Ali Dawah - July 22, 2024


DOES ISLAM FAVOUR MEN？ - SHE DIDN'T LIKE RESPONSE


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348

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39

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In this episode, we talk about the role of women in the modern world and how they should be the sole provider for their families. We also talk about why it is important for a woman to be the primary provider for her family.

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00:00:00.900 See?
00:00:01.940 But that's what I'm saying.
00:00:02.660 You just did that.
00:00:03.420 You belittled what women have to do.
00:00:06.680 You belittled it.
00:00:07.460 My dear sister, look, look. 0.63
00:00:08.900 You belittled it.
00:00:09.860 I wonder why that is.
00:00:11.880 Maybe it's all the responsibilities we have.
00:00:14.260 Maybe it's the fact that we take care of the household and the children and you.
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00:00:43.100 This is a topic that's quite, you can make scissors emotional.
00:00:46.500 They don't understand.
00:00:47.580 But can we look at the bigger picture?
00:00:49.560 Because look, there are things in Islam that doesn't make me happy. 1.00
00:00:52.380 Can I mention some of them to you?
00:00:53.500 Or for example, the fact that I'm the maintaining protector.
00:00:56.760 Why am I the maintaining protector?
00:00:58.140 Why can't my wife be the maintaining protector? 1.00
00:00:59.520 Can we just accept that nowadays, in the modern world, that's not even realistic for the man to be the exclusive provider?
00:01:06.780 But he has to.
00:01:07.760 Because of austerity, because of the cost of living.
00:01:10.460 Women have to work too. 1.00
00:01:11.680 I understand.
00:01:12.780 So what difference is there between us?
00:01:14.940 Other than your ability to physically protect me.
00:01:18.240 Okay, so what I'm saying is the following.
00:01:20.680 A Muslim woman has every right to tell her husband, I do not want to work and you have to provide for me and he has to. 0.97
00:01:28.320 Do you think, if we look at it from a liberal point of view, do you think that it's fair?
00:01:33.040 Do I believe that it's fair?
00:01:34.220 So that the woman has the right and Muslim woman has the right. 0.75
00:01:36.700 I think both should agree to what they contribute.
00:01:38.680 Okay.
00:01:38.860 And if they're happy with that agreement.
00:01:40.060 Okay, we agree to what Allah has commanded us, which is the following.
00:01:43.240 That the Muslim woman has the right to tell her husband, you have to be the sole provider. 1.00
00:01:47.940 Now, would you agree that that will put a lot of burden on the man?
00:01:51.120 Oh, man.
00:01:52.520 It depends on the context.
00:01:54.040 Okay, so for example, in the Western world.
00:01:56.480 No, but now, it's more difficult for one man to go and work.
00:01:59.480 Yeah, sorry.
00:02:01.100 Yeah, I took a screenshot of it.
00:02:02.640 That's fine, we'll talk about it.
00:02:03.360 So what I'm saying is, just so we can understand here, that Islam, there's this notion that Islam favours men.
00:02:08.220 That's not true.
00:02:09.260 Islam, in Islam, a Muslim woman has every right to tell her husband, I do not want to work anymore. 1.00
00:02:13.440 I want to be a housewife and I want you to fully provide.
00:02:16.640 In a liberal point of view.
00:02:17.700 Can you not?
00:02:19.460 No, no, it's going to blow you.
00:02:21.300 It's my cameraman.
00:02:21.840 It's going to blow you.
00:02:23.000 So my point is this, my dear sister, is the following.
00:02:27.380 A Muslim woman has the right to tell her husband, you have to be the sole provider and I'm staying at home looking after the kids. 1.00
00:02:32.820 Is that fair on the man?
00:02:35.780 From a liberal point of view.
00:02:37.420 I'm going to go work and you're going to be at home with the kids and, you know.
00:02:41.580 I think that you say you don't like the fact that that's exclusively your burden to carry.
00:02:47.040 I have no problem because Allah commanded it.
00:02:48.520 But I'm saying from a liberal point of view, is that fair for a man?
00:02:50.700 I don't know your name.
00:02:52.060 My name is Ali, sister.
00:02:52.960 What's your name?
00:02:53.180 Sorry, Ali.
00:02:54.300 Ali.
00:02:54.680 Yeah, what's your name, sister?
00:02:56.220 Samina.
00:02:56.660 Sister Samina, may Allah bless you, inshallah.
00:02:57.880 Where are you from, sister Samina?
00:02:59.080 I'm from India originally.
00:03:00.120 Oh, okay, all right.
00:03:00.620 And you're born Muslim?
00:03:01.820 Yeah.
00:03:02.000 Yeah, so Ali, you started with, oh, there are some things about Islam that make me uncomfortable.
00:03:06.440 Such as the fact that I'm exclusively the provider and the protector, okay?
00:03:10.680 You said that, right?
00:03:11.460 I didn't say I'm comfortable.
00:03:13.340 I'm happy with that.
00:03:13.980 What Allah said.
00:03:14.560 Worth to that effect.
00:03:15.260 Worth to that effect.
00:03:15.540 No, no, because that can be...
00:03:16.320 You accept it.
00:03:17.220 You accept it.
00:03:18.000 No, I fully embrace it.
00:03:19.020 Yeah, you fully embrace it.
00:03:19.240 And I know it's difficult, but I have to.
00:03:20.840 Exactly, but you think it's difficult.
00:03:22.240 It is difficult.
00:03:22.500 Have you ever thought about how difficult it is to exclusively be responsible for the
00:03:26.620 children and the household?
00:03:27.820 How much of a toll that can take?
00:03:29.180 Because you're the sole educator, and you have more of an impact on those children emotionally
00:03:33.280 and otherwise than your husband does.
00:03:34.940 Have you ever thought about that responsibility?
00:03:36.580 Yeah, I accept that.
00:03:37.480 I accept that.
00:03:37.800 Because when you go to work and you provide, you can clock out whenever you clock out.
00:03:41.300 For women, raising children is a 24-7 responsibility. 1.00
00:03:45.200 There is no downtime whatsoever.
00:03:47.580 Not only does she look after the children, but she has to take care of you too. 0.81
00:03:50.580 You know, rub your feet, cook for you.
00:03:52.500 Etc.
00:03:53.180 Whatever whim, you know, you may have, she appeases because she's the obedient wife.
00:03:57.580 Have you guys thought about the women's role and how difficult that might be too?
00:04:02.300 So it's not a question of, oh, it's difficult for you.
00:04:04.460 It's difficult for both of us.
00:04:06.480 I've never said that it's not difficult for both of us.
00:04:08.600 You came from the angle as if it's only difficult for the woman and not the man.
00:04:11.340 That's why I mentioned that.
00:04:12.400 I didn't come and say, I didn't say women don't have it hard.
00:04:15.740 I never said that.
00:04:16.240 The way you were framing this scenario is, actually, women don't have to do much. 1.00
00:04:21.340 Because they don't have to go out into the world and work.
00:04:23.580 I never said that.
00:04:24.040 That's our responsibility.
00:04:25.220 They can just sit at home, you know, play with the kids.
00:04:28.300 But it's not that simple, is it?
00:04:29.260 I never said that.
00:04:29.840 Anything, it's harder for women. 1.00
00:04:31.760 I wouldn't say it's harder for women. 1.00
00:04:32.820 You're not just taking care of the children.
00:04:33.720 I wouldn't say it's hard for women because you do realise that, for example, I have a mother.
00:04:36.740 You know, with work, you can compartmentalise.
00:04:39.860 Women can't compartmentalise. 1.00
00:04:41.260 We're working 24-7.
00:04:42.540 Okay, sister.
00:04:43.140 So let's just break this down because let's just not speak of each other.
00:04:45.220 Let's break it down.
00:04:46.140 Do you agree that a man, for example, is the sole responsible for his wife?
00:04:50.860 In what sense?
00:04:51.600 That's very open-ended.
00:04:53.520 To provide and protect for her?
00:04:55.320 Yeah, providing and protecting.
00:04:57.220 Okay, good.
00:04:57.560 Does he also need to protect and provide for his daughter?
00:05:00.700 And, yeah, and his son before he's of age?
00:05:03.260 Not necessarily, but I'm talking to a certain level.
00:05:05.780 A woman needs a guardian from the moment she's born to the day she dies. 1.00
00:05:09.100 Do I need to also look after my mother?
00:05:10.820 So why does Saudi Arabia say you can do Hajj?
00:05:12.840 I don't follow Saudi Arabia.
00:05:13.960 I follow Islam.
00:05:14.680 So my dear sister, a man has to look after his mother, his sister, his daughter and his wife. 0.87
00:05:19.280 So when you come and say it's solely his wife, no, it's not.
00:05:21.100 But they also look after you?
00:05:22.380 My sister, I never said you don't.
00:05:23.600 I'm not having a gender war here by saying I do more and you don't.
00:05:26.660 The reason I'm saying that is I'm trying to make you understand from our perspective
00:05:29.560 because the issue is polygamy.
00:05:31.000 And you said it's as difficult for us women. 0.90
00:05:32.360 And I said 100%.
00:05:32.960 I've never said it's not.
00:05:34.100 But if we look at the bigger picture, there are things that we are told to do as men
00:05:37.040 that, for example, it causes...
00:05:40.520 We can even lose our life, for example, when it comes to war.
00:05:42.760 We are told to go to war.
00:05:44.540 Now, I can come and say, well, why am I going to war?
00:05:46.620 Why don't you go to war? 0.60
00:05:47.840 Why don't my wife go to war? 1.00
00:05:48.860 Why don't you guys go to war?
00:05:49.620 I'll sit at home and make biryani.
00:05:51.820 See?
00:05:52.660 But that's what I'm saying.
00:05:53.400 You just did that.
00:05:53.980 You belittled what women have to do.
00:05:57.420 You belittled it.
00:05:58.200 My dear sister, look, look. 0.63
00:05:59.680 You belittled it.
00:06:00.460 Did you belittle...
00:06:02.460 How often do you have to go to war?
00:06:03.840 See, this is what I'm saying.
00:06:04.860 That's once in a lifetime, ever.
00:06:06.060 If I go to war once in a lifetime, that's once in a lifetime death.
00:06:09.280 All right.
00:06:09.960 Do you know statistically that married women die sooner than married men?
00:06:13.880 Do you know statistically...
00:06:14.400 Married women die... 1.00
00:06:15.300 Married women die sooner than married men. 1.00
00:06:18.680 As far as I know...
00:06:18.980 As far as I know...
00:06:19.980 I wonder why that is.
00:06:21.640 Maybe it's all the responsibilities we have.
00:06:24.340 Maybe it's the fact that we take care of the household and the children and you and our brothers and our sisters and our fathers.
00:06:30.460 You have no right to take care of them.
00:06:31.940 My dear sister, look, let's just break this down.
00:06:33.560 But we do.
00:06:34.160 Because Islamically, we're taught to care for every human within our proximity.
00:06:39.640 Sister, why are we making this a gender war? 1.00
00:06:41.000 I'm trying to say to you, there are things that Allah has prescribed for you that is...
00:06:43.740 You belittled women when you said, all I have to do is to harm a bit very early.
00:06:46.580 Sister, sister, sister, can you please listen to understand me, not listen to reply?
00:06:52.580 I said to you, war is not a joke.
00:06:55.380 There are bullets flying towards you.
00:06:57.020 There's rockets, grenades.
00:06:58.020 I don't disagree with you.
00:06:58.660 Okay, good.
00:06:59.140 So I'm saying the following.
00:07:00.740 To your logic, I'm saying there are things, if I was to use my liberal mind frame, that seems more oppressive to men than women. 0.97
00:07:07.440 If I was to look at Islam and say, hold on a second, let's weigh up the responsibilities of a man and a woman, which one has it worse off? 0.97
00:07:13.900 I would say men.
00:07:15.040 Why?
00:07:15.320 Because we have to go to war.
00:07:16.700 When I'm walking down with my wife and a man tries to say something, I have to put my life on the line, fight him and even die at the course by defending her because she's not physically strong.
00:07:24.680 And then when it comes to many other things, responsibilities, not only for my...
00:07:27.720 How often is your wife at night and how often do you go to war?
00:07:29.680 My dear sister, it is not about how often I go to war.
00:07:33.060 Because I can go to war, I can go to war on the edge of a road with two guys who's got a knife who's trying to kill my wife and I have to put my life on the line.
00:07:38.660 So, I'm also, for example, when there's this ship in sinks, sister, who goes first?
00:07:43.100 The men or the children and women? 0.99
00:07:45.020 The men do.
00:07:46.100 No, no, men don't. 0.92
00:07:47.060 No, men die first. 0.99
00:07:47.840 No, women. 1.00
00:07:48.260 No, I mean...
00:07:48.900 Thank you.
00:07:49.580 So, what I'm saying is we have no problem with that.
00:07:51.660 Look, as men...
00:07:52.200 I've never suggested that men and women are literally the same.
00:07:54.660 Good, so what I'm saying is that you're making a scene as if Islam... 0.97
00:07:58.200 But I think we all have, we both have equal burdens.
00:08:00.740 Good, but that's what I'm saying.
00:08:01.620 Our burdens are equal.
00:08:01.940 Thank you.
00:08:02.580 I wouldn't say equal.
00:08:03.640 I wouldn't say it's equal.
00:08:05.260 I think we both go through different trials.
00:08:07.140 But all I'm trying to say is, sister, I don't want to have a gender war and you against me.
00:08:10.340 You're my sister in Islam.
00:08:11.480 I'm just saying this issue of polygamy, which is troubling for you, I understand that.
00:08:15.040 But what I'm saying is, my dear sister, is that we cannot come and say Islam is oppressive or Islam is not. 0.93
00:08:19.700 Because, no, I never said you did.
00:08:21.060 I'm speaking generally.
00:08:21.580 I never said the sister does that, yeah?
00:08:23.560 I'm just saying, my dear sister, when it comes to polygamy, polygamy has come to protect the right of a woman. 0.99
00:08:28.100 How?
00:08:28.500 Because there are men who have the propensity to want more than one woman.
00:08:31.380 So, if you look at non-Muslim women... 1.00
00:08:33.140 Can you tell me something I don't know?
00:08:34.560 Well, I don't know if you know or not.
00:08:35.600 No, I just met you, sister.
00:08:36.320 Tell me, tell me why.
00:08:37.800 What's the issue, exactly?
00:08:39.460 No, I'm just trying to understand the Quran's treatment of women in some respects.
00:08:43.580 Okay, let's talk about it.
00:08:44.260 What are some things that are here?
00:08:45.380 The first scenario that I don't necessarily find troubling, but I'm struggling to understand,
00:08:50.760 is the testimony of one man is the equivalent of two women.
00:08:54.200 Why?
00:08:54.220 Okay, yeah.
00:08:54.840 Yeah.
00:08:55.260 Given we're intellectually the same.
00:08:56.820 No, no, okay.
00:08:57.260 No, no.
00:08:57.500 Firstly, you said we are intellectually same.
00:08:59.180 Like, what do you mean by intellectually same?
00:09:00.480 Right, so men might use certain aspects of their brain in different ways to women and vice 0.98
00:09:05.000 versa.
00:09:05.500 Yeah.
00:09:05.600 But you have your strengths and we have our strengths.
00:09:06.980 So, generally speaking, intellectually, we are the same.
00:09:09.840 We're just as intellectually capable as men.
00:09:11.880 Okay, no, okay.
00:09:12.540 So, from what I'm saying, when you're talking about intake, like, for example, that's why
00:09:14.580 Islam allows a woman to work. 0.99
00:09:16.440 So, in certain areas.
00:09:17.260 Islam doesn't say a woman cannot work... 1.00
00:09:18.760 Yeah, but Khatija was a businesswoman. 1.00
00:09:19.360 No, no, exactly.
00:09:19.960 No, no, no, exactly.
00:09:20.880 But Khatija was not like those boss businesswomen of today, please. 0.73
00:09:23.680 Let's not get...
00:09:24.160 Khatija...
00:09:24.480 That was a shant. 1.00
00:09:25.400 Yeah, trust me.
00:09:25.880 No, because there's a lot of sisters who are like, oh, it's a businesswoman. 1.00
00:09:27.580 Trust me, she obeyed her husband.
00:09:29.460 She was obedient to her husband.
00:09:30.760 She's the one who proposed in a decent manner to her husband.
00:09:32.920 She married the man that the prophet, peace be upon him.
00:09:34.480 And guess what?
00:09:34.860 She picked him to manage her affairs in the business.
00:09:37.320 Today, woman... 1.00
00:09:39.400 Today's...
00:09:39.840 I'm not generalizing at all.
00:09:40.940 I'm not generalizing at all.
00:09:42.080 But what I'm saying is, my dear sister, is that that's the thing.
00:09:44.660 Now, you said something about...
00:09:46.040 Now, as men and women, we are different.
00:09:47.100 Do you understand that you have...
00:09:48.240 No, I'm coming to testimony, sister, yeah?
00:09:50.240 Okay.
00:09:50.720 So, when it comes to, for example, does woman go through menopause?
00:09:53.740 Sorry?
00:09:53.980 Do women go through menopause? 1.00
00:09:56.240 Okay, good.
00:09:56.880 Do they have periods?
00:09:57.920 Yeah.
00:09:58.240 Okay, these periods have an effect on the emotional imbalances.
00:10:00.660 Is that correct?
00:10:01.640 Some women, but... 1.00
00:10:03.460 So, what do you mean, some women? 1.00
00:10:04.300 Yeah, some women. 1.00
00:10:04.900 Every man has testosterone.
00:10:06.180 But, sister, I doubt it.
00:10:06.820 No, all women are impacted by PMS.
00:10:09.060 One second.
00:10:09.640 Some are free of PMS.
00:10:10.800 Sister, sister.
00:10:11.500 I'm a woman.
00:10:11.840 I know other women. 1.00
00:10:13.100 And I know...
00:10:13.980 Sister, it's like me telling you men are not impacted by testosterone.
00:10:17.840 It has an extreme...
00:10:19.000 And even there are studies that show, when it comes to intimacy, for example,
00:10:22.780 the way a man's desire towards a woman.
00:10:24.820 It's not the same...
00:10:25.200 So, basically, you're saying that there's a discrepancy there with testimony.
00:10:28.460 Of course there's a discrepancy.
00:10:28.940 Because women... 1.00
00:10:30.020 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:10:31.600 I'm just...
00:10:32.040 Sorry, say that again?
00:10:32.780 Yeah, because we're not always in control.
00:10:35.040 Okay, good.
00:10:35.360 So, what I'm saying is that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has acknowledged that a woman has 0.92
00:10:37.920 her moments when there's emotional instability.
00:10:40.340 Okay?
00:10:40.720 So, this is...
00:10:41.480 There's nothing wrong with this.
00:10:42.820 But that's not going to affect your testimony.
00:10:44.580 No, no, no, sister.
00:10:45.160 Let me tell you something.
00:10:45.960 When you stand in court, if you saw a murder happen right in front of us, yeah?
00:10:49.260 Now, let's give a scenario.
00:10:50.380 If you saw the witness, for example, a man came and put three bullets in the man's head
00:10:54.020 and shot him down on the floor.
00:10:55.180 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 0.97
00:10:56.680 You are a woman, yes?
00:10:57.680 There's another sister. 0.89
00:10:58.420 Are you a Muslim sister?
00:10:59.540 Okay, so we've got two sisters here. 1.00
00:11:01.140 You saw it.
00:11:01.700 The moment you heard that bang, bang, yeah?
00:11:03.260 Everyone is ducking out.
00:11:04.700 But more of the men, because it's in our nature, we want to know what's going on.
00:11:07.460 Can I protect my family?
00:11:08.460 I'm on protective mode now.
00:11:10.000 For a woman, like you saw Trump's bodyguard, yeah? 0.99
00:11:12.680 That woman, yeah? 1.00
00:11:13.320 She was jumping.
00:11:13.740 She was jumping.
00:11:14.080 She was trying to save her life.
00:11:15.580 Understandable.
00:11:16.120 Now, why?
00:11:16.660 Because as men, we have no problem being the protector and dying for our family.
00:11:19.700 It's in our blood.
00:11:20.380 We love it.
00:11:20.860 We're dying for our family.
00:11:22.500 No problem.
00:11:23.280 So the point is this, my sister.
00:11:24.940 When this murder happens...
00:11:26.060 You're emotionally unstable.
00:11:26.960 No, no, no.
00:11:27.460 I never said that.
00:11:28.460 I never said that, sister.
00:11:29.580 I'm saying there's emotional imbalances.
00:11:31.880 We're emotionally unstable.
00:11:33.080 However you want to hear.
00:11:34.140 So what I'm saying, sister...
00:11:35.100 So one second.
00:11:36.400 So what I'm saying is that Allah says if one errs, the other can correct them.
00:11:39.740 And it's not just for...
00:11:40.660 It's not just for a murder scene.
00:11:44.440 It comes to also...
00:11:46.080 It can be the issue of finances.
00:11:47.800 Because women were not tend to known to be the providers. 0.93
00:11:50.740 So when it came to issues of maybe, let's say, inheritance, money kind of stuff.
00:11:55.080 So Allah has enabled... 0.99
00:11:56.600 Allah has enabled that... 0.99
00:11:57.440 To go into the world.
00:11:58.180 Exactly.
00:11:58.740 So...
00:11:59.100 Exactly.
00:12:00.140 But it also applies today.
00:12:01.480 So what I'm saying is, sister...
00:12:02.600 Allah has just put that there to...
00:12:04.420 Even nowadays, sister, Allah has acknowledged that women has weaknesses in certain places. 1.00
00:12:09.200 And not...
00:12:09.580 Sister, you are an exception.
00:12:11.160 Allah deals with the general rule.
00:12:12.360 No, no, sister, let me tell you something.
00:12:14.580 I know the general rule.
00:12:14.940 When Allah...
00:12:16.340 Look...
00:12:16.620 Thank you very much.
00:12:17.580 I appreciate your time.
00:12:18.640 No, no, no.
00:12:19.200 And your answer.
00:12:19.980 No, honestly.
00:12:20.900 It's just I have to go.
00:12:21.680 Okay, that's fine.
00:12:22.200 Thank you very much.
00:12:23.320 Please, please don't...
00:12:24.320 I mean...
00:12:29.680 I mean, there's nothing else to say.
00:12:32.260 But yeah, we're trying to ask the misconception.
00:12:34.140 But you know what it is sometimes is that, sadly with our sisters, not all of them, but it's
00:12:38.480 just defense.
00:12:39.500 Just defense.
00:12:39.940 It's like, can we just talk, understand each other, these verses?
00:12:42.880 And this is the issue that we're facing.
00:12:43.960 Feminism and red pill has destroyed that so much so that anything that you say, it's 1.00
00:12:48.540 become misogynistic.
00:12:50.340 It's become, you know, you're trying to say we're emotionally unstable.
00:12:53.780 It's a reality.
00:12:54.500 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has said that.
00:12:55.940 There's responsibilities.
00:12:56.720 There's hormones that I have that cause issues for me.
00:12:59.560 So the point is, alhamdulillah, we follow Islam.
00:13:01.440 We don't change Islam.
00:13:02.640 And yeah, that's what I want to say.
00:13:03.460 I tried to explain to the sister.
00:13:05.360 But obviously, she had her setbacks.
00:13:07.280 But she's our sister in Islam, alhamdulillah. 0.81
00:13:08.560 And for those sisters that are watching at home, maybe it answered your questions.
00:13:11.660 Asalaamu alaikum.