Ali Dawah - January 08, 2023
"CAN I SPY ON MY WIFES PHONE?" - EP2 || BITTER TRUTH SHOW
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Summary
In this episode, the panel discusses the issue of checking each other's phones in a marriage. Do you think it's a good idea to allow your spouse access to their phone? Is it a good thing? Should you allow your wife access to her phone? And should you allow her access to your phone?
Transcript
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Would you allow your wife to go through your phone?
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Going behind someone's back, breaking into their phone,
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and you want to create an insecure relationship?
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because I do not know if I am going to be able to handle
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yeah, I've done that, and then it's caused more problems.
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Or maybe the husband's given her a reason to feel that way.
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Because she's confident and she's 100% secure around you.
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How would you feel if you showed your wife a message
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or another woman messaged you and she was like,
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This is the West West to get you in marital troubles, yeah?
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you saw him look at that girl out of the side of his eye,
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Halul, don't do this to me, you're a regular...
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Brothers and sisters, we are here to discuss real issues,
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And our aim is, inshallah, to benefit the Muslim households, inshallah.
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So, at the email right here, which you can see,
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like our dear, esteemed sisters, honourable sisters,
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or if you want to come, inshallah, join as brothers,
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and we'll get in touch with you when that happens.
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and basically about going through each other's phones.
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Now, this is a phenomenon, I think, maybe, you know,
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But, would you allow your wife to go through your phone?
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I don't think there should be enough trust with transparency as well.
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I feel like that you shouldn't be checking each other's phones.
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He said, he just said, would you let, would you let.
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they should allow each other to go through each other's phones?
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At first, I did the mistake of maybe wanting to access the phone.
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And I think it's really related to our self-confidence and how we feel in a couple and that confidence.
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This is where, like, you want to see the phone.
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Not because you're curious, not because you want to invade your husband's life or personal life,
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but deeply, I do not think, like, either of them should be checking anyone's phone.
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First of all, as a sister, you aren't checking...
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Maybe a sister is sending me pictures, maybe there is non-hijabi or hijabi sister that are there,
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and I really think that we should keep saying things private.
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Conversation with my friends, conversation with his friends,
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and I think many times, and this has happened to me,
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that I was in a difficult situation, I saw the phone,
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and I just had, like, a child, and I was like, I am not touching the phone
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because I do not know if I am going to be able to handle whatever I'm going to find.
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And I think this is a pressure that we should...
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It's really inside healing, thinking, you know what?
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If there is anything that Allah wants to show me,
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it will show up in the perfect, most honorable way.
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I think it should be 100% trust with each other.
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I think it's a good thing if you are able to do that.
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But I think it depends on who the person is themselves as well
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because they could see a message, it means something else,
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and they will, in their mind, because of the biased thoughts they have,
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So, yes, there should be 100% trust between husband and wife.
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because they have slight insecurity, 100% here.
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But warn them, do not go into my message where sisters have shared pictures.
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If wherever you have that doubt, you check that part of it.
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But I don't think it should be, no, this is my private space.
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Because from experience, I've been where I've completely never checked the phone.
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But, you know, what happens sometimes, that person falls into sin.
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And that's where I believe that trust should lie where husband and wife,
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if they have that doubt, then they should be able to say to their husband,
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That's the only time I believe that, okay, if there is doubt, then yeah.
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But otherwise, no, I don't think there should be a need for it.
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So your question was, should you allow the person, right?
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So that means that there's a level of trust conversation happening.
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It's not, oh, you went to the bathroom, I remember your code,
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One is behind his back, or her back, and the second is asking.
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So I think there should be complete transparency between a husband and a wife.
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I think it should be done in a healthy and not a toxic way,
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and that would be not sneaking in behind someone's back.
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Like, if you see something on your husband's phone, and you're like,
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And if he sees something on your phone, he should say, what was that?
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Because as a husband and wife, you have to understand that you each have a personal life,
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but you are allowed to be involved in that personal life.
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Going behind someone's back, breaking into their phone,
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that's breaking trust, security, and you want to create an insecure relationship,
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Because you've broken the foundation that's between you.
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And sharing your privacy and opening up isn't the same as losing your privacy,
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And so there's two different kind of ways to go about that.
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So, yeah, I think it's like, I don't know, man.
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Like, sometimes you allow, like, if a brother allows his wife to go through the phone, yeah,
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and it's like, okay, you want to build that trust.
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But after speaking to brothers where they're like, yeah, I've done that,
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He's like, I'll be open and be like, you know what, look, I don't know, for example,
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this sister messaged me and said she wants to be my second wife.
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Imagine a brother saying, I'm being transparent, I'm just showing you.
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You know what, I'm not interested at this moment of time.
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Well, she's not going to be like, I appreciate and I value you.
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Some brothers say, you know what, they start bugging out.
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Like, oh, see, why are these girls messaging you?
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No, no, no, but sometimes sisters can't handle that, bro.
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Sometimes I realise, speaking to these brothers,
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Because the more you are, it's like, okay, why are these girls messaging you for?
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Why are they coming to you for your problems for?
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Yeah, but then again, how would you feel if you showed your wife a message
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of another woman messaging you and she was like, okay.
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I'll be thinking, like, don't, like, I don't know.
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Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes that bit of jealousy, that bit of, you know,
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That's good jealousy, that's a healthy jealousy, yeah?
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Everyone, anyone that doesn't, that's very concerning, yeah?
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But the thing is that when it goes to toxic levels where it's like,
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obsessively, like, he's messaging you and then every time she's got,
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And another thing that we don't understand is that argument's sake,
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Let's suppose the wife or the husband made a mistake.
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Whatever it may be, I don't know, whatever it may be,
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the fact that you do not know, it's going to save your marriage.
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Now, if you do know, it's going to ruin your marriage.
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So that's why some scholars will say that it's not forbidden.
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It's forbidden for you to go through each other's phone.
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Let's suppose he went and got a second wife, yeah?
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And argument's sake, he was like, you know what?
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Whatever it may be, is it better that she comes and now, please,
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or argument's sake, vice versa, she messaged her work?
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Well, to be honest, the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam allowed three types of,
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When it comes to war, when it comes to in-between friends.
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So imagine, let's see me and you fell out, yeah?
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He's like, bro, I was with him once, man was crying, bro.
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And then when it comes with the wife as well, yeah?
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Like, you know, imagine if somebody's wife came and said,
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oh, you know, your friend this, this, and I'd be like,
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And I've never seen that in my life in him, yeah?
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But the point is, I have to say that to help them reconcile.
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it's going to go to levels where it becomes obsessive.
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It becomes, and you know sisters can be like CIA.
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They go into some next-level research, bro, yeah?
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there might be things, arguments sake, from their past.
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It's a contradiction to what he said in the first place, no?
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It's a, he says, like, it should be transparency
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and everyone should access phones, but that goes.
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So what he said about what happens in the past, you know, that's different.
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For example, if, you know, if something comes, like, let's say he's watching a YouTube video
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and a text comes up and she says who is, and, you know, he's kind of, you know, shying
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away from, you know, I'm not going to tell you anything, then I, then I agree that there
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should be transparency where he should go through that phone.
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And, but for any other cause, just randomly, I just feel like the trust should be.
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If your girl's asking you every, sorry, not your girl, I mean, your wife, the same thing.
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So if your wife asks you every day, or like every time you get a text or a phone call,
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who's that, who's that, who's that, then yeah, that's not, that's not really good.
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But like here and there, sometimes if she does say, oh, I say like her phone dies, she
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Or if she like wants to text her mum, and she has no connection, and she goes on your
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She's not going to stop there, but come on, women can be very like, you know.
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No, but Brother Ali, what type of women are you talking about?
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Because she's confident, and she's 100% like secure around you.
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But there are some, we have to mention it, that there are, those women do exist.
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You're saying that not all women, that they feel like that.
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I think that's a very healthy mindset to be like, you know what, I'm not going to look
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But a lot of sisters are very like, maybe I'm generalising, but like a lot of females
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Maybe past experiences, or maybe she's doing something, and then she feels guilty.
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Or maybe the husband's given a reason to feel that way.
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I'm going to throw, I'm going to throw the S word out there.
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This is the was-was to get you in marital troubles.
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You saw him look at that girl out of the side of his eye.
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If you have a good man, why are you doubting him?
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If he's never given you a reason to actually think he's cheating on you, where is that
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Obviously, I can speak to people that I can vouch for, you know, I've spent time with, etc.
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Well, like God-fearing, none of that mad thing, yeah?
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Because sometimes we don't understand what Shaytan's job is.
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And I go, Ahmed, what if your wife talks to someone else?
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Bro, at one moment at a time, you're going to be like, hey, maybe she is, bro.
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But the point is that Shaytan comes and adds different stuff, bro, yeah?
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And I believe, not doing your adhkar, if you're not praying, yeah?
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Saying, awduh bilamina shaitan ar-rajim, which is very important.
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Even when your salah comes, you're supposed to say, awduh bilamina shaitan ar-rajim.
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Maybe next month I think you're crazy, but it's a sunnah.
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If you're not doing your adhkar, I'm telling you, it's a miracle you're alive.
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But what could practical solutions for our sisters or brothers?
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Because, I don't know, do you think this stands for more from sisters or brothers?
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Because what you're mentioning here is paranoia.
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But can we just remind the fact that we are talking about jealousy more than the, if we
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I think it's more insecurity than jealousy because there's not an actual factor.
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Some women have reasons, like certain, like the brother said, certain husbands behave
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in a way, or they have maybe a past, or maybe already made mistakes that put the woman
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And I have known women that were very secure in their marriage, very happy.
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But when that betrayal happened, everything collapsed, this self-confidence, it's inside
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Like, even in their sense, even if it's a second wife, because to them it's betrayal,
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We understand where the sisters are coming from.
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That is understandable, checking the phone, because now you've caused this whole chaos.
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If you're straight up, she'll be like, you know what?
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I know if he's going to do it, he's going to come and tell me.
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That's why I tell two little brothers, maybe it's not practical.
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If I'm going to get married again, I'm going to come and tell you.
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I'm going to come and introduce you to the second wife.
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So the thing is, if you're honest, the woman will say, you know what?
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But when you do it behind the back, and then that's what it causes where I can't trust
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And even if you'd be honest, you're still going to go mad, don't you?
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Ask a question as being like talking to influencers, Muslim influencers.
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With the woman's communication, being married yourself.
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No, it's just like, I always wondered, how does it work?
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Because obviously, you're talking to the male, obviously, of the community.
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And we're going to make sure that no one slides in his DMs.
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So, when I first started social media, if a girl would comment, oh my god, you're so
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My wife said, listen, I don't like you replying to the girls.
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Yeah, so it's like, oh, I can't have one account, but it's like my name and my face
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Okay, because that system might be like, right, I didn't use that to my comment.
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Yeah, but it doesn't matter what they think, as long as me and my wife know who's replying,
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that's the main thing, do you know what I mean?
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I think I will really appreciate that you say it on your account publicly, that if any comments,
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I think the thing is, to be honest, being in the DAO is different because you've got
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people messaging you, I'm suicidal, I'm in a haram relationship.
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No, I'm talking about comments, the like, the harsh.
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Or the slide in the DMs, like, I want to be your third wife, I want to be your fourth
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You were talking about your true nature, you're going against it.
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So, the thing is here is that, for example, with me, it's like, obviously, like, we have
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checks in place, like me, let's say, Zeeshan, Mohammed Hijab, you know, we have checks in
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And I think, as a person in the Dawah, I think it's healthy and not healthy in the same sense
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where you allow your wife to have that access because it's, for your own good, it's good
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And number two, sometimes, though, it can be unhealthy because if your wife is seeing that
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So, but you should always, I would definitely say, be it somebody that you trust, let them
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Because at least if you keep yourself in check, you have to.
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Wallah, it's by the mercy of Allah that we are protected from this.
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I would never come and give credit to myself of, I do this.
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Yes, there's protocols that are taking place, but wallah, it's by Allah.
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Like Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran, Surah Yusuf, that if it wasn't for
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Yusuf, the signs that he saw, he may have inclined to it.
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So, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, like if you have that good connection with your Lord,
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Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala will protect you, but we have to be very careful.
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And with us, public figures, bro, people message and they have evil intentions.
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Like back in the days, bro, wallahi, they message you just to track you.
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Just to see, ah, watch, let me see fucking, you know, lure him in, yeah?
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He messaged me pretending to be a sister, yeah?
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He messaged me and he's like, he's talking, talking, like, and he's just, he's saying
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And then he messaged me, he was like, yeah, it was me.
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I said, why do you, why do you need to do that, yeah?
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And he was like, no, he was just like, and it's actually might be haram for him to do
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that because, but it's like, he was like, no, it's good that you replied and you put
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But I said, still, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's, imagine I didn't,
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You're exposing my same arguments, do you know what I'm trying to say?
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So the thing is, we have to be very, very careful as public figures because at the
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end of the day, you know, we know women are hypergamous by nature, yeah?
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They look up for men like you are, leaders, social influence, etc.
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So with us men, we need to be more careful because it's, it's, it's an open challenge.
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But at the end of the day, I think going through each other's phone is unhealthy, yeah?
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One day, argument's safe, you know what my wife says?
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Oh, for some reason, I've got this wasp, whatever it is, can I go through your phone?
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At least, but now, if I do that, and then now it turns into a regular stuff, now it's
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If I had anything to hide in that moment, yeah?
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And my phone, if you see me always like, no, I don't go need my phone.
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But if I leave my phone around everywhere, yeah, which I do, like, so there shouldn't be a
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So, if it turns into a spiral of, I want to see it, no, can I check it out?
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And then you come and catch her, she's looking for it, then it's turned into an endless, and
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it's going to become toxic, bro, do you get what I'm trying to say?
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And once again, it might be that she might have fallen into a sin, it might be that you
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It's better that you don't know, I repent to my Lord, it doesn't affect our marriage.
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Like, it's better to preserve your marriage, because it's one of the reasons a lot of
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I saw this, he's done this, et cetera, da, da, da.
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Sometimes we have these issues where we're like, yeah, yeah, man, he's a second wife,
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And I would advise this to protect their mental health.
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Because, and it should, and again, we go back to Deen, the fact that you have a strong relationship
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with Allah, I know it's very kitsch to say it, and every time we come back
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with that sentence, but he will really, really heal the insecurities inside of you, and put
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And I like what the sister said, actually, saying that me being able to check on my husband's
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Because indirectly, you have the fear of Allah, but you have the fear of hurting the person
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So, at some times when you, a man is weak, a wife, a jealous wife, can save you from
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I think if any brother feels, like maybe you agree with this, if any brother feels where
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sometimes where, you know, whatever it may be, you know, you feel like you're going
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to fall short, et cetera, you know what, tell your wife, you know what, I'll give you full
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I think for the sake of Allah, it would definitely protect us.
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At least you're like, you know, there's someone there looking, do you know what I'm trying
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That falls under that Allah says that we are like a clothing for each other.
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We keep each other accountable, not only in this, in everything.
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That's what we're here for, to counterbalance each other in our weaknesses.
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I think also like in marriage, when people get married, they don't get rid of male and
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So, I think the females don't get rid of their male friends, and the male doesn't get rid of
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And then, you might be okay with it at the start, which I don't understand how, but
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And then once you, you know, get married and spend time, and a friend pops up, it might
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be just an innocent friend, and that causes problems, and then you go through the phone,
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So, brothers and sisters, hope you benefited from this specific topic about going through
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Until next time, assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
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atom weight of good deed you've done will be there.
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I never had the money to build a masjid, oh Allah.
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