Ali Dawah - Dawah to Ex ＂muslim＂ Missionary

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00:00:00.840 You're basically saying

00:00:28.220 Now, this is from God

00:00:29.980 yes yes okay this is what you've claimed yeah what i think what god has said the parator has

00:00:34.780 claimed okay now do you believe this book is from god yes i do okay now do you believe the quran is

00:00:42.780 from god no the quran is not from god it's not from god okay the issue i come down to is this

00:00:48.540 if you claim that this bible is from god it needs to out like go through some certain uh

00:00:54.460 uh things criteria to claim that is from god so would you say this book has errors in it

00:01:00.940 no this what the word of god has no errors it is the word of god is rightly divided

00:01:05.020 and inspired word of god in second timothy chapter 3 verse 15 16 and 17 verse okay i 100 agree with

00:01:11.500 you except the timothy bit the the word of god would it ever have any contradictions the quran

00:01:15.820 and the bible i'm talking about no the word of god will not have any contradictions the word of god

00:01:19.180 would it have any verses added and not taken out no it would not have any verses taken okay can we

00:01:23.900 put these to the test with the quran and bible yes if you want to yes okay can we open john 753

00:01:30.220 please i'll hold i'll hold the quran for you if you want so we can help each other

00:01:37.740 and the scripture read it

00:01:43.180 there's not 53 it's 52. okay okay okay there there is okay now do you know that this verse has been

00:01:50.140 added in later and that it's not in the old manuscripts which verse john 753 to 811 well

00:01:55.740 where's the verse that's that's what i'm saying look john 53 and everyone went to his own house

00:02:02.300 to 811 yeah in most of the bibles they will have a footnote saying you saying to you that these verses

00:02:08.460 are not in the old manuscripts was you aware of that so are you saying basically you're saying about

00:02:13.420 the woman who was commit adulteress yes i think that's in mark uh 16 verse 9 to 20 but this is

00:02:18.220 john 753 where it says these verses have been added in okay yes all right now this is clear most people

00:02:24.140 know this maybe you're not aware you can go home and do your research yeah is there any verse added

00:02:28.540 or taken out in the quran uh yes you have in can you show me please in the quran in surah to baqarah

00:02:34.300 chapter 2 verse 109 i believe okay okay can you believe yeah okay leave it what your the word the

00:02:41.180 word of kalam allah says okay because remember we must go what not a matter of opinion or what people

00:02:46.060 think we must go by the direct words of god okay can you show me where in the footnote that it says to

00:02:52.700 us muslims in our quran that these verses have been added in they were not in the old manuscripts okay verse

00:03:04.300 all right yes sorry okay yeah okay okay whatever a verse revelation do we abrogate

00:03:15.500 or cause to be forgotten we bring a better one similar to it and know you not that allah is able

00:03:25.580 okay he has power to do all things okay so this is yes in the quran surah to baqarah chapter 2

00:03:31.020 i-106 i was looking for okay that was crafty it is the law of abrogation which you have in your

00:03:36.940 quran okay also in the quran in surah to nahal yes chapter 16 i believe it's ayat 101 or 101 talks

00:03:44.380 about if this quran oh muhammad if it has any errors of vocation they will call you al-muqtif

00:03:51.340 a liar and a forja okay so that's two evidence within the quran showing there is an abrogation 0.99

00:03:56.620 within the quran itself and also that muhammad is called a muftif in arabic a forja and a liar

00:04:02.540 because because he was the um the pagan arabs are asking what book has what have you or wahi

00:04:09.020 okay come to show us okay and he said if you would believe yes do you know what an abrogation is so

00:04:13.580 guys as you can see our dear friend has brought up the matter of abrogation but what he's failing to

00:04:18.620 understand is that i'm saying there's verses added in and taken out and this has been confirmed by the

00:04:23.020 highest by the christian scholars of the highest denominations which have accepted this that these

00:04:27.500 verses have been added and taken out now what he's saying is that the same has happened in the quran

00:04:32.300 with abrogation i'm like no there's a difference and let me tell you how in the quran there is three

00:04:36.700 types of abrogation the first one is the wording is still in the quran but the meaning is not there

00:04:43.500 anymore the second one is that the meaning still exists but the wording has been taken out now the

00:04:49.900 third one is both the meaning and the wording has been taken out by who not by men not by the prophet

00:04:56.620 peace be upon him but by the author which is god almighty allah subhanahu wa ta'ala he is the one

00:05:01.260 that's taking uh putting words in and taking out as he knows best so the difference with the quran and

00:05:07.660 the bible is this because with the bible it's men men are coming and changing it as they sue and then as

00:05:12.460 they please but here it's the author that's actually changing it so this is what the difference is and

00:05:17.580 this is what our friend is not understanding so if i will do this little short clip which i'll

00:05:21.580 insert in the video which will clarify the matter and make you guys understand and inshallah the

00:05:27.180 viewers uh to understand better so let's carry on with the debate inshallah abrogation means to

00:05:32.620 it's being taken out so no no no for example you know alcohol you know first they would say don't come

00:05:38.060 to uh pray out drunk yeah then it was totally uh dismissed yeah i'm asking you very simply and

00:05:44.460 very clearly and i'm sorry if i didn't uh make it clear that a verse has been added in or taken

00:05:50.540 out like you can come and say to me look this verse in surah nur chapter uh 24 verse 2 has actually

00:05:56.860 been added in and it's been found by your scholars your muslim scholars as being not there in the old

00:06:02.060 manuscripts and i will put my hands up and say you know what you're right but right now what you're

00:06:05.580 doing is it's like you're giving me a tafsir of the quran i'm asking you i'm asking you what has been

00:06:10.460 added in and what has been taken out the way i showed you in your bible this bible john 7 5 3 to

00:06:16.460 8 11 and mark 16 verse 9 to 20 has been clearly by your christian scholars of the highest denomination

00:06:22.060 this verses are being added in i'm asking the same from you nothing else all right well we must remember

00:06:27.100 i will say to you i am i am a seven day adventist okay and difference between the other christians

00:06:34.460 yes that they will not follow what god has sent down yes so that is their interpretation like you

00:06:39.740 have sunni shia and different scholars in your sex okay so as i'm saying the word of god is inspired

00:06:46.060 word of god which is cannot be changed cannot be corrupted yes god has given us perfect laws perfect

00:06:51.420 status perfect judgments and all this and everything within scripture i respect that but what i'm saying is

00:06:56.940 you're talking about sunni shia ahmedi whatever yeah i'm asking you the idea of christians christians they

00:07:02.380 talk about christians because i asked you what okay no no no no but i don't know no no what i'm

00:07:05.740 saying to you is these look look these people who have gone and checked yeah these we're not talking

00:07:11.500 about he said the camera's there if you want the camera what i'm saying to you is this i'm not

00:07:16.860 talking about sex like you're you're 70 eventers yeah there's the uh you have the protestants the

00:07:20.860 catholics yeah yes all in all it's not it's not like catholics are saying no the verse has been added

00:07:26.460 in and then you're coming and saying no it's not been added in i'm seeing people who know the manuscript

00:07:30.700 are saying they're not there man we've looked they're saying we looked but john 7 53 is not

00:07:35.660 there so we have to let and inform the christians that these verses are added in it doesn't matter

00:07:40.540 if you're protestant catholic whatever you believe it doesn't matter the issue is they are telling we

00:07:45.500 have checked done history check the uh uh manuscripts and we can't find these verses however

00:07:51.180 on these on the new the new bibles that you have is there so they have decided to inform you and all of

00:07:56.700 us with many bibles that it says these verses have been added in now you couldn't do the same with

00:08:01.980 the quran you couldn't right do we have millions of people that know the quran by heart some understand

00:08:07.740 some doesn't understand but do we have millions of people that know the quran by heart little kids

00:08:11.660 yes you do you do okay i want to give you an analogy if you know the timetable by heart yeah

00:08:17.500 three times three ten times ten twelve times twelve yeah my friend over here comes and says to you three

00:08:22.220 times three is 75 is that is that right what's three times three nine nine yeah so if there's

00:08:31.260 ten of us and we know the timetable by heart do we correct him yes you would if we correct him can

00:08:37.100 anybody come and change the quran where it's been memorized by millions where just the way we know the

00:08:41.740 timetable if he comes says nine three times three is 75 we'll say hold on a second mate is three times

00:08:47.980 three seventy five no it's three times sense what is it three times three is is nine so we correct

00:08:54.700 him just the way where we pray and the iman says something wrong what do we do we correct him can we

00:09:00.620 ever go wrong if we have this principle can we ever go wrong with memorization if we have the principle

00:09:06.380 of we all know the timetable no matter who comes and says three times three thousand we say my friend

00:09:11.580 you've lost the floor is three times three is nine we correct him would we ever go wrong no ah now we

00:09:17.900 have that with the quran which is this is the reason why so today that is the only scripture that we have

00:09:22.140 compiled now what i'm saying to you is this we failed the test in the bible that the verses have been

00:09:28.380 added in and taken out it's been it's happened with the quran we gave you time we gave you maybe five

00:09:34.060 minutes you didn't do it now i want to move on now you need to understand this my friend yeah we agreed on

00:09:39.580 that we put the quran and the bible to the test bible failed the first one the verses have been

00:09:43.580 added in when it comes to contradictions the word of god has not failed the word of god has always

00:09:47.180 been remaining there it's been there since the time of creation who revealed john 753 then if it

00:09:51.740 was in the old manuscripts i told you before there was no john 753 yeah there wasn't that's what i'm

00:09:56.380 saying who added it in there if it's from god who added in john 753 i don't know who added in there

00:10:03.820 now as an honest person because jesus says seek the truth and the truth shall set you free yes of course yes

00:10:07.900 okay as a person if you're truthful do you understand the context of the scripture do you

00:10:12.140 have to look at the context of the scripture but for me for me to take this scripture as reliable

00:10:17.260 it has to withstand and prove to me that it's from god yes but for so far it hasn't done that so i

00:10:22.140 can't rely on it do you get it if i give you a glass of water and have put a bit of poison in that

00:10:26.700 you're going to drink that no you won't unless you want to prove like in the matthew it says if you

00:10:31.580 have the holy spirit you can drink poison apart from that you wouldn't do it yeah now can i show you

00:10:36.300 the contradiction in the bible can you open um um second samuel chapter 24 verse 1 okay and again

00:10:47.500 the anger of the lord was kindled against israel and he moved he moved david against them to say go

00:10:56.060 number israel and judah for the kings the king said to joab the captain of the host and which was with

00:11:03.420 him go now through all the tribes of israel from dan and even to besheba and number ye the people

00:11:12.140 the high may know the number of people okay he moved david against them to say go and number israel

00:11:19.740 and judah for the king god said it yeah yes god said it but if you go to uh first chronicles i think

00:11:24.700 in chapter 2 verse 21 okay it says satan did okay first go there first chronicles okay and satan stood

00:11:32.620 up against israel and provoked david to number israel okay now in first samuel who was it was it god or

00:11:38.700 satan in first samuel because the lord was lord which is god god yes okay who incited david in first

00:11:45.260 chronicles satan there satan okay is it god or satan it was satan there yeah satan's here but was it god it

00:11:53.020 says god in samuel god in samuel yes and also is it is also satan there but god no of course it's

00:11:59.580 the word of the lord and the word of the word of the lord stands so whatever what god said it is what

00:12:04.060 the word of god is what is saying what it is saying it says here satan and over in samuel it says god

00:12:10.300 that's my problem do you get it that is a clear-cut contradiction that's like me saying your jacket

00:12:13.980 is black and white at the same time can you open john 3 16 please

00:12:16.940 okay the was the word begotten taken out or not no the word was because it was there in the

00:12:25.340 scriptures okay okay okay in psalms in king's james version the word begotten is there but in your

00:12:30.780 version most likely what version do you have this king james oh this king james you will have it in

00:12:34.460 here but if i bring a new international version the word begotten is not there anymore okay why

00:12:38.380 i don't know why okay now that is a problem yeah do you get it so is there any contradictions in this

00:12:47.500 book yes can you show me one please that's okay okay

00:12:55.900 and when we change a verse of the quran ah and when we change a verse of the quran in place of another

00:13:03.180 and allah knows best that he sends down they the disbelievers say oh you oh muhammad are a muftif

00:13:10.620 forger liar name most of them know not okay how is that contradiction we have a verse in surah

00:13:17.100 describing that and when a verse is saying verse ayat revelation signs evidence teachings and so and so

00:13:23.980 forth yeah when we change them change of the quran in a place of another so okay what does that mean

00:13:28.700 like the alcohol i'll give you the example of the alcohol yeah don't don't come to prayer while

00:13:32.780 you're drunk and then it got abrogated and they said don't get drunk at all yes but allah now is

00:13:37.260 saying he's changing yes giving something better thereof and that goes back again to surah bakara

00:13:42.860 chapter 2 106 about the law abrogation which is abrogates the verse and takes it out therein and

00:13:48.700 therein can i say something yes if this is from god can god do whatever he likes to his scripture of

00:13:53.820 course god can do that okay okay yeah so if it's from god yeah okay now if that's from god he's

00:13:59.580 talking about for example like i said the alcohol you can change and say you know what first don't

00:14:03.500 come near salah while you're drunk now you can completely you shouldn't drink alcohol that's

00:14:08.700 abrogation i'm asking for a contradiction where it says blue here and then it says the same thing is

00:14:13.180 white that's what i'm looking for we're talking about the quran where where is the contradiction though

00:14:17.740 okay i'll show you just show me just say to me look in surah nur it says black in surah murk it

00:14:22.780 says white so i can say okay you're right there's a contradiction i need a clear-cut contradiction

00:14:26.700 well you need to look for it for yourself my friend but no no but the thing is the first

00:14:30.620 i've given you two evidence on the quran no no you haven't you said i gave me your surah

00:14:34.700 you said god can change and i said it's god he can change of course he can change if he says first

00:14:39.820 don't drink one glass of alcohol yeah okay then he abrogates it you know that alcohol is not good

00:14:44.140 for you anyway but but listen that's the wisdom of god he's asking it do you get it there's no

00:14:47.900 contradiction if i say to you for example look you're drinking alcohol cut it down drink once

00:14:52.860 once one cup a day you're gonna say okay after that when i see your progress i'm gonna say now

00:14:57.820 you're ready to cut it there's no contradiction it's your progress and me helping you with that

00:15:02.300 okay yeah so i want a clear-cut contradiction because we have three criteria verses should

00:15:07.340 not be added in no contradictions the quran has passed both but the bible has failed both 0.65

00:15:12.060 this book is saying if you have doubt that it's not from god bring a chapter like it come forward

00:15:18.380 okay where's your chapter well then you say the smallest chapter look not even the big ones the

00:15:22.860 smallest well you said then there's a two there's two things first it to bring the chapter but then

00:15:25.980 it says bring multiple chapters in the quran so wait is it one chapter the quran says bring one

00:15:31.020 chapter or is it multiple chapters because when allah says bring multiple he saw that you guys

00:15:35.740 couldn't do that he said let me make it easy for you bring one chapter so can i ask for that one

00:15:40.540 chapter please because we're making it easy for you first allah said look bring mini now he's

00:15:45.020 saying look you're having a hard time no no no one second okay before you start preaching

00:15:52.620 before you start preaching before you start preaching you need to bring that chapter look

00:15:56.780 this is a challenge for you i'm asking you clearly can you read this this one it's john 7 53

00:16:03.100 that your bible doesn't have okay can you read it for me this is this is this is can you read

00:16:10.700 it for me please why this is not but why why are you afraid no it's not the bible can i read it for

00:16:14.780 you it's not the bible can i read it for you okay he says this is this is this is john 753 okay the

00:16:21.020 earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have john 753 and 8 11. yeah all right who made

00:16:28.780 this mistake god or the men but it's not god does not make any mistake okay why where did this verse

00:16:34.140 come from where did this verse come from yeah i don't know you put it up on your phone no no no this

00:16:38.780 is your this is your christian scholars this is this is your this is your this is your man i told you

00:16:44.060 before okay can you show me okay no no no no that's being around the bush right show me a verse

00:16:49.820 show me a verse where it says in the quran yeah this verse in baqarah has been added in later it's not in the

00:16:54.460 old manuscript just one just one just one one just one show me show me the footnote show me the

00:17:01.820 show me the footnotes okay can you show me the footnote that says that verse has been added in

00:17:05.020 or taken out the verse is here my friend can you show me the okay can you show me the footnote

00:17:11.740 just as i have a footnote in your bible yeah where it says this verse has been added in i just gave it

00:17:18.540 you already no no no no you read advance to me you read a verse to me it's like me reading john 753

00:17:23.180 I'm asking you, where is the footnote?

00:17:25.180 Look, look, there's a footnote here.

00:17:26.180 You can pull that from anywhere.

00:17:27.180 No, no, no, this is your Bible.

00:17:28.180 And by the way, you're using Israeli to...

00:17:29.180 BibleGateway.com, yes? 0.98

00:17:30.180 Look, look, is it?

00:17:31.180 Look, BibleGateway.com, yeah?

00:17:34.180 Now, show me a single verse in the Qur'an

00:17:37.180 where it says this verse has been added and not taken out.

00:17:39.180 That's what I asked for me.

00:17:40.180 I just read it to you already.

00:17:41.180 No, no, no, you read me a verse.

00:17:42.180 You read it about the law of abrogation.

00:17:43.180 You read me a verse.

00:17:44.180 Look, what is this?

00:17:45.180 This is a footnote.

00:17:46.180 What is a footnote for?

00:17:47.180 A footnote tells you something about the verse, yes?

00:17:49.180 It says it's been added in.

00:17:50.180 It came in this time.

00:17:51.180 A single man, a single footnote.

00:17:53.180 No, where it says that verse has been added and not taken out.

00:17:56.180 Uh-huh.

00:17:57.180 Just one, just one.

00:17:58.180 I don't want two.

00:18:04.180 I just want to say something.

00:18:06.180 We had a challenge and the challenge was...

00:18:08.180 No, it was not a challenge.

00:18:09.180 No, no, no, it was a clear-cut challenge.

00:18:10.180 If this scripture is from God Almighty,

00:18:12.180 it should have no verses added in,

00:18:14.180 no errors, no contradictions.

00:18:16.180 You did not find one of these in the Qur'an

00:18:18.180 and we showed you free in the Bible.

00:18:21.180 I read it out.

00:18:22.180 Now you're saying...

00:18:24.180 Now you're saying...

00:18:25.180 Can I just...

00:18:26.180 Do you mind?

00:18:27.180 No, no, no, no.

00:18:28.180 Okay, alright.

00:18:29.180 This is a bit upset.

00:18:30.180 Okay.

00:18:31.180 You're claiming the word of the Bible is from God.

00:18:32.180 The Qur'an is from man.

00:18:33.180 And I'm saying this man did a better job than your God

00:18:36.180 because he has no errors,

00:18:37.180 no contradictions,

00:18:38.180 and no verses added in.

00:18:39.180 Whereas the Bible, 0.95

00:18:40.180 it has verses added in,

00:18:42.180 it has contradictions,

00:18:43.180 it has many errors.

00:18:44.180 So how is it that the Prophet Muhammad

00:18:46.180 did a better job than your God?

00:18:47.180 So good.

Ali Dawah - May 06, 2015

Dawah to Ex ＂muslim＂ Missionary

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