Ali Dawah - December 25, 2018


FATHER XMAS & MUSLIM TALK ON BANNING CHRISTMAS -SPEAKERS CORNER


Episode Stats

Length

15 minutes

Words per Minute

212.7973

Word Count

3,370

Sentence Count

259

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

26


Summary

Jummah Kutbahaykum: Should you be allowed to celebrate Christmas if you don't like it? Do you have a problem with it? Is it a bad thing? Should you boycott it if it doesn't offend you? I speak to a Muslim woman about her experience with Christmas and how she dealt with it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 And shirk is one of the things that we don't like, however, it does not mean just because I dislike it, it means that I have a problem with you celebrating it, do you get it?
00:00:09.620 And I think it should be fair because if Muslims have the right to celebrate eat, why should you in your own country not be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
00:00:30.000 As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, my dear friends, I'm here with Santa Claus, I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about this one here.
00:00:51.100 So there's a big misconception obviously that's going around, and I was speaking to a lady here regarding this issue as well, that there is misconception that we as Muslims, that Easter bothers us, you know, when we go to Tesco's and we see those chocolates, besides wanting to eat it, that it really, really offends us, that for example when there's Christmas carols here, when there's a Christmas tree here, or when there's Santa Claus here, that it really, really bothers us.
00:01:14.620 To be honest, Santa Claus doesn't have a direct link with, because they say Christmas is based upon Jesus' birth, right, but I don't know how Santa Claus comes into that, yeah, it doesn't, I don't know, he's just busy looking after his dears, flying around, giving gifts around, yeah, so thank you very much for that.
00:01:30.320 Thank you, thank you.
00:01:30.820 So yeah, I just wanted to say, like, this big misconception, it's a lie, you know, and I was speaking to this lady as well over here, that she was, I think, 20 years ago?
00:01:39.620 Yeah, 20 years ago.
00:01:40.100 Yeah, 20 years ago, what happened exactly?
00:01:41.520 My children had just started primary school in Hackney, and the school said, no, there's going to be no nativity play, the Christmas holidays, we're going to call them winter break, and I said, why is this?
00:01:58.040 And they said, because we don't want to offend the Muslim community and the pupils at the school.
00:02:03.220 So I went and asked the Muslim parents, and none of them were offended by it, they all thought it was a little ridiculous, they were cancelling it.
00:02:11.520 And especially as the school were always, all the other culture's celebrations were acknowledged, but they were too scared to acknowledge Christmas, because they didn't want to offend the Muslims.
00:02:22.000 But the Muslims weren't offended, because I asked them, and so I went back to the staff, and I said, they're not offended, they say, oh no, no, we still can't do it.
00:02:29.120 And that was 20 years ago, and I wish I knew now, what I knew then, I should have started a petition, I should have done more about it, and got all the Muslim parents to sign it.
00:02:39.440 But they cancelled Christmas, and because the left wing, which is a very left wing borough, they were being offended on the Muslims' behalf, and it was unnecessary.
00:02:51.740 Yeah, you're right, you know, it causes a divide.
00:02:54.880 Exactly, exactly, it's like they don't want to cause divide, but they are causing a divide.
00:02:58.800 You know, as a Muslim, I'm an Orthodox Muslim, you know, I don't sugarcoat my religion, I don't, you know, I believe Islam in every single text that it has, yeah.
00:03:07.020 So I can tell you very clearly, yeah, we do not celebrate Christmas, however, we are not offended by you celebrating Christmas, you singing the Christmas carols.
00:03:15.240 Because whatever it involves, it doesn't bother us, yeah, I'm telling you to your face, I'm not even sugarcoating, some people say, oh, he's doing taqiyah, taqiyah is not even part, I don't even know what taqiyah is, yeah.
00:03:25.760 This is a certain group in Islam, Shias, they use it, and that's even then, in context, that is if your life is in danger.
00:03:33.440 If somebody comes and says, I'm going to kill you, renounce your religion, even then, that's when you use it, yeah.
00:03:39.560 But we don't, we don't have taqiyah.
00:03:40.600 So the issue is, I'm being very blunt with you, I do not have no problem, yeah, because we came, you know Amy, there was a lady, she came once and she had bacon in her hand and she was waving in her face.
00:03:50.060 And I felt like, like, you know, I'm not like a vampire with garlic, not the bacon.
00:03:55.840 You know, the thing is, it's, look, bacon doesn't offend us, these things, we, just because we don't, we're not allowed to eat it, doesn't mean we think the animal's evil, yeah, we don't hold that animal's evil.
00:04:04.600 Now, Christmas, obviously, if they, if, now it's become like, you know, it's like a cultural thing, do you get it?
00:04:09.420 So, the thing is, it's like, it's not like the celebration of the birth of Jesus, to us, it's a big sin in Islam, it's a major sin in Islam.
00:04:16.960 And, um, shirk is one of the things that we don't like, however, it does not mean, just because I dislike it, it means that I have a problem with me celebrating it, do you get it?
00:04:26.040 And I think it should be fair, because if Muslims have the right to celebrate Eid, why should you, in your own country, not be, not be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
00:04:34.540 Do you get it?
00:04:35.120 So, I want to get this, yeah.
00:04:36.100 Can I just ask you, Ali, I mean, there's been a few, like, a couple of Christmas massacres, there was one recently, I think, was it in France?
00:04:41.440 Yes, yes, there was one in France.
00:04:42.580 Why was a Muslim guy, I mean, what was his denomination, why was he behaving like that?
00:04:46.360 Okay, so, now the thing is, with these people, I think so, I heard he had a Muslim name, but I don't know his intentions, I think he was influenced by ISIS, yeah?
00:04:54.520 Now, the thing is, with these people, most of them you see, is that they're young, most of them are young and naive, yeah?
00:05:00.340 So, the Prophet, peace be upon you, when he lived with the Christians and the Jews, he said that there was covenants that were made, yeah?
00:05:05.480 He said, your cross, your place of worship, yeah?
00:05:09.260 Your laws, your regulations, your livelihood, whatever it may be, nobody can harm you guys, okay?
00:05:15.220 Okay, because that's your religious beliefs, so, if we had a problem, if the Prophet had a problem, yeah?
00:05:20.300 So, we want to look at what these guys are doing and what the Prophet did.
00:05:23.520 Did the Prophet, when he was living with the Christians and the Jews, when he wasn't in power and when he was in power, yeah?
00:05:29.500 Okay, when the Sharia was in power, okay, the Sharia law that everybody talks about,
00:05:36.120 when the Muslims were in power, they never, never forced or oppressed the Christians or the Jews to go.
00:05:41.400 So, imagine, are we in power now? Are the Muslims in power?
00:05:44.380 Is there a, is there a, no, is there a caliphate?
00:05:48.500 No, no.
00:05:49.020 No, there isn't.
00:05:49.600 So, if we was in power and we did not force the Christians and the Jews to our way of life or destroy their cross or their Christmas,
00:05:56.960 what do you think, why would we do it when we don't have power?
00:05:59.300 When it was at our peak.
00:06:00.460 So, these people who follow, they're a bunch of young, naive, I guarantee you, let me tell you something, let me tell you something, let me tell you something, yeah?
00:06:10.020 Most of these people, they are brainwashed, yeah?
00:06:12.460 Because if you go to the experts, look, let me show you something, yeah?
00:06:15.060 If you go to the experts who have dealt with this matter, you will see some shocking statements.
00:06:19.840 Let me show you something, very interesting.
00:06:22.600 Let me see.
00:06:24.060 Actually, one second.
00:06:25.880 Sometimes I don't have internet.
00:06:27.780 Because I want to go to the experts in this field, yeah?
00:06:30.700 In 2010, a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen, Faisal Shahzad, yeah, was arrested for attempting a terrorist attack, yeah, in Times Square.
00:06:40.260 His attempt was to carry out a car bomb and it didn't go off, thank God.
00:06:43.880 If it went off, it would have killed hundreds of people, yeah?
00:06:46.780 During his trial, they asked him, why did you want to kill civilians, including children?
00:06:51.920 This is what he said.
00:06:53.020 He said, well, the drones that hit in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don't see children.
00:06:58.140 They don't see anybody.
00:06:59.000 They kill women, children, everybody.
00:07:00.700 They kill Muslims, yeah?
00:07:01.840 Right, right.
00:07:03.060 Now, if you go to, for example, he wasn't the only person, yeah?
00:07:06.140 There was a guy called Farooq Abdul Muttalib.
00:07:08.200 He was called the underwear bomber, yeah?
00:07:10.460 Okay.
00:07:11.620 There was another guy called Zokar Tuzannaf, Boston bomber, who happened in New York.
00:07:18.080 All of them, if you go, they blame foreign policy, yeah?
00:07:21.020 Okay.
00:07:22.300 Now, what I want to mention is, for example, that this is a former head of Joint Specialist Operations, Commander Stanley McChrystal.
00:07:30.700 He pointed out that careless use of drone strikes caused result in suicide bombs in Central Park.
00:07:36.740 So, what he's saying is, we're trying to get rid of terrorists by using drone strikes, but we're causing more terrorists, yeah?
00:07:42.680 So, these people, they have been there from day one.
00:07:46.040 They are known as the Khawarij, yeah?
00:07:48.820 That's what they refer to as.
00:07:50.320 And at the time of the Prophet, peace be upon him, they tried to insult the Prophet, yeah?
00:07:55.040 They tried to insult him.
00:07:55.940 I think they said something, they insulted him.
00:07:59.080 And the companions wanted to kill them.
00:08:01.520 And the Prophet stopped it, yeah?
00:08:03.060 He said, don't, yeah?
00:08:04.600 And the Prophet warned us against them.
00:08:06.720 He said, from this man's lineage, the man who did that to the Prophet, he said, there's going to come every nation to the day of judgment.
00:08:13.200 They're going to always rise up, yeah?
00:08:14.920 And the Prophet said, if I lived at their time, in every single time, sorry, sorry, I would destroy them like God Almighty destroyed Ad.
00:08:24.240 That was a nation.
00:08:25.900 Reason being, is because these guys are a bigger enemy to us than anyone else.
00:08:30.720 Because they look like us, they walk like us, they talk like us.
00:08:34.480 So, when they carry out these attacks, what does the general non-Muslim think?
00:08:38.000 Islam.
00:08:38.840 These Muslims are the problem, yeah?
00:08:40.480 But these guys are a bigger enemy to us.
00:08:42.120 And most of them, two guys from Britain, went to join ISIS.
00:08:46.600 They were caught with dummies for Muslims.
00:08:50.300 Dummies, you know the...
00:08:51.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that whole range of books.
00:08:53.140 Can you imagine?
00:08:54.880 They have no idea about their religion.
00:08:57.360 Most of them, they probably don't even pray, yeah?
00:09:00.240 All they do is emotions.
00:09:01.880 They're killing our brothers and sisters in Iraq.
00:09:04.340 We're going to do the same.
00:09:05.460 The point is, where in Islam does it teach you to do that?
00:09:08.700 Where in Islam it says that they do that, you retaliate back the same way.
00:09:13.260 Selling out a Christmas market as well.
00:09:15.280 Of course.
00:09:16.020 The thing is, these people...
00:09:17.260 Do you think there's people telling these people, yeah, you should go and do a Christmas market?
00:09:19.740 Yes, ISIS, ISIS, ISIS, specifically.
00:09:22.620 And also, there's also, God knows who's behind them.
00:09:25.760 There's all kinds of stuff happening in today's times that we live in.
00:09:28.620 So, these people are brainwashed.
00:09:31.420 Just as much as Tommy Robinson preaches his hate and then you have Darren Osborne going
00:09:36.200 and running over Muslims in Frinsbury Park, yeah?
00:09:38.520 So, the thing is, they live of each other.
00:09:41.140 I believe ISIS and the far right are business partners.
00:09:43.780 Because when one carries an attack, they say, oh, look what they've done to us.
00:09:47.080 You see what they're doing to us.
00:09:48.080 We need to retaliate back.
00:09:49.360 When they retaliate back, you have Tommy Robinson saying, look, this is Islam, this is ISIS.
00:09:52.880 They're trying to take over.
00:09:53.820 They benefit of each other.
00:09:54.880 That's the reason why I speak out against extremism, be it ISIS, be it the far right, be it Shia, Shia extremists, whoever they are, yeah?
00:10:02.340 Because it's you, our sister, and me.
00:10:05.480 We're the ones who suffer at their hands.
00:10:06.920 When you're walking down the road, you're scared some extremist Muslim is going to kill you.
00:10:10.340 When I come to the park, I'm being honest, I'll get death threats from the far right.
00:10:14.100 I've had Osman warnings, yeah?
00:10:15.860 I've had somebody go to the phone box and say that if you don't sort out Mohammed Hijab, myself, we're going to sort them out.
00:10:22.300 Yeah, we had the police tell us to be careful.
00:10:24.880 So the thing is, these people, we're the ones who suffer.
00:10:28.080 We're the ones who end up getting killed.
00:10:29.940 While they, Tommy Robinson, sitting in his nice comfy house, and Anjum Chowdhury, yeah, and ISIS, while they're sipping their tea.
00:10:36.840 He has an Osman warning at the moment.
00:10:39.400 Who?
00:10:39.660 Tommy Robinson.
00:10:40.680 Yes, he says that a lot.
00:10:41.740 I believe he's a...
00:10:42.500 This is like his eighth spot.
00:10:43.900 Yes, he's...
00:10:44.480 Look, I'm being honest.
00:10:45.120 I know he has had some, but sometimes he exaggerates and lies a lot, sadly.
00:10:48.920 Because he accused me of sharing his address, which he knows it wasn't me.
00:10:51.980 It was another white lady who did it.
00:10:53.020 But that's another story.
00:10:53.840 Oh, right.
00:10:54.320 The thing is, he gets these warnings.
00:10:56.180 And I'm being honest.
00:10:57.240 Has he had it before?
00:10:58.460 Yes, he has.
00:10:59.240 Does he exaggerate and lie?
00:11:00.500 I believe he does, yeah?
00:11:01.460 But that's another topic.
00:11:02.280 That's another issue, yeah?
00:11:03.720 But the thing is, he's doing that.
00:11:05.300 But then again, he's preaching hate.
00:11:06.800 And it's causing innocent Muslims to get attacked on the streets.
00:11:09.440 What hate is he preaching?
00:11:10.580 Oh, of course.
00:11:11.420 No, for example.
00:11:12.180 So when he says, for example, oh, behind me are enemy combatant households, yeah?
00:11:16.920 There's Muslims living around there.
00:11:18.700 There are Muslims living around there.
00:11:19.940 Because I don't think...
00:11:20.920 What I've seen of him, he doesn't seem to really, you know, attack Muslims per se.
00:11:24.860 No, no, he does.
00:11:25.300 But I think he does look at certain things in the Hadiths and stuff like that.
00:11:28.180 No, that's...
00:11:29.060 He attacks...
00:11:29.640 Look, he says, oh, I've got no problem with the Muslims.
00:11:31.820 But he does.
00:11:32.540 He's attacking Islam.
00:11:34.440 It's not just...
00:11:35.460 Because he says, oh, we're not allowed to criticize Islam.
00:11:37.580 Yes, you are.
00:11:38.480 One thing that's not allowed to be criticized is Israel.
00:11:40.940 Mossad, that he gets funded by.
00:11:42.680 He gets funded by, yeah?
00:11:44.600 Mossad...
00:11:44.800 Israel is the country that nobody criticizes.
00:11:48.040 Nobody talks against it.
00:11:49.380 So...
00:11:49.940 But if you think about it, if there's one kind of thing that's not being criticized, it's not Islam.
00:11:55.900 We don't say don't criticize Islam.
00:11:57.280 We say don't insult our religion.
00:11:59.000 You can criticize our religion.
00:12:00.180 Criticize it all day, all night.
00:12:01.400 But insulting is a different story.
00:12:03.340 Do you get it?
00:12:03.840 If I insulted a black person or whatever, I can...
00:12:06.620 It's...
00:12:07.140 How is that criticizing?
00:12:08.420 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:12:09.220 Yeah.
00:12:09.440 So coming back to our point...
00:12:10.620 Criticizing...
00:12:11.040 I mean, criticizing...
00:12:11.640 Everybody shouldn't be above criticizing.
00:12:13.420 No, you can look.
00:12:14.260 You can criticize.
00:12:14.920 You can come and say to me, why did the Prophet do this?
00:12:16.760 Why does Islam teach that?
00:12:18.020 No problem.
00:12:18.800 That's the reason why we give Dawah.
00:12:20.140 I think the thing with Tommy, though, is his background, I think, is from Luton, isn't it?
00:12:23.320 Yeah.
00:12:23.560 And in Luton, it seems to be that they have certain problems.
00:12:26.660 I think there was that young lady who won the Strictly Come Dancing.
00:12:29.700 Yeah.
00:12:29.920 She did a little documentary.
00:12:30.820 I did see some of that.
00:12:31.680 Yeah.
00:12:31.940 When she was in Luton, and I don't think she was getting...
00:12:34.480 She was a bit shocked.
00:12:35.300 She was almost in tears, basically.
00:12:36.600 Yeah.
00:12:37.100 Some of the Muslim community there, I'm not sure what denominations they were.
00:12:40.180 Yeah.
00:12:40.720 But they weren't too friendly to her.
00:12:43.520 I think you can see the documentary on YouTube.
00:12:45.140 What?
00:12:46.020 Oh, no.
00:12:46.720 I just...
00:12:47.160 Stacey Dooley.
00:12:48.320 Why were they not friendly to her?
00:12:49.740 For what reason?
00:12:50.360 Well, there was a parade or, like, a march, and all the women were in...
00:12:56.000 Oh, is this the one where they call you, you're going to go to the fire?
00:12:59.020 And she was wearing, like, a red dress.
00:12:59.920 Yeah, and they said, Andram Chowdhury.
00:13:02.140 It was Andram Chowdhury's...
00:13:03.200 I think he was in there.
00:13:03.740 It was Andram Chowdhury's protest.
00:13:04.980 Yeah, he was in there, I think.
00:13:05.620 And there was some woman, and they were saying,
00:13:06.900 oh, because you're dressed up like this, or...
00:13:08.620 So you've got hardly any clothes on.
00:13:10.920 Yes.
00:13:11.240 Like a...
00:13:11.780 Who was this?
00:13:12.820 Andram Chowdhury's followers.
00:13:14.600 Yeah.
00:13:14.980 Andram Chowdhury, he was in there.
00:13:16.340 I think I think...
00:13:16.820 I saw the documentary.
00:13:17.700 She goes there, we're filming, and then there's a woman...
00:13:20.020 Yes.
00:13:20.900 Happy Christmas!
00:13:22.220 Yay!
00:13:22.580 It's Christmas!
00:13:23.700 Don't touch me.
00:13:24.720 Don't touch me.
00:13:25.540 Don't touch me.
00:13:26.780 Happy Christmas.
00:13:27.380 Don't touch me.
00:13:28.060 Happy Christmas, though.
00:13:31.860 It's so desperate.
00:13:33.960 Anyways, this Andram Chowdhury is our problem.
00:13:36.860 This is our problem.
00:13:38.100 Why does BBC have him on Speed Isle?
00:13:40.480 I saw in the video, though.
00:13:41.200 There was quite a big summer protest,
00:13:42.780 and people were saying, you know,
00:13:43.880 making kind of disparaging comments about British troops and stuff, weren't they?
00:13:47.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:48.340 They were there as well.
00:13:49.340 I don't remember if I saw Andram Chowdhury in it.
00:13:50.960 No, no, no.
00:13:51.440 His followers were there.
00:13:52.720 Yeah?
00:13:53.140 You see, these guys, they hate us.
00:13:55.120 They have a problem with me.
00:13:56.280 I get threatened by ISIS.
00:13:58.200 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:58.620 They said, yes, trust me.
00:13:59.800 I get, I had the MI5 come to my house.
00:14:02.160 What do they say to you?
00:14:02.980 That you're not radical enough?
00:14:03.920 No, they say I'm a disbeliever.
00:14:05.700 Okay.
00:14:06.140 Why do they say you're a disbeliever?
00:14:07.040 Because, you know why?
00:14:07.840 Because I came here,
00:14:08.840 and me and a few other brothers,
00:14:10.200 we exposed ISIS supporters.
00:14:11.820 Right.
00:14:12.180 And there's footages of it.
00:14:13.220 We went up to them and said,
00:14:14.220 look, stop your nonsense,
00:14:15.020 because their friend was the one who carried that on the bridge attack.
00:14:17.140 Karim Butt, yeah?
00:14:18.280 We went and exposed them,
00:14:19.620 because they're not knowledgeable.
00:14:20.560 You can see it.
00:14:21.520 Right?
00:14:21.800 Ali Dawah confronts Andram Chowdhury's supporter, yeah?
00:14:25.340 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:25.760 He has no clue.
00:14:26.720 He's ignorant about Islam.
00:14:27.760 That's why I brought my teachers, yeah?
00:14:29.320 Who's ignorant?
00:14:30.100 This guy, what's his name?
00:14:31.420 The guy, the following.
00:14:31.860 Abdul Hakim, his name is that thing, yeah?
00:14:33.880 We confronted him.
00:14:35.100 Reason why?
00:14:35.660 Because we said it's because of you,
00:14:37.220 because of you,
00:14:38.300 we get the blame.
00:14:39.520 Because we get attacked.
00:14:40.660 Why?
00:14:40.860 Because you and your bloody extremists,
00:14:42.640 I'm not going to use the extreme,
00:14:43.620 because it has the connotation behind it, yeah?
00:14:45.600 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:45.940 With your views,
00:14:47.120 okay, I believe extremists all kind of...
00:14:48.600 Some of their views are not particularly merciful, are they?
00:14:50.540 No, but this is what I'm saying.
00:14:51.740 Islam is free from these people.
00:14:53.940 Trust me.
00:14:54.820 Islam is free from these people.
00:14:56.200 That's why we confront them,
00:14:57.180 and we expose them.
00:14:58.240 You know why?
00:14:58.820 Because if they go on bloody career
00:14:59.860 and attack next week,
00:15:01.080 we can tell the British police,
00:15:02.940 look, we won't.
00:15:04.140 We don't even know why these guys
00:15:05.140 are on the roads, yeah?
00:15:06.360 So they believe that I'm a disbeliever
00:15:08.520 because that I believe
00:15:11.000 that you can report these people
00:15:12.160 to the police.
00:15:13.400 And they believe that,
00:15:14.480 no, you can't report another Muslim
00:15:16.020 to the authorities.
00:15:17.140 How's the police been towards you, okay?
00:15:18.860 No, no, police?
00:15:19.680 I'm fine with the police.
00:15:20.580 Me, I'm cool.
00:15:21.040 I don't have no criminal record,
00:15:23.340 you know, unlike Tommy Robinson.
00:15:25.760 But yeah, in a nutshell...
00:15:27.180 Stacey Dooley, wasn't he?
00:15:28.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:29.300 Coming back to our thing,
00:15:30.600 I have no problem
00:15:31.160 with your Christmas celebrations.
00:15:33.320 Whatever, I just want to take
00:15:34.480 that misconception out there,
00:15:35.440 you know?
00:15:36.200 And yeah, sorry,
00:15:36.820 I know the sister needs to go.
00:15:38.760 Yeah, I do.
00:15:39.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:39.720 I'm actually a bit late.
00:15:40.900 Yeah, yeah, thank you.
00:15:41.460 Sorry, sorry to keep blabbing on.
00:15:43.340 No, that's all right.
00:15:44.100 Yeah.
00:15:44.420 Cheers, Ellie.
00:15:44.900 Thank you very much.
00:15:45.500 Thank you.
00:15:45.680 Good to talk.
00:15:46.300 Thank you.
00:15:46.680 Have a nice day.
00:15:47.140 Take care.
00:15:49.360 Take care.
00:15:49.760 Finally.