed hijab uh but a lot of people have been pressuring us about afghanistan situation and
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talk about it why you're not talking about you talk about everything why you're not talking about
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this so i just want to make something clear first first of all i've got two brilliant guests here
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today i've got brother rahmatullah nawroz and sister marwa uh brother rahmatullah i know brother rahmat
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uh brother rahmatullah um i think we have met a couple of times and he's bought me a gift as well
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which is the afghan clothing he hasn't given to me yet but in october he'll be given and i'll be
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definitely trying it on and maybe do a little youtube video sister marwa is someone i do not
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know but i did do a request um on my instagram because i thought it's important to have a
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sister's take uh sister marwa is from uh she's afghani um and yeah she's going to be um adding
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some things inshallah a lot of things to this discussion so today i'm going to be a student
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and i'm going to have sister marwa and brother rahmatullah as my teachers who are going to
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educate me to the whole thing that's been escalating and what's been going on so may
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allah bless uh both you guys assalamualaikum okay so we've got brother rahmatullah you are in
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malaysia i'm in germany right now all right you're in germany i've moved to germany since three years
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you don't even know oh wow i don't know i'm sorry i don't even know where i am sometimes myself
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that's fine that's good sister marwa you are from california you're from california okay um all right
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so tell us a bit about yourself not in detail um you're both afghani yeah so i'll start off with
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you for having this session and opportunity to speak about afghanistan uh i'm heavily involved
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in afghanistan alhamdulillah i'm running the organization in fact two organizations afghanistan
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with more than 50 employees and also a number of schools my own family i'm the only person from
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the family who's outside afghanistan so the situation i'm aware i'm following in closing
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and uh inshallah this session will be beneficial because i have interacted with the previous
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government with the current regime and i've met right from the ministers to the governors and i've
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worked with them with each one of them and inshallah we'll be sharing those stories uh my interaction
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with the previous ministers and interaction with the current regime right now uh and i'm based in
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so that's all i think for this discussion inshallah okay sister mara uh jazakala hi brother for
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having this seminars discussion um i am based in california um i have never been to afghanistan
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but i am a young adult who wants to speak out for um her country and especially the women
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there because there are many uh bias and propaganda going around on instagram facebook twitter um on
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all of these social media platforms and i would like to say a few words about those okay that's
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good excellent so can i ask both you guys a question did you guys because you said you was
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not born in afghanistan sister mara did your family like did they when did they leave is it because
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of the war or is it just outside the war uh same question to you brother rahmatullah after inshallah
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sister mara yeah yeah so um just hearing from my dad and my mom's uh stories uh they left to be
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once the the first time the taliban came to kabul so um the situation wasn't good and my parents uh did not
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want their kids growing up in such a place with war and uh crime so they decided to um come to
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tajikistan and then after tajikistan they um illegally uh went from tajikistan to russia and then from russia
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we came to uh america so when was this this was what 20 years ago 25 years yeah 19 1996 okay yeah so
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about about 20 years okay and brother rahmatullah did you you or your family was there a reason
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specifically you left afghanistan because of that um i did not leave for because of the war my whole
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family is there i'm the only person from my family that who is outside of pakistan and i went to
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malaysia for educational purposes and then i moved to germany for my family reasons but it wasn't because
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of war okay um and you i uh sister mara you're from kabul your family yes okay and brother rahmatullah
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i'm from duristan which is a bit uh remote uh province from kabul but we are living in kabul my
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family is living in kabul okay so what's your okay so let's go 20 20 plus maybe years ago um or exactly
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20 years ago actually in september it's going to be 9 11 happens how did it impact you um sister mara i
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don't know how old you was then but i don't know if you remember it but how did it impact both you guys
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because it did impact muslims as a whole i can remember when that happened i used to live outside
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london i was not a muslim and i was getting abuse you know because i looked muslim um so how did it
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yeah sure um so when 9 11 happened i was one years old so i don't remember it that much but just hearing
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from my dad and my mom's perspective uh when we were in russia um uh we in russia my dad he had
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like in russia there was a lot of racism against muslims and so when when 9 11 happened that kind
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of escalated to its max uh to the point where my dad when he would go to work he would have to um
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either take me or my uh younger siblings because the police would stop him um so that's that but i
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don't really remember like from my own personal experience i don't remember 9 11 okay
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before 9 11 i would like to give them a bit of background why 9 11 happened why america invaded
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afghanistan and so on and so forth yeah just to i'm not going to speak with more statistics and dates
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and year i will go with the flow of the discussion so it's easy for everybody to understand what happened
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yes please yeah it wasn't the trade center which made america invade afghanistan okay it america was
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involved in afghanistan from 1991 soviet the soviet yes they were funding the mujahideen through pakistan
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and saudi arabia to fight against the soviet union yes and when they fought the money was given as a
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form of donation of zakat so and so forth from people from the gulf countries like emirat saudi
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channeling through pakistan to afghanistan and there were camps in pakistan which were
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the training centers the camps which there are a lot of famous camps in uh in in peshawar as well as in
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uh in the whole area camps which were actually famous for this work they funded that money to
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fight the soviet union and in 1991 soviet union collapsed and they were forced to leave afghanistan
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and the funding which was given to the government through soviet union of course that funding stopped
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the government had nothing in the banks or reserve so the suede the russians are gone
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and the najibullah government was in power so what happened those mujahideen which were funded by the
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americans the americans were closely involved with them but they took tribalism like pashtun tajik
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uzbak and uh hazara they took tribalism and they fought each other because of power one wanted to become
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the prime minister second wanted to become the minister or the president they were fighting each other to a
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degree that the rape was common the blocks and every road was there for example pashtun wouldn't be able
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to travel to tajik area tajik wouldn't be able to travel to pashtun area uh my sisters here i'm sorry
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to say that they literally chopped the breast of women in front of their men so they can decorate them what
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they did they chop their heads both parties all the warlords were involved in killing machines in fact
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there were roadblocks and the man would stand without any pant and he'll tell you when you're
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crossing that roadblock either you pay me money i will rape your woman in front of you the man of the
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standing without any pants can you believe that in fact there were famous people which happened to
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later become the parliament mps known by the dogs because they used to eat and bite people and
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chalk their meats with their teeth that was the situation what happened and ca was heavily involved
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with these warlords supporting them for example among them was steve cool uh black cooper they were
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literally in working with northern alliance uh informing different groups in that area so what happened in
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1994 the first military operation started by taliban and kandahar to defend the people the ordinary
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people from these warlords and to protect them and actually this started with the rape case of a girl
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who was raped forcefully and this is a true story if i'm a warlord and i see your wife is beautiful i
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will just knock your door and take your wife and kill you that's the true story i mean people can label it
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whatever they wanted so there was no jihad no islam whatsoever in a group taliban were mostly people
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who were uh sent by their parents to pakistan to learn islamic education they were in madrasas
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so in kandahar the first activity started to defend a innocent girl who was raped by a warlord
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and then the movement started and pakistan the situation is a great movement why not we send all the
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students from madrasas they send them so in 1996 in september they took over the government why people
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supported them because they were less corrupt they were saying okay we are going with the
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sharia law and we will not harm anybody protect everyone there will be safety and what happened in
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those areas even in the time of taliban were in power they couldn't control the northern side of
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afghanistan like northern alliance which was panchir parwan and these areas were not controlled and
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especially those areas mostly led by famous commander uh masoud hamashal masoud and cia was
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literally funding those people to fight the taliban at the same time working with some areas of the
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talib with some of the talibans to make sure that the country is not going in the hands of russians
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again or the chinese don't come over and there were economical reasons which we will discuss later on
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yeah uh which was a pipeline from tajikistan we'd call it tapi uh which involves pakistan india and
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afghanistan and afghanistan was a core strategic location for that pipeline so therefore they need
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to have somebody who can they trust in that area so in 9-11 it could be a debatable matter we can
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debate it today but we don't have to do that and i don't have to go into details 9-11 wasn't uh something
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that was done by the afghani people none of the citizens were afghan non-iraqi they were mostly
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saudi citizen and they took that as a point of a reason to attack iraq and afghanistan and then
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libya i personally believe as professor steve uh steve cool that they believe that 9-11 was inside job
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it was a reason for america to you know allow themselves to go to the iraq and go to the afghanistan
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and have war and when 9-11 happened there's there's a sorry you know there's a website called
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rethink 9-11 i can remember when i was looking into islam i was i joined this group called rethink 9-11
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it was 2 000 individual experts and then there were demolition experts and scientists who were basically
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going against its own narrative you know how the buildings fell to world trade center seven falling
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down field uh free fall uh with just office fire uh the pentagon being hit no cameras um the whole of
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the pentagon like the wings there's so much stuff it's unbelievable and there's a whole discussion about
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did this even happen uh in the context of the way it happened let alone was um afghanistan involved when
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it was a saudi citizen that was doing it so it's all mishmash uh but regardless that's all discussion on its
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own yeah let's let's even say that happens let's agree on that part with most people that they say
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it happened it happened fine so why did they invade afghanistan because of osama bin laden and
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interestingly enough you could find other means to pressure a country to give up individual like you
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can stop the financial institution yeah you can blacklist them you can work at them you can do tarif on
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them there are hundreds of other ways which are non-war related ways that you can pressure a country
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to give up individual that's number one they're doing with iran they're doing with iran and we will
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come to those discussions anyway yeah so they did not do that they came to afghanistan and without the
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approval of even security council of united states nation there was no approval uh it wasn't discussed
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publicly in terms of that there were three reasons why they came to afghanistan number one was
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economical reason the the defense contractor were making huge amount of money we will talk about them
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spending in afghanistan and number two the geographical location they want to have a close contact with
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russia and china so they had to be there and also they want to keep control pakistan in order so yeah
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they're in area so they invaded in afghanistan once they invaded i remember i was i was born in
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in 1993 the first missile hit our province not closely we were living in lagman it hit in jahalabad
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and the american invaded nobody knew and the discussion was going on for the airspace and the land they
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discussed with india and the india couldn't agree they discussed with pakistan pakistan agreed and there
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were people involved i don't have to go to the details of each person who was involved in um nawasharif and
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all those people yeah so they invaded afghanistan so what they did i'm going to jump on the point
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yeah they again brought those people those warlords which was despised by the people and give way to
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taliban to come and put them in the position and the authority and make them for example the people
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they they killed the whole uh taliban regime they killed half a million children more than one million
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and they brought the same people people like okay let me make this uh disclaimer disclaimer i have to
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make this i'm speaking from no sides i'm not outside of taliban near side of the previous government or
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current government i'm an independent afghan who is independently working in afghanistan yeah and uh
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the only thing that i'm happy that the invasion is over but i'm not taking any side if i'm taking names
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it does not mean that i'm against somebody or whatsoever i'm merely quoting the history and
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those history which are you know the documented history anybody who want to check some of the
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books i can reference them and they can check and read it but i'm going to speak as well so names like
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dostum who was warlord who killed documented by bbc 5000 taliban who were surrendered to what's his name
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dostum is this the guy who fled to turkey yes so he's in turkey now no no he's in tajikistan now
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he isn't he fled to tajikistan now he's a war criminal like he's done like they say i don't know
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stories i heard stories that he put 5000 taliban into a container and threw them in the desert and
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some kind i don't i heard i don't know how true this yes i mean i can go in details of each person but
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i'm just merely quoting okay so they put those people in power and the families were killed they
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did not bother about the families of taliban okay every talib you have killed he has a son grandson
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or so ever what will happen to them yeah they put all those people in power corruption on the rise and
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why american put the corruption order so they can channel the money back to america like each person
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was earning a monthly salary 60 000 200 000 my father was sub-governor in nuristan
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sub-governor third position in avanistan it's a big position so i personally talked to americans to the
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army and mostly were subcontractors by the army like blackwater titan and casey they were the
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subcontractor and each army person he had salary of 60 000 30 000 monthly salary can you believe that
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wonderfully wow simple people and the reason they're saying okay you know we are funding
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afghanistan and we spend this much money that money was channeled back to america like can you believe
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in the camp i've personally visited american camps in afghanistan they call base a cup of pepsi
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do you know pepsi would cost 49 in the camp and outside you can buy it with 50 cents oh my gosh
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washing your clothes washing your clothes one pair of clothes would cost you 100 inside the camp
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but outside the camp it would cost you 10 cent so that's how they channeled the money they brought
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they send the money to afghanistan and then they channeled it back through themselves and their
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contractors to send it back to america so that's the one story so 9-11 in general uh we will go on
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next phrase it if it destroyed the whole country it kills more than million people
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every day 9-11 in america was every day 9-11 in afghanistan no place was safe and american they
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put wrong people in power yeah corruption was the highest level which we will of course in discussion
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talk about it and money family were lost in the country infrastructure and the zero and then they're
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saying we have spent the money where is none of the you don't have infrastructure in the country
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and most money was spent in the defense which was channeled back to america can i ask sister marwa
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did your family um did your family did you have any family casualties like or people that you knew
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uh when let's talk about before america i don't know if you know like if you if you knew like before
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americans arrived to after the americans arrived did you have any family casualties like for example
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because of the war yeah when my dad was there um he told me a story about himself he was i believe 20
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and he was going to school um he was on one of those uh i don't know you would call it like the big
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buses yeah and um the uh the american i believe it was the american team or the soviet union take one of
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them he uh they just came right on top of the bus and anyone who was in front of the bus literally
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just died and my dad was in the back so the front seat came upon his um uh legs and he still has scarring
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till this day and somehow he was able to get out um was that was that a bomb attack or
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no it was just a tank going over the bus oh a tank going over them yes oh my gosh yeah
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and you know do you have family members like for example when
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taliban was ruling you know because we do see these images of women in absolute
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burqas were even the eyes covered and you know these these images you know that the western world
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was sharing of you know these women who are there and they're going to be stoned to death or some kind
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of i don't know how much you know about this but any female family members did they ever mention to
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so so so back uh back then when the when the taliban first came i heard stories like from my family
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members that they were pretty strict like they had curfew in place um women were not allowed to go
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outside without a male partner um they did have to wear the full burqas like the the the blue hijabs
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that you guys see um and yeah i believe i didn't hear about like any stoning or any of that but um
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i mean i do see it from the western media but now um i'm hearing that they're more open-minded
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and um i mean if you watch the the biggest newscast of afghanistan which is called tolon news
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uh the reporter was a woman and uh she was interviewing a taliban so um so brother rahmatullah
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so did any of you like how was it i don't know if you know yourself but by any family female family
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members um when taliban we're talking about taliban 20 years ago maybe or you know how were they then
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is it true like you know they wouldn't allow girls to go school um and then all these accusations
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i don't know is it true can you educate me yeah uh taliban from 1996 to 2001 uh they were all
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people who came from madrasa and young individuals they barely passed 30s and they were implementing
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they thought they'd be implementing sharia but it was no longer sharia say like uh it they were
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trying to implement sharia but it was no longer sharia it was an extreme form of sharia yeah that
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it was no longer the book of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala implemented yeah for example people would
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get beat up for their beard being shot for not wearing turban uh for female not going to uh you know
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for female going to school education so on and so forth that part of the history and no no doubt that
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they had huge problems they had huge huge problems on themselves can we say instead of using i'm i'm not
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blaming you i know what you're trying to say but instead of using because they can come across wrong
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extreme form of sharia can we say that it was a lack of the sharia there was sharia missing because
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as i said earlier they were using extreme form it was no longer sharia exactly yeah so it's no longer
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sure because i know some people are going to because they already have this particular sharia
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when you say they're thinking oh there's different levels now they they went there's no level i said
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they were using extreme form which was no longer sharia no longer sharia that's it yes yes so those
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rules and internally they had problems they had like bachabazi problem uh you know having boys around
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them which was a big problem they had problem i mean we can list them and most of the thing which
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of course the media is saying it's not 100 true but they did have problem like stoning people
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elaborate i'm so sorry can you just elaborate you know the bachabazi i don't need to go into detail
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but there might be some people they don't know what you're talking about and because the thing is
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it's you don't need to go into detail but there are warlords who would use these boys who were i think
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dressed as i don't know i've seen like yes the bachabazi is a local term which basically mean that
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you're used you know we have this uh gay system which can label very nicely but in afghanistan it's
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bachabazi okay so basically it's a person who is a warlord who is a commander who is a powerful guy
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he has one or two boys and he sleeps with them he makes them dance and blah and so on and so forth
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so that was the term bachabazi okay they had that problem which was very common unfortunately the
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second problem they had was uh the the treatments of women towards the education so on and so forth
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the treatment of men and it was the judgment was only on the table whatever man decided that's a
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judgment there was no proper government system no proper justice system um and the other problem that
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they were facing is that following one opinion always that was the only opinion they believed and
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they couldn't agree with other opinions yeah so of course they had many problems and now they've
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come completely different people but i would say it's too earlier to accept what they're saying
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they're merely words yeah we haven't seen them in action so we will see them in action we will
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discuss of course we have time we will go to that details as well okay sister mara um so do you trust
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like for example as a muslim woman do you trust what the taliban is saying when it comes to for example
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how they're going to treat women because at the end of the day let's be honest here you know we
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don't care who it is you know at the end of the day you know we have to be just here um like what
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they were doing before like woman not allowed to be educated not work all these kind of stuff i mean
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this is very far from the sharia you know um you know at the end of the yes you know we know the
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prophet did say that the best place for a woman is at home except this doesn't mean you don't let
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them go out because you know we know umar ibn khattab boycotted his son because his son said i'm
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not going to let my wife go to the masjid and he said this is against the sunnah so the thing is here
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and we know umar ibn khattab and he even appointed a woman to manage the markets so the thing is here
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that we can see and we know how i want to say harsh but you know how umar ibn khattab was and you know
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him to appoint um someone a female to manage the markets etc and even there's a narration that says that
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you know once he was corrected by the same woman when it came to the mahr of the uh females you
00:26:03.360
know when he said that woman will ask for too much mahr and the woman quoted the quran ayah and he
00:26:08.900
said no this is the raya what allah has given us you know umar ibn khattab said the woman is right
00:26:12.180
and umar is wrong and if we look and this is what we see the beauty of islaming you know people think
00:26:17.100
the more you make it haram and everything is haram and that means you're following the correct islam
00:26:21.320
everything is haram everything is restricted and this is not the case because you know we know the sunnah
00:26:25.000
of the prophet is that he would always pick an easier option so as a muslim woman do you think
00:26:30.140
what the taliban are saying can you are you can you trust them um have they really changed have
00:26:36.280
they learned a lesson have they come to the correct understanding of islam or are you skeptical
00:26:40.180
um well it's really hard to say now because it's only been like a week or like five days that they have
00:26:48.920
you know um taken over the land and i mean so far what i've been watching um on youtube there's this
00:26:56.220
guy called hamayun afghan he's an interviewer and he's on the ground in afghanistan and um he uh
00:27:03.940
interviewed um the taliban there currently right now and he also interviewed like people uh regarding
00:27:11.540
like are you scared um do you fear them um and majority of them you know say positive things
00:27:18.660
about them so uh i mean i personally don't care who's you know um ruling the land as long as
00:27:26.820
secular governments are no longer there right and as long as the law of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is
00:27:34.000
being applied there right and and i know for some women here in the west that's i was i'm so sorry
00:27:39.740
forgive me for i mean just to me like a lot of people watching this i mean the western world
00:27:44.620
watching a muslim woman 21 years old marwa in california saying that she wants the secular law
00:27:50.920
out of there is like i mean we came there to rescue you we came there to you know you know the white
00:27:56.060
man's burden you know we came there to you know save you and away from this oppresses taliban taliban
00:28:00.960
and you're here you you want sharia law and you don't want a secular government can you elaborate on
00:28:05.880
that because that to me is profound you know someone watching this in the west i'm going to be like
00:28:09.180
yeah yeah um well if you think about it um it's 2021 right and women cannot go to school get a job
00:28:20.960
go to the beach or accompany their children right but if they go against what they are ordered to wear
00:28:27.400
and will end up getting fined or arrested right and here i'm not talking about afghanistan i'm talking
00:28:34.140
about france right so if you think about it in afghanistan right um people like women here in
00:28:43.340
the west think that freedom and not being oppressed comprises of not wearing the hijab right not like
00:28:51.680
going out with a male companion and all that right but this is this is like this is all of what
00:28:59.280
allah subhanahu wa ta'ala compromised within the sharia law right and um for some uh young adults
00:29:07.520
especially here in the u.s this is hard to take in because they haven't been educated on their deen
00:29:13.420
because they haven't been um you know seen the the actual islam for what it is right um they've always
00:29:23.440
seen men with bearded guys and guns holding a gun over a woman right which is coming from mainstream
00:29:31.680
media from the west well of course the the the america admitted that they spent a half a billion
00:29:37.740
pounds on fake propaganda videos half a billion not a million five hundred million pounds on fake
00:29:44.580
propaganda videos just to touch upon something you said something about uh females not being able to go
00:29:49.940
to school with hijabs etc some people might think you're talking about afghanistan i'm assuming you're
00:29:54.320
talking about maybe france if i'm not mistaken yes yes france just to clarify that because you know
00:29:59.120
when you talk about they're not allowed and this that the first thing that comes to people's mind is
00:30:02.300
taliban here we go again actually we're talking about france here but yeah carry on please
00:30:06.200
yeah so i mean um my only advice for my fellow afghans and muslims here in the u.s and in the west in
00:30:17.760
general is to be careful about your sources right i see people posting and reposting stuff um like
00:30:25.440
there was a cartoon picture of this girl and she was holding her piano and she was wearing the burqa and
00:30:31.460
then behind her was um a bunch of taliban carrying guns on top of her like what this shows me is that
00:30:40.320
before we even allow the taliban currently to even implement what they're trying to implement
00:30:48.020
right we're already coming to conclusion because of what happened to the past right exactly yeah like
00:30:54.480
you can't do that that's exactly there was a woman who escaped afghanistan and she i think there was a
00:30:59.600
little glimpse of it was on bbc and she was she's like we came here the taliban's gonna kill us woman
00:31:04.840
like she was like proper dramatic and and i think it was fear mongering we can't even really blame her
00:31:10.140
and in the context where yes the taliban before may have been oppressive i don't know about killing
00:31:15.700
may have been really oppressive towards a woman which is against the the sharia uh the you know
00:31:20.540
very clearly so they were very very um scared you know subhanallah so i think there is some kind of
00:31:25.980
indoctrination uh where this where people are scared that people are holding on to planes when i saw
00:31:30.960
that video of people falling off the planes while i thought that's not real that's photoshopped
00:31:35.140
and i couldn't believe that actually people were holding on to that plane you know and i did i
00:31:40.160
maybe you can correct this for me but that whole mayhem happened in that airport because the people
00:31:47.300
were told that the west are accepting refugees or something along those lines that is the reason why
00:31:52.600
am i correct to say that that it wasn't because they were running from taliban but it was that they
00:31:57.340
were told that the doors were open to the western world is that correct yes yeah that's correct
00:32:03.920
actually this disaster is also created by western countries like taliban have announced honest uh
00:32:10.120
the forgiveness they've forgiven everyone in afghanistan but i would say taliban should ask
00:32:14.840
forgiveness from other people as well because they have also killed and heard innocent civilians in
00:32:20.560
afghanistan what the western countries they did what they do right now they're actually planning in that way
00:32:25.960
yeah they have spent money on educating people and now they're announcing every country that i'm
00:32:31.860
accepting 20 000 people without passport without visa just come to the airport yeah and many people
00:32:37.760
are coming there not because they're scared of taliban yeah just because they want to have access to
00:32:41.800
the west economical market so on and so forth and the second thing is what they do they want to take
00:32:46.760
all the educated people the skills workers so once they're they're gone and the country is empty
00:32:52.800
with people because we only have 20 percent people who are educated the 80 percent are not educated yeah
00:32:58.100
if we take the 20 percent then what left there coming to the women part there is a huge uh hypocrisy
00:33:05.120
unfortunately when we are talking about women rights yeah we only when we talk about women rights we go to
00:33:10.440
the muslim countries like yemen or somalia uh we go to afghanistan and pakistan and those countries
00:33:16.400
yeah but let's talk about women rights in the western countries yeah they're getting their rights no for
00:33:22.140
example in germany that country that i'm living every other there's a domestic case against a woman
00:33:27.160
every other right now we spoke one domestic case already happened in america there are 130 million
00:33:33.480
people with hiv diseases the single motherhood even even in london one they say that there's one
00:33:39.120
million people in london that have some kind of sexual disease yeah i mean look at the the single
00:33:45.700
motherhood case look at the streets of california yeah london the homeless we do not have a single
00:33:51.280
homeless woman in afghanistan yeah but they're also women please respect them and give them some
00:33:56.040
rights now if we come to afghanistan again the hypocrisy continues with their clothing if they
00:34:01.720
wear the clothes and the western countries there are subjugated they have been forced to wear these
00:34:07.440
clothes if they pushing it to not wear in afghanistan so if the same woman she's choosing to wear in
00:34:14.060
afghanistan yeah then it's a problematic it's fine if she's not wearing it's not fine i don't know
00:34:19.480
the hypocrisy level is very high in the country you know white white man's burden yeah yeah i've
00:34:25.860
heard that actually syndrome is it syndrome like what's it called hijab is it white man's burden
00:34:29.920
syndrome yeah i think we should have another one white woman's burden syndrome because this is all
00:34:34.280
you know feminists coming to rescue the i think it can be a big podcast it can be a big podcast for
00:34:40.900
example in saudi arabia so they were chopping heads they were not concerned about that but they were
00:34:45.200
concerned about driving yeah for example right now you should not be concerned about women educated
00:34:49.620
in afghanistan they are all married they all have children they have beautiful life nobody's single
00:34:53.900
in afghanistan you have single motherhood case in the whole america solve that first if you're too
00:34:58.740
concerned about human lives then go to africa solve their humanitarian cases give them facilities for
00:35:05.360
the labors and to live and at least be safe millions of women are dying every year the education is more
00:35:10.240
important or life is more important exactly i think they should take care of these matters first before
00:35:14.680
they point out fingers to afghanistan exactly let's talk about afghanistan yeah no definitely you know
00:35:19.800
you have people absolute hypocrites a fake ex-muslims there's this woman called yasmin i don't know what
00:35:24.360
her name is an absolute you know hypocrite you know um she's there to talking about women's riots and
00:35:29.620
stuff like that and she lives in america and i'm just trying to find the article here as i'm speaking
00:35:34.280
that's why i was scrolling uh not that i wasn't listening i was listening to you basically there
00:35:37.680
was um cj world wallerman i think that's what his name is and he made a point where he was talking
00:35:43.680
about i'm trying to find it here there were some stats that he gave about 50 000 women per day or
00:35:49.860
some of those nights forced prostitution and all this kind of stuff in the american world if you look
00:35:54.640
into the american world with the with the porn industry and what is going on on a pandemic level where
00:36:00.460
you have people you know incest levels you know people who are so sorry sister while i please
00:36:04.940
forgive me and and while i would you not but i don't want to go into details it's crazy the stuff
00:36:10.300
that's going you know um against the muslim um against the western woman you know they are made to
00:36:15.780
feel so ugly i'm reading a book called beauty sick i mean if you watch that if you read that um the
00:36:21.500
author is basically talking about the sickness that these young girls have that they are fasting you
00:36:26.440
know we fast as muslims in ramadan yeah these girls are systematically fasting
00:36:30.260
to have the perfect body they are not happy with their self they can't go out without makeup they
00:36:35.760
are doing plastic surgery that is killing them i read the article where a brazilian woman or whoever
00:36:40.660
they're going to get certain implants and they die in the process i mean they're literally dying
00:36:46.160
and they come here and making it seem as the muslim woman is the you know the one who needs help
00:36:51.800
when you are drowning you're literally drowning and you're here trying to help someone else so there is
00:36:57.240
big hypocrisy happening there and these people are just taking advantage of it
00:37:01.740
alhamdulillah i have four sisters yeah yeah and i've never heard from them or from other relatives of mine
00:37:07.560
that they are going through some sort of depression when i came to the west and talked to every sister
00:37:13.020
she is going through some sort of depression either she's insecure from her body from her look or she's
00:37:19.200
insecure because she doesn't have a boyfriend or people men are not looking at her
00:37:23.700
wallahi the disaster that's happening to female in the western countries yeah the pressure that
00:37:29.640
they are under i mean the subjugation that they are getting right now here they have been sexually
00:37:34.600
objectified that that's not a concern of the media but what's the concern if a girl is going to the
00:37:40.460
school in afghanistan or not that's the concern and do they really care about problems yeah do they
00:37:45.360
really care about that let's be honest here yeah no did america and the western world
00:37:49.700
go to afghanistan because the most because the muslim woman there were not allowed to go schools
00:37:56.620
and are being oppressed let's be real here did the american sister marwa do you believe that the
00:38:01.740
american government and the british government and the australian government and these governments
00:38:06.280
who have committed war crimes they have committed war crimes that a this this absolute scumbag filthy
00:38:11.800
there's a guy called harris sultan an absolute scumbag yeah actually well he was trying to get me
00:38:16.940
banned from australia check this out yeah one of the reasons he wanted me banned from australia which
00:38:21.080
i'm going to go australia and i'm going to take a picture with a kangaroo and send it to him anyways
00:38:24.180
yeah while having coconut water um he wanted me banned the reason he wanted me banned is because
00:38:29.780
he this is his accusation so he's he's complaining to the australian government about me and here's the
00:38:34.320
following ali dawa accusing the australian government of war crimes australia itself if i'm not mistaken
00:38:41.600
very sure there was an article they themselves accept that war has happened but you have admitted
00:38:46.700
you have this guy who has you know he's an insecure white boy wannabe this insecure guy who's trying to
00:38:53.820
suck up to the australian government by saying hey look man he's accusing you guys of war crimes with
00:38:59.340
australian government themselves the point i'm trying to make here is how insignificant the muslim life is
00:39:05.380
in in his eyes so much so that he is trying to defend the australian government which he is a ref he
00:39:11.660
was a refugee yeah he was a refugee who uh claimed asylum there yeah probably because of the false
00:39:17.640
pretense of i'm an ex-muslim they want to kill me you know like we got nothing better to do and go after
00:39:22.500
uh little um intellectual midgets like you you know so the thing is and i've seen his instagram he keeps
00:39:28.160
posting muscles like very insecure guy like all his instagram was about muscles so you can see he's a very
00:39:33.960
insecure person but what really caught my eye was that not not just his instagram
00:39:38.820
i'm so sorry i found it very funny i went on his instagram wallahi aki most of his pictures yeah
00:39:48.180
most of his pictures i lived the jahili life yeah okay i had moments of my life when i was a bit
00:39:52.300
insecure and i would always take pictures in the gym like oh look at my muscles oh look at me i look so
00:39:55.520
you know and all his pictures are like he's trying to seem uh strong and there's there's a statement you
00:40:02.160
know the stronger you try to look the weaker you are but anyways let's move away from this little
00:40:05.540
boy um yeah i just want to comment on this i have debated him in 2009 but the boy we had a yeah the
00:40:12.940
boy the boy the boy yes okay yeah okay i've debated him and i asked him on the atheistic ground
00:40:20.600
what reason do you have to not kill people and he was actually i mean no no to your to your world
00:40:27.100
view i'm so sorry sister maria we're going to have a tangent here yeah according to his world view
00:40:30.520
him and and i'm not even getting my phone my phone's more intelligent him and my socks are the same
00:40:35.640
thing yes you know what's the difference between me destroying my socks and destroying him yeah let's
00:40:41.540
say argument physically they're both made of atoms and it's just a rearrangement of atoms and to
00:40:44.940
his world view he has no grounds to even talk about morality little boy anyway he's a major anyway
00:40:49.900
let's move away from this little boy that's true actually yeah i will come back on the afghanistan
00:40:54.380
this woman issue so actually i was debating another australian ex-muslim and she told me
00:40:59.200
that islam is saying wear your clothes i said secularism saying take off your clothes it's the
00:41:03.200
same thing so where's your choice you know she said i want to be free i said so where's your choice
00:41:08.400
islam is saying wear secularism take it off so where's your choice no do you know what's important
00:41:12.220
brother uh rahmatullah check this out yeah people come you know a lot of sisters come and say
00:41:16.280
um i choose to wear the hijab and i go no you don't choose to wear the hijab you wear the hijab
00:41:20.640
because allah told you to i don't choose to grow the beard allah told me to i don't choose to wake
00:41:24.340
up a fajr i don't say oh today i choose to wake up a fajr no allah told me to but what they
00:41:29.120
misunderstand is that they make it seem like the western world i'm not saying all of them yeah
00:41:33.120
they make it seem as if they have a free choice to wear mini skirts no you don't no you don't because i i
00:41:39.580
used to do uber and i would pick certain customers where they would take off their heels and they were
00:41:44.040
carrying their hands and they would walk barefooted like cave like like some of them like you know
00:41:48.600
like cavemen used to walk barefooted i'm not saying they are yeah and before anyone starts thinking i'm
00:41:52.120
attacking them what i'm trying to say is they would walk because they're bleeding and if you're dressed
00:41:56.860
up like that in winter are you really choosing to or are you programmed to by the beauty industry
00:42:02.800
which is a multi-billion pound industry that is making you feel insecure and ugly and so much so that
00:42:08.740
you have to meet these demands so the question that needs to be asked is do you choose to or are
00:42:14.400
you forced to if you are told what to think how can you tell me you're free so that's what they don't
00:42:20.840
understand and because they are subconsciously programmed and coerced into this they think
00:42:28.040
they have a choice what they don't realize is that you are coerced into this without realizing
00:42:32.420
let me comment on the afghanistan issue of the woman yes so certain things which were actually
00:42:40.380
socially and culturally uh every country need time to grow and to come to a certain level
00:42:45.980
just like saudi was not allowing women to drive it wasn't because of religion it was a culture
00:42:50.640
similarly in afghanistan it wasn't because of the religion they didn't want their women to go to
00:42:55.160
universities or other places it was mostly culture and now american can't say you have iphone 10
00:43:01.260
it's me because i invaded you and i brought your iphone 10 yeah so it was actually the culture
00:43:06.880
around the world just western being through the same culture same period we all every country the
00:43:11.900
same period in afghanistan the period was 1991 because of the war and then from post-2000 people
00:43:18.000
have grown up they have educated they were educated not only women even men were not educated yeah
00:43:24.580
post-2000 men got educated they went on to universities other places to get education but right now
00:43:30.840
taliban they have said uh that we would allow women to come on the tv they will allow them to go on
00:43:36.320
education uh take the education go to universities i mean they have said it it's and they can't even
00:43:42.880
ban it because if they ban people won't accept it you understand okay so that's the concern that
00:43:48.580
western countries should leave it to the afghan let them decide between themselves women are mothers
00:43:53.460
they are sisters they are they are wives we respect them and we would never take away their rights
00:43:59.020
if a woman is uneducated then the whole family is uneducated exactly we would definitely everybody
00:44:04.100
would want their wife and sister to be educated so that's not the concern the western countries
00:44:08.240
should have i would suggest if western countries can leave us alone and just mind their own business
00:44:13.400
i will genuinely bake them a cake i don't even know how to bake cake but i will learn it and bake
00:44:17.680
them a cake and give it to them as a thank you message exactly you know not just afghanistan leave the
00:44:22.240
whole middle east alone yes yeah not just afghanistan we've got 10 minutes 11 minutes because i'm
00:44:27.360
going to go pray maghrib um i forgot what i was going to say uh yeah so what was i going to say
00:44:33.800
okay let's touch upon uh for example um the death toll that happened in afghanistan yeah let's touch upon
00:44:42.120
that inshallah uh let's give it five minutes so if i'm not mistaken about a million people were killed
00:44:48.020
in iraq yeah massacred in iraq yeah we know people like wikileaks leaked this information and now he's
00:44:54.960
on the run you know freedom of speech yeah um but it's okay so he's on the run and afghanistan we're
00:45:02.340
talking about half a million people that were killed yeah actually more than half a million people
00:45:06.480
more than half a million people yeah uh yeah these are just yeah yeah exactly these these are
00:45:14.600
we're in generous here yeah half a million people killed and what happened and look at this the america
00:45:21.200
americans leave and in a matter of days the matter of days taliban take full control was the government
00:45:28.500
let's talk about actually about the government as well was the government corrupt before okay if you
00:45:33.540
do you want me to start you can we've got let's let's give that four minutes okay so i have met
00:45:39.800
ministers okay minister of education minister of uh foreign affairs minister of uh technology every
00:45:45.880
minister because i'm heavily involved in afghanistan we have big big projects so one time i asked a
00:45:52.520
minister to give me a land to build orphanage uh governor as well he told me since you're doing
00:45:58.240
sharia work and islamic work i will speak from sharia perspective clearly that i will take 40
00:46:03.420
000 from you 40 000 as a bribe so for you to do something islamic or to build an orphanage
00:46:11.540
oh my god can you believe that so there were four billion dollar every year that was the level of
00:46:17.560
bribe people are paying four billion dollars oh my gosh every year and i would tell you there is
00:46:23.220
nothing that people are easily asking for money so that the corruption was in highest level and you
00:46:31.140
cannot imagine corruption was the highest level only few people they had the money because they
00:46:37.040
were on the top position if you want to be governor there was a price tag for that if you want to be
00:46:42.080
governor 150 000 you need to pay if you want to be mp you have to pay like 300 000 was literally look
00:46:48.980
i'm speaking from the i'm not saying i'm a nobody my father was sub-government i'm heavily involved
00:46:55.160
in afghanistan government with the people and not as a part of their team whatsoever because we have
00:46:59.840
projects there so everything the price tag was there if you want to do this price tag i want to
00:47:04.940
get a short pull from the minister and the person asked me that you need to give us money i complained
00:47:10.820
to the minister i personally met him my pictures are there yeah and he told me you know what even if i
00:47:15.820
need to do something another department i have to bribe them so give them the money so that is the level
00:47:21.220
of corruption was there actually do you think taliban will put an end to this corruption
00:47:25.340
100 why this is something why how could you trust them so easy why 100 because the area they are
00:47:32.100
controlling there's a justice there's no corruption and there's no bribery in the street of kabul which
00:47:38.040
were controlled by 40 countries including the afghan government yeah you could not work with your
00:47:43.040
iphone people literally chop your hand and take your iphone no way yes you could not work with your
00:47:48.620
own when i when i was in afghanistan i personally two bodyguards with machine guns i'm not a big guy
00:47:56.000
just to protect my iphone my car oh my gosh i watch if me if me and hijab go afghanistan can we have four
00:48:03.920
bodyguards yes of course you can have but now you don't need it now you don't need it now you don't need
00:48:11.240
because there's a security now why are people happy because there'll be no corruption bribery
00:48:20.020
justice and the justice will serve if you know the big guys yeah you ain't secure if you don't know
00:48:26.460
big guys you're not secure people couldn't be guys are you talking about me big guys i'm talking about
00:48:32.540
hijab and you not physically i mean big guys meaning that if you have a power with the government so the
00:48:38.460
corruption level was there and the country was not in their control okay and nobody followed the law
00:48:43.160
okay sister marwa i want to ask you a question yeah basically we're going to wrap up in about
00:48:46.640
five six minutes i'm going to go pray um look the taliban people say the taliban is putting a face
00:48:51.640
on yeah okay like i said before i don't know nothing about taliban i'll be honest i don't know all i know
00:48:55.760
taliban means like the the talib like knowledge seekers or something like that yeah so the thing is here
00:49:00.460
why would taliban who's got full power now want to put a face a two-face um by saying we're going to
00:49:08.860
give women why would they do that if they have the power why would they do that what are they fearing
00:49:14.060
because the americans have left they've got full power they are more richer than ever because all
00:49:18.420
the one trillion plus pounds that american and their guns and everything they left is now war booty for
00:49:23.600
um afghanistan the taliban what are they afraid of to even give these false promises because the last
00:49:29.760
videos i've saw of them was in bumper cars in the gym doing exercise um and some of them were doing
00:49:35.000
the exercise a bit wrong but the thing was may Allah bless like like bless them in the context where
00:49:39.280
it's just the skin like how you see where he was he was using the leg machine for bicep curls but the
00:49:45.400
thing is um the thing is here that why are they why are they afraid of to give false promises
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um i personally don't think that they're putting on a two-face um just seeing from what like people
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in afghanistan are saying but if they are even putting on a two-face um it's either because
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they want to get everyone on their side so the people of afghanistan on their side okay and um because
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right now like the majority of people like that you saw jumping on airplanes running um at the airport
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right it's because they have a history or they know the history of taliban and how they were oppressive
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committed war crimes against their own people right but i truly believe in and inshallah like
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Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala like you know helps them and this all becomes true um that i i don't think
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they're putting on a two-face but if they were um i think they should be held accountable right for
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any atrocities any genocide any misconduct um that they are going to commit against the afghan people
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um and even in the u.s the u.s government needs to be held accountable people living in the u.s
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needs to hold the government accountable for what uh afghanistan went through in the past 20 years
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yeah right so and i just want to say one important thing to people posting and reposting political
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things and cursing and the hysteria um on um social media that these stuff are not going to help the
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people of afghanistan like and they will never help the people yeah like i i see um women posting
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pictures of um people before the taliban came to afghanistan uh wearing like mini skirts like how is
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that supposed to help the women currently now like are you trying to tell them who's posting these
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muslim yeah muslim muslim women in america wow so so so elevated wow mini skirts yeah but you know the
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weird thing is a woman could be in is a mini skirt not intellectually no oh my gosh yeah yeah but you
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know the weird thing is that the women who who call themselves muslim afghan women who are posting
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these stuff they themselves are not wearing the hijab they themselves are not wearing modest clothing
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so they like i can't blame them because they themselves have been assimilated into the western
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ideology of what it means to a woman right but a woman like do you think that if you wear a mini skirt
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and the tank top or go out in a bikini right on the beach that you're not oppressed you are so much
00:52:38.100
more oppressed 100 yeah you have 100 men looking at you no exactly why would you need look everyone
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in this country you can wear whatever you want argument say but why would a woman feel can you
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think a lot of women are insecure in the context where even if you didn't have the beauty industry
00:52:52.720
and this model looking every woman feels some kind of insecurity it's just a woman art you know
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the thing is why would can you feel can you see how oppressed you are that you have to go out in
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a bikini let's look look there's a name given to it a bikini it's made like oh it's a it's an
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underwear it's an underwear you're going swimming with your underwear it's like you have strip clubs
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which are called gentleman's club gentleman's club what the hell gentlemen what's a gentleman
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about it that some perverted man is going there to have wherever it may be do you get i'm trying
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to say and as muslim men me and brother we're not putting a show on you're our sister we're very
00:53:26.140
careful to the words we say and we put limits we're like okay because of the respect we have
00:53:30.060
towards you sister do you get it i don't want to go into certain details and because we have
00:53:34.040
modesty and shyness towards in front of you that we're careful to so anytime anybody questions a
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muslim man or person we are careful to our words to a system i don't even know system i don't know
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you you came you messaged me on instagram and said you wanted to join i know you as a muslim a believer
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and me and brother rahmatullah even when certain things brother rahmatullah said sister forgive me
00:53:52.620
we're very cautious and careful the stuff we say because the utmost respect that we have to you
00:53:58.700
because you are our co-sister do you get what i'm trying to say so we can in this this is not a
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setup i didn't come brother rahmatullah make sure you know this is how we as muslim men are not just
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towards muslim women i even when i speak to non-muslim women when i talk to them in dawah they
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might be dressed up in an inappropriate way i refer to them as sister because i believe every woman
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should have a right to be talked to as a human being not talked to because of how her body shape is
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but brother rahmatullah i've got one minute any last words both you guys can you extend the time
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that can you extend it okay i i we can try to do a part two i'm sure i'm okay because there are
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after this like when i mean next week like if this goes good is it is it possible because you know what
00:54:43.440
i need to pick my dad up from the airport i need to leave here about 10 i have to play maghrib i haven't
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eaten yes part two will be highly important so we can go to more technical details yes let's all
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right let's tell the viewers there's going to be a part two what would those parts entail let's tell
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me a bit about the part two number one the profit of war in afghanistan how much americans themselves
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profited okay number two the political geopolitical reason why americans went there in the first place
00:55:08.960
yeah and the crime of the black water and other people have committed the inner circle of the
00:55:15.220
government and what is the future for a taliban and for the muslim umma okay good in part two we're
00:55:20.300
going to cover that if there's anyone that's watching this if you're another sister um another
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but maybe it'll be good to have i i believe it's very important to have sisters take on this if
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there's a sister who's afghani background um who may i don't know maybe studied this or whatever it
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may be um you can join us with sister mara if sister mara wants to join again next week
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totally up to her we can do part two inshallah sister mara any last words no no that's it um
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thank you for having me and i do believe that a part two should be a must um there's a lot of
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things that um we could talk about further and definitely that's what we're going to do brothers
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and sisters we're going to have part two inshallah if you guys want part two comment in the section
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below inshallah and we will have part two and part two we will discuss what's on the stake for taliban
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right now why they are so kind and nice yeah and are they truly having their true face or what's
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happening so i will share some internal information inshallah this isn't we're not biased towards anyone
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here we're discussing and learning and i've learned a lot brothers and sisters from uh to next time
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for part two you want to comment in the section below inshallah uh if you want to join us we have
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one more person that we can join we can have four people inshallah get in contact with myself
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uh to next time inshallah assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh i will tag brother
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rahmatullah nawruz his link inshallah his social media youtube you can follow him for more updates i'm
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sure he's going to be talking about this topic till next time assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh