Ali Dawah - November 08, 2023


“EX-H4MAS” SUPPORTER REVEALS ALL

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Ali Dawah
Mentioned
Salafi Salaamu Alaikum Charles Darwin Muhammad Hijab Hummus Zishan
RABBI REVEALS ISR4ELS PLAN ELON MUSK SLAMS ISRAEL

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12 minutes

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201.76

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2,584

Sentence count

336

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Misogyny

1

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Toxicity

55

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Hate speech

30

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In this episode, we speak to an ex-Hamas supporter about his experience as a Salafi and how he became a Hamas supporter. We also find out if he is a 'homosexual' or a 'non-practicing' Salafi.

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00:00:00.560 Just imagine the people back in the day when they would have to travel certain distances
00:00:04.200 for months or even years.
00:00:06.000 What is one thing that they would carry with them?
00:00:08.440 The Quran.
00:00:09.440 Why?
00:00:10.440 Because they did not have it on their mobile devices or their gadgets.
00:00:13.320 Brothers and sisters, imagine you have a app, the Qur'ani app, which not only shows you
00:00:18.400 how much rewards you get, but reminds you to read the Qur'an, gives you reminders.
00:00:23.680 Download the Qur'ani app now and let it testify for you on your Muqiyama that you read it
00:00:28.320 wherever you was.
00:00:30.320 Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers and sisters and dear friends.
00:00:35.040 Today we're going to be reacting to an ex-Hamas supporter.
00:00:39.520 Was he an ex-Hamas supporter or an ex-Hummus supporter?
00:00:42.400 The brother asked a very good question.
00:00:43.960 We're going to find out inshallah.
00:00:45.280 This individual, I'm very familiar with him because he was one of these individuals about
00:00:49.000 five, ten years ago when this whole ex-Muslim thing was popping off etc and now it's all
00:00:52.360 died down and they are finished, they can't make any more videos.
00:00:56.440 One thing that caught my attention when he used to talk, he would talk about key things.
00:00:59.440 He was an ex-Salafi, he's now a non-practicing homosexual. 0.99
00:01:03.440 It's not halal fam. 1.00
00:01:04.440 Because they asked him, did you ever kiss a guy? 0.80
00:01:06.440 He said, no I haven't done that yet, I'm just homosexual.
00:01:08.440 But his story was in a nutshell just your typical ex-Muslim story of this happened, that happened,
00:01:13.440 you know, I'm gay and then I got some doubts and I left.
00:01:16.440 No problem.
00:01:17.440 But for some odd reason, GB News invites him as this ex-Hummus supporter who has some
00:01:24.440 intelligence that he wants to share with the world.
00:01:26.440 I think they, with people like this, you know what they do bro?
00:01:29.440 They just use them.
00:01:30.440 Yes.
00:01:31.440 They're just there as...
00:01:32.440 Like a hummus.
00:01:33.440 Silky, creamy hummus.
00:01:34.440 Sorry, Hamas. 0.99
00:01:37.440 Don't laugh at him, he's a serious guy.
00:01:41.440 So, they got issue with Salafis, oh he used to be an ex-Salafi. 0.98
00:01:48.440 They got an issue with Muslims with regards to homosexuality, oh he's a homosexual as well. 0.94
00:01:53.440 Now they got an issue with Hamas. 0.98
00:01:55.440 Silky, creamy hummus.
00:01:57.440 He seems to be ready for everything mate, yeah I used to be that as well mate.
00:02:01.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:02.440 Yeah, that, me, I used to do that back in the days as well mate.
00:02:05.440 He identifies as...
00:02:06.440 Everything.
00:02:07.440 Yes.
00:02:08.440 But for now it's Hamas. 0.93
00:02:09.440 Everything that these guys need.
00:02:10.440 Let's see, with the narrative that's always been turning against Israel,
00:02:13.440 let's see what GB News has for us, because they must have done some background research
00:02:17.440 and invited an academic who's at Oxford, I think he said he's at Oxford.
00:02:20.440 Let's see what this ex-Hummus supporter has to say.
00:02:24.440 Yeah, definitely.
00:02:25.440 Are you ready?
00:02:26.440 Great to have you in the studio Sahail, thank you for joining us.
00:02:28.440 How did you get sucked into being a Hamas supporter?
00:02:30.440 It started at a very young age.
00:02:31.440 I was radicalised from the age six.
00:02:33.440 Dang! 0.99
00:02:36.440 Onwards.
00:02:37.440 Which some people might find surprising.
00:02:39.440 You don't think of people being radicalised at such a young age.
00:02:41.440 But I was.
00:02:42.440 And I was raised with this hate-filled ideology whereby I believed Britain was the enemy.
00:02:46.440 I believed that non-Muslims are in a perpetual war against Muslims. 1.00
00:02:49.440 It's just the standard extremist Islamist kind of ideology that I was just raised in.
00:02:53.440 If I saw him on the road...
00:02:55.440 I would say he's a supporter of food.
00:02:57.440 Yes, I would think he sells hummus.
00:02:59.440 Silky, creamy hummus.
00:03:01.440 He looks like a genuine falafel hummus seller on the street.
00:03:05.440 Like you know in those little caravans.
00:03:07.440 And you know what's very interesting?
00:03:09.440 I watched his videos before and now.
00:03:11.440 Not a single place he ever mentions he was a Hamas supporter.
00:03:17.440 Ever.
00:03:18.440 But for some odd reason, GB News invites him and he's an ex-Hamas supporter.
00:03:24.440 The problem with GB News is that why are they...
00:03:27.440 This is clearly a political issue.
00:03:29.440 Yes.
00:03:30.440 Why are they bringing on somebody to say,
00:03:32.440 Oh, I'm an ex-Muslim and I used to do... 1.00
00:03:35.440 Bro, how is that relevant to the conversation?
00:03:37.440 Exactly.
00:03:38.440 You know what? That's actually Islamophobic.
00:03:40.440 That's what that is.
00:03:41.440 Because the issue is to do with settler colonialism.
00:03:43.440 It's got nothing to do with the fact that Bob over here used to be a Salafi. 0.58
00:03:47.440 You're not Salafi.
00:03:48.440 You're not Salafi.
00:03:49.440 I'm the Salafi.
00:03:50.440 Let's see what he has to say.
00:03:51.440 He must have some very key intelligence.
00:03:52.440 Well, if they brought this guy on then...
00:03:54.440 I mean he clearly doesn't meet the visual image.
00:03:57.440 No, don't judge a book by his cover.
00:03:58.440 He must have some deep intelligence.
00:04:00.440 I'm assuming.
00:04:01.440 And it says the big story on there as well.
00:04:03.440 Exactly.
00:04:04.440 I didn't think Hamas has a wing in the UK.
00:04:06.440 I've been a Muslim for 10 years.
00:04:07.440 I've been in private circles, classes, Muslim families, you name it.
00:04:12.440 You name it.
00:04:13.440 Wow, you're so pious.
00:04:14.440 I am.
00:04:15.440 I have never, ever, ever come across anybody, for that matter,
00:04:19.440 talking about, oh, we hate the West.
00:04:23.440 Yes, of course we hate the actions they did in Iraq and Afghanistan or whatever bit.
00:04:26.440 And anyone that's human would hate that.
00:04:28.440 Nobody has ever told me or radicalized me to think that Britain is my enemy 0.69
00:04:33.440 and I have to hate them.
00:04:35.440 At the age of six. 0.97
00:04:36.440 At the age of six, Muslim kids have memorized the Quran.
00:04:38.440 They're not told and be like, hey, sit down here. 0.99
00:04:40.440 Listen, you hate the West and we hate the Jews and we hate everyone. 1.00
00:04:44.440 What? 0.99
00:04:45.440 No, we don't.
00:04:46.440 Exactly.
00:04:47.440 That's my point.
00:04:48.440 No, but you just said we hate the West.
00:04:49.440 No, that's what you're telling your kid.
00:04:51.440 That's not the case.
00:04:52.440 Is it family members or friends or people you didn't know that were grooming you in this way?
00:04:55.440 It was my parents.
00:04:56.440 In fact, they had themselves become extreme.
00:04:58.440 Yeah.
00:04:59.440 What did this group get you to do?
00:05:01.440 I mean, did you actively participate in any way?
00:05:02.440 Did you attend meetings?
00:05:03.440 What?
00:05:04.440 What was your, what was your sort of role with this grouping?
00:05:06.440 Um, absolutely.
00:05:07.440 I wasn't involved in any sort of group per se.
00:05:09.440 I was always kind of on my own.
00:05:10.440 Are you lonely?
00:05:12.440 Are you lonely?
00:05:14.440 Are you lonely?
00:05:15.440 Our fingers dancing when they eat.
00:05:19.440 Okay.
00:05:20.440 What ideology?
00:05:21.440 He goes, I was not per se involved in any group.
00:05:23.440 I was alone.
00:05:24.440 He's not, he's not in a group.
00:05:26.440 Yeah.
00:05:27.440 He's a loner.
00:05:28.440 And I mean, what credibility. 0.85
00:05:30.440 To be honest, like what, what's the point of bringing some loner?
00:05:34.440 Yes.
00:05:35.440 That lives in his mum's basement.
00:05:36.440 Yes.
00:05:37.440 Eating.
00:05:38.440 Hummus.
00:05:39.440 Do you think he got Hamas confused with hummus?
00:05:41.440 I genuinely believe this.
00:05:42.440 This is, I, you know what?
00:05:43.440 I'm, the more I'm listening to this guy, the more I'm actually swinging to your, your side.
00:05:48.440 Before I was like, why, what's, why does he keep talking about?
00:05:51.440 He's asking what's the ideology?
00:05:53.440 Okay.
00:05:54.440 What is this ideology?
00:05:55.440 Completing Islam with a silky, creamy hummus. 1.00
00:05:59.440 What was the trigger that inspired you to walk away from this ideology?
00:06:03.440 It was a number of things.
00:06:04.440 Um, but chief among them, it was my understanding evolutionary biology.
00:06:08.440 Um, so science saved you.
00:06:10.440 Science did indeed save me.
00:06:11.440 Um, but I realized that contradicted my entire ideology and I was forced then to change.
00:06:16.440 My entire world just unraveled.
00:06:18.440 Because you learned about the origins of humanity.
00:06:21.440 Yes.
00:06:22.440 And this contradicted the theology, uh, exactly.
00:06:24.440 Preached by, by the likes of Hamas. 0.99
00:06:30.440 What contradicted his whole theology and, you know, made him question why he supported Hamas was him studying the theory of evolution.
00:06:37.440 Yeah.
00:06:38.440 And cause Hamas talks about, Hamas talks about evolution. 0.67
00:06:39.440 Yeah.
00:06:40.440 And he was like, Oh, this goes against my, uh, belief system.
00:06:43.440 Cause they put that in their charter, innit?
00:06:44.440 Yeah.
00:06:45.440 Like that's something that's very integral to their political efforts.
00:06:48.440 Yes.
00:06:49.440 Evolution.
00:06:50.440 Yeah.
00:06:51.440 What Charles Darwin said and the homo erectus.
00:06:52.440 Exactly.
00:06:53.440 And that really contradicted his belief in Hamas.
00:06:55.440 Why are you laughing?
00:06:56.440 No, because it's true.
00:06:57.440 Yeah.
00:06:58.440 Homo erectus is a thing.
00:06:59.440 Yeah, it definitely is.
00:07:00.440 Why are you getting excited?
00:07:01.440 Why are you getting excited? 0.93
00:07:02.440 He looks like homo erectus. 0.99
00:07:03.440 He looks like homo erectus. 0.99
00:07:04.440 He'd probably get excited by that, innit? 0.88
00:07:05.440 He looks like that.
00:07:06.440 The point is, what's Hamas got to do with evolution and him not supporting them anymore?
00:07:11.440 Please make sense.
00:07:12.440 No, it's because of homo erectus. 0.99
00:07:15.440 Let's carry on.
00:07:16.440 Let's carry on.
00:07:17.440 I mean, that's what it is.
00:07:18.440 But it gets more interesting and sinister when he has an occurrence when he's walking down the road and he sees a young Jewish kid. 0.99
00:07:24.440 Wow.
00:07:25.440 Okay, that's gonna be deep.
00:07:26.440 And look what transpires.
00:07:27.440 Be ready because...
00:07:28.440 It's a deep story.
00:07:29.440 This changed his whole life.
00:07:30.440 I went to a Jewish home and I was selling a computer to them.
00:07:34.440 And the little toddler, they had a little kid, came up to me and suddenly just became attached to me.
00:07:39.440 And the parent said, he wants to play with you.
00:07:41.440 So I was really young.
00:07:42.440 I sat down and started playing with his toy cars.
00:07:43.440 And his parents were looking on what was happening and smiling.
00:07:47.440 And I remember looking across at them and thinking, I hate them, but they don't hate me.
00:07:55.440 In fact, they're trusting me with their child.
00:07:57.440 And that changed a lot for me.
00:08:00.440 Just imagine this for a second, yeah?
00:08:03.440 I don't know what kind of Islam or idea that he was living by.
00:08:07.440 No, so this lonely guy is playing with the stranger's child.
00:08:11.440 Yeah.
00:08:12.440 And it's not...
00:08:13.440 Either you're lonely or you play with, you know, random kids.
00:08:17.440 Like, you need to make your mind up.
00:08:19.440 No, it doesn't make sense, bro.
00:08:20.440 Just imagine.
00:08:21.440 He goes into this house or whatever.
00:08:23.440 He's playing with the child.
00:08:24.440 He's playing cars with the kid here for some odd reason.
00:08:26.440 Can you imagine going...
00:08:27.440 No, he's a kid.
00:08:28.440 He plays cars, isn't he?
00:08:29.440 Bro, whatever for that matter.
00:08:30.440 Look at the story.
00:08:31.440 He goes to this house for...
00:08:32.440 He's selling them stuff.
00:08:33.440 Did he say house though?
00:08:34.440 Yeah, to the house or a walking bus.
00:08:35.440 And he ends up playing with the kid.
00:08:36.440 And then he's like, I...
00:08:37.440 No, not with the kid.
00:08:38.440 Like, he's playing with the cars.
00:08:40.440 Playing with the cars, yeah.
00:08:41.440 With the child, yeah.
00:08:42.440 And he goes, I hate them and they don't hate me. 0.58
00:08:44.440 Bro, there was a Jewish man who got attacked in Stamford Hill.
00:08:47.440 I went and done a video.
00:08:49.440 Not once have I ever...
00:08:50.440 What? Attacking him?
00:08:51.440 The brother's asked a very good question.
00:08:52.440 No, we're defending him against the attacker.
00:08:54.440 Hope that answers the question.
00:08:55.440 Not once did I ever thought to myself,
00:08:58.440 I have Jewish people who I speak to.
00:09:00.440 I have Jewish...
00:09:01.440 Like, there's certain people who come to the park.
00:09:03.440 We speak to...
00:09:04.440 I've been to Stamford Hill.
00:09:05.440 I've been into their synagogue, yeah.
00:09:06.440 Not once have I ever been taught through Islam
00:09:09.440 or anything for that matter 0.99
00:09:10.440 that I have to hate Jews. 1.00
00:09:12.440 So, to me, this story is absolutely bullcrap, bro. 1.00
00:09:16.440 Like, you went there like, oh, I hate them, 0.99
00:09:19.440 but they don't hate me.
00:09:20.440 That's not the Islam that's been taught to anybody
00:09:22.440 for that matter.
00:09:23.440 There is nothing in Islam, nowhere in Islam 1.00
00:09:25.440 that tells us to hate the Jews.
00:09:27.440 None. Zero.
00:09:29.440 The prophet's wife was ethnically Jewish. 0.57
00:09:31.440 So, for us to hate Jewish people, 0.98
00:09:32.440 it's as good as hating my own mother. 0.99
00:09:34.440 So, the matter at hand,
00:09:35.440 you can see how it's distorted 0.92
00:09:36.440 and how perverted he is 0.88
00:09:38.440 that is making up the story 0.96
00:09:40.440 that have nothing to do with religion.
00:09:42.440 Of course, critics of Israel would argue
00:09:44.440 that Israel has a case to answer 0.98
00:09:45.440 for its treatment of the Palestinian people.
00:09:46.440 What would you say to that?
00:09:47.440 I would say that
00:09:48.440 before other people got involved internationally,
00:09:50.440 I would kind of caution against that
00:09:52.440 because...
00:09:53.440 What?!
00:09:54.440 Often, this conflict is viewed
00:09:56.440 in black and white terms
00:09:57.440 and a lot of people kind of
00:09:58.440 lose their minds over it.
00:09:59.440 They have a caricature idea of it,
00:10:01.440 a good guy versus bad guy.
00:10:02.440 And it's very tribal.
00:10:03.440 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:10:04.440 Hold up. Time out, time out.
00:10:06.440 Exactly. It's very tribalistic.
00:10:08.440 And the conflict is very complicated.
00:10:10.440 It's got multiple...
00:10:11.440 We want to end on this guy.
00:10:12.440 This is so fundamental, yeah?
00:10:13.440 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.81
00:10:14.440 talks about the psychology
00:10:16.440 of the mushrikeen,
00:10:17.440 of the munafiq,
00:10:18.440 of the kafir,
00:10:19.440 of the murtad.
00:10:20.440 Very interesting, bro.
00:10:21.440 If you go to the ayah 0.98
00:10:22.440 when Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.98
00:10:23.440 talks about those who turn their back
00:10:24.440 against their religion, 0.98
00:10:25.440 Allah will replace them. 1.00
00:10:26.440 And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.55
00:10:27.440 says something very specific.
00:10:28.440 He says,
00:10:29.440 don't care about the blame of the blamers.
00:10:31.440 Meaning what?
00:10:32.440 This guy is such an uncle Tom
00:10:35.440 to the level where he's like,
00:10:36.440 yeah, I'm pro Britain, pro this.
00:10:38.440 He does not even mention the killing
00:10:42.440 and the massacre and the genocide
00:10:44.440 of the Palestinian kids.
00:10:46.440 So much so that the GB news presenter
00:10:49.440 who is also probably pro Israeli
00:10:52.440 has to interject just so he can be fair
00:10:56.440 and say, you know what?
00:10:57.440 But what about Israel?
00:10:58.440 And you know, the treatment
00:10:59.440 of the Palestinians.
00:11:00.440 And what does he say?
00:11:02.440 Nothing, no condemnation.
00:11:04.440 Bro, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.93
00:11:06.440 spoke the haq.
00:11:07.440 These individuals hate the blame.
00:11:09.440 He's such a, 1.00
00:11:10.440 he's sucking up to the white man so badly. 1.00
00:11:13.440 He's not even uttering it so much so 1.00
00:11:15.440 that his master,
00:11:16.440 the white man sitting opposite him, 1.00
00:11:18.440 which he wants to lick his toes, 0.99
00:11:20.440 is there mentioning Israel 0.97
00:11:22.440 and his treatment of Palestinians.
00:11:23.440 Can you imagine at least the disbeliever? 1.00
00:11:25.440 The disbeliever opposite him 1.00
00:11:27.440 has more of a unbiased,
00:11:30.440 some little form of unbiasedness.
00:11:32.440 And what does he say?
00:11:33.440 No mention, no condemnation.
00:11:35.440 He's just saying both sides,
00:11:36.440 the same waffly arguments
00:11:38.440 that don't really make sense.
00:11:39.440 In fact, he doesn't even answer the point.
00:11:41.440 The fact that you can't even condemn
00:11:43.440 just because of your overlords
00:11:45.440 are going to, you know,
00:11:46.440 take away that pay packet.
00:11:48.440 You're not going to be invited again
00:11:50.440 and you're going to be more irrelevant
00:11:52.440 than you actually are. 0.98
00:11:53.440 Yes, you have a mushroom head. 0.99
00:11:55.440 You're like a mushroom. 0.90
00:11:56.440 You're a hummus. 0.98
00:11:57.440 You look like a hummus. 0.99
00:11:58.440 That's what you look like. 0.99
00:11:59.440 You look like an absolute hummus. 0.99
00:12:01.440 That's what you are. 1.00
00:12:02.440 You claim you left Islam
00:12:04.440 and I've watched your videos.
00:12:05.440 Nowhere in those videos
00:12:06.440 you're talking about your story
00:12:07.440 of leaving Islam.
00:12:08.440 You ever mentioned Hamas.
00:12:10.440 You hummus.
00:12:11.440 That's what you are. 1.00
00:12:12.440 You're a liar. 1.00
00:12:13.440 You're a fraudster. 1.00
00:12:14.440 You're an intellectual fraud. 1.00
00:12:15.440 You're intellectually bankrupt. 1.00
00:12:16.440 You are finished like Mohammed Hijab says. 1.00
00:12:18.440 You are an absolute coward. 1.00
00:12:19.440 You went on there. 1.00
00:12:20.440 Did not condemn Israel once.
00:12:22.440 Seeing the killing of innocent babies and children. 1.00
00:12:25.440 You are a heartless coward. 1.00
00:12:26.440 A sellout. 1.00
00:12:27.440 An Uncle Tom.
00:12:28.440 That's what you are. 0.91
00:12:29.440 Shame on you. 0.95
00:12:30.440 And that's all I have to say.
00:12:32.440 There's nothing else I can say.
00:12:33.440 And your story is an absolute fraud.
00:12:35.440 And it shows that Israel is such on the back foot. 0.82
00:12:38.440 That GB News had no one to bring 1.00
00:12:40.440 but an absolute coward of a hummus like you. 0.99
00:12:44.440 Any last words Zishan? 1.00
00:12:45.440 Salaamu Alaikum.
00:12:47.440 Wa Alaikum Salaam.