Ali Dawah - February 25, 2020CROWN COURT HEARING - ALI & HIJAB
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the recent sentencing of Tommy Robinson for his role in the 2011 attack on the Football Association and the subsequent protest by the Football Lads Association. We discuss the role of social media in identifying one of the culprits and how the police were able to track him down.
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Excuse me, we're not allowed to make any shoes.
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Yeah, we asked, but they said we're from outside.
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I actually didn't know he was a new job, didn't you know that?
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Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, brothers and sisters.
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Alhamdulillah, on this special occasion of sentencing, we came.
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So, what happened was after the incident that took place with the FLA,
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the Football Lads Association, and the Toby Robinson protest that took place,
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What happened was that they identified one of the people that was like the key culprits in the assault.
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Obviously, if you remember, for those who don't remember, it was like 30 on one or 30 on two, let's say.
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People that were basically rushing us, to put it in the slang term.
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Anyway, so what happened was the police contacted me and said that they identified one of the people.
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Actually, the only way in which we were able to identify that person is through the good effort of a lot of people online.
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He even actually had a tag name called Noodlehead.
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So we were able to get, kind of track him down.
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Today, kind of went to court and he pleaded guilty to religiously aggravated assault.
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And afraid, but they dropped that because of his plea guilty.
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No, but he only pleaded guilty to the religiously aggravated assault.
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Now the point is that, first of all, what this does is it shows us the true intentions of people who follow Tommy Robinson.
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They say that, well, they are not aggravated by Muslims.
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They're not actually motivated to attack them physically.
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And that their beliefs or their ideological belief system won't cause them to do extremist things.
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But actually, he pled guilty to religiously aggravated assault.
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Which the judge called today a form of extremism.
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Unfortunately, he didn't get any sentence, like any prison sentence, but he does have a community order.
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For me, I'll tell you what this means to me and what kind of lessons we can kind of get from this for next time.
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And I'll tell you, then you can tell me what you think.
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The good is obviously that at least one person was brought to justice.
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But I'm thinking to myself, there was more than just that individual.
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There was like, as you know, there was the people who actually got physical with me.
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Like six or seven at the back and then two or three at the back.
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At least ten actually landed blows on me, right?
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So that's, for me, in one sense, there has been a, there has been a justice that has been upheld.
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But in other senses, there has been a miscarriage of justice.
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And this makes me actually doubt some of the Metropolitan Police's, seriously, honestly, their methods.
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Because, is it only because we were able to identify and find one person on social media that we're able to bring them to court?
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I mean, we have video graphic evidence that was, that was shown by hundreds of thousands of people.
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I mean, is the police not able to track these individuals down?
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And I had this conversation with police officers, but it seems to me there's work to be done from that angle.
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But I think what we need to realise today with what's happened as well is because we know some figures,
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Caelan Robertson, who used to be very close to associate with Tommy Robinson, has left their movement.
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And has, in other words, said that what we did with the permission of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala actually dismantled the whole organisation.
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And all praises belong to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that we're not seeing this to ask credit for ourselves.
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And even asking for youngsters to watch us because we went there because we were invited.
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We would be our fault if we wasn't invited, we're going to cause trouble.
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So what we need to understand is that far-right terrorism is growing at the moment.
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So we know in Germany nine people were shot dead by a far-right maniac.
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So we can see and also recently what's happening with ISIS carrying that attacks.
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And we are victims to that because people like you and me and people who are walking,
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going about their day-to-day life with the general British public, be they're Muslim or non-Muslim.
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If they're a non-Muslim, they're getting killed at the hands of ISIS.
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If they're a Muslim, they're getting killed at the hands of the far-right.
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So you can see these people are just feeding off each other.
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And I've always said this, they are business partners.
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Because it's like you have somebody who's going and smashing windows and you have somebody who's selling windows.
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And that's why we need to understand that this is a war, not literally,
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but in the context of intellectual war to combat this.
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Because at the end of the day, it's lame and people like us who are going about their day-to-day life,
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that are falling victim to these one by one, while these people are being brainwashed,
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be it from Christchurch, be it to Germany, you know, the far-right movement in Europe is growing.
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So I think it's important for us to understand that we are going to carry on,
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doing our work, inshallah, to answer those misconceptions.
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Because I believe it's a lack of communication that's causing hatred and animosity.
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I believe he should have gotten more instead of a hundred hours of painting a wall.
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I hope we picked which wall he painted, to be honest, and what to paint on it.
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But again, you know, I feel sorry for his family, his daughter and his wife was here.
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And we heard statements that, you know, he was on the verge of divorce or whatever.
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But yeah, so at the end of the day, you know, we just wanted to raise awareness to that, inshallah.
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And yeah, you know, if there's anything else you want to add on.
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I just, I agree with you, like, you know, extremism begets extremism.
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At the end of the day, what it is, is the judge said it good.
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I think the judge was actually quite articulate in his expression.
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He said that at the end of the day, you're going to have to get used to the fact that we're all living in this country together.
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Now, yeah, he said there can be room for vigorous, you know, disagreements between peoples.
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I think it can be healthy to disagree with someone.
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But so long as we bring it back to a certain level of tolerance, which allows for other people to be able to exist.
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And we have it in our worldview, in our tradition.
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In chapter 2, verse 256, there is no compulsion in religion.
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You have your religion and we have our religion.
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By the end of the day, you know, we're going to need to learn to get on with each other.
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And I feel like with figures of hate and stuff like that,
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Tommy Robinson or whoever it may be, who may be, who is pushing, you know, this.
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I think that day was a day of experiment for us.
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You know, it was an experiment to find out today.
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As a Muslim, is it really a freedom of speech event?
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And it totally backfired because, you know, if you think about it, there was an infight happening within that.
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And what happened is because those who were truly for freedom of speech, like Lucy Brown, Caden Robertson and George, if I'm not mistaken,
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they were really, and Tommy Robinson was more, his true colors were coming out.
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So they were exposed and they were thinking, hold on a second.
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All this time, this guy wasn't about freedom of speech because he wouldn't let Ali speak.
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The fact that he's not, it shows that this is not a matter of freedom of speech.
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There is somebody out there, vocally, even though saying, I don't hate Muslims.
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It's just the ideology of Islam, there's a deeper hatred going on inside.
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And we know that through the Quran, we know through the Prophet's life.
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And the Quran talks about that, you know, you know, it was indeed, they were, you know, attacking you first, you know,
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for what other reason, but that you believe in Allah and his messenger.
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And so when we hear these things where, oh, no, I'm just here about Islam.
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These are gradual steps that we know in Nuremberg, Nazi Germany.
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Nobody, Hitler did not go to his people and said, shoot the Jews.
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It was a gradual process of hatred, dehumanization, where people were ready to pull the trigger.
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And we asked, you know, Allah to accept it from us, everybody,
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because you guys who were watching this helped us catch people like this guy,
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even though his noodle head was, you know, very, you know, you couldn't miss him really.
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I got to think about one more thing just to end this off.
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Just to end this off is like, what kind of world do you want your children to live in?
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I want my children to live in a world where, honestly,
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whether it's a state ruled by non-Islam or a state ruled by Islam,
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wherever they may be, my children, I want them to be able to communicate
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and to, you know, interact with people from different faith groups
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Honestly, that is the way forward for humanity.
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If the moment we start thinking about, you know, getting at this person or that person
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or seriously, like, or this group or that group, it will just become divided in society.
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You know, in the court, there was something profound that was said.
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He was saying that he was going through a bad phase of his life, yeah?
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And that really caught my attention because the thing is that if you look at ISIS members or far-right,
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So those who are carried out, the London Bridge attacks, et cetera,
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if you look at them, there are genuine problems.
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Some of them even girlfriend-related, be it far-right, whoever.
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So they have this inner hatred within their self and they want to release it somehow
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because all of us go for problems and struggles, yeah?
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Sometimes, you know, you might be going, driving down the road,
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And it's just a form of, you know, you want to lash out and express it.
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You can attack somebody that's innocent, that's not doing nothing,
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but your hatred built inside, you want to take that out.
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It takes these people who are troubled and says,
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come on board, you're one of us, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
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So if you're a young British lad watching this, be Muslim or not Muslim,
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do not fall for these traps because what's going to happen is,
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while they're sipping their tea in their comfy houses like Tommy Robinson in their houses,
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in his jacuzzi, sipping his alcohol or whatever,
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you are the one, his little full soldiers who are going out,
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they're carrying out these attacks and killing innocent.
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Well, Abu Bakr Baghdadi, don't know if he's dead or alive,
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he's the one who's training these soldiers or Anjum Chowdhury
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and you guys are carrying out the attacks, killing yourself, ruining your family
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and thinking that Allah is going to accept this from you
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at the cost of them just sipping their tea in their comfy houses.
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I believe this guy, even though I despise him, he was a victim.
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And we hope, keep yourself, keep us in your duas, inshallah.
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May Allah bless you guys, brothers and sisters.