DOES BRITIAN NEED SHARIA？ - ATHEIST VS MUSLIM - SPEAKERS CORNER
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Summary
Jummah Kutbahaykum on capital punishment and why it is wrong and why we should not have it in the western world. Is capital punishment the best solution to the Western world's problems?
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and we're here today guys and we're going to see the capital punishment of two highway robbers
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who killed this innocent man's wife and here they are going to be getting their limbs cut off
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and hanged now other fucks other highway robbers are going to be looking and thinking
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that was bloody gruesome that's not true do you know why if you're too dumb not to see that right
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let's not call him dumb let's be respectful if you want to worship people like taylor swift
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madonna exactly i don't despise that whole culture i'm very i'm very i'm very anti-capital
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you know that hijab was born in this country yes in like intense
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we want to establish an amazing masjid for the sake of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala in the country of norway
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click on the link and donate now for the sake of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala quickly recount what i
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said earlier so for me capital punishment is wrong because if you if it turns out the person was
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innocent then you've claimed an innocent life and they might have been a murderer but if they weren't
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then you've actually killed someone there's no way to bring them back and i would say even if i was a
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muslim whether i was muslim or christian or atheist that's too much of a risk surely like you wouldn't
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want to take that risk for someone's life i want to hear what you say about that okay interesting so
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has a book in this when it comes to islamic jurisprudence he's somebody who is somebody
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who i follow um he has a book on islamic jurisprudence so in that book it makes it very
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categorically clear that when it comes to islam and the capital punishment people think the capital
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punishment is like i'm walking down the road in a sharia abiding state and then i see one guy and
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he is stealing and i go oh i'm gonna go and chop his hand off it doesn't work like that we have
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legal procedures we have witness statements we have a whole procedure to go through it's not as
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simple as oh this person done hey let's go and kill him it doesn't work like that we don't believe
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in vigilantism which you're like go and hunt you know bounty hunters it doesn't work like that and
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the people who try to do that will be punished why because you went and killed a soul because you
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was under the assumption assumption that he killed somebody we didn't go through the due process
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so now you are going to get the capital punishment for killing someone that's innocent because we
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didn't establish that now islam is a beautiful religion why because it deals with reality i don't
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deal we don't deal with disneyland we don't live live with like you know we're going to come here
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and i'm going to walk down the road where there's a group of folks and i'm going to say they shouldn't
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rob me no they will rob you it's a system of law it's not just a religion thank you so it's a system of
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law so what islam does is islam says we have worldly problems we need worldly solutions on the divine
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so number one there are five capital punishments there might be more on specific things islam has
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come to protect these five things your wealth your lineage your mind your religion and your
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another one another one i can't remember so now the first one is your wealth there is a capital
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punishment on somebody that steals a specific amount the capital punishment is that their hand
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will be cut off you said that do you think that's justified that's that's perfectly justified
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would that be a law you'd want to introduce in the united kingdom i believe if this law was applied
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england will be much a safe place to walk and people will prosper i'll come to why number two
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it came to protect your mind okay came to protect your uh and also like for example your religion
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that's why there's a capital punishment on those who apostate treason there is come to protect your
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lineage so would you want a punishment in the united kingdom for muslims who converge for no it doesn't
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work like that so if there'll be a capital punishment there'll be a due process so it's not about
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it's not about me wanting it's about that i believe it's the best solution for the western world
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then there's a capital punishment for adultery so islam has come to protect your lineage so that
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you know your kids are your kids yeah so there's a capital punishment adultery for both men and women
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so again this is a law that you want to see introduced in the united kingdom yeah yeah 100% yeah
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so i believe it's i believe it's the best thing to happen and i'll tell you why because now we can
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talk about oh that sounds cruel but let's talk about to me to me it does sound cruel it sounds very um
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you know why because the thing it sounds authoritarian it sounds very tyrannical yeah
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you know why because that doesn't mean i support theft and adultery and all that i just think this
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kind of punishment i've been to saudi arabia yes saudi arabia is very safe country but that's also
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a very brutalized culture to do that to people saudi arabia is a fine example it's a much safer
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country than britain it is it is but what i will say is this there is a saying mercy to the oppressor
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is oppression to the innocent to have mercy on the oppressor is to have oppression on the innocent
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so the first the logic behind is this i'm not going to have mercy on a outright maniac
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who's going to come and cause rape kill theft cause disorder on the land that's why in surah
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maidah in the quran chapter 5 it talks about highway robbers and it says if you catch them
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you should cut off their limbs from either side left arm right leg right arm left leg and then
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you should crucify them now sounds very harsh sounds medieval no very medieval no problem
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this is the reason why this is the reason why islam believes in this we would rather capital
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give a capital punishment in the most severe way on a group of fucks where you are going on your
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business to a trip with your wife and kids and they stop you in gunpoint and shoot your wife
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in the head steal your money and run away islam says we will deal with these individuals in such
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a severe way that there's actually verse in the quran when it talks about warfare it says strike
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them in such a way that the ones behind them see and run off the point is what islam is here to
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save life to preserve life your way of doing it the liberal way of doing it is they stole
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don't do it again why is it the case you're gonna ps5 in prison you might have lunch islam says no
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let me just finish this point forgive me for give me a lecture i just want you to understand i don't
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want to do injustice to it so islam says the one who stopped you when you was going peacefully to
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your way on a trip shoot your wife in the head in front of your kids these people deserve the
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severest capital punishment in public so imagine speaker's corner and we're like we're here today
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guys and we're going to see the capital punishment of two highway robbers who killed this innocent
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man's wife and here they are going to be getting their limbs cut off and hanged now other fucks
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other highway robbers are going to be looking and thinking that was bloody gruesome that's not true
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do you know why and i'll explain why why islam during during so i think you know the history of
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speaker's corner yes it's basically speaker's corner they used to have heretics they used to
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have a gallows it was three pieces of wood in a triangle raised up on a scaffold and they would
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they could hang i think three or four people on each folks gathering around i think they only stopped
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doing this a couple hundred years ago it's not that long ago and yet crime was far worse then than
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it is now far worse it wasn't that capital yeah crime crime in the in england london was a far more
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dangerous place in the 1750s to the 1850s than it is in 2014 24 it was far more dangerous or i think
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of the example of the united states more dangerous country more violent crime more thefts um higher
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incidents of rape and yet they have a far more uh capital punishment focused system not all the states
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but many of them so for me i think we've got to be careful now on the other hand it's true that china
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and saudi arabia they have capital punishment and they are safer and i tell you so i i'm admitting
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that it's not like a clear-cut issue i'm going to tell you but we have to be very careful and say
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well look if someone if someone attacked my wife killed my wife of course i'd be absolutely there's no
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emotion to describe would you want them forgiven there'll be no way to describe the emotion however
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i do believe as someone this might be because of my christian upbringing even though i'm not a
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christian now i do think forgiveness is the appropriate solution that doesn't mean you let them
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have freedom that's interesting because forgiveness is for yourself forgiveness is about
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letting go of the anger if you have someone who carries around anger in your heart you're going
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to have a higher rate of heart attack all kinds of stress illness so to forgive the person who did
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that crime is a way of not saying it's okay to commit the crime it's a way of saying for you you're
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at peace like you can move on and i know this i think in islamic there's a rule there's a space for
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that there's a space for that so there's not it's not necessarily either or just that we have to be
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careful like the example i gave in the uk an innocent man was put to death by the state after
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due process after due process for a crime he didn't commit now how many people in saudi arabia or in
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the united states or in china have been put to death under islamic law under christian inspired laws
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under communist inspired laws right they've been put to death wrongly because and there's no way to
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come back from that and i just think you may be overlooking the risk involved there okay so let's break
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down a bit because there's a few points that you mentioned in islam allah says in the khunaan
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that there's uh for example a murder an eye for an eye so we believe in an eye for an eye yeah
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however allah says that there's also blood money that can be paid that can be set the discretion of
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the family so they can ask for blood money and i'm afraid allah does say that it is better if you forgive
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so allah says it's better if you forgive he was a peacemaker i respect that yeah it's better if you
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forgive that's at the discretion of the family not going to a court and then this person who committed this
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massacre or whatever then all of a sudden the judges that give this uh the the ruling they do
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such an injustice by saying five years or ten years and then the family is distraught the family's
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distraught why because it's injustice the family's members life has been taken they should have the
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choice of eye for an eye blood money of forgiving them so now coming to you made you made something
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very interesting and i was thinking about this in certain situations in america there's a capital
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punishment electric chair the injection all that kind of stuff and sometimes it doesn't work now i
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wouldn't say it doesn't work because islam deals with the situation from a micro level to a macro level
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which means the following islam says we get rid of all kind of evil around us meaning the following now
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again for example a woman being sexually objectified there was a study done in american university where
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they showed a group of men half naked girls okay a woman in bikini the part of the brain that lit up
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for two years lit up meaning he saw the woman as an inanimate object why because pornography the
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hypersexualization that we live in the beauty industry and i don't have an idea i was driving on the a406 and
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i saw a steel company you know steel metal steel and there was an inappropriate woman dressed next
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to her i'm thinking what the flipping hell has the steel got to do with that woman i was very i was
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like what is the correlation is this woman made of sex sells and sells products now the point is the
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following what islam does it says we are not going to sexually objectify a woman anywhere nobody so we're
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seeing islam is going to make sure but there is zero reasons for you to even think of doing evil to
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any woman zero you can't come and say oh you know but no no and by the way just a disclaimer nowhere
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does islam say that because a man cannot control himself the woman needs to wear the hijab it's not
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from our religion islam does not say you are an animal that's why you just because you're an animal
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the woman is a cover-up this is not from islam of course there's a verse that says that there might
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be idiots that try to you know try to talk in improperly look at how many women i can bring any
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woman here and ask them have you been cackle she's saying 100 i've been cackle today maybe 50 times
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we're seeing islam deals with in such a way it says women should not be sexually objectified so
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therefore now when you live the illness from the society when a man goes and tries to rape a woman
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touch it inappropriately talk to an appropriate way there is severe consequences why because for what
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perverted reason for what reason have you decided to assault this woman you have zero reasons that's
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why the capital punishment is so severe why now number two when it comes to theft but you haven't
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addressed my point about what if there was due process you have judges you have the whole system
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and yet there's a mistake i mean humans are fallible and instead of having put them in prison and then
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being able to release them from prison after accepting it was a mistake yeah it's too late
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you put the man to death your world view cannot answer that but but my world view can why now i'm
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going to come to that remind me the question i'm going to come to that i think the problem is now
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you've avoided the question with all due respect you've avoided the question twice now and i'd like
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there is room within even islamic countries with due process with islamic law to make mistakes yeah
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and if they accidentally put someone to death who's innocent yeah that's a major stain on the
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conscience of that country okay so what i think yeah it's not an accident it's a willful negligible
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yeah and i appreciate people who have had crimes done to them are furious and they're angry
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and that's very understandable but if it turns out that actually miss accused someone falsely accused
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someone maybe it was a mistake you didn't accuse the wrong person and they've ended up dead
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there's nothing to bring that person back you've committed a major crime to your world view
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so what i'm saying the reason why i'm saying this even if i was a muslim i'd have concerns
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over this i'd be very concerned about accidentally putting to death another muslim i i will tell you
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why not now i just want to answer something i'm not avoiding it there's a question you asked you said
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that there are countries that have capital punishment where the crime rate is high so i had to answer
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that so i'm answering that telling you why when you apply capital punishment to a corrupt society
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of course it won't be a solution so that's not the model that is for example that's a fair argument
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that is not the model islam is bringing islam is saying we deal with the problem from the
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foundations if you don't deal with it if you don't deal with the foundations my friend i can have an
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execution where it cuts man slowly slice by slice there'll still be theft why because the society
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holistically is corrupt we islam says we deal with the evils in society then you apply the capital
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punishment because otherwise if you for example when it comes to theft just touch upon that i'll go to your
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point when it comes to theft islamically if somebody holds money in his hand if he has a thousand
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pounds in his hand and he's walking down the road do you think the person who steals from him gets the
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capital punishment i'm not sure what the situation not really you know why because now you are provoking
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it's a it's an act of provocation because why islam says a person who breaks into a house
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goes to the safe steals a specific amount sold by steam by a witness gets a capital punishment
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because what islam says is was he triggered was he poor is it the state's fault of course because
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it goes back to why because prevention is better than cure we islam's model is exactly what you're
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saying did now i'm saying in that instance let's go with now your answer if they put to death a person
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who is innocent now we're seeing there is due process that the for example do you know what's the
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requirements for capital punishment adultery in islam uh no i don't know okay so it's turning to death
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right no no we know what the the how you execute it it's how do you come to the conclusion of the
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guilt okay so there was an instance that happened at the time of again umar ibn khattab islam yeah
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so uh now and actually just before that i'll just add something the prophet muhammad once was
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on his own a woman came and said i have committed adultery and i want the capital punishment
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this is for my narrations it might sound a bit bizarre so the prophet moved away from her
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she said oh measure of allah i have committed capital punishment and i would like the capital
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punishment the prophet moved away from her now why is the prophet moving away from i'm trying to
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understand in this hadith why is he keep avoiding her and there was another instance where a man came
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said the same thing and the prophet said maybe he just kissed her why is he adding that word to his
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mouth the point is the following islam doesn't want capital punishment islam is not a
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blood-thirsty vampire like oh we cannot wait islam is here to preserve life but the reason why
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the prophet was doing that is to tell him go and repent for a woman to be accused of adultery you
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need or a man you need four witnesses four witnesses who say we saw it's it's more witnesses
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for a woman than a man right no it's not it's the same is it not yes this is a big misconception yeah
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the capital punishment is for a man there's no gender description description four witnesses have
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to say we saw the penis go inside the vagina like so not he was on top she was on top did you see
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the people because if four people come and say she was on top of him they could all be liars no they
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can't because now are you telling me you cannot think of a single situation where four people can't
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lie now now it's a human beings are not now it's a mass conspiracy because because witnesses we all know from
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studying witnesses in many cases yes you'll have a car crash happen on a street and the police will
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go around and interview 10 different people yeah and they'll get 10 different images of what happened
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and some of them will outright lie yeah there's going to be situations like that now i'm all for
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someone going to prison for rape i'm all for that but they do putting them to death just because four
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witnesses have given an account you're saying that in every single case those witnesses are 100%
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not going to lie you're saying you're saying that in every single case witnesses have ever given the
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testimony they haven't lied so you're potentially putting innocent people to death in the name of a
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of a holy book and for me that's for me i have to say it's it's barbaric when christians do it it's
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barbaric when any religion does it even islam and i i i say that i don't say that lightly or to be
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insulting because i have a lot of respect for many of the things in islam and any other religion but i
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think we have to be careful this was a text coming out of the seventh century the prophet was trying to
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make peace among tribal cultures that had a very revenge-based system of thinking right it was in my
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arab uh you know tribes of people and there was a lot of disorder and he was trying to bring some
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harmony right kind of like genghis khan bringing together a lot of the different tribes in the
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steep of asia i don't see in two like how many thousand years later how applicable that is we have
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to have a dynamic and like flexible and aware approach as a way of change we can't stay fossilized
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in a particular time and place right even within islam you have a very clear um emphasis on growth
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and change and on trying to understand things from different perspectives it's not like a rigid
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you know they encourage debate and discussion which is what you're all doing here now right
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i don't know you've all grown up in backgrounds you've got to try and think where you came
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why you came to this perspective is it just because your parents told you
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it's just because you heard it in a book or it's because someone told you repeatedly as a child
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or did you actually come up with it yourself because you weighed up the facts
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you know that's why i just say to be careful you might be advocating and i don't think you're
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doing it on purpose you're putting people to death and they may be innocent they may be innocent
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because you're making an assumption that those witnesses will always be telling the truth and
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they may not you've added that because the thing is just to add on because i didn't finish my point
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was that oh sorry no no it's fine it's fine it's fine the four witnesses we're talking about just people
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okay we're talking about people who are not known to be liars okay what we're seeing and by the way
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by the way in the sharii if you look at statistics even when it was given by the ottoman empire
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only in islam maybe you will count with your hands how many times capital punishment was applied because
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you know why it is such a rare occasion to find a man and a woman if they're going to be in the house
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so to find a man and woman in public in public having intimacy and four people all of a sudden come
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and see this actually happened three companions four of them they came to him and said we saw
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this man having intimacy with this woman they came to umar khattab went to all of them
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and said did you see it happen said yes we saw the pen go in the ink we saw the pen go in the ink
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we saw the pen go in the ink they came to the fourth companion did you see that umar khattab said did you
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see that he said how do you know they weren't lying how do you know i'll tell you i'll tell you why
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because they definitely saw it now how do you know i'll tell you were you there no no i wasn't
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there so many of many of the hadiths were written as hearsay they weren't written by eyewitnesses
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if you know anything about hadith history you're talking about the bible there were
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there were sayings of muhammad from oh i heard him tell me that he said this that he said this
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we have a whole science behind it i'll tell you later so the fourth one said i think i saw them
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they all got lashed all of them got lashed towards slander why because again islam is not there to
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apply it but rather use it as a tool because now in the western world you talk about barbarism
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we're living in barbarism we're living in barbarism there are many barbaric things about western
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culture i'm not very aware of i agree but that doesn't mean we should adopt more barbarism to deal with
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that my friend don't play what about you this is what you're calling barbarism i'm telling you this
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is the solution to your whole problem which is what how many do you know how many kids are out
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that they don't know their father and they are committing incest with their own brother because
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they don't know they're in the same vicinity and their father was a player who stepped with 20 women
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impregnated most of them and there are children marrying each other from incest you don't need
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islam to fix that problem you need islam you can fix that problem without islam you can fix that
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you are thirsty for islam with all your respect the western world is thirsty for the sharia let me
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tell you what can i ask you a quick question if the majority of british people rejected the idea
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that you should create islamic laws in the uk would you still want to push it on to the western
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public i'm not going to push anything to anybody i'm telling you an idea that would be a solution for
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you but would you want to use persuasion and like discussion or do you want to enact it in
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parliament without the consent of the public even over democratically if 51 of the muslims come and say
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we want sharia do you know what happened there'll be a blood buff because the western world would
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fight us for it and you know in a way quite right and you know that and by the way i'm not saying
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the western leaders are innocent angels what you said is very fundamental you know why because
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imagine imagine if christian you don't believe in no imagine i don't believe britain is a democracy
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one second you don't i don't believe britain because i said if 51 of the vote words for muslims
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to have a sharia law there will be civil war you know why they do not want it in their country
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because democracy when muslims come and say we don't want your liberal views on our country
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you come and democracy is not enough by itself you need human rights if the majority of if the
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majority of a community decided to go and pollute a river and destroy a river and then poison the
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river down which liberalism is doing yes and we're muslims are saying get out of the river that doesn't
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mean that that doesn't mean that democracy is always correct the majority opinion is not always
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correct thank you so i agree with you i agree with you know what that means we say this is i just want
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consistency which i appreciate which is what that if democratically islamic islamic mps or whatever
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you call it for that matter we voted and said we won the sharia they would never accept it you know
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why this is a big lie that we believe in democracy and freedom of speech brother they are liars they
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don't believe because sharia law would depend on human rights they believe no democracy is not the
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only value the only one that's impeding human rights is the western world the western world is
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slaughtering that's just not true i'm sorry let me tell you the egyptian government is treating
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people brutally do you know what barbarism is to you let me tell you what barbarism is to you
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somebody coming here and hacking someone to death you're like that's barbaric i'm like hold on a
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second do you know there's one million people have stds in london that's barbaric man can you imagine
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one million people stds sexually transmitted diseases that you're going to carry on to somebody else
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that's barbarism i would encourage everyone to fact check that i don't know how true that is
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you can check it look check that maybe i've been generous let's call it 250 000 too many one too
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many number two two wrongs don't make a right number two one second two wrongs don't make a right
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how many women are sexually harassed sexually raped in the western world in the western world that is
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barbarism how many people who are walking down the road i can remember when i was young bro i got robbed
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three four times man had a nice gold chain there was a i was a muslim then i could wear gold chains there
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i got robbed how many times i know many people who have lost their lives there's
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there's robbery and destruction in afghanistan and in iraq too this is what i'm saying you wish even
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before we invaded and have a problem don't don't from mother us but there's crime there's crime all
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over the world not just in the west to act as if the west is the only place with crime is very
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you know why because they've got laws there we don't have the same laws thank you do you know why
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because we've been sexualized in the last few years you're yeah can i just i've been to the
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middle east and the trans people are coming out thank you because they never used to do that before
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but we've been sexualized if you're too dumb not to see that right if you're if you want to
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let's not put him down let's be respectful let's be respectful okay let's be respectful
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if you want to worship people like taylor swift madonna i don't exactly i don't right
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i don't despise that whole culture i'm very i'm very i'm very i'm very anti-capitalist
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you know that hijab was born in this country yes in like intense and why was that well in many
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ways as far as i understand modesty islam got the hijab from the west no modesty do you know why
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me they did originally yeah from my understanding of history there's nothing about the hijab
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and let me tell you something it comes from there is it comes from portugal comes from places outside of
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what do you think about lgbt people all right let's listen to this one let's listen to this one
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all right i'm quite skeptical you get one village full of muslims 5 000 muslims and you get another
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village full of lgbt people the muslim village with five continued the lg well the lesbians aren't
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going to have any children the gays aren't going to be children the trans they've screwed their bodies up
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the bisexuals don't know what they're doing the asexuals don't even want to be there
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you think they should throw them in prison no i think their village will just they'll have no children
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so you have 5 000 lgbt yeah yeah so what about you know the fertility rate in turkey is going
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down as well man please can we have all right because of the western world do you understand
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it's far more islamic than we are no it's not no no no do you understand the values of lgbt
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they produce nothing i understand you but you made great point you made great point the reason is
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one second i'm seeing barbarism did i tell you what barbarism is by the way if there's there's a book
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that i always recommend to all the females yeah beauty sick the biggest barbarism is to reduce a
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woman to a mere sexual object that the only thing that she believes she has is her body that is the
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biggest barbarism i've seen that a woman has to go make up and spend two hours to do makeup she's
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afraid you know there was a study done by the way i agree when covid was going on you know we had to wear
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the masks guess what women were wearing the mask even they were told that they don't have to anymore
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and they asked him why because they said i don't want to be judged based on my appearance
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that is barbarism that is the greatest form of barbarism so islam has come to say as a woman
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we have a woman here there's one sister here there are many solutions without religion let me tell you
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something this is what i'm saying look you haven't even tested it what i'm saying is this as a woman i
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come and say to the sister you are more than a sexual object you are a human being you have so much
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to offer the bloody planet not i'm going to go to brazil get button plants and die in the process of the
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bloody martyr which happened by the way or some guy coming and saying i feel like being a piano today
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i'm a piano i'm going to marry a tree so the point is when you have these issues this is the reason
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why i say you might call it barbarism but i swear to god one highway robber being executed in speaker's
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corner when everybody's watching best believe that let me tell you something what's more disgusting
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is those innocent people being robbed by those highway robbers because they get a slap in the hand
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and play playstation 5 gta in prison look thank you very much we'll leave it there there's probably
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a million things i wanted to ask you about thanks guys for listening it's great to be good
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