Ali Dawah - November 06, 2021DANIEL VS DAVID WOOD - EPIC HIGHLIGHTS
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Summary
In this episode, Dr. David W. Wood takes a deep dive into the theology of the Old Testament and how it relates to the teachings of the Holy Qur and Sunnah, and how they relate to Islamic law and practices.
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nation. That's not fair. You want to criticize Islam and the Prophet Muhammad
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for Islamic law and warfare and governance? Fine. But what's your brilliant alternative?
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Look, it's easy for Christians to criticize Muhammad for violence and intolerance because
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the reality of setting up laws and establishing governance is never a peaceful process. No matter
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how good and pure a person you are, there's always evil people that are going to oppose and fight you.
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So what are you going to do? Are you going to give up establishing just laws on earth and allow
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evil satanic forces to rule? Or are you going to fight back, which means resorting to violence?
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Because those are the only two options. What's so bizarre from Christians is that they criticize
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the Prophet Muhammad for this. They criticize him for violence, but that violence is inevitable
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for anyone who wants to establish a just society in the vision of God Almighty.
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long. And the guy thinks he's deep. His first impression of his revelations was that they
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were demonic. He has to be talked out of that by his wife and her cousin. He tried repeatedly
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to commit suicide. Whenever something was going wrong, he would try to kill. He would try to hurl
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himself off a mountain to delivering revelations, promoting polytheism. I mean, where do you see
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that in the prophet? Someone delivers a revelation, promotes polytheism, comes back later and says,
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the devil made me do it. Towards them. In Matthew 5, Jesus says, you have heard that it was said,
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you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those
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who persecute you so that you may be sons of your father who is in heaven. We can see how this command
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to love even our enemies, combined with the biblical teaching that all human beings are created in the
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image of God, influenced early Christian thought. In Romans 12, the apostle Paul says, if possible,
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so far as it depends on you, be at peace with everyone. If your enemy is hungry, feed him. And if he is
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thirsty, give him a drink. In 1 Corinthians 16, he says, let all that you do be done in love. In 1 Thessalonians
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3, he says, may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another and for all people. The author
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of Hebrews in Hebrews 12 says, pursue peace with all people. In 1 Peter 2, the apostle Peter tells us to honor
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all people. So whether you are Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic, young,
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old, white, black, straight, gay, trans, whatever, you are created in the image of God. And Christians
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are commanded to love and respect you based on our shared nature and the love of God.
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That yes, Islam has violence and Islam is not tolerant of every belief and way of life. And
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that's a good thing, as I'll explain. Instead, this is what we read in the Bible about Moses.
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In Numbers 31, verse 14 to 18 of the Bible, we read, and Moses was angry with the officers of the
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army. Moses said to them, have you let all the women live? Now kill every male among the little ones
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and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known
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man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Kill all the women and children, but keep the
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virgin girls for yourselves as sex slaves. That's what the Bible claims Moses said. So I want to ask
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David Wood, do you think that Moses was an evil, bloodthirsty man? Are you going to denounce Moses in
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this debate? Because I don't want to see how, because I don't see how you can denounce the prophet
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Muhammad when you have the example of Moses getting angry because his soldiers are not killing enough
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women and children. There's nothing like that in the Quran or Hadith or in the Islamic tradition more
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broadly. The fact of the matter is when we look at the content of Mosaic law in the Old Testament, it
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contains stoning, it contains expansionist war, it contains destroying the idols of pagan religions, it
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contains slavery, it contains all the things that Christians criticize Islam for, and it even goes beyond
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Islam in advocating killing women and children. So if Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran are evil because of these
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practices, then Mosaic law, Moses, and the Old Testament are at least as evil. Standard. But the
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problem gets even worse for Christians. This is because obviously Moses didn't just make up the
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law, he was only conveying the commandments of God Almighty. You could just say, well don't you
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Christians believe that God revealed those things in the past? Yes, yes we do. So if stoning,
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expansionist war and slavery are evil, then the God of the Old Testament was evil. War and slavery are
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evil, then the God of the Old Testament was evil. Killing women, children, and infants. There's nothing
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like that in the Quran and Hadith. So isn't this the most outrageous double standard? David Wood, please
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explain this. Explain how you can criticize Islam and smear the Prophet Muhammad ï·º as a violent,
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bloodthirsty, warmonger, when according to your own theology, your God, Jesus Christ, also commanded
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and approved of all these things and more. So David Wood, you're extremely dishonest when you
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criticize Islam and in fact Christians should really hate you for what you're doing because
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you're essentially training your fellow Christians to reject the Bible and hate Moses and Jesus.
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Because when you tell a personal Messiah for individual salvation, on this point, Jesus is not
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concerned with criticizing the Roman pagan regime. You could just say, well don't you Christians
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believe that God revealed those things in the past? Yes, yes we do and so did your prophet. In fact,
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according to your prophet Daniel, Allah revealed the Torah that you're criticizing and calling,
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saying that it calls for genocide. So you and your followers are attacking your own God and your
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own prophet here. Interesting debate tactic. Mocking your own God and prophet is sure to catch us off
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...kinds of acts of violence and intolerance. I'm not saying that everything that's in the Old Testament
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is exactly true because as Muslims we believe in Tahrif basically that the older revelations have been
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modified and distorted and corrupted. And by the way, this is the view that is corroborated by Western
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scholarship. But I'm not going to affirm or deny these things that are attributed to Moses. I'm just
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saying you explain them. You explain how you cannot, you consider Muhammad ï·º as an evil warmonger,
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bloodthirsty, bloodthirsty. But Moses, you don't seem to have the same position.
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...aware of these miracles too. So they knew who they were rebelling against if they went after Israel.
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By contrast, the Quran repeatedly denies that Muhammad's revelations were accompanied by any
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Well, let me just respond to the miracles point.
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There are entire books written about the miracles of the Prophet Muhammad ï·º.
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but the livrobe and the Amalek witness, where's their proof that those aren't fabrications?
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The Exodus was accompanied by constant, miraculous intervention.
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He is parting the Red Sea, and he's literally going around as a pillar of cloud by day and
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So here again, if there were a pillar of fire or a pillar of cloud giving us orders right
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now, and you say, I don't have to listen to you, or if you're not one of the people
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who were actually following him, you're someone else and you're saying, I don't care what
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I don't care about these people who are just led through the sea.
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I say God has the right to give life or to take life.
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You need to address the points that I'm making.
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It seems like the argument that you're making is that Moses had miracles, and therefore it
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was okay to wipe out the Canaanites and the Amalekites and the other tribes.
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Because the order in the Old Testament is to kill babies as well and children.
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Do the children, like, are they responsible for recognizing the truth of Moses's message?
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Again, I'm not claiming that this is actually what Moses did.
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This is what is attributed to him in the Old Testament.
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So I want you as a Christian who accepts the Old Testament and thinks that Moses was given
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commands by God, who, by the way, is Jesus Christ, part of the Triune God, explain how you would
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not be forced to denounce Moses's policies and Jesus's policies if you're using those kinds