Ali Dawah


Dawah to a Christian ｜｜ Speakers Corner


Episode Stats

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

42


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the topic of whether or not God is a God of Mercy. What does the Quran say about this and why does it matter to us? Is God merciful or does He require someone to die for our sins?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Us? I might be wrong with that.
00:00:03.000 In a valley? No, it's a...
00:00:05.000 Over a razor sharp bridge, is that correct?
00:00:08.000 One second. Do you want to record this?
00:00:10.000 Is it for your channel?
00:00:12.000 Yeah.
00:00:13.000 I made it for my channel as well.
00:00:15.000 Can I smile?
00:00:17.000 Smile.
00:00:18.000 Smile!
00:00:19.000 So basically, as I understand it,
00:00:23.000 I need to look up the script because I'm speaking from the top of my head.
00:00:26.000 Even he appeared not to have assurance of salvation.
00:00:29.000 It's not to show the salvation. It's humble.
00:00:32.000 You know, it's not saying...
00:00:33.000 We don't go and say,
00:00:34.000 You are 100% going to heaven and nobody can see that.
00:00:37.000 With you, we're just being, you know what, look.
00:00:39.000 This guy is going to come this side. This guy is so loud, man.
00:00:41.000 We will do our best. Right?
00:00:43.000 We will do our best.
00:00:44.000 But your opinion, you've got a guarantee card.
00:00:46.000 You both think it's good.
00:00:48.000 I absolutely agree with you.
00:00:50.000 Okay, we're in humility. We're seeing, you know what?
00:00:52.000 We do our bit.
00:00:53.000 Right.
00:00:54.000 If you read the Quran, it says Allah, the most merciful, the most beneficial.
00:00:58.000 Right.
00:00:59.000 So if he's the most merciful, he looks at Ali and says,
00:01:01.000 You know what? Ali has made sins.
00:01:03.000 But Ali brings five times a day, for example.
00:01:05.000 Yeah.
00:01:06.000 He helps the poor.
00:01:07.000 He does, et cetera, et cetera, for example.
00:01:08.000 Yeah.
00:01:09.000 He does all of this.
00:01:10.000 Yeah, do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:01:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:01:12.000 He has a haircut looking good.
00:01:13.000 Whatever, yeah?
00:01:14.000 So what it is, if he does this, right?
00:01:16.000 God is going to get my good deeds and my bad deeds.
00:01:19.000 And Allah says, he chooses.
00:01:21.000 Even if my bad deeds are more than my good deeds, he might choose and say,
00:01:24.000 You know what?
00:01:25.000 One day, let's say this time, you did something really good.
00:01:28.000 And I give you bad things because of that.
00:01:30.000 And you go into heaven.
00:01:31.000 This is the mercy of God.
00:01:32.000 Okay.
00:01:33.000 This is the mercy.
00:01:34.000 But you need to put work in.
00:01:35.000 If you was married, how would you like if your wife came up to you and said,
00:01:38.000 Patrick, I love you.
00:01:39.000 But she doesn't kiss you.
00:01:40.000 She doesn't show you love.
00:01:41.000 She doesn't buy you nothing.
00:01:43.000 She says, I love you.
00:01:44.000 Does that love count?
00:01:46.000 It's a rather cheap love, basically.
00:01:49.000 It's a cheap love?
00:01:50.000 Yeah.
00:01:51.000 Just the way, don't get me wrong, it's the cheap one you give to God.
00:01:53.000 You know why?
00:01:54.000 Because you see, we believe.
00:01:56.000 Do you practice?
00:01:57.000 No, we don't.
00:01:58.000 Do you pray?
00:01:59.000 No, we don't.
00:02:00.000 Do you give the charity?
00:02:01.000 No, we don't.
00:02:02.000 No, we don't.
00:02:03.000 That's not love.
00:02:04.000 We love you.
00:02:05.000 We sacrifice.
00:02:06.000 We pray.
00:02:07.000 Look over there.
00:02:08.000 Take the camera over there.
00:02:09.000 The brothers have just finished praying.
00:02:11.000 Right?
00:02:12.000 The brothers have just finished praying.
00:02:13.000 They pray.
00:02:14.000 We pray just like Jesus did.
00:02:16.000 Jesus fasted over 30 days.
00:02:18.000 We fast for 30 days.
00:02:20.000 To summarize, you're trying to say that actions speak louder than words.
00:02:23.000 Yes.
00:02:24.000 Yes.
00:02:25.000 It's very louder than words.
00:02:26.000 And I believe it's a wishful thinking.
00:02:27.000 That you believe you're going to die.
00:02:29.000 Not praying.
00:02:30.000 You're not doing certain things.
00:02:31.000 And you're going to go to God and say,
00:02:32.000 God, we believe your son or yourself died for our sins.
00:02:36.000 Yeah.
00:02:37.000 And God's going to be like,
00:02:38.000 Yes.
00:02:39.000 Okay.
00:02:40.000 Now you can go heaven.
00:02:41.000 And now you're going to have to reply specifically to that.
00:02:42.000 I believe that's what you're thinking on your part.
00:02:43.000 Yes.
00:02:44.000 Because you believe that you put faith in your good works.
00:02:46.000 Yes.
00:02:47.000 That you can be on an equal level of God.
00:02:48.000 As holy as the pure as God.
00:02:49.000 No.
00:02:50.000 Because if God is just and holy.
00:02:51.000 No way we say that.
00:02:52.000 He will not be able to accept you.
00:02:53.000 No way we say that.
00:02:54.000 No way we say that.
00:02:55.000 Listen.
00:02:56.000 Listen.
00:02:57.000 The most pure as the pure as we can say.
00:02:58.000 Yeah.
00:02:59.000 Is the prophet Muhammad.
00:03:00.000 Yes.
00:03:01.000 Even he.
00:03:02.000 Yeah.
00:03:03.000 Right.
00:03:04.000 Even he.
00:03:05.000 Can't say he's the same.
00:03:06.000 We don't say that.
00:03:07.000 Okay.
00:03:08.000 Listen to this.
00:03:09.000 Look.
00:03:10.000 In the Quran it says look.
00:03:11.000 Yeah.
00:03:12.000 You can make mistakes.
00:03:13.000 Yes.
00:03:14.000 But I'm merciful.
00:03:15.000 Okay.
00:03:16.000 God is saying I am merciful.
00:03:17.000 I can forgive.
00:03:18.000 I have no argument.
00:03:19.000 I'm sorry.
00:03:20.000 You're not arguing about that.
00:03:21.000 No.
00:03:22.000 I need somebody to die.
00:03:23.000 I need blood.
00:03:24.000 I need to see someone.
00:03:25.000 What kind of a loving God is that?
00:03:26.000 That requires someone.
00:03:27.000 His son.
00:03:28.000 To die for our sins.
00:03:30.000 Where in the Quran.
00:03:31.000 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala say.
00:03:32.000 Look.
00:03:33.000 Come to me with sin as high as the skies.
00:03:36.000 I will forgive.
00:03:37.000 Okay.
00:03:38.000 I will forgive.
00:03:39.000 Every single one of them.
00:03:40.000 Unless you associate partners with me.
00:03:41.000 Look at the love.
00:03:42.000 This is what real love is.
00:03:43.000 God is saying I will forgive you.
00:03:44.000 I'm so sorry.
00:03:45.000 And whereas in the bible it says no.
00:03:46.000 I need blood.
00:03:47.000 Somebody has to die.
00:03:48.000 You tell me which one is my love.
00:03:49.000 Okay.
00:03:50.000 Going back to what you made bad sort of.
00:03:51.000 Good deeds.
00:03:52.000 I'm going to rephrase it a different way.
00:03:53.000 Yeah.
00:03:54.000 Do you believe you have any corruption in you whatsoever?
00:03:55.000 Are you as pure as God is?
00:03:56.000 Me?
00:03:57.000 Yes.
00:03:58.000 I'm telling him look.
00:03:59.000 Yeah.
00:04:00.000 I'm telling him look.
00:04:01.000 Yeah.
00:04:02.000 Do you believe you have any corruption in you whatsoever?
00:04:03.000 Are you as pure as God is?
00:04:04.000 Me?
00:04:05.000 Yes.
00:04:06.000 I'm telling him look.
00:04:07.000 Are you on camera?
00:04:08.000 I am a sinner.
00:04:09.000 I make sins.
00:04:10.000 I always make sins.
00:04:11.000 Okay.
00:04:12.000 And I would always make sins.
00:04:13.000 Okay.
00:04:14.000 But knowing that I try my best.
00:04:15.000 Yeah.
00:04:16.000 And I pray.
00:04:17.000 Right?
00:04:18.000 I don't want to be perfect.
00:04:19.000 But knowing that Allah is the most merciful.
00:04:20.000 Right.
00:04:21.000 I know in my heart.
00:04:22.000 When even when I sin I don't want to.
00:04:24.000 But certain times we all fall for it.
00:04:26.000 But knowing that there's a loving God that says he will forgive me.
00:04:29.000 That gives me hope.
00:04:30.000 Yeah.
00:04:31.000 But where about you?
00:04:32.000 What do you mean by that?
00:04:33.000 I've answered the question.
00:04:34.000 Sure.
00:04:35.000 If we say that we can work our way into God's good books.
00:04:39.000 We are saying that we're as pure and righteous as God's.
00:04:42.000 And I would have to refute that.
00:04:44.000 We've never said that.
00:04:45.000 And number two.
00:04:46.000 I'll come back to the point.
00:04:47.000 We've meant to be doers of the word.
00:04:48.000 Not just hearers.
00:04:49.000 The Bible's very clear about that.
00:04:50.000 And therefore.
00:04:51.000 If I was to claim I'm a Christian.
00:04:52.000 Yet did anti-Christian things all the time.
00:04:55.000 You'd probably have enough proof to say.
00:04:57.000 Well.
00:04:58.000 You know.
00:04:59.000 That actually I is a Christian.
00:05:00.000 I don't think you'd have the proof in front of you.
00:05:08.000 That I'm lying about my Christianity.
00:05:11.000 Or at least I'm a cultural Christian in most cases.
00:05:13.000 Like I could be a cultural Muslim.
00:05:14.000 Muslim.
00:05:15.000 Which is basically the way Muslim.
00:05:16.000 So it's the same difference there.
00:05:18.000 But our salvation relies on God.
00:05:21.000 Because the minute you start relying on works.
00:05:24.000 To make yourself right before God.
00:05:26.000 That is where pride comes in.
00:05:27.000 That is where you make yourself equal to God.
00:05:29.000 And ironically.
00:05:30.000 You're almost making yourself an associate with God.
00:05:32.000 You're doing that.
00:05:33.000 How do you know this?
00:05:34.000 You said.
00:05:35.000 The moment we put our works in.
00:05:36.000 It's like what?
00:05:37.000 The moment we rely on our works.
00:05:39.000 Yeah.
00:05:40.000 On good deeds.
00:05:41.000 And I'm saying from bad deeds too.
00:05:44.000 No.
00:05:45.000 That is a form of pride.
00:05:46.000 Okay.
00:05:47.000 You're saying that you can be as pure as God.
00:05:49.000 Okay.
00:05:50.000 You're thinking that when we practice.
00:05:52.000 It's like we're saying.
00:05:53.000 Look.
00:05:54.000 We did the works with pride.
00:05:55.000 Even though we practice.
00:05:56.000 And we do all of that.
00:05:57.000 We still come to Christians and say.
00:05:58.000 Look.
00:05:59.000 Inshallah.
00:06:00.000 Meaning hopefully.
00:06:01.000 We will go heaven.
00:06:03.000 Look at this.
00:06:04.000 Look at what you said.
00:06:05.000 You said.
00:06:06.000 Look at.
00:06:07.000 We don't even have a pride.
00:06:08.000 We're doing.
00:06:09.000 We're praying.
00:06:10.000 Yeah.
00:06:11.000 But we still come to Christians and say.
00:06:12.000 Look.
00:06:13.000 If God wills.
00:06:14.000 We will go heaven.
00:06:15.000 Look at.
00:06:16.000 Look at the thing we have in here.
00:06:17.000 Look at the humbleness.
00:06:18.000 As Muslims we have in here.
00:06:19.000 Right.
00:06:20.000 Even though we're doing the works.
00:06:21.000 We're saying.
00:06:22.000 Look.
00:06:23.000 Inshallah we'll go to heaven.
00:06:24.000 Right.
00:06:25.000 But whereas you.
00:06:26.000 I want to tell you.
00:06:27.000 God said.
00:06:28.000 He's going to die for your sins.
00:06:29.000 Where did he say that?
00:06:30.000 Where did he say.
00:06:31.000 I will die for your sins.
00:06:32.000 At the moment.
00:06:33.000 I can't remember why.
00:06:34.000 You got me.
00:06:35.000 No.
00:06:36.000 No.
00:06:37.000 No.
00:06:38.000 No.
00:06:39.000 No.
00:06:40.000 No.
00:06:41.000 No.
00:06:42.000 No.
00:06:43.000 No.
00:06:44.000 No.
00:06:45.000 No.
00:06:46.000 No.
00:06:47.000 No.
00:06:48.000 No.
00:06:49.000 No.
00:06:51.000 Yeah.
00:06:53.000 Nobody gives a father back to me.
00:06:55.000 That's important.
00:06:56.000 Also, this is an important thing,
00:06:58.000 he says he's a forgiver of sins.
00:06:59.000 Take blind people's sins.
00:07:00.000 Do you remember the Gospel of Luke?
00:07:02.000 When he mentions he had a paralyzed man,
00:07:04.000 and says,
00:07:05.000 your faith has made me well.
00:07:08.000 Your faith has made me well.
00:07:10.000 The Pharisees looked at that,
00:07:12.000 and they thought,
00:07:13.000 what's going on here?
00:07:14.000 This is Sabbath.
00:07:15.000 First of all, it's Sabbath.
00:07:17.000 Then number two,
00:07:18.000 he wants them to say,
00:07:19.000 who can give sins?
00:07:21.000 When he says,
00:07:23.000 your sins are forgiven, brother.
00:07:24.000 The Pharisees knew what Jesus was saying here.
00:07:26.000 They knew that he was forgiving sins.
00:07:28.000 And this is Sabbath,
00:07:29.000 because they knew
00:07:30.000 that was equating himself with God.
00:07:32.000 Okay, okay.
00:07:33.000 If that's the case,
00:07:34.000 if he was forgiving sins on his own accord,
00:07:36.000 then you need to understand
00:07:37.000 that there's another verse that says,
00:07:39.000 Jesus says,
00:07:40.000 I and my own self can do nothing.
00:07:43.000 As I seek, I judge,
00:07:45.000 and my judgment is just.
00:07:46.000 I do not seek my will,
00:07:48.000 but the will of my Father.
00:07:49.000 Automatically,
00:07:50.000 he's referring to God.
00:07:51.000 In the book of Acts,
00:07:52.000 chapter 2, verse 22,
00:07:53.000 it says,
00:07:54.000 Jesus of Nazareth,
00:07:55.000 a man approved of God,
00:07:57.000 with wonders,
00:07:58.000 miracles,
00:07:59.000 and signs,
00:08:00.000 which God did by him.
00:08:03.000 Listen to this carefully.
00:08:04.000 Which God did by him.
00:08:06.000 Just like Moses did miracles,
00:08:08.000 God did it by him.
00:08:10.000 You know, God gave him that power.
00:08:11.000 Moses didn't come and say,
00:08:12.000 look, I'm throwing this on the floor,
00:08:13.000 and he's going to turn to a snake.
00:08:14.000 By God's will,
00:08:15.000 and Jesus is clearly saying this.
00:08:17.000 Now,
00:08:18.000 I will give you another verse,
00:08:19.000 where Jesus is clearly saying,
00:08:20.000 he didn't die for our sins.
00:08:21.000 Because he says,
00:08:22.000 one day,
00:08:23.000 some man comes up to him,
00:08:24.000 and says,
00:08:25.000 oh good master,
00:08:26.000 what must I do,
00:08:27.000 to gain eternal life?
00:08:28.000 Why do you call me good?
00:08:29.000 First,
00:08:30.000 if he's the same with God,
00:08:32.000 why does he,
00:08:33.000 if God would,
00:08:34.000 somebody comes to God,
00:08:35.000 and says,
00:08:36.000 oh good master,
00:08:37.000 why would he refuse to be called good?
00:08:38.000 He says to the man,
00:08:39.000 he says to the man,
00:08:40.000 why do you call me good?
00:08:42.000 There is only one good,
00:08:43.000 and that's God,
00:08:44.000 number one.
00:08:45.000 Now, coming back to the sense,
00:08:46.000 he says,
00:08:47.000 only your mother and father,
00:08:48.000 do not commit adultery,
00:08:49.000 do not commit murder,
00:08:50.000 etc, etc, etc.
00:08:52.000 And the man says,
00:08:53.000 look, Jesus, my Lord,
00:08:54.000 yeah,
00:08:55.000 he says,
00:08:56.000 I have done all of them since I was young,
00:08:58.000 what must I do now,
00:08:59.000 to gain eternal life?
00:09:01.000 Now, the problem here is,
00:09:02.000 and I ask the Christians is this,
00:09:04.000 if that's the case,
00:09:05.000 why didn't Jesus say,
00:09:06.000 um,
00:09:07.000 okay,
00:09:08.000 you lack one thing,
00:09:10.000 and that one thing,
00:09:11.000 is believing that I died for your sins,
00:09:13.000 he doesn't say that,
00:09:14.000 he doesn't,
00:09:15.000 he says,
00:09:16.000 you lack one thing,
00:09:17.000 and that one thing is,
00:09:18.000 you go home,
00:09:19.000 sell your wealth,
00:09:20.000 and give it,
00:09:21.000 distribute it to the poor,
00:09:22.000 then you will be in eternal life.
00:09:24.000 Now, the problem is here is this,
00:09:26.000 if Jesus,
00:09:27.000 his all Christianity thing,
00:09:28.000 is based on him dying for your sins,
00:09:29.000 he should have said,
00:09:30.000 you lack one thing,
00:09:31.000 and that's believing that I died for your sins,
00:09:33.000 now follow me.
00:09:34.000 But he doesn't say that,
00:09:35.000 he says,
00:09:36.000 go home,
00:09:37.000 sell your wealth,
00:09:38.000 you get to the poor,
00:09:39.000 you get eternal life.
00:09:40.000 So that means,
00:09:41.000 if I'm a rich man,
00:09:42.000 I go home,
00:09:43.000 sell my wealth,
00:09:44.000 you get to the poor,
00:09:45.000 I get eternal life.
00:09:46.000 So, how does Jesus' time fit into that?
00:09:47.000 We haven't died yet,
00:09:48.000 basically,
00:09:49.000 this was going to happen in the future,
00:09:50.000 that was going to happen in the future.
00:09:52.000 And number two,
00:09:53.000 you have to bear in mind,
00:09:54.000 that when he said,
00:09:55.000 why are you calling me good,
00:09:57.000 God is good,
00:09:58.000 my implication was saying,
00:10:00.000 he is God himself.
00:10:01.000 Number two,
00:10:02.000 number two,
00:10:03.000 this is important bit,
00:10:04.000 if you go earlier,
00:10:05.000 if you go earlier in that chapter,
00:10:06.000 Jesus is giving you an illustration of the vineyard,
00:10:09.000 where you had the tenancy farmers,
00:10:12.000 basically,
00:10:13.000 and the owner of the vineyard,
00:10:14.000 was going there to get his rent,
00:10:16.000 basically.
00:10:17.000 So mistreating his servants,
00:10:18.000 killing some,
00:10:19.000 mistreating others,
00:10:20.000 ultimately sent his son.
00:10:21.000 Now that owner,
00:10:22.000 even the Pharisees knew what Jesus was saying,
00:10:25.000 they knew,
00:10:26.000 that he was meant that the owner was God,
00:10:28.000 the tenancy farmers,
00:10:29.000 basically,
00:10:30.000 were the Pharisees,
00:10:31.000 the servants,
00:10:32.000 who the owner was saying,
00:10:33.000 were the prophets from old,
00:10:34.000 and his son,
00:10:35.000 Jesus was implying that he himself was God's son.
00:10:38.000 Now,
00:10:39.000 they knew that,
00:10:40.000 and that's why they took offense at that.
00:10:42.000 And that was happening before,
00:10:43.000 Jesus met up with,
00:10:45.000 met up with this chap,
00:10:46.000 who's asking him,
00:10:47.000 what have you told him,
00:10:48.000 that's one thing you lack?
00:10:49.000 You also asked,
00:10:50.000 well,
00:10:51.000 you said that Jesus was saying,
00:10:52.000 why do you call me good?
00:10:53.000 No,
00:10:54.000 God is good.
00:10:55.000 You've got two answers to that.
00:10:56.000 Either you could say,
00:10:57.000 well,
00:10:58.000 you're not,
00:10:59.000 you're not good,
00:11:00.000 because you're not God.
00:11:01.000 Or,
00:11:02.000 you could say that you,
00:11:03.000 you are good,
00:11:04.000 Jesus,
00:11:05.000 because you are God.
00:11:06.000 Do you have a choice?
00:11:07.000 You've got two choices to that.
00:11:08.000 Yeah, so,
00:11:09.000 that would be my answer to that.
00:11:10.000 And second,
00:11:11.000 two points,
00:11:12.000 very quick.
00:11:13.000 First of all,
00:11:14.000 when,
00:11:15.000 after Jesus had been resurrected from the dead,
00:11:16.000 when he met his disciples,
00:11:17.000 you had Thomas,
00:11:18.000 who called him,
00:11:19.000 my Lord and my God.
00:11:20.000 And Jesus referred to him and said,
00:11:21.000 said,
00:11:22.000 reply to him,
00:11:23.000 now you believe.
00:11:24.000 Now,
00:11:25.000 if Jesus was a good teacher,
00:11:26.000 that we both believe he was,
00:11:27.000 he would have immediately corrected Thomas on that,
00:11:29.000 on that point.
00:11:30.000 Third point,
00:11:31.000 the third and final point,
00:11:32.000 is just at Jesus' trial,
00:11:34.000 with the religious leaders.
00:11:37.000 Jesus,
00:11:38.000 Jesus asked about,
00:11:39.000 who,
00:11:40.000 who are you?
00:11:41.000 He referred to himself as a son of man,
00:11:42.000 who's prophesied in Daniel,
00:11:44.000 and who would be,
00:11:45.000 whose kingdom to be everlasting,
00:11:46.000 is everlasting.
00:11:47.000 But,
00:11:48.000 the point I'm trying to make is,
00:11:49.000 that if you're trying to...
00:11:50.000 Where did he say,
00:11:51.000 he died for our sins?
00:11:52.000 I don't get it.
00:11:53.000 Sorry?
00:11:54.000 Where did he say,
00:11:55.000 he died for our sins?
00:11:56.000 Yes.
00:11:57.000 He died for our sins.
00:11:58.000 He died for our sins.
00:11:59.000 I love the passion,
00:12:00.000 the young man promised him,
00:12:01.000 the young man died.
00:12:02.000 What I'm trying to say is this,
00:12:03.000 if he didn't save his own mouth,
00:12:05.000 and he died for our sins,
00:12:06.000 if he didn't save his own mouth,
00:12:07.000 that I am God,
00:12:08.000 why do you believe what God said?
00:12:10.000 Because at the end of the day,
00:12:11.000 it's the escape.
00:12:12.000 Abraham,
00:12:13.000 said there was one God.
00:12:14.000 Moses said there is one God.
00:12:15.000 Jesus said there is one God.
00:12:17.000 Jesus said there is one God.
00:12:18.000 Jesus says look, hear o Israel, our LORD God is one.
00:12:22.920 No, no, no, no, no.
00:12:23.860 It's very important here.
00:12:24.740 United one.
00:12:25.740 No, no, no, no.
00:12:27.320 It isn't words for God, it's a plural.
00:12:29.520 Listen, listen Patrick.
00:12:30.440 Do you believe in Abraham?
00:12:31.120 Yes I do.
00:12:31.860 Do you believe in Moses?
00:12:32.740 Yes I do.
00:12:33.440 Do you believe in Jesus?
00:12:33.640 Yes I do.
00:12:34.360 Then why do you say, Moses, I mean, Abraham's a liar.
00:12:37.260 Moses a liar.
00:12:38.520 Jesus a liar.
00:12:39.520 But what Paul said is right.
00:12:40.520 You're getting three messages of God, who's Paul a messenger of God?
00:12:44.740 You're complaining, that's absolutely complication.
00:12:46.820 Was Paul a messenger of God?
00:12:50.820 Yes, of course. He's an apostle.
00:12:52.820 No, no, no. Was he a messenger of God?
00:12:54.820 He was an apostle basically.
00:12:55.820 No, he wasn't. You know very well he was then.
00:12:57.820 Okay.
00:12:58.820 So, Abraham says one God...
00:12:59.820 No, no, no. Tell me what he was then. If you wasn't an apostle, tell me what he was.
00:13:01.820 That's according to your language.
00:13:02.820 Paul was somebody that killed Christians.
00:13:04.820 He was a bounty hunter, as you know.
00:13:06.820 And one day he comes and goes,
00:13:07.820 Guys, I had a revelation today.
00:13:10.820 God spoke to me.
00:13:11.820 Okay.
00:13:12.820 What if Hitler came here today
00:13:14.820 and said to the Jews,
00:13:16.820 Jews, I've killed six million of you guys,
00:13:18.820 but God spoke to me.
00:13:20.820 Now follow me.
00:13:21.820 Would the Jews follow us?
00:13:23.820 Very unlikely.
00:13:24.820 They were flying kicking him in his head.
00:13:26.820 Yeah, they were flying kicking him straight up.
00:13:27.820 So, what I'm trying to say to you is,
00:13:29.820 Abraham says one God,
00:13:31.820 Moses says one God,
00:13:32.820 Jesus says one God.
00:13:33.820 Paul comes along,
00:13:34.820 a person that kills Christians and says,
00:13:35.820 No guys,
00:13:36.820 this is a good God.
00:13:37.820 And they didn't believe him at first.
00:13:38.820 They were scared of him at first.
00:13:40.820 They didn't believe him for a while.
00:13:41.820 Exactly.
00:13:42.820 I'm trying to say,
00:13:43.820 I'd rather believe Abraham,
00:13:44.820 Moses and Jesus,
00:13:45.820 than somebody that used to kill Christians.
00:13:46.820 And you should take that upon yourself.
00:13:48.820 Now,
00:13:49.820 secondly,
00:13:50.820 know where Jesus said...
00:13:51.820 Come on, verbatim, verbatim.
00:13:52.820 Don't use notes.
00:13:53.820 No, no, no.
00:13:54.820 I'm not using notes.
00:13:55.820 Okay, no problem.
00:13:56.820 So,
00:13:57.820 what I'm trying to say is this.
00:13:58.820 I can give you like,
00:13:59.820 many examples, right?
00:14:01.820 I need you to acknowledge that Jesus,
00:14:03.820 if he never said it himself,
00:14:05.820 why do you want to believe that?
00:14:07.820 We're not here to say,
00:14:09.820 my religion is the best.
00:14:10.820 I'm on the debate.
00:14:11.820 I'm not here to do that.
00:14:12.820 I'm sincerely telling you Patrick,
00:14:13.820 and I've talked to you many, many times.
00:14:15.820 You are sincere.
00:14:16.820 Yes.
00:14:17.820 If you are truthful,
00:14:18.820 excuse my voice,
00:14:19.820 if you are sincere and truthful,
00:14:21.820 you will say,
00:14:22.820 hold on a second.
00:14:23.820 Most people come and say to me,
00:14:25.820 the Quran is written by man,
00:14:27.820 and the Bible is from God.
00:14:29.820 And this is what I say.
00:14:30.820 I say,
00:14:31.820 if that's the case,
00:14:32.820 how is it that a man,
00:14:33.820 has done a better job than your God?
00:14:35.820 In the Bible,
00:14:36.820 there's contradictions,
00:14:37.820 there's errors,
00:14:38.820 there's errors,
00:14:39.820 there's verses added in later,
00:14:40.820 but in the Quran,
00:14:41.820 that's written by a man,
00:14:42.820 he doesn't have these errors.
00:14:44.820 So, you need to question yourself,
00:14:45.820 and go, hold on a second.
00:14:46.820 Jesus, himself,
00:14:48.820 prophesies of a comforter that will come.
00:14:51.820 Yes.
00:14:52.820 In his name.
00:14:53.820 In his name.
00:14:54.820 No, no.
00:14:55.820 His name?
00:14:56.820 That's nonsense.
00:14:57.820 If you're trying to say the Holy Spirit,
00:14:59.820 it's Mohammed,
00:15:00.820 that is absolute nonsense.
00:15:01.820 How is that nonsense?
00:15:02.820 Because it comes in his name,
00:15:03.820 in Jesus' name.
00:15:04.820 And Mohammed's,
00:15:05.820 sorry,
00:15:06.820 Mohammed's message is rather different from the Bible.
00:15:08.820 No, no, no.
00:15:09.820 Didn't he come,
00:15:10.820 didn't prophet Mohammed,
00:15:11.820 the message he got,
00:15:12.820 told us to believe and love Jesus?
00:15:13.820 Excuse me, sorry?
00:15:14.820 Didn't prophet Mohammed,
00:15:15.820 he told us to believe and love Jesus?
00:15:17.820 He would,
00:15:18.820 well, he so.
00:15:19.820 So,
00:15:20.820 so,
00:15:21.820 if he's talking about the comforter,
00:15:22.820 if he's saying,
00:15:23.820 when I go,
00:15:24.820 he shall come,
00:15:25.820 prophet Mohammed came 600 years later,
00:15:27.820 he says,
00:15:29.820 he shall guide you onto all truth.
00:15:31.820 Yes.
00:15:32.820 Which is the Quran.
00:15:33.820 He says,
00:15:34.820 he shall not speak of himself.
00:15:35.820 As he hears,
00:15:36.820 he shall speak.
00:15:37.820 Every Muslim knows that prophet Mohammed,
00:15:38.820 he spoke on him,
00:15:39.820 did not know how to read or write.
00:15:40.820 And he taught it.
00:15:41.820 He did not speak of himself.
00:15:42.820 As he heard from angel Gabriel,
00:15:44.820 he spoke it to his disciples.
00:15:45.820 Right.
00:15:46.820 And the last point it says,
00:15:47.820 the comforter,
00:15:48.820 Jesus is saying,
00:15:49.820 he shall glorify me.
00:15:50.820 Is there any religion,
00:15:51.820 on this planet,
00:15:52.820 that loves Jesus,
00:15:53.820 follows Jesus,
00:15:54.820 and glorifies Jesus apart from Islam?
00:15:56.820 I don't think it's true.
00:15:57.820 I'm asking who is it then?
00:15:59.820 Okay,
00:16:00.820 first of all,
00:16:01.820 you're coming out with,
00:16:02.820 saying the Quran is perfect and unchanged.
00:16:03.820 Yes.
00:16:04.820 Do you have the Romanic manuscripts?
00:16:05.820 Sorry?
00:16:06.820 Do you have the,
00:16:07.820 do you have the manuscripts
00:16:08.820 from the time of Kalifutban?
00:16:09.820 Yes.
00:16:10.820 Without going to the notes.
00:16:11.820 No, for the pictures.
00:16:12.820 No, no, it's okay.
00:16:13.820 Without going to the notes.
00:16:14.820 Okay.
00:16:15.820 We've got,
00:16:16.820 we've got,
00:16:17.820 the Quran was done by two ways.
00:16:18.820 What's been said about Al-Katuric?
00:16:19.820 What's been said about the Quran?
00:16:20.820 Sorry?
00:16:21.820 What's Al-Katuric?
00:16:22.820 I've got a nice name.
00:16:23.820 Al-Turic.
00:16:24.820 Al-Turic is Turkish.
00:16:25.820 I know.
00:16:26.820 He said it in this picture over here.
00:16:27.820 Yeah.
00:16:28.820 That is from the late 1st century,
00:16:30.820 2nd century Egypt.
00:16:31.820 Right.
00:16:32.820 We have 100% of the Quran
00:16:35.820 in Al-Uspain Museum,
00:16:37.820 in Egypt,
00:16:38.820 Mosque.
00:16:39.820 Yeah.
00:16:40.820 And from 1st century Egypt,
00:16:41.820 we have 85%.
00:16:42.820 You're aware of,
00:16:43.820 you're aware of Yasser Gasser,
00:16:44.820 aren't you?
00:16:45.820 Yasser Gasser,
00:16:46.820 who does,
00:16:47.820 actually,
00:16:48.820 I'm with Mansour's actually,
00:16:49.820 where they actually were
00:16:50.820 ponding apple-chase with us
00:16:51.820 at the tennis house.
00:16:52.820 This was about one month ago.
00:16:54.820 There is no,
00:16:55.820 there is no,
00:16:56.820 um,
00:16:57.820 extant,
00:16:58.820 full Mushaf from,
00:16:59.820 from the time of Kalatufman.
00:17:00.820 You've got to bear in mind,
00:17:01.820 at the time of Islam,
00:17:02.820 at that time,
00:17:03.820 at that period of time,
00:17:04.820 that the Mushafs were on,
00:17:05.820 apparently on Vellum,
00:17:07.820 which is quite strong,
00:17:08.820 does not deteriorate fast.
00:17:09.820 And also,
00:17:10.820 the cities,
00:17:11.820 where these Mushafs were taken to,
00:17:12.820 they were all under full Muslim control.
00:17:15.820 We Christians,
00:17:16.820 we,
00:17:17.820 for the first,
00:17:18.820 um,
00:17:19.820 for the first three centuries,
00:17:20.820 we were persecuted,
00:17:21.820 we were,
00:17:22.820 we were not in control of cities,
00:17:23.820 basically.
00:17:24.820 Uh,
00:17:25.820 our manuscripts were on,
00:17:26.820 on Papari,
00:17:27.820 which deteriorates very quickly.
00:17:28.820 So,
00:17:29.820 we,
00:17:30.820 we're quite open.
00:17:31.820 We're quite open that we don't have,
00:17:32.820 um,
00:17:33.820 manuscripts from,
00:17:34.820 from the first two centuries.
00:17:35.820 in the first three centuries.
00:17:36.820 We're quite open,
00:17:37.820 that there are four,
00:17:38.820 four hundred thousand variances.
00:17:39.820 But we're quite happy,
00:17:40.820 we're quite happy,
00:17:41.820 with the difference between the text of Stratus,
00:17:42.820 which is used in the King James Bible,
00:17:44.820 and what we call the critical text,
00:17:46.820 which is used in the,
00:17:47.820 NIV,
00:17:48.820 or the English Standard Version,
00:17:49.820 as,
00:17:50.820 as examples.
00:17:51.820 We are aware of the differences,
00:17:52.820 we are the big differences,
00:17:53.820 like the end of,
00:17:54.820 uh, Mark,
00:17:55.820 we're aware of the missing one,
00:17:56.820 which is,
00:17:57.820 exactly,
00:17:58.820 exactly,
00:17:59.820 but,
00:18:00.820 nevertheless,
00:18:01.820 there is no,
00:18:02.820 difference in doctrine,
00:18:03.820 where you read the New Testament as a whole,
00:18:04.820 either from the text of Stratus,
00:18:06.820 or from the Bibles that we use today.
00:18:08.820 There's no,
00:18:09.820 there's no difference.
00:18:10.820 Okay, Patrick, Patrick.
00:18:11.820 You are confirming,
00:18:12.820 that for,
00:18:13.820 300 years later after Jesus,
00:18:15.820 Yes.
00:18:16.820 the New Testament start coming about.
00:18:17.820 Yes,
00:18:18.820 we've got the,
00:18:19.820 we've got the,
00:18:20.820 we've got the first management.
00:18:21.820 The first management.
00:18:22.820 We've got the first,
00:18:23.820 yeah.
00:18:24.820 As I know from,
00:18:25.820 I don't know how it is,
00:18:26.820 I think from the third century,
00:18:27.820 the New Testament you have,
00:18:29.820 is this big.
00:18:30.820 It doesn't really matter how,
00:18:31.820 how big it is.
00:18:32.820 This big.
00:18:33.820 Right.
00:18:34.820 From the New Testament,
00:18:35.820 from the first century,
00:18:36.820 that's the oldest,
00:18:37.820 original ones you've got.
00:18:38.820 This big.
00:18:39.820 And it's proven,
00:18:40.820 people know that.
00:18:41.820 Now,
00:18:42.820 you're saying there's variances.
00:18:43.820 Yeah.
00:18:44.820 Sorry,
00:18:45.820 just to go back a little.
00:18:46.820 When you say it's this big,
00:18:47.820 what do you mean by that?
00:18:48.820 The oldest,
00:18:49.820 newest,
00:18:50.820 New Testament.
00:18:51.820 In terms of,
00:18:52.820 the number of pages,
00:18:53.820 or?
00:18:54.820 Pages,
00:18:55.820 the original,
00:18:56.820 the latest you've got is that big.
00:18:57.820 Right?
00:18:58.820 Yes.
00:18:59.820 You've got variances.
00:19:00.820 Yes.
00:19:01.820 And you're still willing to believe that it's from God.
00:19:02.820 Absolutely.
00:19:03.820 Okay.
00:19:04.820 Now, from that on,
00:19:05.820 what I can say is,
00:19:06.820 I've done my bit.
00:19:07.820 Yes.
00:19:08.820 You're rejecting it.
00:19:09.820 Yes.
00:19:10.820 Not a problem.
00:19:11.820 Right?
00:19:12.820 Yeah.
00:19:13.820 So,
00:19:14.820 people,
00:19:15.820 show me a verse that's been added into the Qur'an,
00:19:16.820 or show me two books where it says,
00:19:17.820 look,
00:19:18.820 over here it says this,
00:19:19.820 in this Qur'an it says this.
00:19:20.820 If you cannot prove that,
00:19:21.820 you do not have a case.
00:19:22.820 You need to show to me,
00:19:23.820 look,
00:19:24.820 in the Qur'an,
00:19:25.820 in this chapter,
00:19:26.820 this verse,
00:19:27.820 this has been added in,
00:19:28.820 this is my evidence.
00:19:29.820 Do you have that?
00:19:30.820 I'm sorry.
00:19:31.820 Straight back to the point I made earlier.
00:19:32.820 Do you have the mushafs from the time of Kalefufman?
00:19:34.820 Yes.
00:19:35.820 Do you have the extent one?
00:19:36.820 Go for it.
00:19:37.820 Go for it.
00:19:40.820 And how many,
00:19:41.820 how many do you have?
00:19:42.820 How many do you have?
00:19:44.820 Let me show you.
00:19:45.820 From 1st,
00:19:46.820 from 2nd century Hydra,
00:19:47.820 Yes.
00:19:48.820 To the late 1st century Hydra,
00:19:49.820 to the beginning of 2nd century Hydra,
00:19:51.820 we have got,
00:19:52.820 in the Al Hussein Museum,
00:19:54.820 the entire Qur'an.
00:19:56.820 Right?
00:19:57.820 Yes.
00:20:03.820 That's there.
00:20:04.820 Yes.
00:20:05.820 Okay.
00:20:06.820 Yes, I'm looking at that.
00:20:07.820 From 1st century,
00:20:08.820 at the time of the Prophet Muhammad,
00:20:09.820 we have 85%.
00:20:10.820 Yes.
00:20:11.820 From 1st century,
00:20:12.820 repeat that, sorry.
00:20:13.820 Yes.
00:20:14.820 From the 1st century,
00:20:15.820 1st century,
00:20:16.820 we have 85%.
00:20:17.820 Okay.
00:20:18.820 Now.
00:20:19.820 What count was in the power of the time?
00:20:20.820 Just so we've got reference.
00:20:21.820 I'm not sure.
00:20:22.820 I mean,
00:20:23.820 the Ufman,
00:20:24.820 or was it afterwards?
00:20:25.820 No, no, no.
00:20:26.820 Ufman was,
00:20:27.820 after that.
00:20:28.820 I don't know why.
00:20:29.820 It's Abu Bakr maybe.
00:20:30.820 I'm not sure.
00:20:31.820 The thing with Qur'an is,
00:20:32.820 it's oral transmission.
00:20:33.820 Yes.
00:20:34.820 You can't go wrong.
00:20:35.820 Check this out.
00:20:36.820 Look, I've given you this example before.
00:20:37.820 Yes.
00:20:38.820 Right?
00:20:39.820 The time stable.
00:20:40.820 Yeah.
00:20:41.820 You know your time stable by heart?
00:20:42.820 I do.
00:20:43.820 Okay.
00:20:44.820 You guys all know your time stable by heart, yeah?
00:20:45.820 Yes.
00:20:46.820 I'm going to say something,
00:20:47.820 and I want you to correct me.
00:20:48.820 If I say,
00:20:49.820 3 times 3 is 20.
00:20:50.820 No, it's 9.
00:20:51.820 What is it?
00:20:52.820 It's 9.
00:20:53.820 It's 9.
00:20:54.820 What is it, bro?
00:20:55.820 9.
00:20:56.820 The time stable by heart,
00:20:57.820 would we ever go wrong?
00:20:58.820 No.
00:20:59.820 If I say, 3 times 3 is 520,
00:21:00.820 you'd say,
00:21:01.820 no, it's 9.
00:21:02.820 The Qur'an has been memorised.
00:21:03.820 Okay.
00:21:04.820 What's it?
00:21:05.820 Okay.
00:21:06.820 When we're in the Muslim, brother,
00:21:07.820 when the Imam,
00:21:08.820 decides something wrong,
00:21:09.820 you correct him.
00:21:10.820 Nothing.
00:21:11.820 The congregation.
00:21:12.820 The congregation.
00:21:13.820 So you can't go wrong.
00:21:14.820 It's impossible.
00:21:15.820 That's why we say,
00:21:16.820 if we threw all the scriptures into the sea today,
00:21:18.820 the Qur'an is the only one that will come back,
00:21:20.820 because it's been memorised by millions.
00:21:22.820 Okay.
00:21:23.820 You know what I'm trying to say?
00:21:24.820 And this point's been raised before,
00:21:26.820 but I've had sort of...
00:21:27.820 I've had sort of...
00:21:28.820 Then why do you reject it?
00:21:29.820 Because you've still got the variances.
00:21:31.820 What little units you have,
00:21:32.820 and I'm going to keep on coming back to the point.
00:21:34.820 This is the fourth point to keep on making.
00:21:36.820 You had an Islamic Caliphate
00:21:38.820 where you had cities and so forth
00:21:40.820 under Muslim control.
00:21:41.820 There were Muslim towns and Muslim cities.
00:21:43.820 Okay.
00:21:44.820 You had the Qur'an manuscripts
00:21:45.820 being written out on vellum.
00:21:46.820 Not papyrus,
00:21:47.820 which deteriorates really quickly.
00:21:49.820 So you're saying the Bible deteriorates?
00:21:50.820 I'm saying that the manuscripts
00:21:52.820 would deteriorate very quickly.
00:21:53.820 That's why...
00:21:54.820 Okay.
00:21:55.820 That's all.
00:21:56.820 That's clever.
00:21:57.820 That's good.
00:21:58.820 So, so, so...
00:21:59.820 I need to go back to a few points.
00:22:00.820 You've raised some important points.
00:22:02.820 You're going on about the oral tradition.
00:22:05.820 Yes.
00:22:06.820 And I've seen on YouTube,
00:22:07.820 you've got many sort of these Muslim
00:22:10.820 Quran reciters.
00:22:11.820 Yes.
00:22:12.820 And it's very impressive.
00:22:13.820 Yes.
00:22:14.820 However, that's...
00:22:15.820 Imagine how impressive that might be,
00:22:16.820 all that sort of oral sort of...
00:22:18.820 Transmission.
00:22:19.820 Transmission of the Qur'an may be.
00:22:21.820 You've still got to face up to the facts.
00:22:23.820 Though those early mushafs that you have with the Qur'an,
00:22:26.820 the early extant ones that you have in your possession,
00:22:28.820 there are, there are variances.
00:22:30.820 Now, I can't...
00:22:31.820 The next question is,
00:22:32.820 if you're asking me,
00:22:33.820 well, show me them.
00:22:34.820 How...
00:22:35.820 I would not be able to do that,
00:22:36.820 because I did not speak Arabic.
00:22:37.820 And it's important that...
00:22:38.820 I've not made claims that I can't sort of bolster.
00:22:40.820 No, you know when the Qur'an came?
00:22:41.820 There was poets of par excellence in the Arabic language.
00:22:45.820 There's a challenge in the Qur'an for those Arabs.
00:22:47.820 They say,
00:22:48.820 if you think this is not from your God,
00:22:50.820 Yes.
00:22:51.820 From Allah,
00:22:52.820 bring a verse or chapter...
00:22:53.820 I mean, bring a chapter like it.
00:22:55.820 Yeah.
00:22:56.820 Right?
00:22:57.820 So look, it's challenging the Arabs.
00:22:58.820 These guys were par excellence in the Arabic language.
00:23:00.820 And they couldn't beat the challenge.
00:23:01.820 Okay.
00:23:02.820 I mean, that's all well and good,
00:23:04.820 but it's a fairly...
00:23:05.820 Why do you reject it?
00:23:06.820 It's a fairly meaningless challenge.
00:23:07.820 Yeah.
00:23:08.820 You say what?
00:23:09.820 It's a fairly meaningless challenge.
00:23:10.820 What is it meaningless?
00:23:11.820 It's challenging you.
00:23:12.820 In what way?
00:23:13.820 It's telling you...
00:23:14.820 Yes.
00:23:15.820 It's a test.
00:23:16.820 Does the Bible come and say this?
00:23:17.820 If you think this is not from God,
00:23:18.820 bring a verse like it.
00:23:20.820 It's stepping up to you, Patrick.
00:23:21.820 It's saying, look, Patrick.
00:23:22.820 If you think this is not from God,
00:23:23.820 bring a verse like it.
00:23:25.820 It's stepping up to you, man.
00:23:26.820 It's telling you,
00:23:27.820 bring a verse like it.
00:23:28.820 So it's challenging you.
00:23:29.820 Look.
00:23:30.820 Come on, Patrick.
00:23:31.820 I want to look.
00:23:32.820 I want to quickly finish on with this.
00:23:33.820 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:34.820 Let's...
00:23:35.820 No, but let's...
00:23:36.820 Rather than coming out with...
00:23:37.820 You're bringing out information.
00:23:39.820 Keep it verbatim, basically.
00:23:41.820 Basically, I'm taking on board what you say,
00:23:43.820 and you know what I'm like...
00:23:44.820 Are you rejecting it?
00:23:45.820 Well, that's my right.
00:23:47.820 That's your right.
00:23:48.820 No, no, no.
00:23:49.820 That's my right.
00:23:50.820 I have every right and I'm saying publicly
00:23:51.820 I'm rejecting this.
00:23:52.820 Yeah, you can reject it.
00:23:53.820 No problem.
00:23:54.820 But believe me,
00:23:55.820 I'm giving the evidence.
00:23:56.820 You're saying reject...
00:23:57.820 It's like me saying,
00:23:58.820 No, it's right.
00:23:59.820 Okay.
00:24:00.820 That's what you're doing.
00:24:01.820 So, it's upon you.
00:24:02.820 I've conveyed the message.
00:24:03.820 Yes.
00:24:04.820 And I convey every time I come and see you.
00:24:05.820 But you're always rejected for something.
00:24:06.820 Can you give me some two things up?
00:24:07.820 You mentioned the Quranic challenge saying,
00:24:10.820 Bring me a verse.
00:24:11.820 Bring me a verse like this.
00:24:12.820 Yes.
00:24:13.820 What are you trying to show?
00:24:14.820 I mean, what are you...
00:24:15.820 Okay.
00:24:16.820 For example...
00:24:17.820 For example, in Arabic,
00:24:18.820 Yes.
00:24:19.820 The shortest chapter...
00:24:20.820 Yes.
00:24:21.820 I think...
00:24:22.820 I'm not sure...
00:24:23.820 I'm not sure...
00:24:24.820 Is it three...
00:24:25.820 Three...
00:24:26.820 Three verses.
00:24:27.820 Three verses.
00:24:28.820 Three verses.
00:24:29.820 Three verses, that's it.
00:24:30.820 Yeah.
00:24:31.820 It's only three verses long.
00:24:32.820 We are asking you, the Arabs, whoever speaks Arabs, whoever,
00:24:36.820 to make something similar to that.
00:24:38.820 Right?
00:24:39.820 If you can't, then...
00:24:41.820 Okay.
00:24:42.820 But what do you say makes something similar?
00:24:43.820 What do you mean?
00:24:44.820 Because, I mean, it's sort of...
00:24:45.820 Arabic language, you know the way it's written.
00:24:46.820 I can't...
00:24:47.820 I don't know in detail.
00:24:48.820 The way it's written, you mean, is...
00:24:49.820 It's not...
00:24:50.820 It's not...
00:24:51.820 You can't be doing that.
00:24:52.820 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:24:53.820 I understand what I'm trying to say.
00:24:54.820 The floor...
00:24:55.820 Why does Quran have to be...
00:24:56.820 Okay.
00:24:57.820 Why does Quran have to be Arabic?
00:24:58.820 Sorry?
00:24:59.820 Why does Quran have to be Arabic?
00:25:00.820 Why can it not...
00:25:01.820 Because, you know why?
00:25:02.820 Because it came to the Arabs.
00:25:03.820 At those times who were par excellence in Arabic language.
00:25:06.820 Because they were saying,
00:25:07.820 It's...
00:25:08.820 It's man written.
00:25:09.820 Look, not to you.
00:25:10.820 To those Arabs that were rejecting it.
00:25:12.820 Okay.
00:25:13.820 And he said,
00:25:14.820 Try to bring it like...
00:25:15.820 You guys are poems, yeah?
00:25:16.820 Yeah.
00:25:17.820 You know it all.
00:25:18.820 Yeah.
00:25:19.820 Try to make something like this.
00:25:20.820 Okay.
00:25:21.820 And if you can't, fear the fire.
00:25:22.820 Okay.
00:25:23.820 Fear the fire.
00:25:24.820 Okay.
00:25:25.820 I mean, what you said,
00:25:26.820 I mean, as always,
00:25:27.820 you've been very eloquent,
00:25:28.820 and you've pushed your case very hard.
00:25:29.820 I've got three sort of problems with this now.
00:25:32.820 Three challenges, basically.
00:25:33.820 But they're three quite strong challenges
00:25:34.820 why I reject this,
00:25:35.820 why I would invite you to reject this too.
00:25:37.820 But what I'll do is,
00:25:38.820 after I've said them,
00:25:39.820 rather than debating them now,
00:25:40.820 you can make a civil country challenge to me if you wish.
00:25:43.820 So, my three challenges are,
00:25:44.820 number one,
00:25:45.820 is the lack of manuscript evidence.
00:25:47.820 Considering the fact that, that, that, that Islam had con...
00:25:50.820 that Islamic religion has control...
00:25:51.820 No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:25:52.820 It's important.
00:25:53.820 You've been speaking for a bit.
00:25:54.820 So,
00:25:55.820 two,
00:25:56.820 the lack of manuscript evidence,
00:25:57.820 considering that Islam was in power,
00:25:59.820 during all those cities mentioned.
00:26:01.820 Number two,
00:26:02.820 why,
00:26:03.820 for the first,
00:26:04.820 I think it's a hundred,
00:26:05.820 maybe a hundred years,
00:26:06.820 I'll at least recheck my email,
00:26:08.820 why,
00:26:09.820 did all the quibblers,
00:26:10.820 of the mosque,
00:26:11.820 face towards Petra,
00:26:12.820 in Jordan,
00:26:13.820 as opposed to Mecca,
00:26:14.820 in Saudi Arabia,
00:26:15.820 towards the sea?
00:26:16.820 Three,
00:26:17.820 you've got no mention of Islam.
00:26:19.820 You've got no mention of Muhammad,
00:26:20.820 outside of Islam,
00:26:22.820 for quite some time,
00:26:23.820 after it supposedly started.
00:26:24.820 And that, to me,
00:26:25.820 is a bit of a mystery.
00:26:26.820 Because, with Christianity,
00:26:27.820 for instance,
00:26:28.820 you have people mentioning it,
00:26:29.820 quite early on,
00:26:30.820 after it happened.
00:26:31.820 Like who?
00:26:33.820 You've got Josephus,
00:26:35.820 you've got Pliny...
00:26:36.820 There is,
00:26:37.820 there is as many books against it,
00:26:39.820 there's,
00:26:40.820 there's as many books against it,
00:26:41.820 then there is foreign.
00:26:42.820 Now, the first...
00:26:43.820 What's your first criteria,
00:26:44.820 did you say?
00:26:45.820 What's your first...
00:26:46.820 My first...
00:26:47.820 What manuscripts?
00:26:48.820 First is,
00:26:49.820 the manuscript problems.
00:26:50.820 And I'll...
00:26:51.820 I'll continue...
00:26:52.820 I'll continue this option...
00:26:53.820 Let's start with the first one.
00:26:54.820 Let's start with the first one.
00:26:55.820 Okay.
00:26:56.820 No, no, no.
00:26:57.820 What I'm doing is,
00:26:58.820 I'm leaving you with these three challenges.
00:26:59.820 Okay.
00:27:00.820 Can you touch on the first one?
00:27:01.820 Yeah, sure.
00:27:02.820 Okay, no problem.
00:27:03.820 Patrick, you have got a problem
00:27:04.820 with our manuscripts.
00:27:05.820 Yes.
00:27:06.820 We've got all transmission.
00:27:07.820 Yes.
00:27:08.820 We've got 100% from the 1st century Hedra.
00:27:09.820 Yes.
00:27:10.820 But you don't have a problem
00:27:11.820 with your manuscripts,
00:27:12.820 where you do not have it from 3rd century Hedra.
00:27:14.820 I mean, the 3rd century.
00:27:15.820 Yes.
00:27:16.820 It looks like you're trying to shoot us,
00:27:18.820 but you've got a bazooka behind you.
00:27:19.820 Yes.
00:27:20.820 You don't...
00:27:21.820 From the 3rd century,
00:27:22.820 300 years later after Jesus,
00:27:23.820 you do not have nothing.
00:27:24.820 Okay.
00:27:25.820 You're happy with your Bible.
00:27:26.820 Yes.
00:27:27.820 But with our Qur'an,
00:27:28.820 we've got thousands,
00:27:29.820 thousands of transmissions.
00:27:30.820 You're saying,
00:27:31.820 look, I don't accept that.
00:27:32.820 How does that work?
00:27:33.820 Because you make claims,
00:27:34.820 you make claims that you can't support
00:27:35.820 for your own Qur'an.
00:27:36.820 We do not claim...
00:27:37.820 Oh, no, no, no.
00:27:38.820 We do not claim that the Bible is eternal.
00:27:40.820 We claim that Jesus is eternal.
00:27:42.820 He is the word that has always been with God,
00:27:44.820 and was God who became flesh.
00:27:45.820 And that's the first...
00:27:46.820 According to the Bible, not Jesus.
00:27:47.820 According to John.
00:27:48.820 Not Jesus.
00:27:49.820 You see?
00:27:50.820 He was one of his disciples.
00:27:51.820 Yeah.
00:27:52.820 When it comes to Ufman,
00:27:53.820 Yes.
00:27:54.820 Yeah, the Caliph Ufman,
00:27:55.820 he was a disciple of the Prophet Muhammad.
00:27:56.820 Oh, by the way, sorry.
00:27:57.820 By the way, the other thing is,
00:27:58.820 you claim that the Qur'an is eternal as well.
00:27:59.820 Sorry?
00:28:00.820 You claim that the Qur'an is eternal,
00:28:01.820 or at least it's written on the
00:28:02.820 imperishable tablets.
00:28:05.820 You were in control of these areas from very early on.
00:28:10.820 Dying.
00:28:11.820 You guys dying?
00:28:12.820 Yeah.
00:28:13.820 No, no, no, no.
00:28:14.820 Like I said, look.
00:28:15.820 I'll finish it, yeah.
00:28:16.820 I want to look.
00:28:17.820 I just want to see this.
00:28:18.820 Have you read this book?
00:28:19.820 Who's by?
00:28:20.820 Bart Ehrman.
00:28:21.820 He's the guy who has done the Doctonist's heresy,
00:28:23.820 doesn't he?
00:28:24.820 He's the guy who left Christianity.
00:28:26.820 Yes.
00:28:27.820 He's quoting Jesus.
00:28:28.820 Oh, hang on.
00:28:29.820 Sorry, I'll run away.
00:28:30.820 Don't mind.
00:28:31.820 So, er...
00:28:32.820 He knew the Greek language by heart.
00:28:34.820 Yes.
00:28:35.820 Right?
00:28:36.820 He studied the Bible,
00:28:37.820 and he's saying,
00:28:38.820 you guys do not have a copy of a copy of the Bible.
00:28:40.820 This is correct.
00:28:41.820 Can I show you this?
00:28:42.820 Can I show you this?
00:28:43.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:44.820 Okay, I'm going to read it back.
00:28:45.820 Here comes three points.
00:28:46.820 First of all,
00:28:47.820 he mentions the King James Bible.
00:28:49.820 Yes.
00:28:50.820 It's based on a corrupted, inferior manuscript.
00:28:51.820 Yes.
00:28:52.820 That in many cases,
00:28:53.820 do not accurately represent the meaning of the original text.
00:28:56.820 Okay, yes.
00:28:57.820 Well, first of all,
00:28:58.820 I can point out this is nonsense.
00:28:59.820 The King James Bible
00:29:00.820 is based on the Textus Receptus.
00:29:02.820 These are manuscripts
00:29:03.820 which have come very late
00:29:04.820 in the manuscript tradition of the New Testaments.
00:29:06.820 And therefore,
00:29:07.820 we have better ones to use.
00:29:09.820 And I absolutely agree with you,
00:29:10.820 for instance.
00:29:11.820 No, no, no, no.
00:29:12.820 The back of the book,
00:29:13.820 for instance,
00:29:14.820 you have the Gospel of Mark.
00:29:15.820 In the Textus Receptus,
00:29:17.820 you go on from chapter 19,
00:29:19.820 verses 16 to 20.
00:29:20.820 Now, most early manuscripts,
00:29:22.820 stop at verse 15 of chapter 19.
00:29:25.820 Well, it might be 20.
00:29:26.820 You'll have to double-check.
00:29:27.820 We Christians are aware of that.
00:29:29.820 But no doctrine is changed as a result of that.
00:29:32.820 You can refer to John.
00:29:34.820 You can refer to the story about the adulterous woman.
00:29:36.820 About just forgiving her.
00:29:38.820 Again.
00:29:39.820 That's not found in the earliest manuscripts.
00:29:41.820 But Patrick, he's been changed.
00:29:42.820 That's not the reason that Bart Ehrman left Christianity.
00:29:45.820 Because he's saying there has been errors.
00:29:47.820 Wait, he's a fool.
00:29:48.820 He's a fool, my brother.
00:29:49.820 Why is he a fool?
00:29:50.820 No, no, no.
00:29:52.820 He's a fool, my brother.
00:29:53.820 No, no, no.
00:29:54.820 He's a fool, my brother.
00:29:55.820 No, no, no.
00:29:56.820 He's a fool, my brother.
00:29:57.820 No, I do not speak Greek.
00:29:58.820 This guy studied Greek language.
00:29:59.820 He looked into old manuscripts.
00:30:00.820 Yes.
00:30:01.820 And he's saying,
00:30:02.820 I studied it.
00:30:03.820 He's wrote in a book.
00:30:04.820 And he became an atheist.
00:30:05.820 I will say for the third time,
00:30:07.820 he's a fool.
00:30:08.820 If that is a reason,
00:30:09.820 falling away from Christianity.
00:30:10.820 No, no, no.
00:30:11.820 You know why he's not a fool?
00:30:12.820 He stepped it up.
00:30:13.820 He said, you know what?
00:30:14.820 There's errors,
00:30:15.820 and I see the errors,
00:30:16.820 and I do not believe it's from God.
00:30:17.820 Whereas you, you say,
00:30:18.820 there is errors,
00:30:19.820 but I'm blind for it.
00:30:20.820 I'm going to follow it blindly.
00:30:21.820 What's your reverse trend?
00:30:23.820 Is it Paul?
00:30:24.820 Yeah, Paul, yeah.
00:30:25.820 Yes.
00:30:26.820 He left Christianity,
00:30:27.820 vaguely the same reasons as he did.
00:30:29.820 He's done a good reason.
00:30:31.820 He's twice a fool.
00:30:32.820 He is twice a fool.
00:30:33.820 Why?
00:30:34.820 He's walked away from Christianity,
00:30:35.820 and he's walked into Islam.
00:30:37.820 Okay, Patrick.
00:30:38.820 Patrick, Patrick.
00:30:39.820 And you face worse problems.
00:30:40.820 Paul, Paul.
00:30:41.820 No, no, no.
00:30:42.820 What worse problems?
00:30:43.820 We are following Jesus more.
00:30:44.820 Myself,
00:30:45.820 I look into Christianity,
00:30:46.820 the reason I went to Islam is...
00:30:47.820 We are open, brother.
00:30:48.820 We are open for any person
00:30:49.820 to seek our manuscripts.
00:30:50.820 Paul, you're saying this.
00:30:51.820 We are open.
00:30:52.820 Patrick, Patrick.
00:30:53.820 Patrick, you're like,
00:30:54.820 Patrick, you're like,
00:30:55.820 we have errors,
00:30:56.820 we know it,
00:30:57.820 but we still follow the Bible.
00:30:59.820 How does that work?
00:31:00.820 You're saying it's good for errors.
00:31:01.820 Oh, Ali, brother.
00:31:02.820 Whereas Paul and Bart Ehrman are saying,
00:31:04.820 we saw the errors,
00:31:06.820 and we are leaving Christianity.
00:31:07.820 Ali should be a politician.
00:31:08.820 Ali should be a lawyer.
00:31:09.820 He is absolutely wrong with me.
00:31:10.820 He is so eloquent.
00:31:11.820 Patrick?
00:31:12.820 Any Muslim scholars?
00:31:13.820 No.
00:31:14.820 No.
00:31:15.820 No.
00:31:16.820 Patrick.
00:31:17.820 Sorry, where are we?
00:31:18.820 No, look, I've done my bit.
00:31:19.820 You've done your bits?
00:31:20.820 Do you think two people
00:31:21.820 leaving Christianity
00:31:22.820 because they found errors are a fool?
00:31:23.820 Yes.
00:31:24.820 But you're saying,
00:31:25.820 I know there's errors,
00:31:26.820 but I'm following blindly.
00:31:27.820 I can't say nothing else.
00:31:28.820 Ali, brother,
00:31:29.820 I love you.
00:31:30.820 God bless.
00:31:31.820 I love you too, my friend.