Ali Dawah - August 08, 2018


DO WE REALLY HATE SHIAS？ - REAL TALK


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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of Shi'at, and the differences between them and Sunnis as a religion and as a general mass. What do they have in common and what are their differences? What are their similarities and differences? How do they differ from each other as a religious doctrine? Is there any commonality between them? Is it a religion or a sect? What is the difference between them as a group or as a doctrine? How are they different from one another? What does it mean to be a Sunni and a Shi'ite? Is their support and support for me a matter of honour and respect?

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00:00:00.000 I give Salaam to my people in Bangladesh, Salaam to the people of Marrakesh, Salaam to the lions in Palestine, Salaam to the people of our time 0.58
00:00:14.400 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, brothers and sisters and dear friends, welcome to another video on my channel
00:00:20.180 Hope you guys are doing well, inshallah brothers and sisters, may Allah bless you guys
00:00:22.700 Today's topic is quite heated, quite controversial, some people are going to be thinking what's going on
00:00:28.360 What's happening?
00:00:28.960 So, what we're going to do today, brothers and sisters, we're going to talk about our take on Shi'at 0.99
00:00:33.720 What do you think about Shi'at?
00:00:34.700 This is actually a very needed topic, a topic that needs to be discussed
00:00:39.400 Yujan, what is your take on Shi'at?
00:00:42.000 Because we've had a lot of discussions and debates with them
00:00:43.480 So a lot of people have this perception and perceive that you have this inner hate towards them as this general mass
00:00:49.660 Is this really it?
00:00:51.480 Well, first and foremost, I would say that it's important to differentiate between a religion and its followers
00:00:56.220 Or a sect and its followers
00:00:58.720 And so people shouldn't take anything I say personally when I talk about a particular religious doctrine, for example
00:01:06.360 Like if we talk about Christianity or atheism or any other ism, we're talking about the doctrine 0.96
00:01:13.180 We're not necessarily intending the followers with that
00:01:17.280 So, yeah, I've done lots of debates
00:01:19.400 I've done three formal debates, like two or three formal debates with Shi'at 1.00
00:01:23.140 Which is on my channel and stuff like that
00:01:25.740 And what I've tried to highlight, I've tried to highlight some of the similarities and differences between Shi'at
00:01:31.620 I've got a whole video on that so people can watch that if they want
00:01:34.540 I think it's important to get the elephant out of the room
00:01:37.900 That's why I do it
00:01:39.260 So I think it's important to get the elephant out of the room
00:01:44.500 Some people have different approaches to coexistence and cooperation
00:01:47.700 Because at the end of the day, we're not in this world to try and kill each other or fight
00:01:52.760 That's not our intention and that's not what we're trying to do
00:01:54.780 We're not trying to be at odds with people
00:01:56.340 So you're not here to...
00:01:57.340 No, we're not trying to be at odds
00:01:58.580 If people think that of us, then that's the wrong understanding
00:02:03.060 We're not trying to be at odds with anyone
00:02:04.580 But what we are trying to do is we're trying to get the elephant out of the room
00:02:08.020 By speaking about those controversial topics
00:02:10.640 Which sometimes can be neglected or feared by some people
00:02:16.100 Some people don't want to speak about Shi'at
00:02:17.500 Because they think, well, if I'm a Sunni and I speak about Shi'at
00:02:20.160 I'm creating a controversy
00:02:21.300 But honestly, from my experience
00:02:24.500 I've found that by speaking with Shi'at 1.00
00:02:26.760 Wallahi, and this is a true story
00:02:29.380 Shi'at have become much more receptive to me as a general mass
00:02:32.980 I was in a gym yesterday, as you can see
00:02:34.840 I mean, I'm in good shape
00:02:35.620 I'm only joking
00:02:38.180 We're going to talk about the disease of the heart of arrogance, by the way 1.00
00:02:41.200 I'm going to need to kill him 1.00
00:02:44.000 So I was in a gym yesterday 1.00
00:02:45.000 May Allah preserve you
00:02:45.860 Say Ameen
00:02:47.380 Ameen, Ameen
00:02:48.100 And one guy came to...
00:02:49.440 Ameen, Ameen
00:02:49.820 And you as well
00:02:50.560 I thought you said Ameen
00:02:51.700 Yeah, I said Ameen, Ameen
00:02:53.000 Anyway
00:02:53.480 The guy was in a gym
00:02:55.000 And he said, oh, Mohammed Hijab 0.99
00:02:57.620 It's the first time I've seen this
00:02:58.960 It's the first time he saw me
00:03:00.160 I was like, oh, MashaAllah 0.61
00:03:01.720 What's your name?
00:03:02.500 And he told me his name and whatever
00:03:03.640 And he said, you know, I'm a Shi'at
00:03:05.380 And by himself
00:03:06.120 And he goes, I'm a Shi'at
00:03:06.840 But this is exactly what he said
00:03:08.060 He goes, I see what you're doing out there
00:03:09.920 I've watched some of your videos
00:03:10.820 And he says that
00:03:11.420 I believe it's quite positive what you're doing
00:03:13.120 And I've been getting...
00:03:14.680 It's quite ironic in a sense
00:03:16.100 Because I'm, once again
00:03:17.640 I'm opposing a lot of the ideas of Shi'at 1.00
00:03:19.160 But because I'm not doing it with an intention
00:03:21.820 To try and humiliate the audience
00:03:23.800 This lay people 0.85
00:03:24.580 I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings
00:03:26.160 I'm just trying to speak the truth
00:03:27.680 What I perceive as the truth, right?
00:03:29.200 Yeah
00:03:29.380 A lot of Shi'at have come and showed their 1.00
00:03:32.100 I would say their support and respect to me
00:03:34.600 Yeah 0.94
00:03:34.980 So I think it's foolish and I think naive to actually think
00:03:39.240 That just because we're talking about, say, Christianity or atheism or secularism 0.86
00:03:43.360 That we're against secularists or atheists or Christians
00:03:48.420 Or we dislike them
00:03:50.260 Look, I mean, the Qur'an says about them
00:03:53.480 This is a beautiful thing in the Qur'an
00:03:54.980 Two words
00:03:55.560 Which means
00:03:59.320 They are not all the same
00:04:01.000 Just like
00:04:02.320 And the same thing is meant with the Sunnis as well
00:04:04.460 Yeah
00:04:04.660 Sunnis, everybody
00:04:05.900 No one is the same
00:04:06.840 We can't generalise
00:04:07.640 There are some people which are bad
00:04:09.540 And some people which are good
00:04:10.500 Yeah, you're right
00:04:11.200 That's also a really good way you explain it
00:04:13.100 Personally, for myself as well
00:04:14.400 Like, I don't have like a dislike
00:04:16.180 Or like, for example
00:04:17.640 And this is actually funny
00:04:18.940 Because I was just telling you
00:04:20.060 Because I was in Westfield
00:04:21.300 And I saw this sister
00:04:22.820 And this was with a brother
00:04:24.320 There was a brother working
00:04:24.980 And there was another Somali sister
00:04:25.980 Yeah, okay
00:04:26.520 So she was Shia
00:04:28.000 So I went there
00:04:28.720 And I could see
00:04:29.620 And I could sense
00:04:30.340 Because she was trying to express to me
00:04:32.040 That something that I did
00:04:33.460 That hurt her
00:04:34.860 She said the Shia community as a whole
00:04:36.360 Yeah, and I was like
00:04:36.880 I was curious
00:04:37.240 I was like, what?
00:04:37.680 Because I don't usually dwell into such stuff
00:04:40.180 Yeah
00:04:40.320 And she was like, you know
00:04:41.180 When you confronted Britain first 0.93
00:04:42.920 And then they said to you
00:04:43.980 You do Taqir 0.93
00:04:44.500 And you said, oh no, the Shias do that 1.00
00:04:45.840 Yeah
00:04:45.980 And personally, even before she said that
00:04:48.100 I acknowledge that
00:04:48.760 The way I said it
00:04:49.980 Was a bit rude
00:04:51.540 Because I was like, oh, the Shias do it 1.00
00:04:52.740 What I meant by that
00:04:53.680 Was that basically
00:04:54.440 I'm a Sunni
00:04:55.400 We don't do Taqir 1.00
00:04:56.400 Shias do Taqir 0.99
00:04:57.760 Yeah
00:04:58.000 So I did apologise
00:04:59.260 And if someone's watching that
00:05:00.180 Because it did come across rude
00:05:01.200 And the reason I'm saying that
00:05:02.100 I'm not apologising to sugarcoat it for you
00:05:04.900 If I believe something
00:05:05.800 I believe it's trade
00:05:06.540 And I'll tell you what I believe
00:05:07.400 We have our differences
00:05:08.160 It's simple
00:05:08.660 Yeah
00:05:08.920 However
00:05:09.420 Yeah
00:05:09.880 I did say that to her
00:05:11.060 And one thing that I need to emphasise
00:05:12.860 On what you said as well
00:05:13.700 Is that we're not here to insult
00:05:15.140 So for example
00:05:15.780 There are some people who do videos
00:05:16.960 And they insult
00:05:18.220 They outright
00:05:18.920 They're swearing
00:05:19.880 And they're insulting
00:05:20.760 And you guys are like this
00:05:21.800 And you're like that
00:05:22.280 And then it makes you wonder
00:05:23.500 How do you expect a person opposite you
00:05:25.500 To understand and come to common terms
00:05:27.400 Or even if there's no common terms
00:05:28.600 To discuss the matter in a civil way
00:05:30.400 When you're insulting another person
00:05:32.060 So I personally abstain from that
00:05:33.240 I've seen you
00:05:33.760 That you don't go down the roots
00:05:35.120 Of actually just insulting them outright
00:05:37.320 I'm trying to say
00:05:37.960 Yeah
00:05:38.440 But okay
00:05:39.020 Let's come to it now
00:05:39.840 I get that
00:05:40.280 Just to add to the point
00:05:41.820 I think you make a good point
00:05:42.860 Because what you're saying
00:05:43.560 Is that basically
00:05:44.080 Something like
00:05:44.720 These are
00:05:45.820 To be honest with you
00:05:46.760 What we would call
00:05:47.420 Farah matters anyways 0.81
00:05:48.500 Yeah
00:05:48.780 Yeah
00:05:49.060 So you could
00:05:50.620 You could kind of
00:05:51.420 There are different ways
00:05:52.820 That scholars have done it
00:05:53.700 In the past
00:05:54.080 But there are
00:05:54.580 Different categorisations
00:05:56.340 For example
00:05:56.840 Some say
00:05:57.400 Usul and Furuah
00:05:59.120 But the way
00:06:00.080 Ibn Taymiyyah put it
00:06:00.980 Was interesting
00:06:01.480 He said that you have
00:06:02.300 Almiyat
00:06:03.420 And Amliyat 0.76
00:06:04.260 So
00:06:05.120 Amliyat
00:06:06.020 Are those things in the deen
00:06:07.080 That you implement
00:06:07.760 Yeah
00:06:08.080 So for example
00:06:08.760 Fiqh 0.97
00:06:09.440 Fiqh for us is jurisprudence
00:06:10.600 Law
00:06:10.840 When approaching
00:06:12.440 And talking to a Shia 1.00
00:06:13.280 I never really talk about
00:06:14.500 Things that are
00:06:15.420 Popularly spoken about
00:06:16.360 I've never once
00:06:17.380 Had a discussion
00:06:18.440 About muta
00:06:18.980 Which is something
00:06:20.460 Which is
00:06:20.940 I believe
00:06:21.760 Caricatured
00:06:23.260 And unfairly
00:06:24.520 Spoken about
00:06:26.220 As if it's the
00:06:26.840 Centrepiece of
00:06:27.580 The difference
00:06:28.540 Between Shias and Sunnis 1.00
00:06:29.440 It's not the centrepiece
00:06:30.480 Of difference
00:06:30.840 In terms of
00:06:31.740 Difference
00:06:32.160 That goes way
00:06:33.220 On the bottom of the list
00:06:33.960 They talk about
00:06:36.420 Once again
00:06:36.900 The Mahdi 0.99
00:06:38.440 The 12th Mahdi 0.99
00:06:39.860 And once again
00:06:40.460 The fact that he's hiding
00:06:41.520 In the
00:06:42.000 Sevdaab
00:06:43.380 It's like a place in Iraq 1.00
00:06:44.720 And you know
00:06:45.560 And they make fun of them
00:06:46.660 On that basis
00:06:47.560 Say how could he be in that place
00:06:48.780 And we would have been there
00:06:50.020 And he hasn't
00:06:50.460 He isn't there
00:06:50.900 I'm not saying
00:06:51.880 There's no legitimacy
00:06:52.400 In the discussion
00:06:53.260 But I'm saying
00:06:53.740 That this is
00:06:54.560 Low on
00:06:55.340 Low on the list
00:06:56.680 Of priorities
00:06:57.560 When we're talking
00:06:58.180 To Shia 0.80
00:06:58.560 So I never
00:07:00.060 Speak about those things
00:07:01.320 Very intentionally
00:07:02.400 Because these are
00:07:03.560 What you'd call
00:07:04.140 Amaliyyat
00:07:04.660 They come as a result
00:07:05.960 Of believing in the premises
00:07:06.960 So in the discussions
00:07:09.140 I've had with Shias 1.00
00:07:09.860 I've always just wanted
00:07:10.960 To speak about
00:07:11.620 What the usul are
00:07:12.680 What the foundations
00:07:14.560 Of difference are
00:07:15.320 And I've narrowed it down
00:07:16.200 To three
00:07:16.600 Just quickly
00:07:17.380 To go through them
00:07:18.000 One of them
00:07:19.000 Is the idea of imamah
00:07:20.460 Okay
00:07:21.240 Which I believe
00:07:22.100 Is the most important
00:07:23.060 One of all of them
00:07:23.900 Obviously
00:07:25.140 As Sunni Muslims
00:07:25.980 We believe in
00:07:26.560 The five pillars of Islam 0.98
00:07:27.540 Of the hadith of
00:07:29.100 Bunya al-Islam
00:07:29.660 The hadith of
00:07:31.340 Ibn Amr
00:07:32.480 The five pillars
00:07:34.220 Everyone knows
00:07:34.640 The five pillars
00:07:35.160 And we believe in
00:07:35.820 Six pillars of imam
00:07:36.940 And the six pillars of imam
00:07:39.300 Is to believe in Allah
00:07:40.660 And to min billah
00:07:41.360 Malaykitih 1.00
00:07:41.860 And his angels
00:07:42.260 And his books
00:07:43.380 And his prophets
00:07:45.460 And the last day
00:07:47.120 And the qadr 0.99
00:07:48.260 Was written
00:07:49.620 Now the argument
00:07:51.220 I always put forward
00:07:51.980 To them is that
00:07:52.540 These fundamental things
00:07:54.520 Are always
00:07:56.000 I mean
00:07:56.440 They're so fundamental
00:07:57.280 That they are repeated
00:07:58.280 Very often in the Quran
00:07:59.700 Not only just mentioned once
00:08:00.940 But often repeated things
00:08:03.840 Because they're the centerpiece
00:08:05.200 Of the religion 0.86
00:08:05.720 Right
00:08:06.520 So I always say to them
00:08:08.080 If imamah
00:08:09.200 Is as important
00:08:10.880 As say for example
00:08:11.820 Prophethood
00:08:12.460 Surely it should be mentioned
00:08:14.160 In the Quran
00:08:14.800 And that's where we talk
00:08:16.320 And discuss
00:08:16.880 And they try and bring
00:08:17.860 Their delils
00:08:18.480 Is it mentioned
00:08:19.600 Or is it not mentioned
00:08:20.380 That's where my discussions
00:08:21.280 Have gone
00:08:21.560 Of course
00:08:21.760 We don't have the time
00:08:22.620 To talk about this
00:08:23.400 Here and now
00:08:24.280 But that's
00:08:25.200 I've always given them
00:08:26.100 A chance to kind of
00:08:26.900 Represent themselves
00:08:27.540 I don't feel like
00:08:28.640 It's fair for me
00:08:29.360 Even now
00:08:29.840 To present a whole case
00:08:31.260 For it
00:08:31.500 People can refer
00:08:32.640 To the arguments
00:08:33.180 Because this is a debate
00:08:33.920 With two sides
00:08:34.680 And people can see
00:08:35.420 What's happening
00:08:35.880 But that's where
00:08:37.060 I always say
00:08:37.840 Well you've got
00:08:38.580 The six pillars of imam
00:08:39.600 Of Amr 0.81
00:08:40.620 His hadith
00:08:41.720 Which are all
00:08:43.920 Which is the hadith
00:08:44.820 Of like all the
00:08:45.440 Sunni Muslims agree upon
00:08:46.780 Which are all
00:08:47.820 To be found in the Quran
00:08:48.600 But this idea of imamah
00:08:50.120 If it was so central
00:08:51.520 If we had to believe
00:08:52.460 That there were 12 imams 1.00
00:08:53.640 All of which were infallible
00:08:54.840 All of which had to be followed
00:08:57.900 Just like prophets are followed
00:08:59.140 In fact all of those 12 imams
00:09:00.660 To shiais 0.99
00:09:01.300 Are more important
00:09:02.720 Than all of the prophets
00:09:03.820 Except for Prophet Muhammad 1.00
00:09:04.760 They're that important
00:09:06.500 So Ali ibn Abi Talib
00:09:07.980 For a shiai 0.99
00:09:08.800 Is more important
00:09:10.040 Than Jesus Christ
00:09:10.880 Is more important
00:09:11.680 Than Abraham
00:09:12.200 He's more important
00:09:13.160 Than Moses
00:09:13.760 It would have played a role
00:09:15.660 In our lives as well
00:09:17.260 Because when it comes
00:09:18.620 To the salah 0.50
00:09:19.020 There is differences
00:09:19.780 But that element is there
00:09:20.760 The fasting
00:09:21.760 All this is there
00:09:22.860 So if the imamiyyad
00:09:24.160 Like you said
00:09:24.540 If there was a big thing
00:09:25.420 Even in the sunni's life
00:09:26.560 It would have played a role
00:09:27.260 Like if it was emphasized
00:09:27.920 That much
00:09:28.560 Yeah
00:09:28.580 If it was in the Quran 0.95
00:09:29.480 If it was so important
00:09:31.300 We would argue
00:09:32.420 Then it should be in the Quran 1.00
00:09:33.420 Or at least it should be
00:09:34.140 In some kind
00:09:34.560 We can even go further
00:09:35.560 Than that
00:09:35.780 Say hadith
00:09:36.380 Which is agreed upon
00:09:37.740 By sunni's and shiais
00:09:38.780 Absolutely
00:09:39.700 But we don't find
00:09:40.940 That's the difference
00:09:41.980 But the other two
00:09:43.040 Which we don't have time
00:09:43.900 To talk about now
00:09:44.420 Is the sahaba
00:09:44.980 The stanza and the sahaba
00:09:45.960 So obviously in the Quran
00:09:48.780 It says that Allah says
00:09:49.780 That Allah says
00:09:50.780 He is pleased with them
00:09:54.560 And we would say
00:09:55.120 That they would
00:09:55.660 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:09:56.660 Not all of them
00:09:57.220 But they reject that premise
00:09:58.340 Completely
00:09:58.760 That these people
00:10:00.000 They apostated
00:10:00.680 Yeah
00:10:00.900 Like for example
00:10:01.640 In the Quran
00:10:02.000 Chapter 9 verse 100
00:10:03.000 It says very clearly
00:10:04.820 That Allah is pleased
00:10:06.960 With the muhajirun 0.99
00:10:07.760 And the ansar
00:10:08.380 He is pleased with those
00:10:10.120 Who've come
00:10:10.640 To immigrate to Medina
00:10:12.820 And the ansar
00:10:13.940 The helpers
00:10:14.660 And they are the sahaba
00:10:15.880 I've come across
00:10:16.680 You know the sister
00:10:17.120 That I was speaking to
00:10:17.800 Yeah
00:10:18.000 Obviously
00:10:18.280 She said to me in person
00:10:19.500 She's like
00:10:19.800 Look I don't
00:10:20.320 Because I don't curse
00:10:21.200 The companions
00:10:21.740 Or the wife
00:10:23.000 Of the Prophet
00:10:23.540 And she said
00:10:25.080 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:10:26.820 They don't even
00:10:27.740 No she didn't say that
00:10:28.720 But as far as I know
00:10:29.680 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:10:30.640 For example
00:10:31.080 Youngsters 0.76
00:10:31.660 They don't know
00:10:32.820 And generally
00:10:33.260 A lot of them don't
00:10:34.860 They curse
00:10:35.240 They're just like
00:10:35.660 Look we don't know
00:10:36.500 We don't
00:10:37.280 You know
00:10:37.600 So there is those
00:10:39.080 That are out there as well
00:10:40.040 Absolutely
00:10:40.940 And I think
00:10:41.580 That's a really important
00:10:42.580 Point to stress
00:10:43.360 That this is a point
00:10:45.080 Really important to stress
00:10:46.120 That not all shiais 1.00
00:10:46.880 Are the same 0.85
00:10:47.360 And to be completely
00:10:48.940 Fair to them
00:10:49.500 I have looked at
00:10:50.180 Some of their marajah
00:10:51.020 Some of their
00:10:51.600 Even their big scholars
00:10:52.700 And they say that
00:10:53.440 When
00:10:53.920 Because some of them
00:10:54.860 Do curse
00:10:55.340 They don't do it in public
00:10:56.620 Especially in areas
00:10:57.600 Where there's
00:10:58.100 Where there's
00:10:59.420 Division between
00:11:00.160 Sunni and shiai
00:11:01.120 So that's two things
00:11:02.520 The third thing is
00:11:03.160 Something shouldn't be
00:11:04.320 Even done in private
00:11:05.260 Obviously
00:11:05.600 Yeah we would say
00:11:06.480 That if you do it in private
00:11:07.200 You could potentially
00:11:08.400 Nullify your iman 0.98
00:11:09.340 We would say
00:11:09.800 Especially if you do it
00:11:11.260 To the mother of the believers
00:11:12.040 And stuff like that 0.92
00:11:12.680 It could nullify all of your islam 1.00
00:11:13.860 Because it goes against
00:11:14.740 The verses of the quran
00:11:15.680 It goes against the quran 1.00
00:11:16.660 Clear verses
00:11:18.000 Right
00:11:18.460 And I'm sure
00:11:19.000 A lot of them
00:11:19.400 That don't do it
00:11:19.880 They understand
00:11:20.340 Because imagine
00:11:20.820 Someone going to their mum 0.99
00:11:21.820 And accuse them of something
00:11:23.180 Or meet their
00:11:24.100 Their father's companions
00:11:25.360 Who die hard
00:11:26.600 You know
00:11:27.020 Battled with their father
00:11:28.700 And imagine
00:11:29.420 Someone coming and saying
00:11:30.480 All your dad's friends
00:11:31.640 Who did this that
00:11:32.340 They are all your mothers
00:11:33.500 And I'm sure
00:11:34.080 That's why a lot of them
00:11:34.800 Don't do it
00:11:35.220 Because they understand
00:11:35.980 And you know
00:11:36.340 They think you know what
00:11:37.040 To be totally honest with you
00:11:39.660 My interaction with the Shias 1.00
00:11:41.080 Has been quite positive
00:11:42.000 Yeah
00:11:42.200 Same
00:11:42.700 Same
00:11:43.040 Same
00:11:43.320 I'll be totally honest with you
00:11:44.440 I've been invited to their institutes
00:11:47.980 To do debates obviously
00:11:50.360 I've spoken to some of them
00:11:51.580 I've spoken to their people of knowledge
00:11:53.220 A lot of their people of knowledge
00:11:54.340 And even though I disagree with them vehemently
00:11:57.120 On doctrinal issues
00:11:58.980 Right
00:11:59.280 Imamah being one of them 0.86
00:12:01.460 For example
00:12:01.920 Which we've spoken about in depth
00:12:03.540 Quran
00:12:04.480 The status of preservation of Quran
00:12:05.800 Being another one
00:12:06.800 The Sahaba being a third 1.00
00:12:08.000 Even though I disagree with them
00:12:09.860 Fundamentally
00:12:11.500 On these issues
00:12:12.180 I think
00:12:13.140 My interaction with Shias 0.99
00:12:15.840 Has been really positive
00:12:17.000 Because
00:12:17.400 They've respected the fact
00:12:19.400 That I'm willing to engage them
00:12:21.260 On those differences
00:12:22.240 And respect them
00:12:23.220 And treat them with respect
00:12:25.580 Sometimes I've slipped up on that
00:12:27.280 I mean no one's perfect
00:12:28.200 I'm sure on both sides that's happened
00:12:29.280 Yeah yeah yeah
00:12:29.740 I've seen the video on both sides
00:12:30.720 Yeah yeah for sure
00:12:31.720 But yeah I mean
00:12:32.360 I think that
00:12:32.860 The main thing here is that
00:12:34.260 We need to kind of promote
00:12:35.460 That
00:12:36.500 We're living in the west
00:12:37.740 And what's happening in the Middle East
00:12:39.200 Like for example
00:12:39.780 In Iraq and in Syria
00:12:41.500 This kind of mentality
00:12:43.180 Shouldn't be kind of
00:12:44.060 We don't want that to ever come here
00:12:45.800 This is
00:12:46.880 In a sense
00:12:47.960 We're both
00:12:48.640 We're both minorities
00:12:50.040 In the west
00:12:50.860 When we do our work
00:12:52.520 For example
00:12:52.920 Me and you Ali
00:12:53.380 When we do our work
00:12:53.940 When you're confronting
00:12:55.600 The Islamophobes and stuff
00:12:57.460 That benefits
00:12:59.060 Shias and Sunnis 1.00
00:13:00.280 It doesn't just benefit Sunnis 0.98
00:13:01.440 When we do our work
00:13:02.660 That benefits both of us
00:13:04.000 And so on points of agreement
00:13:05.700 I don't see
00:13:06.420 There's a reason
00:13:07.480 For us not to kind of
00:13:09.740 To kind of see that
00:13:12.800 As a
00:13:13.120 For example
00:13:13.820 We've got a united
00:13:14.580 There's a united enemy
00:13:15.640 We have a common enemy
00:13:17.320 You know
00:13:18.000 We're not saying
00:13:18.640 We're going to now
00:13:19.260 Unite upon
00:13:19.820 On what we consider falsehood
00:13:21.660 We're not saying this
00:13:22.200 But what we're saying
00:13:23.100 Is that we have a common enemy
00:13:24.020 And even if we do
00:13:25.500 For example
00:13:26.060 We have to be real with ourselves
00:13:27.240 Come on
00:13:27.520 Even if we do have
00:13:28.560 Some kind of a
00:13:29.140 Dislike or a hatred
00:13:30.520 It's to the action
00:13:31.540 Because come on
00:13:32.200 Anyone
00:13:32.540 If I swore at your mum
00:13:33.620 And come on
00:13:34.880 Come on
00:13:35.200 Let's be real here
00:13:35.860 If I swore at your mum
00:13:37.060 Whoever it may be
00:13:38.440 Yeah
00:13:38.860 If somebody swears
00:13:41.960 I'm not just going to be like
00:13:43.100 Oh come on
00:13:44.420 Let's be real here
00:13:44.940 We have to say
00:13:45.540 You know what
00:13:45.880 I hate 0.99
00:13:46.580 I hate what you're doing 0.99
00:13:47.420 You know 0.97
00:13:47.960 But that's another
00:13:48.720 We have to be clear
00:13:49.740 On this matter
00:13:50.160 Nobody's going to tolerate this
00:13:51.640 My dear
00:13:52.460 Brother and sister
00:13:53.020 That I'm watching at home
00:13:53.580 If anyone comes
00:13:54.320 Forget this
00:13:55.480 Forget insulting your mum
00:13:56.440 Just mentioning your mum
00:13:57.660 Don't talk about my mum
00:13:59.420 Don't talk about my mum
00:14:00.660 And you have every right to
00:14:02.320 Put it this way
00:14:03.600 If someone spoke about Fatima
00:14:05.980 And when I come into that
00:14:09.000 This is something
00:14:10.620 That I want to mention
00:14:11.260 Before I came to the Dawah 0.93
00:14:12.860 My name is Ali
00:14:13.700 I look
00:14:14.440 I went to the back roof
00:14:15.180 And Umar ibn Qattab
00:14:17.540 And Abu Bakr radiallahu anna
00:14:18.600 May Allah have mercy on them
00:14:19.520 And Ali was just a character
00:14:21.440 That I just loved
00:14:22.580 As much as I love Abu Bakr
00:14:23.820 And Umar
00:14:24.580 And all the companions
00:14:25.360 Yeah
00:14:25.620 But I just specifically
00:14:27.000 Like and I did not say to myself
00:14:28.580 Okay I need to become a Shia 0.99
00:14:30.320 To love Ali and Ahlul Bayt
00:14:31.760 Of course not
00:14:32.300 Wallahi we love them
00:14:32.980 You love them
00:14:34.060 Absolutely
00:14:34.840 That's a fundamental thing
00:14:36.220 That we do my brother and sister
00:14:37.120 If you don't 0.93
00:14:37.540 You can't be a Muslim 1.00
00:14:38.180 Exactly 0.98
00:14:38.640 You can't be a Muslim 1.00
00:14:39.240 Exactly
00:14:39.720 We love them as much as you do
00:14:41.320 But we just say
00:14:42.120 We don't have to belong
00:14:43.040 To a certain group
00:14:43.820 To show that affection
00:14:44.820 And love towards them
00:14:45.540 And one thing that was really profound
00:14:47.320 Because when I was speaking
00:14:48.040 To their sister
00:14:48.520 The reason I keep emphasizing
00:14:49.660 Because she was so caught up
00:14:51.620 And she felt really hurt
00:14:52.680 I said to her sister 0.98
00:14:53.680 Do you really believe
00:14:54.260 And let me ask you this question
00:14:55.340 You're walking down the road
00:14:56.760 You see a Shia sister
00:14:58.820 Or brother in trouble
00:14:59.900 Are you going to say
00:15:00.760 Ah Shia 0.92
00:15:01.320 What's good?
00:15:02.480 No, no, no
00:15:03.000 Even if we saw a complete
00:15:05.560 A Christian
00:15:06.800 A Jew
00:15:07.500 Exactly
00:15:07.800 An atheist 1.00
00:15:08.580 Anybody in trouble
00:15:09.520 Our religion tells us
00:15:11.100 To get involved
00:15:12.480 The Prophet said, if whoever sees something evil, let him change it with his hand.
00:15:19.480 If he can't do it, then let him do it with his tongue. And if you can't, then let him at least have the hate in his heart.
00:15:24.480 And that's the lowest form of Iman. 1.00
00:15:25.480 That's the lowest form of Iman. 1.00
00:15:26.480 Exactly. So the Prophet says, I don't know if there's anything you want to add on.
00:15:28.480 The reason we did this video is just to make you understand we have our differences.
00:15:31.480 So we're not going to come here and say, let's hold hands.
00:15:34.480 We're not saying that. It's just to understand that where we're coming from, what we're doing.
00:15:37.480 It's the same with you guys. You disagree with us and you emphasize and you talk about that.
00:15:41.480 That's what we do. So we want to understand that there is not this inner form of animosity.
00:15:45.480 Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:15:46.480 And that's why was there anything else you want to add on? I think it was actually very fruitful, man.
00:15:49.480 I think it's very fruitful.
00:15:50.480 And I think that, you know, this what I've learned from the kind of last year or ever as I've been doing,
00:15:56.480 like engaging with GIs is that really, to be honest with you, there has been this kind of taboo in talking about it completely.
00:16:03.480 And I think that is the wrong approach. But it's all about how you do it.
00:16:07.480 Exactly.
00:16:08.480 You can have, you can have your belief, whatever your belief is, right?
00:16:13.480 It's about how you engage with someone who differs with you.
00:16:15.480 That's so key.
00:16:16.480 That's the key.
00:16:17.480 That's so, that's so key. And like, you know, having wisdom, because that's what it is.
00:16:21.480 And I'm sure a lot of Shia brothers and sisters watching this, they're going to say, you know what?
00:16:23.480 Look, we don't have a problem with the disagreements and the discussions, whatever.
00:16:27.480 The issue is when the animosity and the insults, and this is behaviour that we are totally against.
00:16:33.480 It's not the way to go about it.
00:16:34.480 How can I go and give?
00:16:35.480 Let's suppose our Shia brothers and sisters are wrong, yeah? 0.97
00:16:38.480 Like, there is things that we believe they are wrong, actually, yeah?
00:16:40.480 Oh, of course.
00:16:41.480 Imagine, imagine, I start off with saying, firstly, I want to say, you know, you are like this and like that and like that.
00:16:46.480 Now let's talk about why you should become a Sunni. 1.00
00:16:48.480 It's not going to work, you know?
00:16:50.480 And it's not going to work.
00:16:51.480 If I go to a Christian and start swearing with Lev Raizindah, 1.00
00:16:53.480 he's going to say, I don't want to know you about your Tawheed. 1.00
00:16:55.480 Look at your behaviour.
00:16:56.480 So that's all right, man.
00:16:57.480 Anything else you want to finish off with?
00:16:58.480 Yeah, I mean, one more thing is, I would say that, you know, from a Sunni perspective, especially youth,
00:17:04.480 I found that some people have been very angry, and rightfully so, I would say, rightfully so,
00:17:08.480 because the companions get cursed, especially by some very extreme Shia groups.
00:17:13.480 Just like we have extremist groups, in Shia we have extremist groups. 0.99
00:17:16.480 I would say, calm down, because the thing is, that happens everywhere.
00:17:21.480 People are disrespecting the Prophet Muhammad ,
00:17:24.480 who is more important to us than the Sahaba.
00:17:26.480 And people are even disrespecting Allah .
00:17:30.480 So if you can tolerate their disrespect to those respective peoples, you should be able to respect it.
00:17:35.480 That's very profound.
00:17:36.480 Sometimes we get really upset when Umar ibn Qattab, and we should, or Ali, 0.99
00:17:41.480 whoever it may be, and Allah, Allah on a daily basis.
00:17:44.480 And actually, this is a problem in the heart.
00:17:45.480 Can you imagine somebody insulting Hasan Ali, and you have a bigger problem than Allah, 0.86
00:17:50.480 or someone insulting Umar ibn Qattab and Bakr and Allah, but we have to rectify it.
00:17:55.480 Because the main fundamental thing is, we worship none other than Allah,
00:17:59.480 and our key element and our hate should be,
00:18:01.480 and when I mean hate, I'm not talking about doing some physical,
00:18:03.480 hating the action that's being done if someone is insulting Allah, you know.
00:18:06.480 But anyways, maybe that's for another topic we can discuss, Inshallah.
00:18:08.480 It's been very fruitful, man.
00:18:10.480 May Allah bless you.
00:18:11.480 BarakAllah fiq, brothers and sisters.
00:18:12.480 If you watch this, I would encourage everyone to share this with your friends and family,
00:18:15.480 especially our Shia brothers and sisters.
00:18:17.480 Share this with your friends and family, Inshallah,
00:18:19.480 and hope we can come to a common understanding, Inshallah.
00:18:22.480 And even if we don't, we can have a discussion.
00:18:23.480 We agree to disagree.
00:18:24.480 I agree to disagree.
00:18:25.480 There you go.
00:18:26.480 Thank you very much.
00:18:27.480 BarakAllah fiq.
00:18:28.480 Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
00:18:29.480 From another video from me and Baba Muhammad Ijad.