Ali Dawah - February 25, 2020


CROWN COURT HEARING - ALI & HIJAB


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In this episode, we discuss the recent sentencing of Tommy Robinson for his role in the 2011 attack on the Football Association and the subsequent protest by the Football Lads Association. We discuss the role of social media in identifying one of the culprits and how the police were able to track him down.

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00:00:01.000 Excuse me, we're not allowed to make any shoes.
00:00:05.000 Yeah, we asked, but they said we're from outside.
00:00:07.000 Not from here.
00:00:08.000 Oh, okay.
00:00:14.000 I actually didn't know he was a new job, didn't you know that?
00:00:16.000 Yeah.
00:00:17.000 I thought he was the other guy.
00:00:19.000 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, brothers and sisters.
00:00:22.000 Hope he's out there well, inshaAllah.
00:00:24.000 Haven't seen Hijab for a bit of a while.
00:00:27.000 Alhamdulillah, on this special occasion of sentencing, we came.
00:00:30.000 Alhamdulillah.
00:00:31.000 Sorry, Mr. Alhamdulillah.
00:00:32.000 So, okay, Hijab, why are we here today?
00:00:35.000 So, what happened was after the incident that took place with the FLA,
00:00:40.000 the Football Lads Association, and the Toby Robinson protest that took place,
00:00:45.000 I don't know, was that two years ago now?
00:00:46.000 Nearly.
00:00:47.000 Nearly two years ago, in the summer.
00:00:50.000 What happened was that they identified one of the people that was like the key culprits in the assault.
00:00:56.000 Obviously, if you remember, for those who don't remember, it was like 30 on one or 30 on two, let's say.
00:01:02.000 There was 100 on the two.
00:01:03.000 Was it more than that?
00:01:04.000 Maybe 50.
00:01:05.000 There was 100, but there was 100 there.
00:01:06.000 Yeah.
00:01:07.000 People that were basically rushing us, to put it in the slang term.
00:01:10.000 They were rushing us.
00:01:11.000 Anyway, so what happened was the police contacted me and said that they identified one of the people.
00:01:17.000 Actually, the only way in which we were able to identify that person is through the good effort of a lot of people online.
00:01:23.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:24.000 Including yourself.
00:01:25.000 He even actually had a tag name called Noodlehead.
00:01:27.000 Is it?
00:01:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:29.000 That's why.
00:01:30.000 So we were able to get, kind of track him down.
00:01:32.000 And so we followed it through, Alhamdulillah.
00:01:34.000 Today, kind of went to court and he pleaded guilty to religiously aggravated assault.
00:01:40.000 Which means that...
00:01:41.000 And afraid, but they dropped that because of his plea guilty.
00:01:43.000 Yeah.
00:01:44.000 No, but he only pleaded guilty to the religiously aggravated assault.
00:01:48.000 Yeah.
00:01:49.000 Now the point is that, first of all, what this does is it shows us the true intentions of people who follow Tommy Robinson.
00:01:55.000 Yeah.
00:01:56.000 They say that, well, they are not aggravated by Muslims. 1.00
00:02:00.000 Yeah.
00:02:01.000 They're not actually motivated to attack them physically.
00:02:02.000 We don't hate Muslims.
00:02:03.000 Yeah, we don't hate Muslims.
00:02:04.000 And that their beliefs or their ideological belief system won't cause them to do extremist things.
00:02:09.000 Yeah.
00:02:10.000 But actually, he pled guilty to religiously aggravated assault.
00:02:13.000 Yeah.
00:02:14.000 Which the judge called today a form of extremism.
00:02:16.000 Yeah.
00:02:17.000 In his understanding.
00:02:18.000 Definitely, yeah.
00:02:19.000 And so he was given no sympathy in court.
00:02:22.000 Unfortunately, he didn't get any sentence, like any prison sentence, but he does have a community order.
00:02:27.000 Yeah.
00:02:28.000 Now...
00:02:29.000 750 pound fine.
00:02:30.000 For me, I'll tell you what this means to me and what kind of lessons we can kind of get from this for next time.
00:02:34.000 Yeah.
00:02:35.000 And I'll tell you, then you can tell me what you think.
00:02:37.000 Okay.
00:02:38.000 There's good and bad in what happened today.
00:02:40.000 The good is obviously that at least one person was brought to justice.
00:02:43.000 Yeah.
00:02:44.000 But I'm thinking to myself, there was more than just that individual.
00:02:47.000 Yeah.
00:02:48.000 There was like, as you know, there was the people who actually got physical with me.
00:02:51.000 Six, seven.
00:02:52.000 At least ten.
00:02:53.000 I would say at least ten.
00:02:54.000 Yeah.
00:02:55.000 Yeah.
00:02:56.000 Like six or seven at the back and then two or three at the back.
00:02:57.000 At least ten actually landed blows on me, right?
00:03:00.000 So that's, for me, in one sense, there has been a, there has been a justice that has been upheld.
00:03:07.000 But in other senses, there has been a miscarriage of justice.
00:03:09.000 Yeah.
00:03:10.000 Because what about all of the other people?
00:03:11.000 Is it just the case?
00:03:12.000 And this makes me actually doubt some of the Metropolitan Police's, seriously, honestly, their methods.
00:03:18.000 Because, is it only because we were able to identify and find one person on social media that we're able to bring them to court?
00:03:25.000 But what about, what methods do you have?
00:03:27.000 I mean, we have video graphic evidence that was, that was shown by hundreds of thousands of people.
00:03:33.000 Yeah.
00:03:34.000 Their faces were identified.
00:03:35.000 We know what they look like.
00:03:37.000 I mean, is the police not able to track these individuals down?
00:03:40.000 And I had this conversation with police officers, but it seems to me there's work to be done from that angle.
00:03:44.000 Well, of course, definitely.
00:03:45.000 They did a good job on the day.
00:03:46.000 Yeah.
00:03:47.000 On the day that, yeah.
00:03:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:49.000 So let's give credit where it's due.
00:03:50.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:51.000 But like I said, there's more to be done.
00:03:52.000 But I think what we need to realise today with what's happened as well is because we know some figures,
00:03:56.000 Caelan Robertson, who used to be very close to associate with Tommy Robinson, has left their movement.
00:04:00.000 Yeah.
00:04:01.000 And has, in other words, said that what we did with the permission of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala actually dismantled the whole organisation.
00:04:06.000 Yeah.
00:04:07.000 And this is profound.
00:04:08.000 And all praises belong to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that we're not seeing this to ask credit for ourselves.
00:04:11.000 And even asking for youngsters to watch us because we went there because we were invited.
00:04:14.000 We would be our fault if we wasn't invited, we're going to cause trouble.
00:04:17.000 So what we need to understand is that far-right terrorism is growing at the moment.
00:04:20.000 So we know in Germany nine people were shot dead by a far-right maniac.
00:04:24.000 And we know what happened at Christchurch.
00:04:26.000 So we can see and also recently what's happening with ISIS carrying that attacks.
00:04:29.000 So we can see it's a tit for tat happening.
00:04:31.000 And we are victims to that because people like you and me and people who are walking,
00:04:35.000 going about their day-to-day life with the general British public, be they're Muslim or non-Muslim.
00:04:39.000 If they're a non-Muslim, they're getting killed at the hands of ISIS. 0.99
00:04:41.000 If they're a Muslim, they're getting killed at the hands of the far-right. 0.99
00:04:43.000 So you can see these people are just feeding off each other. 0.98
00:04:46.000 And I've always said this, they are business partners.
00:04:47.000 Because it's like you have somebody who's going and smashing windows and you have somebody who's selling windows.
00:04:51.000 So they work with each other.
00:04:52.000 I'll give you a bit.
00:04:53.000 You smash the window.
00:04:54.000 I'll, you know, wish it.
00:04:55.000 And this is exactly what's happening.
00:04:56.000 Right.
00:04:57.000 And that's why we need to understand that this is a war, not literally,
00:05:00.000 but in the context of intellectual war to combat this.
00:05:04.000 Because at the end of the day, it's lame and people like us who are going about their day-to-day life,
00:05:08.000 that are falling victim to these one by one, while these people are being brainwashed,
00:05:12.000 be it from Christchurch, be it to Germany, you know, the far-right movement in Europe is growing.
00:05:16.000 So I think it's important for us to understand that we are going to carry on,
00:05:20.000 doing our work, inshallah, to answer those misconceptions.
00:05:23.000 Because I believe it's a lack of communication that's causing hatred and animosity.
00:05:27.000 So I think it was a good success.
00:05:29.000 I believe he should have gotten more instead of a hundred hours of painting a wall.
00:05:33.000 I hope we picked which wall he painted, to be honest, and what to paint on it.
00:05:37.000 But again, you know, I feel sorry for his family, his daughter and his wife was here.
00:05:41.000 And we heard statements that, you know, he was on the verge of divorce or whatever.
00:05:45.000 How true or like, we don't know.
00:05:47.000 But yeah, so at the end of the day, you know, we just wanted to raise awareness to that, inshallah.
00:05:50.000 And yeah, you know, if there's anything else you want to add on.
00:05:52.000 I just, I agree with you, like, you know, extremism begets extremism.
00:05:56.000 Terrorism begets terrorism, you know.
00:05:58.000 Arrogance begets arrogance.
00:06:00.000 At the end of the day, what it is, is the judge said it good.
00:06:02.000 I think the judge was actually quite articulate in his expression.
00:06:05.000 He said that at the end of the day, you're going to have to get used to the fact that we're all living in this country together.
00:06:10.000 And it's a multicultural, multi-faith society.
00:06:12.000 Now, yeah, he said there can be room for vigorous, you know, disagreements between peoples.
00:06:18.000 And which we do.
00:06:19.000 I think it can be healthy to disagree with someone.
00:06:22.000 But so long as we bring it back to a certain level of tolerance, which allows for other people to be able to exist.
00:06:29.000 And we have it in our worldview, in our tradition.
00:06:31.000 The Quran says,
00:06:33.000 In chapter 2, verse 256, there is no compulsion in religion.
00:06:38.000 And truth has been made clear from falsehood.
00:06:40.000 The Quran says,
00:06:42.000 Whoever wants to can believe.
00:06:44.000 Whoever wants to can disbelieve.
00:06:45.000 The Quran says,
00:06:47.000 You have your religion and we have our religion.
00:06:50.000 By the end of the day, you know, we're going to need to learn to get on with each other.
00:06:54.000 And I feel like with figures of hate and stuff like that,
00:06:58.000 Tommy Robinson or whoever it may be, who may be, who is pushing, you know, this.
00:07:02.000 Definitely, definitely.
00:07:03.000 We need to understand.
00:07:04.000 It's more than verbal, man.
00:07:05.000 I think that day was a day of experiment for us.
00:07:08.000 You know, it was an experiment to find out today.
00:07:09.000 Are they really going to let me speak?
00:07:10.000 As a Muslim, is it really a freedom of speech event?
00:07:12.000 And it totally backfired because, you know, if you think about it, there was an infight happening within that.
00:07:17.000 It's called a splinter in the group.
00:07:18.000 Yes, exactly.
00:07:19.000 And what happened is because those who were truly for freedom of speech, like Lucy Brown, Caden Robertson and George, if I'm not mistaken,
00:07:25.000 they were really, and Tommy Robinson was more, his true colors were coming out.
00:07:28.000 So they were exposed and they were thinking, hold on a second.
00:07:30.000 All this time, this guy wasn't about freedom of speech because he wouldn't let Ali speak.
00:07:34.000 The fact that he's not, it shows that this is not a matter of freedom of speech.
00:07:37.000 There is somebody out there, vocally, even though saying, I don't hate Muslims.
00:07:40.000 It's just the ideology of Islam, there's a deeper hatred going on inside. 1.00
00:07:43.000 And we know that through the Quran, we know through the Prophet's life.
00:07:47.000 And the Quran talks about that, you know, you know, it was indeed, they were, you know, attacking you first, you know, 0.99
00:07:52.000 for what other reason, but that you believe in Allah and his messenger.
00:07:55.000 And so when we hear these things where, oh, no, I'm just here about Islam.
00:07:58.000 I don't hate Muslims. 0.93
00:07:59.000 This is nonsense. 0.89
00:08:00.000 These are gradual steps that we know in Nuremberg, Nazi Germany. 0.98
00:08:03.000 Nobody, Hitler did not go to his people and said, shoot the Jews. 0.75
00:08:08.000 It was a gradual process of hatred, dehumanization, where people were ready to pull the trigger.
00:08:12.000 And this is what's happening now gradually.
00:08:14.000 And we're going to put a stop to that.
00:08:16.000 And this was just first steps to that.
00:08:18.000 And we asked, you know, Allah to accept it from us, everybody,
00:08:22.000 because you guys who were watching this helped us catch people like this guy,
00:08:26.000 even though his noodle head was, you know, very, you know, you couldn't miss him really. 0.70
00:08:30.000 But yeah, that's it, man.
00:08:32.000 I got to think about one more thing just to end this off.
00:08:35.000 Just to end this off is like, what kind of world do you want your children to live in?
00:08:38.000 You know what I mean?
00:08:39.000 I want my children to live in a world where, honestly,
00:08:42.000 whether it's a state ruled by non-Islam or a state ruled by Islam,
00:08:46.000 wherever they may be, my children, I want them to be able to communicate
00:08:50.000 and to, you know, interact with people from different faith groups
00:08:54.000 and different race groups and whatever it is.
00:08:56.000 Honestly, that is the way forward for humanity.
00:08:59.000 If the moment we start thinking about, you know, getting at this person or that person
00:09:03.000 or seriously, like, or this group or that group, it will just become divided in society.
00:09:08.000 You know, in the court, there was something profound that was said.
00:09:10.000 He was saying that he was going through a bad phase of his life, yeah?
00:09:12.000 And that really caught my attention because the thing is that if you look at ISIS members or far-right,
00:09:17.000 most of them are troubled individuals.
00:09:19.000 So those who are carried out, the London Bridge attacks, et cetera,
00:09:21.000 if you look at them, there are genuine problems.
00:09:23.000 Some of them even girlfriend-related, be it far-right, whoever.
00:09:26.000 So they have this inner hatred within their self and they want to release it somehow
00:09:30.000 because all of us go for problems and struggles, yeah?
00:09:32.000 Sometimes, you know, you might be going, driving down the road,
00:09:34.000 somebody knows you and you lash out, you know?
00:09:36.000 And it's just a form of, you know, you want to lash out and express it.
00:09:40.000 So you can express it in different means.
00:09:41.000 You can attack somebody that's innocent, that's not doing nothing,
00:09:43.000 but your hatred built inside, you want to take that out.
00:09:46.000 And what happens is, you want a belonging.
00:09:48.000 And this is what ISIS does. 0.98
00:09:49.000 It takes these people who are troubled and says,
00:09:51.000 come on board, you're one of us, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:09:53.000 And the far-right does the same thing.
00:09:54.000 So if you're a young British lad watching this, be Muslim or not Muslim, 0.50
00:09:58.000 do not fall for these traps because what's going to happen is,
00:10:00.000 while they're sipping their tea in their comfy houses like Tommy Robinson in their houses,
00:10:04.000 in his jacuzzi, sipping his alcohol or whatever,
00:10:07.000 you are the one, his little full soldiers who are going out,
00:10:09.000 they're carrying out these attacks and killing innocent.
00:10:11.000 And the same goes with ISIS.
00:10:12.000 Well, Abu Bakr Baghdadi, don't know if he's dead or alive,
00:10:14.000 he's the one who's training these soldiers or Anjum Chowdhury 0.91
00:10:17.000 and you guys are carrying out the attacks, killing yourself, ruining your family 0.74
00:10:20.000 and thinking that Allah is going to accept this from you 0.99
00:10:22.000 at the cost of them just sipping their tea in their comfy houses.
00:10:25.000 Don't fall victim because we was a victim.
00:10:28.000 I believe this guy, even though I despise him, he was a victim.
00:10:33.000 So that was it from us.
00:10:34.000 And we hope, keep yourself, keep us in your duas, inshallah.
00:10:37.000 Hijab, it was a pleasure to see you again.
00:10:39.000 Thank you.
00:10:40.000 Hope to see you again next time.
00:10:41.000 May Allah bless you guys, brothers and sisters.
00:10:43.000 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
00:10:45.000 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.