Ali Dawah - August 08, 2018


DO WE REALLY HATE SHIAS？ - REAL TALK

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Taqir Shias Shi'at Wallahi Abu Bakr Prophet BarakAllah Baba Muhammad Ijad Muhammad Hijab Ibn Taymiyyah Lev Raizindah Shi'at Which Jesus Christ Ahlul Bayt Fiqh Fiqh Abi Talib Hassan Ali Ibn Umar Ah Shia MashaAllah Malaykitih Amaliyyat and 10 more
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4,090

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70

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of Shi'at, and the differences between them and Sunnis as a religion and as a general mass. What do they have in common and what are their differences? What are their similarities and differences? How do they differ from each other as a religious doctrine? Is there any commonality between them? Is it a religion or a sect? What is the difference between them as a group or as a doctrine? How are they different from one another? What does it mean to be a Sunni and a Shi'ite? Is their support and support for me a matter of honour and respect?

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00:00:00.000 I give Salaam to my people in Bangladesh, Salaam to the people of Marrakesh, Salaam to the lions in Palestine, Salaam to the people of our time 0.58
00:00:14.400 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, brothers and sisters and dear friends, welcome to another video on my channel
00:00:20.180 Hope you guys are doing well, inshallah brothers and sisters, may Allah bless you guys
00:00:22.700 Today's topic is quite heated, quite controversial, some people are going to be thinking what's going on
00:00:28.360 What's happening?
00:00:28.960 So, what we're going to do today, brothers and sisters, we're going to talk about our take on Shi'at 0.99
00:00:33.720 What do you think about Shi'at?
00:00:34.700 This is actually a very needed topic, a topic that needs to be discussed
00:00:39.400 Yujan, what is your take on Shi'at?
00:00:42.000 Because we've had a lot of discussions and debates with them
00:00:43.480 So a lot of people have this perception and perceive that you have this inner hate towards them as this general mass
00:00:49.660 Is this really it?
00:00:51.480 Well, first and foremost, I would say that it's important to differentiate between a religion and its followers
00:00:56.220 Or a sect and its followers
00:00:58.720 And so people shouldn't take anything I say personally when I talk about a particular religious doctrine, for example
00:01:06.360 Like if we talk about Christianity or atheism or any other ism, we're talking about the doctrine 0.96
00:01:13.180 We're not necessarily intending the followers with that
00:01:17.280 So, yeah, I've done lots of debates
00:01:19.400 I've done three formal debates, like two or three formal debates with Shi'at 1.00
00:01:23.140 Which is on my channel and stuff like that
00:01:25.740 And what I've tried to highlight, I've tried to highlight some of the similarities and differences between Shi'at
00:01:31.620 I've got a whole video on that so people can watch that if they want
00:01:34.540 I think it's important to get the elephant out of the room
00:01:37.900 That's why I do it
00:01:39.260 So I think it's important to get the elephant out of the room
00:01:44.500 Some people have different approaches to coexistence and cooperation
00:01:47.700 Because at the end of the day, we're not in this world to try and kill each other or fight
00:01:52.760 That's not our intention and that's not what we're trying to do
00:01:54.780 We're not trying to be at odds with people
00:01:56.340 So you're not here to...
00:01:57.340 No, we're not trying to be at odds
00:01:58.580 If people think that of us, then that's the wrong understanding
00:02:03.060 We're not trying to be at odds with anyone
00:02:04.580 But what we are trying to do is we're trying to get the elephant out of the room
00:02:08.020 By speaking about those controversial topics
00:02:10.640 Which sometimes can be neglected or feared by some people
00:02:16.100 Some people don't want to speak about Shi'at
00:02:17.500 Because they think, well, if I'm a Sunni and I speak about Shi'at
00:02:20.160 I'm creating a controversy
00:02:21.300 But honestly, from my experience
00:02:24.500 I've found that by speaking with Shi'at 1.00
00:02:26.760 Wallahi, and this is a true story
00:02:29.380 Shi'at have become much more receptive to me as a general mass
00:02:32.980 I was in a gym yesterday, as you can see
00:02:34.840 I mean, I'm in good shape
00:02:35.620 I'm only joking
00:02:38.180 We're going to talk about the disease of the heart of arrogance, by the way 1.00
00:02:41.200 I'm going to need to kill him 1.00
00:02:44.000 So I was in a gym yesterday 1.00
00:02:45.000 May Allah preserve you
00:02:45.860 Say Ameen
00:02:47.380 Ameen, Ameen
00:02:48.100 And one guy came to...
00:02:49.440 Ameen, Ameen
00:02:49.820 And you as well
00:02:50.560 I thought you said Ameen
00:02:51.700 Yeah, I said Ameen, Ameen
00:02:53.000 Anyway
00:02:53.480 The guy was in a gym
00:02:55.000 And he said, oh, Mohammed Hijab 0.99
00:02:57.620 It's the first time I've seen this
00:02:58.960 It's the first time he saw me
00:03:00.160 I was like, oh, MashaAllah 0.61
00:03:01.720 What's your name?
00:03:02.500 And he told me his name and whatever
00:03:03.640 And he said, you know, I'm a Shi'at
00:03:05.380 And by himself
00:03:06.120 And he goes, I'm a Shi'at
00:03:06.840 But this is exactly what he said
00:03:08.060 He goes, I see what you're doing out there
00:03:09.920 I've watched some of your videos
00:03:10.820 And he says that
00:03:11.420 I believe it's quite positive what you're doing
00:03:13.120 And I've been getting...
00:03:14.680 It's quite ironic in a sense
00:03:16.100 Because I'm, once again
00:03:17.640 I'm opposing a lot of the ideas of Shi'at 1.00
00:03:19.160 But because I'm not doing it with an intention
00:03:21.820 To try and humiliate the audience
00:03:23.800 This lay people 0.85
00:03:24.580 I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings
00:03:26.160 I'm just trying to speak the truth
00:03:27.680 What I perceive as the truth, right?
00:03:29.200 Yeah
00:03:29.380 A lot of Shi'at have come and showed their 1.00
00:03:32.100 I would say their support and respect to me
00:03:34.600 Yeah 0.94
00:03:34.980 So I think it's foolish and I think naive to actually think
00:03:39.240 That just because we're talking about, say, Christianity or atheism or secularism 0.86
00:03:43.360 That we're against secularists or atheists or Christians
00:03:48.420 Or we dislike them
00:03:50.260 Look, I mean, the Qur'an says about them
00:03:53.480 This is a beautiful thing in the Qur'an
00:03:54.980 Two words
00:03:55.560 Which means
00:03:59.320 They are not all the same
00:04:01.000 Just like
00:04:02.320 And the same thing is meant with the Sunnis as well
00:04:04.460 Yeah
00:04:04.660 Sunnis, everybody
00:04:05.900 No one is the same
00:04:06.840 We can't generalise
00:04:07.640 There are some people which are bad
00:04:09.540 And some people which are good
00:04:10.500 Yeah, you're right
00:04:11.200 That's also a really good way you explain it
00:04:13.100 Personally, for myself as well
00:04:14.400 Like, I don't have like a dislike
00:04:16.180 Or like, for example
00:04:17.640 And this is actually funny
00:04:18.940 Because I was just telling you
00:04:20.060 Because I was in Westfield
00:04:21.300 And I saw this sister
00:04:22.820 And this was with a brother
00:04:24.320 There was a brother working
00:04:24.980 And there was another Somali sister
00:04:25.980 Yeah, okay
00:04:26.520 So she was Shia
00:04:28.000 So I went there
00:04:28.720 And I could see
00:04:29.620 And I could sense
00:04:30.340 Because she was trying to express to me
00:04:32.040 That something that I did
00:04:33.460 That hurt her
00:04:34.860 She said the Shia community as a whole
00:04:36.360 Yeah, and I was like
00:04:36.880 I was curious
00:04:37.240 I was like, what?
00:04:37.680 Because I don't usually dwell into such stuff
00:04:40.180 Yeah
00:04:40.320 And she was like, you know
00:04:41.180 When you confronted Britain first 0.93
00:04:42.920 And then they said to you
00:04:43.980 You do Taqir 0.93
00:04:44.500 And you said, oh no, the Shias do that 1.00
00:04:45.840 Yeah
00:04:45.980 And personally, even before she said that
00:04:48.100 I acknowledge that
00:04:48.760 The way I said it
00:04:49.980 Was a bit rude
00:04:51.540 Because I was like, oh, the Shias do it 1.00
00:04:52.740 What I meant by that
00:04:53.680 Was that basically
00:04:54.440 I'm a Sunni
00:04:55.400 We don't do Taqir 1.00
00:04:56.400 Shias do Taqir 0.99
00:04:57.760 Yeah
00:04:58.000 So I did apologise
00:04:59.260 And if someone's watching that
00:05:00.180 Because it did come across rude
00:05:01.200 And the reason I'm saying that
00:05:02.100 I'm not apologising to sugarcoat it for you
00:05:04.900 If I believe something
00:05:05.800 I believe it's trade
00:05:06.540 And I'll tell you what I believe
00:05:07.400 We have our differences
00:05:08.160 It's simple
00:05:08.660 Yeah
00:05:08.920 However
00:05:09.420 Yeah
00:05:09.880 I did say that to her
00:05:11.060 And one thing that I need to emphasise
00:05:12.860 On what you said as well
00:05:13.700 Is that we're not here to insult
00:05:15.140 So for example
00:05:15.780 There are some people who do videos
00:05:16.960 And they insult
00:05:18.220 They outright
00:05:18.920 They're swearing
00:05:19.880 And they're insulting
00:05:20.760 And you guys are like this
00:05:21.800 And you're like that
00:05:22.280 And then it makes you wonder
00:05:23.500 How do you expect a person opposite you
00:05:25.500 To understand and come to common terms
00:05:27.400 Or even if there's no common terms
00:05:28.600 To discuss the matter in a civil way
00:05:30.400 When you're insulting another person
00:05:32.060 So I personally abstain from that
00:05:33.240 I've seen you
00:05:33.760 That you don't go down the roots
00:05:35.120 Of actually just insulting them outright
00:05:37.320 I'm trying to say
00:05:37.960 Yeah
00:05:38.440 But okay
00:05:39.020 Let's come to it now
00:05:39.840 I get that
00:05:40.280 Just to add to the point
00:05:41.820 I think you make a good point
00:05:42.860 Because what you're saying
00:05:43.560 Is that basically
00:05:44.080 Something like
00:05:44.720 These are
00:05:45.820 To be honest with you
00:05:46.760 What we would call
00:05:47.420 Farah matters anyways 0.81
00:05:48.500 Yeah
00:05:48.780 Yeah
00:05:49.060 So you could
00:05:50.620 You could kind of
00:05:51.420 There are different ways
00:05:52.820 That scholars have done it
00:05:53.700 In the past
00:05:54.080 But there are
00:05:54.580 Different categorisations
00:05:56.340 For example
00:05:56.840 Some say
00:05:57.400 Usul and Furuah
00:05:59.120 But the way
00:06:00.080 Ibn Taymiyyah put it
00:06:00.980 Was interesting
00:06:01.480 He said that you have
00:06:02.300 Almiyat
00:06:03.420 And Amliyat 0.76
00:06:04.260 So
00:06:05.120 Amliyat
00:06:06.020 Are those things in the deen
00:06:07.080 That you implement
00:06:07.760 Yeah
00:06:08.080 So for example
00:06:08.760 Fiqh 0.97
00:06:09.440 Fiqh for us is jurisprudence
00:06:10.600 Law
00:06:10.840 When approaching
00:06:12.440 And talking to a Shia 1.00
00:06:13.280 I never really talk about
00:06:14.500 Things that are
00:06:15.420 Popularly spoken about
00:06:16.360 I've never once
00:06:17.380 Had a discussion
00:06:18.440 About muta
00:06:18.980 Which is something
00:06:20.460 Which is
00:06:20.940 I believe
00:06:21.760 Caricatured
00:06:23.260 And unfairly
00:06:24.520 Spoken about
00:06:26.220 As if it's the
00:06:26.840 Centrepiece of
00:06:27.580 The difference
00:06:28.540 Between Shias and Sunnis 1.00
00:06:29.440 It's not the centrepiece
00:06:30.480 Of difference
00:06:30.840 In terms of
00:06:31.740 Difference
00:06:32.160 That goes way
00:06:33.220 On the bottom of the list
00:06:33.960 They talk about
00:06:36.420 Once again
00:06:36.900 The Mahdi 0.99
00:06:38.440 The 12th Mahdi 0.99
00:06:39.860 And once again
00:06:40.460 The fact that he's hiding
00:06:41.520 In the
00:06:42.000 Sevdaab
00:06:43.380 It's like a place in Iraq 1.00
00:06:44.720 And you know
00:06:45.560 And they make fun of them
00:06:46.660 On that basis
00:06:47.560 Say how could he be in that place
00:06:48.780 And we would have been there
00:06:50.020 And he hasn't
00:06:50.460 He isn't there
00:06:50.900 I'm not saying
00:06:51.880 There's no legitimacy
00:06:52.400 In the discussion
00:06:53.260 But I'm saying
00:06:53.740 That this is
00:06:54.560 Low on
00:06:55.340 Low on the list
00:06:56.680 Of priorities
00:06:57.560 When we're talking
00:06:58.180 To Shia 0.80
00:06:58.560 So I never
00:07:00.060 Speak about those things
00:07:01.320 Very intentionally
00:07:02.400 Because these are
00:07:03.560 What you'd call
00:07:04.140 Amaliyyat
00:07:04.660 They come as a result
00:07:05.960 Of believing in the premises
00:07:06.960 So in the discussions
00:07:09.140 I've had with Shias 1.00
00:07:09.860 I've always just wanted
00:07:10.960 To speak about
00:07:11.620 What the usul are
00:07:12.680 What the foundations
00:07:14.560 Of difference are
00:07:15.320 And I've narrowed it down
00:07:16.200 To three
00:07:16.600 Just quickly
00:07:17.380 To go through them
00:07:18.000 One of them
00:07:19.000 Is the idea of imamah
00:07:20.460 Okay
00:07:21.240 Which I believe
00:07:22.100 Is the most important
00:07:23.060 One of all of them
00:07:23.900 Obviously
00:07:25.140 As Sunni Muslims
00:07:25.980 We believe in
00:07:26.560 The five pillars of Islam 0.98
00:07:27.540 Of the hadith of
00:07:29.100 Bunya al-Islam
00:07:29.660 The hadith of
00:07:31.340 Ibn Amr
00:07:32.480 The five pillars
00:07:34.220 Everyone knows
00:07:34.640 The five pillars
00:07:35.160 And we believe in
00:07:35.820 Six pillars of imam
00:07:36.940 And the six pillars of imam
00:07:39.300 Is to believe in Allah
00:07:40.660 And to min billah
00:07:41.360 Malaykitih 1.00
00:07:41.860 And his angels
00:07:42.260 And his books
00:07:43.380 And his prophets
00:07:45.460 And the last day
00:07:47.120 And the qadr 0.99
00:07:48.260 Was written
00:07:49.620 Now the argument
00:07:51.220 I always put forward
00:07:51.980 To them is that
00:07:52.540 These fundamental things
00:07:54.520 Are always
00:07:56.000 I mean
00:07:56.440 They're so fundamental
00:07:57.280 That they are repeated
00:07:58.280 Very often in the Quran
00:07:59.700 Not only just mentioned once
00:08:00.940 But often repeated things
00:08:03.840 Because they're the centerpiece
00:08:05.200 Of the religion 0.86
00:08:05.720 Right
00:08:06.520 So I always say to them
00:08:08.080 If imamah
00:08:09.200 Is as important
00:08:10.880 As say for example
00:08:11.820 Prophethood
00:08:12.460 Surely it should be mentioned
00:08:14.160 In the Quran
00:08:14.800 And that's where we talk
00:08:16.320 And discuss
00:08:16.880 And they try and bring
00:08:17.860 Their delils
00:08:18.480 Is it mentioned
00:08:19.600 Or is it not mentioned
00:08:20.380 That's where my discussions
00:08:21.280 Have gone
00:08:21.560 Of course
00:08:21.760 We don't have the time
00:08:22.620 To talk about this
00:08:23.400 Here and now
00:08:24.280 But that's
00:08:25.200 I've always given them
00:08:26.100 A chance to kind of
00:08:26.900 Represent themselves
00:08:27.540 I don't feel like
00:08:28.640 It's fair for me
00:08:29.360 Even now
00:08:29.840 To present a whole case
00:08:31.260 For it
00:08:31.500 People can refer
00:08:32.640 To the arguments
00:08:33.180 Because this is a debate
00:08:33.920 With two sides
00:08:34.680 And people can see
00:08:35.420 What's happening
00:08:35.880 But that's where
00:08:37.060 I always say
00:08:37.840 Well you've got
00:08:38.580 The six pillars of imam
00:08:39.600 Of Amr 0.81
00:08:40.620 His hadith
00:08:41.720 Which are all
00:08:43.920 Which is the hadith
00:08:44.820 Of like all the
00:08:45.440 Sunni Muslims agree upon
00:08:46.780 Which are all
00:08:47.820 To be found in the Quran
00:08:48.600 But this idea of imamah
00:08:50.120 If it was so central
00:08:51.520 If we had to believe
00:08:52.460 That there were 12 imams 1.00
00:08:53.640 All of which were infallible
00:08:54.840 All of which had to be followed
00:08:57.900 Just like prophets are followed
00:08:59.140 In fact all of those 12 imams
00:09:00.660 To shiais 0.99
00:09:01.300 Are more important
00:09:02.720 Than all of the prophets
00:09:03.820 Except for Prophet Muhammad 1.00
00:09:04.760 They're that important
00:09:06.500 So Ali ibn Abi Talib
00:09:07.980 For a shiai 0.99
00:09:08.800 Is more important
00:09:10.040 Than Jesus Christ
00:09:10.880 Is more important
00:09:11.680 Than Abraham
00:09:12.200 He's more important
00:09:13.160 Than Moses
00:09:13.760 It would have played a role
00:09:15.660 In our lives as well
00:09:17.260 Because when it comes
00:09:18.620 To the salah 0.50
00:09:19.020 There is differences
00:09:19.780 But that element is there
00:09:20.760 The fasting
00:09:21.760 All this is there
00:09:22.860 So if the imamiyyad
00:09:24.160 Like you said
00:09:24.540 If there was a big thing
00:09:25.420 Even in the sunni's life
00:09:26.560 It would have played a role
00:09:27.260 Like if it was emphasized
00:09:27.920 That much
00:09:28.560 Yeah
00:09:28.580 If it was in the Quran 0.95
00:09:29.480 If it was so important
00:09:31.300 We would argue
00:09:32.420 Then it should be in the Quran 1.00
00:09:33.420 Or at least it should be
00:09:34.140 In some kind
00:09:34.560 We can even go further
00:09:35.560 Than that
00:09:35.780 Say hadith
00:09:36.380 Which is agreed upon
00:09:37.740 By sunni's and shiais
00:09:38.780 Absolutely
00:09:39.700 But we don't find
00:09:40.940 That's the difference
00:09:41.980 But the other two
00:09:43.040 Which we don't have time
00:09:43.900 To talk about now
00:09:44.420 Is the sahaba
00:09:44.980 The stanza and the sahaba
00:09:45.960 So obviously in the Quran
00:09:48.780 It says that Allah says
00:09:49.780 That Allah says
00:09:50.780 He is pleased with them
00:09:54.560 And we would say
00:09:55.120 That they would
00:09:55.660 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:09:56.660 Not all of them
00:09:57.220 But they reject that premise
00:09:58.340 Completely
00:09:58.760 That these people
00:10:00.000 They apostated
00:10:00.680 Yeah
00:10:00.900 Like for example
00:10:01.640 In the Quran
00:10:02.000 Chapter 9 verse 100
00:10:03.000 It says very clearly
00:10:04.820 That Allah is pleased
00:10:06.960 With the muhajirun 0.99
00:10:07.760 And the ansar
00:10:08.380 He is pleased with those
00:10:10.120 Who've come
00:10:10.640 To immigrate to Medina
00:10:12.820 And the ansar
00:10:13.940 The helpers
00:10:14.660 And they are the sahaba
00:10:15.880 I've come across
00:10:16.680 You know the sister
00:10:17.120 That I was speaking to
00:10:17.800 Yeah
00:10:18.000 Obviously
00:10:18.280 She said to me in person
00:10:19.500 She's like
00:10:19.800 Look I don't
00:10:20.320 Because I don't curse
00:10:21.200 The companions
00:10:21.740 Or the wife
00:10:23.000 Of the Prophet
00:10:23.540 And she said
00:10:25.080 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:10:26.820 They don't even
00:10:27.740 No she didn't say that
00:10:28.720 But as far as I know
00:10:29.680 A lot of shiais 1.00
00:10:30.640 For example
00:10:31.080 Youngsters 0.76
00:10:31.660 They don't know
00:10:32.820 And generally
00:10:33.260 A lot of them don't
00:10:34.860 They curse
00:10:35.240 They're just like
00:10:35.660 Look we don't know
00:10:36.500 We don't
00:10:37.280 You know
00:10:37.600 So there is those
00:10:39.080 That are out there as well
00:10:40.040 Absolutely
00:10:40.940 And I think
00:10:41.580 That's a really important
00:10:42.580 Point to stress
00:10:43.360 That this is a point
00:10:45.080 Really important to stress
00:10:46.120 That not all shiais 1.00
00:10:46.880 Are the same 0.85
00:10:47.360 And to be completely
00:10:48.940 Fair to them
00:10:49.500 I have looked at
00:10:50.180 Some of their marajah
00:10:51.020 Some of their
00:10:51.600 Even their big scholars
00:10:52.700 And they say that
00:10:53.440 When
00:10:53.920 Because some of them
00:10:54.860 Do curse
00:10:55.340 They don't do it in public
00:10:56.620 Especially in areas
00:10:57.600 Where there's
00:10:58.100 Where there's
00:10:59.420 Division between
00:11:00.160 Sunni and shiai
00:11:01.120 So that's two things
00:11:02.520 The third thing is
00:11:03.160 Something shouldn't be
00:11:04.320 Even done in private
00:11:05.260 Obviously
00:11:05.600 Yeah we would say
00:11:06.480 That if you do it in private
00:11:07.200 You could potentially
00:11:08.400 Nullify your iman 0.98
00:11:09.340 We would say
00:11:09.800 Especially if you do it
00:11:11.260 To the mother of the believers
00:11:12.040 And stuff like that 0.92
00:11:12.680 It could nullify all of your islam 1.00
00:11:13.860 Because it goes against
00:11:14.740 The verses of the quran
00:11:15.680 It goes against the quran 1.00
00:11:16.660 Clear verses
00:11:18.000 Right
00:11:18.460 And I'm sure
00:11:19.000 A lot of them
00:11:19.400 That don't do it
00:11:19.880 They understand
00:11:20.340 Because imagine
00:11:20.820 Someone going to their mum 0.99
00:11:21.820 And accuse them of something
00:11:23.180 Or meet their
00:11:24.100 Their father's companions
00:11:25.360 Who die hard
00:11:26.600 You know
00:11:27.020 Battled with their father
00:11:28.700 And imagine
00:11:29.420 Someone coming and saying
00:11:30.480 All your dad's friends
00:11:31.640 Who did this that
00:11:32.340 They are all your mothers
00:11:33.500 And I'm sure
00:11:34.080 That's why a lot of them
00:11:34.800 Don't do it
00:11:35.220 Because they understand
00:11:35.980 And you know
00:11:36.340 They think you know what
00:11:37.040 To be totally honest with you
00:11:39.660 My interaction with the Shias 1.00
00:11:41.080 Has been quite positive
00:11:42.000 Yeah
00:11:42.200 Same
00:11:42.700 Same
00:11:43.040 Same
00:11:43.320 I'll be totally honest with you
00:11:44.440 I've been invited to their institutes
00:11:47.980 To do debates obviously
00:11:50.360 I've spoken to some of them
00:11:51.580 I've spoken to their people of knowledge
00:11:53.220 A lot of their people of knowledge
00:11:54.340 And even though I disagree with them vehemently
00:11:57.120 On doctrinal issues
00:11:58.980 Right
00:11:59.280 Imamah being one of them 0.86
00:12:01.460 For example
00:12:01.920 Which we've spoken about in depth
00:12:03.540 Quran
00:12:04.480 The status of preservation of Quran
00:12:05.800 Being another one
00:12:06.800 The Sahaba being a third 1.00
00:12:08.000 Even though I disagree with them
00:12:09.860 Fundamentally
00:12:11.500 On these issues
00:12:12.180 I think
00:12:13.140 My interaction with Shias 0.99
00:12:15.840 Has been really positive
00:12:17.000 Because
00:12:17.400 They've respected the fact
00:12:19.400 That I'm willing to engage them
00:12:21.260 On those differences
00:12:22.240 And respect them
00:12:23.220 And treat them with respect
00:12:25.580 Sometimes I've slipped up on that
00:12:27.280 I mean no one's perfect
00:12:28.200 I'm sure on both sides that's happened
00:12:29.280 Yeah yeah yeah
00:12:29.740 I've seen the video on both sides
00:12:30.720 Yeah yeah for sure
00:12:31.720 But yeah I mean
00:12:32.360 I think that
00:12:32.860 The main thing here is that
00:12:34.260 We need to kind of promote
00:12:35.460 That
00:12:36.500 We're living in the west
00:12:37.740 And what's happening in the Middle East
00:12:39.200 Like for example
00:12:39.780 In Iraq and in Syria
00:12:41.500 This kind of mentality
00:12:43.180 Shouldn't be kind of
00:12:44.060 We don't want that to ever come here
00:12:45.800 This is
00:12:46.880 In a sense
00:12:47.960 We're both
00:12:48.640 We're both minorities
00:12:50.040 In the west
00:12:50.860 When we do our work
00:12:52.520 For example
00:12:52.920 Me and you Ali
00:12:53.380 When we do our work
00:12:53.940 When you're confronting
00:12:55.600 The Islamophobes and stuff
00:12:57.460 That benefits
00:12:59.060 Shias and Sunnis 1.00
00:13:00.280 It doesn't just benefit Sunnis 0.98
00:13:01.440 When we do our work
00:13:02.660 That benefits both of us
00:13:04.000 And so on points of agreement
00:13:05.700 I don't see
00:13:06.420 There's a reason
00:13:07.480 For us not to kind of
00:13:09.740 To kind of see that
00:13:12.800 As a
00:13:13.120 For example
00:13:13.820 We've got a united
00:13:14.580 There's a united enemy
00:13:15.640 We have a common enemy
00:13:17.320 You know
00:13:18.000 We're not saying
00:13:18.640 We're going to now
00:13:19.260 Unite upon
00:13:19.820 On what we consider falsehood
00:13:21.660 We're not saying this
00:13:22.200 But what we're saying
00:13:23.100 Is that we have a common enemy
00:13:24.020 And even if we do
00:13:25.500 For example
00:13:26.060 We have to be real with ourselves
00:13:27.240 Come on
00:13:27.520 Even if we do have
00:13:28.560 Some kind of a
00:13:29.140 Dislike or a hatred
00:13:30.520 It's to the action
00:13:31.540 Because come on
00:13:32.200 Anyone
00:13:32.540 If I swore at your mum
00:13:33.620 And come on
00:13:34.880 Come on
00:13:35.200 Let's be real here
00:13:35.860 If I swore at your mum
00:13:37.060 Whoever it may be
00:13:38.440 Yeah
00:13:38.860 If somebody swears
00:13:41.960 I'm not just going to be like
00:13:43.100 Oh come on
00:13:44.420 Let's be real here
00:13:44.940 We have to say
00:13:45.540 You know what
00:13:45.880 I hate 0.99
00:13:46.580 I hate what you're doing 0.99
00:13:47.420 You know 0.97
00:13:47.960 But that's another
00:13:48.720 We have to be clear
00:13:49.740 On this matter
00:13:50.160 Nobody's going to tolerate this
00:13:51.640 My dear
00:13:52.460 Brother and sister
00:13:53.020 That I'm watching at home
00:13:53.580 If anyone comes
00:13:54.320 Forget this
00:13:55.480 Forget insulting your mum
00:13:56.440 Just mentioning your mum
00:13:57.660 Don't talk about my mum
00:13:59.420 Don't talk about my mum
00:14:00.660 And you have every right to
00:14:02.320 Put it this way
00:14:03.600 If someone spoke about Fatima
00:14:05.980 And when I come into that
00:14:09.000 This is something
00:14:10.620 That I want to mention
00:14:11.260 Before I came to the Dawah 0.93
00:14:12.860 My name is Ali
00:14:13.700 I look
00:14:14.440 I went to the back roof
00:14:15.180 And Umar ibn Qattab
00:14:17.540 And Abu Bakr radiallahu anna
00:14:18.600 May Allah have mercy on them
00:14:19.520 And Ali was just a character
00:14:21.440 That I just loved
00:14:22.580 As much as I love Abu Bakr
00:14:23.820 And Umar
00:14:24.580 And all the companions
00:14:25.360 Yeah
00:14:25.620 But I just specifically
00:14:27.000 Like and I did not say to myself
00:14:28.580 Okay I need to become a Shia 0.99
00:14:30.320 To love Ali and Ahlul Bayt
00:14:31.760 Of course not
00:14:32.300 Wallahi we love them
00:14:32.980 You love them
00:14:34.060 Absolutely
00:14:34.840 That's a fundamental thing
00:14:36.220 That we do my brother and sister
00:14:37.120 If you don't 0.93
00:14:37.540 You can't be a Muslim 1.00
00:14:38.180 Exactly 0.98
00:14:38.640 You can't be a Muslim 1.00
00:14:39.240 Exactly
00:14:39.720 We love them as much as you do
00:14:41.320 But we just say
00:14:42.120 We don't have to belong
00:14:43.040 To a certain group
00:14:43.820 To show that affection
00:14:44.820 And love towards them
00:14:45.540 And one thing that was really profound
00:14:47.320 Because when I was speaking
00:14:48.040 To their sister
00:14:48.520 The reason I keep emphasizing
00:14:49.660 Because she was so caught up
00:14:51.620 And she felt really hurt
00:14:52.680 I said to her sister 0.98
00:14:53.680 Do you really believe
00:14:54.260 And let me ask you this question
00:14:55.340 You're walking down the road
00:14:56.760 You see a Shia sister
00:14:58.820 Or brother in trouble
00:14:59.900 Are you going to say
00:15:00.760 Ah Shia 0.92
00:15:01.320 What's good?
00:15:02.480 No, no, no
00:15:03.000 Even if we saw a complete
00:15:05.560 A Christian
00:15:06.800 A Jew
00:15:07.500 Exactly
00:15:07.800 An atheist 1.00
00:15:08.580 Anybody in trouble
00:15:09.520 Our religion tells us
00:15:11.100 To get involved
00:15:12.480 The Prophet said, if whoever sees something evil, let him change it with his hand.
00:15:19.480 If he can't do it, then let him do it with his tongue. And if you can't, then let him at least have the hate in his heart.
00:15:24.480 And that's the lowest form of Iman. 1.00
00:15:25.480 That's the lowest form of Iman. 1.00
00:15:26.480 Exactly. So the Prophet says, I don't know if there's anything you want to add on.
00:15:28.480 The reason we did this video is just to make you understand we have our differences.
00:15:31.480 So we're not going to come here and say, let's hold hands.
00:15:34.480 We're not saying that. It's just to understand that where we're coming from, what we're doing.
00:15:37.480 It's the same with you guys. You disagree with us and you emphasize and you talk about that.
00:15:41.480 That's what we do. So we want to understand that there is not this inner form of animosity.
00:15:45.480 Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:15:46.480 And that's why was there anything else you want to add on? I think it was actually very fruitful, man.
00:15:49.480 I think it's very fruitful.
00:15:50.480 And I think that, you know, this what I've learned from the kind of last year or ever as I've been doing,
00:15:56.480 like engaging with GIs is that really, to be honest with you, there has been this kind of taboo in talking about it completely.
00:16:03.480 And I think that is the wrong approach. But it's all about how you do it.
00:16:07.480 Exactly.
00:16:08.480 You can have, you can have your belief, whatever your belief is, right?
00:16:13.480 It's about how you engage with someone who differs with you.
00:16:15.480 That's so key.
00:16:16.480 That's the key.
00:16:17.480 That's so, that's so key. And like, you know, having wisdom, because that's what it is.
00:16:21.480 And I'm sure a lot of Shia brothers and sisters watching this, they're going to say, you know what?
00:16:23.480 Look, we don't have a problem with the disagreements and the discussions, whatever.
00:16:27.480 The issue is when the animosity and the insults, and this is behaviour that we are totally against.
00:16:33.480 It's not the way to go about it.
00:16:34.480 How can I go and give?
00:16:35.480 Let's suppose our Shia brothers and sisters are wrong, yeah? 0.97
00:16:38.480 Like, there is things that we believe they are wrong, actually, yeah?
00:16:40.480 Oh, of course.
00:16:41.480 Imagine, imagine, I start off with saying, firstly, I want to say, you know, you are like this and like that and like that.
00:16:46.480 Now let's talk about why you should become a Sunni. 1.00
00:16:48.480 It's not going to work, you know?
00:16:50.480 And it's not going to work.
00:16:51.480 If I go to a Christian and start swearing with Lev Raizindah, 1.00
00:16:53.480 he's going to say, I don't want to know you about your Tawheed. 1.00
00:16:55.480 Look at your behaviour.
00:16:56.480 So that's all right, man.
00:16:57.480 Anything else you want to finish off with?
00:16:58.480 Yeah, I mean, one more thing is, I would say that, you know, from a Sunni perspective, especially youth,
00:17:04.480 I found that some people have been very angry, and rightfully so, I would say, rightfully so,
00:17:08.480 because the companions get cursed, especially by some very extreme Shia groups.
00:17:13.480 Just like we have extremist groups, in Shia we have extremist groups. 0.99
00:17:16.480 I would say, calm down, because the thing is, that happens everywhere.
00:17:21.480 People are disrespecting the Prophet Muhammad ,
00:17:24.480 who is more important to us than the Sahaba.
00:17:26.480 And people are even disrespecting Allah .
00:17:30.480 So if you can tolerate their disrespect to those respective peoples, you should be able to respect it.
00:17:35.480 That's very profound.
00:17:36.480 Sometimes we get really upset when Umar ibn Qattab, and we should, or Ali, 0.99
00:17:41.480 whoever it may be, and Allah, Allah on a daily basis.
00:17:44.480 And actually, this is a problem in the heart.
00:17:45.480 Can you imagine somebody insulting Hasan Ali, and you have a bigger problem than Allah, 0.86
00:17:50.480 or someone insulting Umar ibn Qattab and Bakr and Allah, but we have to rectify it.
00:17:55.480 Because the main fundamental thing is, we worship none other than Allah,
00:17:59.480 and our key element and our hate should be,
00:18:01.480 and when I mean hate, I'm not talking about doing some physical,
00:18:03.480 hating the action that's being done if someone is insulting Allah, you know.
00:18:06.480 But anyways, maybe that's for another topic we can discuss, Inshallah.
00:18:08.480 It's been very fruitful, man.
00:18:10.480 May Allah bless you.
00:18:11.480 BarakAllah fiq, brothers and sisters.
00:18:12.480 If you watch this, I would encourage everyone to share this with your friends and family,
00:18:15.480 especially our Shia brothers and sisters.
00:18:17.480 Share this with your friends and family, Inshallah,
00:18:19.480 and hope we can come to a common understanding, Inshallah.
00:18:22.480 And even if we don't, we can have a discussion.
00:18:23.480 We agree to disagree.
00:18:24.480 I agree to disagree.
00:18:25.480 There you go.
00:18:26.480 Thank you very much.
00:18:27.480 BarakAllah fiq.
00:18:28.480 Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
00:18:29.480 From another video from me and Baba Muhammad Ijad.