Dawah to Ex ＂muslim＂ Missionary
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In this episode, we discuss the issue of whether or not the Quran and the Bible is from God. Is it a matter of opinion or is it based on the direct words of God? Is there any contradiction between the quran and the bible?
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yes yes okay this is what you've claimed yeah what i think what god has said the parator has
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claimed okay now do you believe this book is from god yes i do okay now do you believe the quran is
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from god no the quran is not from god it's not from god okay the issue i come down to is this
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if you claim that this bible is from god it needs to out like go through some certain uh
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uh things criteria to claim that is from god so would you say this book has errors in it
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no this what the word of god has no errors it is the word of god is rightly divided
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and inspired word of god in second timothy chapter 3 verse 15 16 and 17 verse okay i 100 agree with
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you except the timothy bit the the word of god would it ever have any contradictions the quran
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and the bible i'm talking about no the word of god will not have any contradictions the word of god
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would it have any verses added and not taken out no it would not have any verses taken okay can we
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put these to the test with the quran and bible yes if you want to yes okay can we open john 753
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please i'll hold i'll hold the quran for you if you want so we can help each other
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there's not 53 it's 52. okay okay okay there there is okay now do you know that this verse has been
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added in later and that it's not in the old manuscripts which verse john 753 to 811 well
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where's the verse that's that's what i'm saying look john 53 and everyone went to his own house
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to 811 yeah in most of the bibles they will have a footnote saying you saying to you that these verses
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are not in the old manuscripts was you aware of that so are you saying basically you're saying about
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the woman who was commit adulteress yes i think that's in mark uh 16 verse 9 to 20 but this is
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john 753 where it says these verses have been added in okay yes all right now this is clear most people
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know this maybe you're not aware you can go home and do your research yeah is there any verse added
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or taken out in the quran uh yes you have in can you show me please in the quran in surah to baqarah
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chapter 2 verse 109 i believe okay okay can you believe yeah okay leave it what your the word the
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word of kalam allah says okay because remember we must go what not a matter of opinion or what people
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think we must go by the direct words of god okay can you show me where in the footnote that it says to
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us muslims in our quran that these verses have been added in they were not in the old manuscripts okay verse
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all right yes sorry okay yeah okay okay whatever a verse revelation do we abrogate
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or cause to be forgotten we bring a better one similar to it and know you not that allah is able
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okay he has power to do all things okay so this is yes in the quran surah to baqarah chapter 2
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i-106 i was looking for okay that was crafty it is the law of abrogation which you have in your
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quran okay also in the quran in surah to nahal yes chapter 16 i believe it's ayat 101 or 101 talks
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about if this quran oh muhammad if it has any errors of vocation they will call you al-muqtif
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a liar and a forja okay so that's two evidence within the quran showing there is an abrogation
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within the quran itself and also that muhammad is called a muftif in arabic a forja and a liar
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because because he was the um the pagan arabs are asking what book has what have you or wahi
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okay come to show us okay and he said if you would believe yes do you know what an abrogation is so
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guys as you can see our dear friend has brought up the matter of abrogation but what he's failing to
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understand is that i'm saying there's verses added in and taken out and this has been confirmed by the
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highest by the christian scholars of the highest denominations which have accepted this that these
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verses have been added and taken out now what he's saying is that the same has happened in the quran
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with abrogation i'm like no there's a difference and let me tell you how in the quran there is three
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types of abrogation the first one is the wording is still in the quran but the meaning is not there
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anymore the second one is that the meaning still exists but the wording has been taken out now the
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third one is both the meaning and the wording has been taken out by who not by men not by the prophet
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peace be upon him but by the author which is god almighty allah subhanahu wa ta'ala he is the one
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that's taking uh putting words in and taking out as he knows best so the difference with the quran and
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the bible is this because with the bible it's men men are coming and changing it as they sue and then as
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they please but here it's the author that's actually changing it so this is what the difference is and
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this is what our friend is not understanding so if i will do this little short clip which i'll
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insert in the video which will clarify the matter and make you guys understand and inshallah the
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viewers uh to understand better so let's carry on with the debate inshallah abrogation means to
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it's being taken out so no no no for example you know alcohol you know first they would say don't come
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to uh pray out drunk yeah then it was totally uh dismissed yeah i'm asking you very simply and
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very clearly and i'm sorry if i didn't uh make it clear that a verse has been added in or taken
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out like you can come and say to me look this verse in surah nur chapter uh 24 verse 2 has actually
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been added in and it's been found by your scholars your muslim scholars as being not there in the old
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manuscripts and i will put my hands up and say you know what you're right but right now what you're
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doing is it's like you're giving me a tafsir of the quran i'm asking you i'm asking you what has been
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added in and what has been taken out the way i showed you in your bible this bible john 7 5 3 to
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8 11 and mark 16 verse 9 to 20 has been clearly by your christian scholars of the highest denomination
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this verses are being added in i'm asking the same from you nothing else all right well we must remember
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i will say to you i am i am a seven day adventist okay and difference between the other christians
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yes that they will not follow what god has sent down yes so that is their interpretation like you
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have sunni shia and different scholars in your sex okay so as i'm saying the word of god is inspired
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word of god which is cannot be changed cannot be corrupted yes god has given us perfect laws perfect
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status perfect judgments and all this and everything within scripture i respect that but what i'm saying is
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you're talking about sunni shia ahmedi whatever yeah i'm asking you the idea of christians christians they
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talk about christians because i asked you what okay no no no no but i don't know no no what i'm
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saying to you is these look look these people who have gone and checked yeah these we're not talking
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about he said the camera's there if you want the camera what i'm saying to you is this i'm not
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talking about sex like you're you're 70 eventers yeah there's the uh you have the protestants the
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catholics yeah yes all in all it's not it's not like catholics are saying no the verse has been added
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in and then you're coming and saying no it's not been added in i'm seeing people who know the manuscript
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are saying they're not there man we've looked they're saying we looked but john 7 53 is not
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there so we have to let and inform the christians that these verses are added in it doesn't matter
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if you're protestant catholic whatever you believe it doesn't matter the issue is they are telling we
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have checked done history check the uh uh manuscripts and we can't find these verses however
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on these on the new the new bibles that you have is there so they have decided to inform you and all of
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us with many bibles that it says these verses have been added in now you couldn't do the same with
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the quran you couldn't right do we have millions of people that know the quran by heart some understand
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some doesn't understand but do we have millions of people that know the quran by heart little kids
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yes you do you do okay i want to give you an analogy if you know the timetable by heart yeah
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three times three ten times ten twelve times twelve yeah my friend over here comes and says to you three
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times three is 75 is that is that right what's three times three nine nine yeah so if there's
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ten of us and we know the timetable by heart do we correct him yes you would if we correct him can
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anybody come and change the quran where it's been memorized by millions where just the way we know the
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timetable if he comes says nine three times three is 75 we'll say hold on a second mate is three times
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three seventy five no it's three times sense what is it three times three is is nine so we correct
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him just the way where we pray and the iman says something wrong what do we do we correct him can we
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ever go wrong if we have this principle can we ever go wrong with memorization if we have the principle
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of we all know the timetable no matter who comes and says three times three thousand we say my friend
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you've lost the floor is three times three is nine we correct him would we ever go wrong no ah now we
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have that with the quran which is this is the reason why so today that is the only scripture that we have
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compiled now what i'm saying to you is this we failed the test in the bible that the verses have been
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added in and taken out it's been it's happened with the quran we gave you time we gave you maybe five
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minutes you didn't do it now i want to move on now you need to understand this my friend yeah we agreed on
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that we put the quran and the bible to the test bible failed the first one the verses have been
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added in when it comes to contradictions the word of god has not failed the word of god has always
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been remaining there it's been there since the time of creation who revealed john 753 then if it
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was in the old manuscripts i told you before there was no john 753 yeah there wasn't that's what i'm
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saying who added it in there if it's from god who added in john 753 i don't know who added in there
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now as an honest person because jesus says seek the truth and the truth shall set you free yes of course yes
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okay as a person if you're truthful do you understand the context of the scripture do you
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have to look at the context of the scripture but for me for me to take this scripture as reliable
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it has to withstand and prove to me that it's from god yes but for so far it hasn't done that so i
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can't rely on it do you get it if i give you a glass of water and have put a bit of poison in that
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you're going to drink that no you won't unless you want to prove like in the matthew it says if you
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have the holy spirit you can drink poison apart from that you wouldn't do it yeah now can i show you
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the contradiction in the bible can you open um um second samuel chapter 24 verse 1 okay and again
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the anger of the lord was kindled against israel and he moved he moved david against them to say go
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number israel and judah for the kings the king said to joab the captain of the host and which was with
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him go now through all the tribes of israel from dan and even to besheba and number ye the people
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the high may know the number of people okay he moved david against them to say go and number israel
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and judah for the king god said it yeah yes god said it but if you go to uh first chronicles i think
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in chapter 2 verse 21 okay it says satan did okay first go there first chronicles okay and satan stood
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up against israel and provoked david to number israel okay now in first samuel who was it was it god or
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satan in first samuel because the lord was lord which is god god yes okay who incited david in first
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chronicles satan there satan okay is it god or satan it was satan there yeah satan's here but was it god it
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says god in samuel god in samuel yes and also is it is also satan there but god no of course it's
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the word of the lord and the word of the word of the lord stands so whatever what god said it is what
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the word of god is what is saying what it is saying it says here satan and over in samuel it says god
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that's my problem do you get it that is a clear-cut contradiction that's like me saying your jacket
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is black and white at the same time can you open john 3 16 please
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okay the was the word begotten taken out or not no the word was because it was there in the
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scriptures okay okay okay in psalms in king's james version the word begotten is there but in your
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version most likely what version do you have this king james oh this king james you will have it in
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here but if i bring a new international version the word begotten is not there anymore okay why
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i don't know why okay now that is a problem yeah do you get it so is there any contradictions in this
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book yes can you show me one please that's okay okay
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and when we change a verse of the quran ah and when we change a verse of the quran in place of another
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and allah knows best that he sends down they the disbelievers say oh you oh muhammad are a muftif
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forger liar name most of them know not okay how is that contradiction we have a verse in surah
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describing that and when a verse is saying verse ayat revelation signs evidence teachings and so and so
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forth yeah when we change them change of the quran in a place of another so okay what does that mean
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like the alcohol i'll give you the example of the alcohol yeah don't don't come to prayer while
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you're drunk and then it got abrogated and they said don't get drunk at all yes but allah now is
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saying he's changing yes giving something better thereof and that goes back again to surah bakara
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chapter 2 106 about the law abrogation which is abrogates the verse and takes it out therein and
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therein can i say something yes if this is from god can god do whatever he likes to his scripture of
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course god can do that okay okay yeah so if it's from god yeah okay now if that's from god he's
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talking about for example like i said the alcohol you can change and say you know what first don't
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come near salah while you're drunk now you can completely you shouldn't drink alcohol that's
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abrogation i'm asking for a contradiction where it says blue here and then it says the same thing is
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white that's what i'm looking for we're talking about the quran where where is the contradiction though
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okay i'll show you just show me just say to me look in surah nur it says black in surah murk it
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says white so i can say okay you're right there's a contradiction i need a clear-cut contradiction
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well you need to look for it for yourself my friend but no no but the thing is the first
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i've given you two evidence on the quran no no you haven't you said i gave me your surah
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you said god can change and i said it's god he can change of course he can change if he says first
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don't drink one glass of alcohol yeah okay then he abrogates it you know that alcohol is not good
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for you anyway but but listen that's the wisdom of god he's asking it do you get it there's no
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contradiction if i say to you for example look you're drinking alcohol cut it down drink once
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once one cup a day you're gonna say okay after that when i see your progress i'm gonna say now
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you're ready to cut it there's no contradiction it's your progress and me helping you with that
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okay yeah so i want a clear-cut contradiction because we have three criteria verses should
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not be added in no contradictions the quran has passed both but the bible has failed both
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this book is saying if you have doubt that it's not from god bring a chapter like it come forward
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okay where's your chapter well then you say the smallest chapter look not even the big ones the
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smallest well you said then there's a two there's two things first it to bring the chapter but then
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it says bring multiple chapters in the quran so wait is it one chapter the quran says bring one
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chapter or is it multiple chapters because when allah says bring multiple he saw that you guys
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couldn't do that he said let me make it easy for you bring one chapter so can i ask for that one
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chapter please because we're making it easy for you first allah said look bring mini now he's
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saying look you're having a hard time no no no one second okay before you start preaching
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before you start preaching before you start preaching you need to bring that chapter look
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this is a challenge for you i'm asking you clearly can you read this this one it's john 7 53
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that your bible doesn't have okay can you read it for me this is this is this is can you read
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it for me please why this is not but why why are you afraid no it's not the bible can i read it for
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you it's not the bible can i read it for you okay he says this is this is this is john 753 okay the
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earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have john 753 and 8 11. yeah all right who made
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this mistake god or the men but it's not god does not make any mistake okay why where did this verse
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come from where did this verse come from yeah i don't know you put it up on your phone no no no this
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is your this is your christian scholars this is this is your this is your this is your man i told you
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before okay can you show me okay no no no no that's being around the bush right show me a verse
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show me a verse where it says in the quran yeah this verse in baqarah has been added in later it's not in the
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old manuscript just one just one just one one just one show me show me the footnote show me the
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show me the footnotes okay can you show me the footnote that says that verse has been added in
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or taken out the verse is here my friend can you show me the okay can you show me the footnote
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just as i have a footnote in your bible yeah where it says this verse has been added in i just gave it
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you already no no no no you read advance to me you read a verse to me it's like me reading john 753
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where it says this verse has been added and not taken out.
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A footnote tells you something about the verse, yes?
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No, where it says that verse has been added and not taken out.
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You're claiming the word of the Bible is from God.
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And I'm saying this man did a better job than your God