In this episode, we have a special guest who is a Muslim. We talk about the difference between science and religion, and what it means to be a Muslim and a non-believer. We also have a discussion about DNA and science in general.
00:02:46.640Okay, good. Would you accept that we are composed of DNA? Yeah.
00:02:50.160And the DNA is a gene that has three billion letters? Yeah.
00:02:55.200Yes, okay, so these genes are the same throughout your body? Yeah.
00:02:58.640The only difference is that it's how it lights up that makes your heart the way it looks,
00:03:01.760the eyes, okay. So would you not accept that if DNA is information, it requires intelligence?
00:03:05.600I actually believe it's random. I think... No, what's randomness? Like if you're a man of science,
00:03:11.040you can't even believe in randomness. I think you can. I think everything's random.
00:03:14.000Okay. Everything's a chance, a random chance. Do you have a coin?
00:03:17.120I don't have a coin. Okay, if I had a coin now and if I flipped it,
00:03:20.480would we say what's the chance of being heads or tails?
00:03:23.840Is it a chance? It's a chance. No, it's not. Let me tell you why.
00:03:26.800What's your name by the way? Hamish. Hamish. My name's Ali. Nice to meet you.
00:03:29.600Nice to meet you. I love you, man. Okay. Now, if we know all the factors when we flip that coin,
00:03:35.200the power I flip it on, the weather and all other dynamics, the gravitational force,
00:03:40.000we would know the outcome every single time. The reason we call it chance is because we don't know
00:03:45.120all the factors. However, in science, there is no such thing as chance. So there's everything that's
00:03:49.120cause and effect. Do you get what I'm trying to say? So what it means is that, for example,
00:03:52.320when I pour the water, we can't say it's going to splatter around. No, it doesn't.
00:03:56.000If we knew all the factors when that water spills, we would know exactly where it would go.
00:04:00.240So we don't actually, this is called hard determinism. Yeah. So what that means is that
00:04:03.840everything is kind of predetermined. So what I'm saying is the following that we know from nothing,
00:04:08.080nothing comes. We know that we are composed of DNA and DNA requires information. Yeah.
00:04:12.560Yeah. So therefore it requires that if DNA has information, it requires intelligence.
00:04:17.680That's basic like logical argument. Just the way you have a pattern. Look, you've got a pattern on your face.
00:04:22.880Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see. I see your throat. Just the thought provoking.
00:04:25.840Yeah. No, it provokes thought. Okay. But wouldn't you say there is evidence to God?
00:04:29.200What's stopping you from accepting me? I just think evolution is all random. I just don't.
00:04:34.240Okay. But evolution. Look, let me talk about evolution. And I think just, I, I just don't see,
00:04:41.920I still want to be restricted in life. No, you're not looking. I'm mostly,
00:04:45.200I'm not restricted in life. Yeah. Now let me put it like this. Yeah.
00:04:48.160Of course, I'm not allowed to eat pork. I'm not allowed to drink alcohol. I'm not
00:04:50.320allowed to have sex outside of marriage. Yeah. But the thing is that what we're saying is that
00:04:53.600you're, you also follow some, some sort of a religion. You can't come and tell me you're
00:04:57.200absolutely free. You cannot come and tell me that you painting your face did not have an influence
00:05:00.720on Minecraft. We are all influenced by something, one shape or another. So your way of life is a bit
00:05:06.480different to mine. Yeah. But however, you follow certain protocols as well, without subconscious,
00:05:10.640not consciously knowing. Now, when you're talking about evolution, I don't know if you heard of
00:05:13.280Dennis Noble. So Dennis Noble is challenging the whole theory of, not totally about evolution,
00:05:18.880because why is what they did is they found some new, new recent discoveries, which they, you know,
00:05:22.720they call it natural selection. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Random mutation. Yeah. Okay. Now they're finding
00:05:27.920it's not random, it's actually targeted mutation. What that means is that when we look at the nucleus of
00:05:32.160the cell and around the cell membrane, there is these new things that Dennis Noble discovered called
00:05:37.120tubulins. So they are like, it's like tubes that have, they carry information to the nucleus, meaning
00:05:43.440that for example, you're today, you don't have a jacket. Yeah. Now, if we live in a very cold
00:05:47.760environment, your body is going to start sending that information to the nucleus and it's going to
00:05:52.080start causing you to argue, let's say grow more hair. So what we see, that's not random. There's an
00:05:57.760information that's happening in your nucleus. Do you hear what I'm trying to say? So what we're saying is that
00:06:02.080it is impossible that on a micro level to a macro level, we have order, we have the atoms. Yeah. So
00:06:08.160how is it that this all spontaneously came to be? When I would look at your face and be like, I know
00:06:13.360someone painted that. If I came and said, you know what? I believe trance. You woke up today like this.
00:06:19.280Would you not call me crazy? Yeah. Yeah, no, I should actually. Do you hear what I'm trying to say?
00:06:24.240So I think you're an intelligent man. Yeah. You're handsome. Thank you.
00:06:26.960Can a Muslim get two wives? Yeah. Two wives. Come on. But you need to treat them right. Yeah.
00:06:33.120Okay. What's stopping you from like, would you tell me what evidence do you you require more to
00:06:38.400believe in God? Because right now I feel like you're in those steps where you're like, okay,
00:06:40.640it's fault provoking. I want to think about it. I just, um, you know, not to just make fun of this,
00:06:46.960but homosexuality. Okay. No problem. Okay. Homosexuality. So you're saying that that is
00:06:53.040stopping you from believing in God? Yeah. Okay. How? In my idea of a God, that would be okay.
00:06:58.480Love is love. Okay. No. Okay. If you, do you believe love is love? Pardon? Do you believe love is love?
00:07:03.280Yeah. Okay. Okay. Then we have to be fair and apply that to own categories. Are you okay with a brother
00:07:09.120and sister having sex? I think that's different. I don't really can call it the same thing. But love is love.
00:07:15.360They can come and say love is love. For example, I don't think it's the same thing. I think it's dangerous
00:07:21.120comparing the two things. But I say the same thing with homosexuality. What I say is this though,
00:07:25.840you can be a Muslim and a homosexual, by the way. Islam does not say you acting on that act takes you
00:07:30.880out of the fold of Islam. There are, there are Muslims who are gay. Yeah. But that doesn't, uh,
00:07:34.880the main creedal thing is that to believe in one God and try to abide by his legislation. Now, what we
00:07:39.680see is the following. To be consistent, we need to apply it all places and all places. For example,
00:07:45.440a, a, a mother and his 22 year old son should have sex. Why? How is that the same? Because let me
00:07:53.200tell you how. A man and a man and a woman and a woman says, this is love. Even though, for example,
00:07:57.600somebody will come and say, a man to be penetrating another man's rectum is actually, there's many
00:08:01.520problems with it, et cetera. Be it diseases and all that kind of stuff. Let's put that to a side.
00:08:05.360I don't think diseases, I mean, you can't be saying that. That's, that's a stereotype. That's wrong.
00:08:08.800Is there no diseases? That's very deeply rooted in stereotypes. That's very wrong. No, no, I know,
00:08:14.960but it's like, for example, do you not accept that? For example, a man where he defecates from
00:08:20.080and a man inserting his penis into that place, um, would there not be sexual diseases? There is
00:08:24.000like, you know, there was a whole monkey. That's not how it started. No, no, I'm not saying how it
00:08:27.200started. I'm saying that, for example, monkeypox, it was predominantly for homosexual men. I'm not,
00:08:30.960I'm not saying all the time. I'm just saying, for example, if a, a brother and sister. I think a lot of
00:08:35.680straight people have sexual diseases. Of course. That's why in Islam, we even, like, we believe
00:08:39.680that there should be no sex outside of marriage. So it's not just for homosexuals, it's for anybody.
00:08:43.680So what we're saying is this, a, a, a mother who's 55 year old and his, her son, which is 27 years old,
00:08:49.840there should be nothing wrong with them having sex because love is love. If we use the same category.
00:08:53.200So we're saying we have to be consistent or we can't be confused, even like pedophilia. Some people
00:08:57.600are coming out and saying, oh, they have been, they've been born like this. I think it's dangerous to
00:09:01.040put all that in the same group. That's, it's not the same thing. But if being consistent, how could
00:09:05.040you differentiate them? So how's a man and a man loving each other different to a man and a woman loving
00:09:09.120each other? No, no, I'm saying if, how's that, how's that different? Let's suppose it's the same.
00:09:13.520I'm going with your argument. A man and a woman loving each other and a man and a man loving each other
00:09:16.800the same. No problem. A, a, a brother and sister loving each other, a pedophilia who says, I have love
00:09:21.840towards real kids. So you've already made a difference. You're saying a man and a woman is normal.
00:09:25.440No, no, I'm not saying normal. No, I'm saying let's suppose all of them are normal. No, but you're saying
00:09:29.280by, you say, by saying that one of them is allowed. Yeah. And you've got to apply that to everything.
00:09:33.120Yes. You've already made exceptions. No, no, I'm applying it. I'm applying it. You've made exceptions.
00:09:36.160You've made exceptions. By allowing a man and a woman. Yeah. But you wouldn't let a mother and son,
00:09:39.760you've made an exception. No, I'm not. I'm saying let's allow it. You're saying let's not. No, no, no,
00:09:42.800but it's not allowed, is it? No, no, no, I'm saying. But it's not allowed. Is it allowed?
00:09:45.440In Islam, it's not allowed. Exactly. So you've made an exception. No, no, in Islam, a man and a woman having sex outside of marriage is not allowed.
00:09:55.440What family? Mother and son. No, that's not allowed. So exactly. You've made an exception.
00:09:59.760No, no, no, I'm saying all of them are haram. You're saying one thing, you're saying man and woman is fine.
00:10:04.880No, no, no, I'm saying all of them are haram except in marriage. In marriage. You're saying man and woman is fine.
00:10:08.160Yeah, exactly. So that's an exception. Of course, I'm making an exception, but I'm saying if I played that there was an advocate and goes through your boat.
00:10:13.120So I'm saying anything that's not within a family or different age groups, that's fine. Okay, good. So I'm saying that's fine.
00:10:20.400I'm saying let's go with it. I'm on your boat. I'm saying, okay, let's go with it.
00:10:23.440So my exceptions are not okay. Your exceptions are okay. That's what we're getting at here.
00:10:28.240Hear me, hear me. I'm saying a man and a woman getting married in marriage is fine.
00:10:31.920Anything outside that, be it homosexuality, whatever, whatever, is not allowed in Islamically.
00:10:36.400But to your worldview, you said a man and a man loving each other is fine. A woman and a woman loving is fine.
00:10:41.600I said, why are you excluding, for example, a brother and sister having sex?
00:10:45.440Why are you allowing a man and a woman? You're excluding everything else.
00:10:49.440Yes, because we believe that is the most perfect way. It's a nuclear family.
00:10:53.760It is more healthy. For example, there's even studies that show a homosexual couple.