Ali Dawah - June 30, 2025


FEMINIST LASHES OUT ON ISLAM & REGRETS IT


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Length

25 minutes

Words per minute

238.46786

Word count

6,095

Sentence count

714

Harmful content

Misogyny

74

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Hate speech

63

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Summary

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In this episode, we talk about the concept of lowering your gaze and why it is considered a misogynistic practice in Islam. We also discuss the importance of a woman's right to choose when to look at another's body.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Assalamu alaikum, I really want to thank Waqq Forever for partnering with
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00:00:46.300 goodness. And may Allah Almighty continue to use all of us to do
00:00:50.800 this good work. Jazakum Allahu khayran.
00:00:57.600 I don't like Islam. Why not? I think it's very sexist and misogynistic. What parts? And the fact that like women have to cover up. 1.00
00:01:06.900 I need to cover up. I mean, I think it objectifies woman, you know, I have to cover up my, like, I cannot wear this and I think by covering myself, I'm essentially 1.00
00:01:16.200 sexualizing my body because I say that, okay, I have to cover up because men will look at me, men can rape me, I'm just going to cover up. Why can't we teach men to be decent?
00:01:25.500 So the Quran, if you look into the Quran, sister, I came to, I'm from Turkey as well, I'm from Qaysera. So I came to Islam, I only believed in God, I didn't have any religion.
00:01:34.800 But if you think about it, the biggest sexual objectification has happened to the Western woman. Let me tell you why. Because for example, in the Quran, Allah tells me that as a man, I have to lower my gaze, meaning I shouldn't be looking at women, doesn't matter how they dress in a bikini. 0.75
00:01:46.800 Then why are you looking at me? Because out of respect, because I'm looking at you, speaking to you. If I spoke to you, like this, you'll find it rude. If I look at you, you say to me, why are you looking at me? I can't win. So usually I should lower my gaze, but even if I do it, you will say, oh, why are you not looking at me? Am I not a human?
00:02:15.580 Yeah, which proves my point that Islam is medieval. 1.00
00:02:18.620 Okay, so sister, if I look this way, you will say to me, you don't treat me as a human. If I look at you, you say to me, why are you looking at me? What do I do?
00:02:24.480 No, I'm not going to say why you're looking at me. Your book says that you should lower your gaze, but when you're talking to me, you're not lowering your gaze.
00:02:29.960 Okay, so what I'm saying is, usually, the reason why I'm not doing that is because if I've done that, you will find it rude when it's not.
00:02:35.900 Which proves my point that Islam is medieval. 1.00
00:02:39.080 So sister, do you prefer me to sexually objectify you or not? 1.00
00:02:43.020 I don't want you to sexually objectify me.
00:02:44.700 Good, so what I'm saying is, as a man, I am created to have attraction to the opposite gender.
00:02:49.140 So do I look at them or not look at them? What's better? Do you think, as a man, should I look at women or not look at women? 0.99
00:02:54.180 Well, you don't sexualize women. Just treat me as, like, a colleague.
00:02:57.580 I know, I know, I know.
00:02:58.580 No, no, no, I'm not here.
00:03:00.040 Oh, like, why lowering your gaze?
00:03:02.600 No, no, no. One second, sister, I'm saying to you, look.
00:03:04.620 Do you know when I'm walking, do you think, as a man, I should be looking around or just not look around?
00:03:09.060 You look at where you want to look.
00:03:11.100 But a minute ago, you just said, I shouldn't look.
00:03:13.720 I'm saying, as an Islamist. 0.93
00:03:14.600 I never said that you shouldn't, your book says that you should lower your gaze.
00:03:18.700 Exactly.
00:03:19.160 That's what your book says, but you're looking at me.
00:03:21.580 Are you going to follow the Quran?
00:03:23.520 But I'm talking to you.
00:03:24.560 So when we're talking about lowering the gaze, it's also an understanding.
00:03:26.780 It doesn't mean that when I'm talking to the opposite gender, I do this.
00:03:30.660 Not nearly.
00:03:31.120 It says that if you have a desire in you or whatever, etc.
00:03:33.800 I'm talking to you in a respectful manner.
00:03:35.600 And that's why I'm talking to you.
00:03:36.860 But what I'm saying is lowering the gaze applies to however a woman is dressed. 0.93
00:03:39.900 It doesn't matter if she wears a bikini. 0.99
00:03:41.520 Even if a woman covers her face, I should lower my gaze. 1.00
00:03:44.340 So because I'm having a dialogue with you, I'm trying to tell you about Islam,
00:03:46.880 I have to communicate with and look at you.
00:03:48.640 But obviously, you don't see me looking elsewhere.
00:03:51.860 So now I'm saying the sexual objectification of women is done to the Western woman more.
00:03:55.320 You know why?
00:03:55.980 Because why do women wear makeup? 1.00
00:03:58.800 Because I like looking pretty.
00:04:00.680 Okay.
00:04:01.040 Why do you like looking pretty?
00:04:02.780 Because I feel good.
00:04:03.780 So are you, okay, do you choose to look pretty or are you told to look pretty?
00:04:08.240 Why are you maintaining your beard?
00:04:10.560 Because I'm told to.
00:04:11.620 Who are you trying to impress?
00:04:13.240 God.
00:04:13.840 Who are you trying to impress?
00:04:14.860 I'm trying to impress God.
00:04:16.280 I'm trying to...
00:04:17.040 By looking beautiful?
00:04:18.240 Yes.
00:04:18.840 Okay, so look, my point is this.
00:04:21.280 Have you read a book called Beauty Sick?
00:04:23.800 Huh?
00:04:24.280 It's called Beauty Sick.
00:04:26.080 It's written by a non-Muslim author.
00:04:27.940 It talks about the sexual objectification of women, 0.99
00:04:29.980 how women starve themselves to look the perfect way, 1.00
00:04:32.260 how they go and sleep around with men to get validation.
00:04:36.140 Now, why is the Western woman doing this? 1.00
00:04:38.140 And why is there so many women coming to Islam? 1.00
00:04:40.000 Not the...
00:04:40.640 Okay, the average Western woman does not sleep around. 1.00
00:04:43.700 That's a lie that Muslims put forward. 1.00
00:04:47.400 So they don't...
00:04:48.040 So, okay.
00:04:48.780 Do you know how many sexual partners a Western woman has in her lifestyle? 0.57
00:04:51.220 In her lifetime?
00:04:53.080 Anywhere from 10 to 15.
00:04:56.900 Do you think that's good or bad for a woman? 0.99
00:04:58.540 I think it's really bad for a woman. 1.00
00:04:59.640 Okay, well, good thing that you're not a woman. 1.00
00:05:02.240 No, I know, but what I'm saying, sister,
00:05:03.360 is that Islam says you are a woman,
00:05:05.320 have so much to offer, then your beauty.
00:05:07.180 Yeah.
00:05:07.420 Islam says you're a human being.
00:05:08.900 You have so much more to offer the world.
00:05:11.240 You should not be judged by your beauty.
00:05:12.980 So the Western woman does what? 1.00
00:05:14.280 And the Western system does what?
00:05:15.560 You have a billboard, there's a chocolate bar,
00:05:17.100 and there's a naked woman. 1.00
00:05:18.280 What's the woman got to do with a chocolate bar? 1.00
00:05:20.000 Have I ever said that I support that?
00:05:22.940 You do?
00:05:23.240 I never said that.
00:05:24.480 But you said Islam is misogynist?
00:05:26.440 Islam is misogynistic because you have to cover from heck to everywhere. 1.00
00:05:31.140 So how's that misogynistic?
00:05:32.720 Because you're essentially sexualizing your body.
00:05:35.260 You accept that.
00:05:36.080 The reason why I'm covering my arm is because men can get horny from it.
00:05:39.640 There's nowhere in Islam that says that you should cover up because men get horny.
00:05:42.640 Then why can't you show your beautiful arms?
00:05:45.160 Let me tell you why.
00:05:46.160 Because Allah tells us that a weakness for a man is that he likes to look. 0.99
00:05:49.660 A woman likes to look beautiful. 1.00
00:05:51.100 So it's a test for me to lower my gaze.
00:05:53.040 And it's a test for a woman to cover her beauty. 1.00
00:05:54.960 Her beauty is for who? 0.58
00:05:56.120 For her husband.
00:05:57.680 Now, okay, so what I'm saying, look, if you, are you married?
00:06:00.580 Or do you have someone in your life?
00:06:02.040 I'm not married.
00:06:02.940 Okay, so if you had someone in your life, he'd be jealous of you.
00:06:05.560 He might come and say, look, I don't like men looking at you.
00:06:07.960 A man has this natural inclination to be protective of his woman.
00:06:12.080 Is that a bad thing?
00:06:14.060 What type of medieval atrocity is this?
00:06:16.740 So medieval atrocity is that, for example, would you like a man that cares about you and doesn't care about you?
00:06:20.700 Why is my husband controlling me?
00:06:23.160 One second.
00:06:23.740 Okay.
00:06:24.280 Why can I wear this dress?
00:06:26.000 Okay.
00:06:26.320 No, no, one second.
00:06:26.860 If your husband was doing something that you didn't like him to do, is that you're controlling him?
00:06:32.000 No, but like, I want to wear what I want.
00:06:34.140 I want to be able to wear this dress.
00:06:35.480 Do you think this dress is indecent? 0.97
00:06:37.520 Depends what is indecent.
00:06:39.560 Do you want your husband to have female friends? 1.00
00:06:41.640 Well, surely my boyfriend wouldn't want me to dress up like a ninja, like cover from a hit the toe.
00:06:45.660 It's better, well, to me, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:06:47.760 What's wrong with that?
00:06:48.480 Well, it's wrong for my boyfriend.
00:06:50.160 He wouldn't like it.
00:06:50.880 It's wrong for me.
00:06:51.780 I wouldn't want it.
00:06:52.460 Would you want your boyfriend to have female friends that hangs around with children around with? 0.96
00:06:55.540 I don't mind.
00:06:56.040 I have guy friends.
00:06:56.940 My best friend is a guy.
00:06:58.060 Exactly.
00:06:58.380 So this is what we say.
00:06:59.140 This is why you need Islam. 1.00
00:07:00.300 You know why?
00:07:00.840 Because there was a study done and research showed that men and women cannot be friends.
00:07:04.840 Well, shame.
00:07:05.520 He is Hindu and he's my best friend.
00:07:07.620 Nothing so far happened.
00:07:09.020 Why can I be?
00:07:10.000 Call him now.
00:07:10.820 Call him now and say to him you're interested and see what he says.
00:07:14.420 Call him now.
00:07:14.980 Say to him.
00:07:15.580 You have feelings for him.
00:07:17.740 But be genuine and see what he says.
00:07:20.820 Call him.
00:07:21.220 Just say to him.
00:07:21.660 Say, you know what I've been thinking about.
00:07:22.540 On my own camera.
00:07:22.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:23.620 No, no.
00:07:23.800 It's nice if I just call him and say to him, I have feelings for you.
00:07:27.080 See what he says.
00:07:27.460 Well, this is something private.
00:07:28.500 Why should I say this on camera?
00:07:29.740 Because I promise you, you will say, you know what I'll say to you.
00:07:31.420 Oh my gosh, I've been waiting for this all my life.
00:07:33.000 I'm a man.
00:07:33.420 I know how men operate.
00:07:34.920 You can't generalize every man.
00:07:37.220 I'll tell you every single man.
00:07:39.080 Let me tell you something.
00:07:39.800 I used to generalize every single man.
00:07:41.280 Yeah, exactly.
00:07:42.120 You can't generalize every single man.
00:07:44.260 Sister, Islam has come to honor you.
00:07:46.620 Yeah?
00:07:47.020 You might have a wrong perception.
00:07:48.120 Because of Turkey. 1.00
00:07:48.620 I know what happens in Turkey.
00:07:49.880 What happens in Turkey?
00:07:50.720 What happens in Turkey?
00:07:52.100 Say it.
00:07:53.200 Look, you know, there's...
00:07:54.320 Yeah, well, what do you think about that?
00:07:55.360 What happens in Turkey?
00:07:55.720 No, no, no.
00:07:56.040 I'm saying because of that, don't put a label on everybody.
00:07:58.760 Like, I come from where you come from.
00:07:59.580 We're from the same country.
00:08:00.540 Yeah?
00:08:00.940 We're from the same country.
00:08:01.760 But don't put everyone in the same category.
00:08:04.040 Yeah?
00:08:04.420 Because what you're doing now, you say Islam is Muslim.
00:08:05.940 Islam is... 0.99
00:08:06.700 You don't even know the principles of Islam.
00:08:08.860 Islam is... 0.99
00:08:09.380 Why do I cover myself up?
00:08:10.860 Why do I cover myself?
00:08:11.760 I have to cover myself from my navel to my knee.
00:08:13.380 When I go swimming, I can't go topless.
00:08:15.320 I know, but why should I cover my wrists and my forearms?
00:08:19.180 What's wrong with that?
00:08:20.160 Let me tell you something, sister, yeah?
00:08:21.320 Let me tell you why we cover up or why I grow the beard
00:08:23.180 or why we do what we do, yeah?
00:08:24.440 Do you accept God exists?
00:08:26.720 Do you believe in a God?
00:08:27.840 I can't say anything about that.
00:08:29.920 Like, do you have any belief or no belief?
00:08:31.780 I mean, I'm an atheist.
00:08:34.320 Okay, so I can prove God exists.
00:08:36.100 Let's start with God.
00:08:36.900 Then everything will make sense.
00:08:37.740 Okay, look.
00:08:38.240 What's your name, sister?
00:08:39.840 I prefer not to say my name.
00:08:40.960 Can I call you, Finn?
00:08:42.700 Sister.
00:08:43.300 I'll call you sister.
00:08:43.860 Okay, sister.
00:08:44.340 So that's fine.
00:08:45.100 So let me make it very simple for you, okay?
00:08:46.760 You would agree that everything that we look at around here has a purpose.
00:08:49.180 From the TV, to the buildings, to my watch, to your trainers, to your dress, to your bag.
00:08:53.480 Everything has a purpose, yeah?
00:08:54.720 Yeah.
00:08:54.980 Good, okay.
00:08:55.760 Now, the bag that you're wearing, does it have a designer?
00:08:59.680 Oh my God, yes.
00:09:01.780 What happened?
00:09:02.260 Oh my God, I haven't even finished my sentence.
00:09:03.600 Okay.
00:09:03.960 It has a designer.
00:09:05.080 Does it have a purpose?
00:09:06.220 Yes.
00:09:06.880 Okay, does it have a specific pattern?
00:09:08.700 A pattern, yes.
00:09:09.740 Okay, good.
00:09:10.460 Have you seen a designer?
00:09:13.780 Exists somewhere, yes.
00:09:14.880 No, but have you seen him?
00:09:16.840 No, I haven't.
00:09:17.560 Okay, do you accept he exists?
00:09:19.880 Oh, wait a minute.
00:09:20.860 So it's like, it's like Wi-Fi, right?
00:09:24.080 No, Wi-Fi, we can't see.
00:09:25.260 We can't see Wi-Fi, but Wi-Fi exists.
00:09:27.060 So it's like, God is like that as well, right?
00:09:29.040 No, but you didn't say, I don't believe in God because I don't see him.
00:09:31.060 I'm making an argument from design.
00:09:32.280 So I'm seeing, have you seen the design of your bag?
00:09:33.720 No, I haven't.
00:09:34.440 Okay, do you accept he exists?
00:09:36.240 Yeah, because he designed the bag.
00:09:37.640 Good, perfect.
00:09:38.120 No, that's, I agree with you.
00:09:39.080 I'm in line with you.
00:09:39.840 Okay, good.
00:09:40.360 Are you more complex in design?
00:09:41.460 Is your eye more complex in design or your bag?
00:09:43.140 Well, you can't prove or disprove that God exists as something emotional.
00:09:46.340 I haven't even made an argument yet.
00:09:47.180 I mean, I have friends who believe in, it's something emotional, it's something in your
00:09:51.340 heart.
00:09:51.660 I don't judge that.
00:09:52.580 I don't survive.
00:09:53.000 Let me hear me out.
00:09:53.500 You cannot turn me to a theist.
00:09:55.480 I'm not here to do nothing.
00:09:56.480 I'm having a rational argument with you.
00:09:57.280 Then why are we discussing this?
00:09:57.880 And why are we discussing this?
00:09:58.840 Because I'm seeing, is your eye more complex in design or your bag?
00:10:02.560 My eye.
00:10:03.420 Good.
00:10:04.280 Therefore, if the argument follows, your bag has a design, you haven't seen it, it
00:10:07.460 has a purpose, it has a pattern.
00:10:08.880 Your eye has a function, it has a purpose, it has a pattern, and it's designed.
00:10:11.920 Your eye is made out of DNA.
00:10:13.140 How do you know?
00:10:13.600 DNA has information.
00:10:14.800 Information requires intelligence.
00:10:16.520 So, that intelligence is what?
00:10:18.640 Okay, if God exists, how do you know that Islam is his religion, but not Judaism, but 0.80
00:10:22.240 not Christianity, but not...
00:10:23.560 But we haven't come to religion here.
00:10:24.660 I'm just saying, God, does God exist?
00:10:26.400 You said to me, you're an atheist.
00:10:27.280 I don't care if God exists or not.
00:10:28.880 How is that relevant to the argument?
00:10:30.840 Let me tell you why, sister.
00:10:31.620 Because, let me tell you why I'm making this argument, and it relates to the hijab, and
00:10:34.780 my beard, and everything else.
00:10:36.220 If God exists, and he's the one who created you, he's the one that makes your heart beat.
00:10:40.180 He's the one that feeds you, looks after you, he's giving you this eye, this heart,
00:10:43.660 and this body.
00:10:44.660 Meaning...
00:10:44.980 Mate, mate, mate, mate.
00:10:46.100 I think you're going to change it.
00:10:47.340 We were talking about the sexualization of women. 1.00
00:10:50.320 But this relates back to this, sister.
00:10:50.980 Look, I'm saying, if God exists, if God says to me...
00:10:53.240 If God exists, why doesn't he...
00:10:54.940 If God says to me, how jump?
00:10:56.400 I say, how high?
00:10:57.280 Because he's the one who created me.
00:10:58.580 He owns this earth, and he owns me.
00:11:00.080 Me.
00:11:00.700 So, he tells me what to do.
00:11:02.160 I don't tell him what to do.
00:11:03.520 Do you get the point?
00:11:04.540 So, when you come and say, why hijab?
00:11:05.860 Why your beard?
00:11:06.460 Why this?
00:11:06.900 Why that?
00:11:07.280 It all goes back to that.
00:11:09.000 Because you follow authority.
00:11:10.580 Are you telling me you don't have a religion?
00:11:12.200 I don't.
00:11:12.560 Can I ask you a question?
00:11:13.160 Why do you dress up like this?
00:11:14.840 And I'm not talking about sexual.
00:11:15.740 I'm not saying that.
00:11:16.200 I like this dress.
00:11:16.740 No, you don't.
00:11:17.340 You have been taught this.
00:11:18.500 Hold a second.
00:11:18.860 My mom bought this dress.
00:11:20.100 No, I'm not talking about the dress.
00:11:21.200 The dress might look pretty. 0.76
00:11:22.120 You're not understanding my point.
00:11:23.240 You have been watching and affected by the Western system to dress up like this.
00:11:27.980 What's wrong with Western system?
00:11:30.020 Thank you.
00:11:30.480 That's my point.
00:11:31.000 What's wrong with the Western system?
00:11:31.940 Are you telling me?
00:11:32.380 All of the philosophers, John Stuart Mill, Adam Smith, they're a Western. 0.83
00:11:35.760 What's wrong with them?
00:11:36.380 What's wrong with the Western world?
00:11:37.180 They believe the two gods of God and evil.
00:11:39.420 You live here.
00:11:40.100 If you hate the Western world, why did you move here?
00:11:42.160 Why aren't you back in Turkey?
00:11:43.340 You said I have to hate it.
00:11:44.680 Just because I'm challenging the views doesn't mean I hate it.
00:11:47.400 Are you telling me?
00:11:48.160 Okay, you're saying basically you're here, you shut up, you don't talk.
00:11:50.320 No, I'm not saying that.
00:11:50.520 I'm challenging your worldview.
00:11:51.840 Your worldview, I'm challenging.
00:11:52.820 I'm saying the way you dress, how you dress, it's not because you choose to.
00:11:55.280 It's because you're programmed to.
00:11:56.140 No, I choose to.
00:11:57.300 Sister, can I ask you a question?
00:11:58.440 I'm not programmed.
00:11:58.860 You are programmed to grow a beard if you think about that way.
00:12:02.580 I'm in a hurry, by the way.
00:12:03.640 Okay, before you're in a hurry, just a quick question.
00:12:04.920 Okay, I'm asking you a simple question.
00:12:06.580 Who's told you that dressing like this is okay?
00:12:09.500 And I'm not talking in a sexual way.
00:12:10.640 I'm just saying, what's told you to wake up and say, you know what?
00:12:13.280 I'm going to put this dress on rather than wearing something wrong or something shorter
00:12:16.820 or a bikini.
00:12:17.800 Why this dress?
00:12:19.700 Well, I picked a longer dress because today is a bit chilly.
00:12:23.540 Good, perfect.
00:12:23.840 So weather plays a role.
00:12:25.460 What else?
00:12:25.720 Yeah, I got lunch with my dad's friends.
00:12:27.980 Yes, good, perfect.
00:12:29.100 So for the occasion.
00:12:29.460 So for something nice, for occasion.
00:12:31.520 So what I'm saying is this, sister.
00:12:32.420 The only difference between me and you or a Muslim woman and you is the following. 0.99
00:12:35.600 You are affected by the movies you watch, Netflix, Instagram, social media, peer pressure
00:12:40.020 and opposite gender. 1.00
00:12:41.020 Peer pressure?
00:12:42.200 So are you telling me, one second, sister.
00:12:43.920 Are you telling me you wake up and say, I'm going to dress like this because of no influence.
00:12:49.100 Everyone is influenced by something somehow.
00:12:51.200 So you can't come and say to me, I made my decision to wear this dress today or tomorrow
00:12:54.560 wear a bikini or a miniscuit or a long dress or whatever it is.
00:12:57.140 You are influenced by something that makes the decision factor for you.
00:13:01.000 You are influenced.
00:13:01.760 You cannot tell me you're not.
00:13:04.260 You cannot tell me you're not.
00:13:04.900 What's wrong with your influence?
00:13:05.880 I am influenced.
00:13:06.420 Good.
00:13:06.880 I agree.
00:13:07.760 I'm influenced by the one that created me.
00:13:09.620 You are influenced by society.
00:13:10.800 Yeah, but I don't believe in God.
00:13:12.200 I know, but that's why I try to put good into this.
00:13:13.420 What's wrong with being influenced by the society?
00:13:15.040 Let me tell you why.
00:13:15.820 Because Allah says to us in the Quran, have you seen the one who has one master compared
00:13:19.380 to many masters?
00:13:20.180 You, the fashion changes.
00:13:21.880 Tomorrow they'll come and say, fashion is wearing this.
00:13:23.640 Me, God says to me one commandment for men and women.
00:13:26.680 It gives me a way of life.
00:13:27.900 I follow one master.
00:13:29.200 You have to follow what's the next fashion.
00:13:31.080 Oh, what's my friends wearing?
00:13:32.000 Oh my gosh, I like that dress.
00:13:33.260 You are influenced by multiple people.
00:13:35.400 Let me tell you what's wrong with that.
00:13:36.200 Let's not wear what they want to wear.
00:13:37.020 Whether they want to wear the hijab, whether they want to wear this. 1.00
00:13:39.980 Let women what they want to wear. 1.00
00:13:41.240 If you are so feminist, then why are you against a woman wearing a hijab or a burqa? 1.00
00:13:45.780 No, I said, I'm not against it.
00:13:47.100 You said, why are you wearing like a ninja?
00:13:48.900 No, no, no.
00:13:49.920 I said that.
00:13:51.320 Let women what they want to wear. 1.00
00:13:52.740 But I believe that, in theory, it's sexualized women. 1.00
00:13:55.220 I know for someone, it empowers them to go out wearing the hijab or burqa.
00:14:00.220 I'm not against it, but I think that it sexualizes.
00:14:02.760 You know why it's there in the control of sexuality?
00:14:04.260 Because they don't want to show men what they look like. 0.96
00:14:07.720 They are saying, talk to me as a human being, to my face, not somewhere else.
00:14:11.640 And you know what?
00:14:12.300 Not only that, it also protects you from men falling in love with the wrong way and breaking your heart.
00:14:17.520 I'm a man, and there's men behind you.
00:14:19.360 I can ask them.
00:14:20.180 Let me tell you something.
00:14:21.140 When you are dressed up in a certain way, men will come to you and give you false promises for one thing.
00:14:26.100 What Islam does, sister, is protect you as a human being and your heart and your soul.
00:14:30.000 But it sexualizes women. 1.00
00:14:31.500 Let me tell you something.
00:14:32.220 Look, do you know how I met my wife and I married her?
00:14:34.120 Look, my wife, I have a protocol in Islam.
00:14:36.260 I can't go on dates with her, test drive.
00:14:38.600 It doesn't work like that.
00:14:39.580 She has honor, which means what?
00:14:41.960 When I approached her, I spoke to her father.
00:14:44.120 Why?
00:14:44.580 Because Islam says Islam protects her heart, number one.
00:14:47.380 Number two, she was covered up. 0.54
00:14:49.340 Okay, I'm not saying that women who are covered up, who won't get raped. 0.99
00:14:51.940 There are women who are covered up, who get raped.
00:14:53.260 My argument is not from rape.
00:14:54.480 My argument is that what does Islam tell you to follow to protect your heart for the betterment for your well-being and the well-being of the other?
00:15:01.180 So what I'm saying is this, my dear sister.
00:15:02.960 Islam has come to protect your rights and my rights. 1.00
00:15:05.140 So it says there shouldn't be, for example, how many women have psychological issues because they meet men who only want one thing, dump them like a piece of, like they're rubbish.
00:15:13.460 Islam is saying, no, you can't go and abuse women, be with them like they're toilet. 0.93
00:15:18.160 They're not toilet for you to go and have intimacy with them and chop them away. 0.97
00:15:21.420 Islam says, no, a woman has rights. 1.00
00:15:23.440 You as a woman have rights. 1.00
00:15:25.060 So Islam has protocols. 1.00
00:15:26.220 I had to speak to my wife.
00:15:27.740 I had to pay a dowry.
00:15:28.820 Do you know what a dowry is?
00:15:29.720 Yeah.
00:15:29.940 OK, I had to pay a dowry.
00:15:31.460 I pay for everything in the household.
00:15:32.920 Why?
00:15:33.380 Not because I'm misogynistic.
00:15:34.960 No, because my wife has rights. 1.00
00:15:37.360 When she's pregnant, she's vulnerable.
00:15:38.540 I have to take care and look after her. 0.99
00:15:40.040 So Islam gives those rights to her. 0.99
00:15:42.180 Why do you not talk about that?
00:15:43.260 Why do you talk about how Islam protects her?
00:15:44.940 I'm a full-time bodyguard to her.
00:15:46.240 If I walk down the road and someone says something, I will put my life on the line to protect my wife.
00:15:50.840 And this is what I'm talking about.
00:15:52.120 God knows what is best for us, sister.
00:15:54.360 Don't look at Islam with what goes on in Turkey. 0.99
00:15:56.440 Look, I'm not pro-Erdogan or anyone.
00:15:58.380 Forget them.
00:15:58.880 I'm talking to you about Islam.
00:16:00.060 This book here, give it a chance.
00:16:01.660 I was a bit like you 14, 15 years ago.
00:16:04.380 I gave the chance.
00:16:05.280 I said, let me read the scripture.
00:16:06.300 Let me read for myself.
00:16:07.500 Islam is not misogynistic.
00:16:08.740 If there's any religion that honors women to the level of Islam, there's female scholars in Islam. 0.99
00:16:14.080 Then why was Aisha a kid when she got married? 0.94
00:16:16.280 Then why can men take three wives and I can't take two husbands? 1.00
00:16:20.160 Four wives. 0.99
00:16:21.280 Sorry.
00:16:21.780 Four wives, not three.
00:16:22.520 I'm just trying to clarify.
00:16:24.000 OK.
00:16:24.580 Again, sister.
00:16:25.140 Muslim men, in general, they have one wife. 0.84
00:16:28.840 But Islam is a pragmatic religion.
00:16:30.700 Do you know how many non-Muslim men have side chicks and mistresses and girlfriends in the workplace? 0.89
00:16:36.080 I mean...
00:16:37.020 Do you know what they do?
00:16:38.600 Let me tell you what they do.
00:16:39.260 Look, this is what Islam says, sister. 0.99
00:16:40.300 Islam says, if a man, if a man has the ability, and if you talk about atheism, evolution...
00:16:45.440 I'm going four minutes.
00:16:46.420 That's fine, sister.
00:16:46.980 In evolution, evolution is what?
00:16:48.640 The survival of the fittest.
00:16:50.020 In evolution, polygamy is perfectly fine because it is procreating. 1.00
00:16:53.720 It's the survival.
00:16:54.720 A man having 20 wives is no problem. 0.99
00:16:56.380 In atheism, you can't have no cap on it.
00:16:57.960 Because you know why?
00:16:58.760 Because it's...
00:16:59.520 You're tribal. 0.73
00:17:00.500 You have to protect yourself.
00:17:01.720 And me, one man, can impregnate 50 women and then have kids from them.
00:17:05.060 He has an empire.
00:17:05.980 So evolutionary perspective from the atheistic world view, you can't have a problem with polygamy.
00:17:09.320 No, atheists don't have that world view. 0.63
00:17:11.780 No, no, no.
00:17:12.740 As an atheist, you believe in evolution, correct?
00:17:14.880 Yes.
00:17:15.240 In evolution, they believe the survival of the fittest.
00:17:17.180 Mean is spreading your genes.
00:17:18.080 Even now, we're in the 21st century.
00:17:20.880 Good.
00:17:21.360 I'm saying to you, that's one reason.
00:17:23.580 Islam may be feminist for its time, but it's not feminist right now. 0.95
00:17:26.960 Islam doesn't need to be feminist. 1.00
00:17:28.020 Islam gives the rights of the woman.
00:17:29.300 Islam says the greatest inequality is to give... 0.99
00:17:33.640 Sorry, I forgot the words.
00:17:36.060 It's basically a woman has specific rights and a man has specific rights. 0.93
00:17:40.400 You can't treat them equally.
00:17:41.520 For example, when a woman is pregnant, you can't treat that woman the same. 0.99
00:17:45.140 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:17:45.680 She needs to be looked after. 0.61
00:17:46.520 So what I'm saying is Islam gives rights to protect the woman.
00:17:49.920 You as a woman, if I was your brother, in Islam, the man who wants to marry you, number
00:17:53.940 one, it has to be marriage.
00:17:55.080 Number two, he has to come and speak to me.
00:17:56.740 Number three, he needs to pay you mahr, dowry. 0.59
00:17:59.480 That's your security.
00:18:00.240 If he leaves you and goes, you have security for you and your kids.
00:18:02.540 Number four, the money that you make is yours.
00:18:04.460 He cannot touch it.
00:18:05.300 He has to provide and protect for everything and he's your full-time bodyguard.
00:18:08.180 But isn't that too hard on men?
00:18:10.060 It doesn't...
00:18:10.980 It is.
00:18:11.440 And also...
00:18:12.300 Let me tell you something.
00:18:13.100 Let me tell you something.
00:18:13.600 It is hard on men.
00:18:14.560 But we say, if God said it, we obey.
00:18:16.300 We don't come and say, no, if God said it, I will do my duty.
00:18:19.260 It is hard.
00:18:19.760 Believe me, as men, it is very difficult for me to be the provider and protector.
00:18:23.480 And my wife...
00:18:24.080 Look, I come and say, why is my wife sitting at home? 0.99
00:18:25.660 She can go work. 0.97
00:18:26.300 I want to sit at home.
00:18:27.260 I enjoy it.
00:18:28.640 But at the same time, I do it because God told me to, sister.
00:18:30.820 So what I'm saying is, Islam has come. 0.89
00:18:33.020 The greatest...
00:18:33.680 Let me tell you something.
00:18:34.320 Read this book, Beauty Sick.
00:18:36.560 Please read it.
00:18:37.240 I really encourage you, sister, yeah?
00:18:38.760 Islam honors women.
00:18:40.180 The Western system has degraded women to such a sexual object that they think... 1.00
00:18:43.980 Ah, tax.
00:18:45.000 Stop, stop, stop.
00:18:46.260 Bro.
00:18:47.320 Are you with him?
00:18:48.200 No, I'm not.
00:18:49.440 Okay, yeah.
00:18:50.040 So interesting, yeah.
00:18:50.680 But can I ask something?
00:18:51.400 Yes, what's up?
00:18:52.160 Then why is, under Sharia law, a man's testimony is equal to two women's testimony? 0.87
00:18:56.980 Because it depends...
00:18:57.540 Okay, for example, we know...
00:18:58.620 That's fucking sexist.
00:18:59.600 Sorry.
00:19:00.300 It is, but let's put it...
00:19:02.080 Let's dissect it.
00:19:03.060 The reason why there is, sister, is because in certain circumstances, women, generally, 1.00
00:19:07.440 they are the housemakers.
00:19:08.560 They are not involved in business.
00:19:10.460 Like the Prophet's first wife of Khatija, she was a businesswoman. 0.98
00:19:12.680 But not every woman is that.
00:19:13.900 So in certain circumstances, for example, also women can be more... 1.00
00:19:17.400 Do you agree women are more emotional than men?
00:19:19.100 Don't tell me that's misogynistic.
00:19:21.460 That's a biological fact.
00:19:22.860 Women are more emotional. 1.00
00:19:23.760 It's fine.
00:19:24.540 I'm stronger than you.
00:19:25.280 Women are more neurotic than men. 1.00
00:19:26.620 Good.
00:19:27.020 So what it says is that, for example, if a murder happens here, two people get shocked.
00:19:30.100 Bang, bang, bang. 0.89
00:19:30.880 As a man, I have got instinct of, bruv, I'm like, I'm going to get involved.
00:19:34.260 Women might be like, oh my gosh, run for my life. 1.00
00:19:36.560 That's natural.
00:19:37.320 Why can't I remember things?
00:19:39.680 Sorry?
00:19:40.020 Why can't I remember things?
00:19:41.000 No, no, no.
00:19:41.560 It says, for example, in certain instances, when it comes to business, when it comes to
00:19:44.940 certain instances, for example, if a murder happened here, as men, the way we are
00:19:48.580 created is different.
00:19:50.040 For you, it's...
00:19:50.460 But I can see what happened.
00:19:51.520 No, no, no.
00:19:52.220 No.
00:19:52.840 Sister, if gunshots are heard, yes?
00:19:54.940 Okay.
00:19:55.540 You, as a feminine woman, you would be like, oh my gosh, survival. 1.00
00:20:00.260 I want to protect myself.
00:20:00.980 So much...
00:20:01.560 So much...
00:20:01.980 Yeah, but I can still see it.
00:20:02.880 I know, I know.
00:20:03.540 What I'm saying is this, sister.
00:20:04.500 In certain circumstances, Allah says, let them have two witnesses, certain circumstances.
00:20:09.300 You know why?
00:20:09.980 Because Aisha, the Prophet's wife, he was talking about, she was one of the biggest 0.62
00:20:13.420 followers of Islam.
00:20:14.380 She didn't need two witnesses to teach. 0.83
00:20:16.660 Do you see my point?
00:20:17.580 It's...
00:20:17.860 That's incoherent.
00:20:18.720 No.
00:20:19.200 It's in certain circumstances.
00:20:21.240 What circumstances?
00:20:22.360 Look, look.
00:20:22.960 Sometimes...
00:20:23.520 In law?
00:20:24.040 No.
00:20:24.600 Look, for example, business.
00:20:25.420 When there is a...
00:20:26.140 Business, for example, if a woman is not involved in business dealings, she needs another 1.00
00:20:29.200 woman to correct her. 0.98
00:20:30.080 For example...
00:20:30.920 But how is that relevant to giving testimony in court?
00:20:33.060 It is.
00:20:33.420 For example, if I'm doing a business with my friend here, yes?
00:20:36.320 And for example, they need to witness a woman.
00:20:38.100 The woman's not involved in business. 1.00
00:20:39.060 So she doesn't know anything about numbers.
00:20:40.260 Yeah, but I'm a law student.
00:20:42.120 I will be a lawyer.
00:20:43.080 But that's specific circumstance.
00:20:45.060 It will be such a shame if I went to court and they said, nah, you got to bring one more
00:20:49.500 witness to support your witness.
00:20:51.560 Because you know why?
00:20:52.360 I'm a lawyer.
00:20:53.220 There was a wet nurse of a woman. 1.00
00:20:57.320 Her testimony was enough on her own when she talked about who she suckled. 1.00
00:21:02.960 They didn't say, oh, you are a woman. 0.98
00:21:04.460 In certain circumstances, Islam is pragmatic. 0.95
00:21:07.280 It deals with the reality of the world.
00:21:08.600 Okay, so for example, did we have female soldiers in Islam? 0.75
00:21:11.740 Yes, but rare instances.
00:21:13.680 We're talking about generally.
00:21:16.660 It's a general thing.
00:21:17.600 Yeah, but then why do you generalize like that?
00:21:19.620 Two women equal to one man? 1.00
00:21:21.060 No, no, no, no.
00:21:21.880 You said that it was a rule.
00:21:22.700 I said generally, it is woman's witness is equal.
00:21:25.920 But in specific situations, it is not.
00:21:29.680 And that's pragmatic.
00:21:31.500 Mate.
00:21:32.260 Yes, mate.
00:21:32.600 Are you friends?
00:21:33.720 Sorry?
00:21:34.060 Are you friends?
00:21:35.600 Yeah, I mean, yeah.
00:21:36.540 When is his birthday?
00:21:37.800 I have no idea.
00:21:38.600 Exactly.
00:21:39.500 What's your friend?
00:21:40.060 No, I don't know.
00:21:40.860 Exactly.
00:21:41.320 Men don't remember. 0.99
00:21:42.040 You don't know his birthday.
00:21:42.860 You don't remember.
00:21:43.520 Sometimes I forget my children's birthday.
00:21:45.380 Yeah, exactly.
00:21:46.980 We don't say their birthday as well.
00:21:47.780 Yeah, I want you guys to hear this.
00:21:48.800 You don't remember your birthday.
00:21:49.980 It's like my teacher.
00:21:50.660 No, I don't know his birthday.
00:21:51.560 I'll be honest with you.
00:21:52.080 Sometimes I forget my daughter's birthday.
00:21:52.980 My wife tells me off.
00:21:54.020 Men have bad memory.
00:21:56.340 That's what I'm saying.
00:21:57.080 Women have better memory. 1.00
00:21:57.900 We keep the receipts of everything.
00:21:59.020 No, that's what I'm saying.
00:21:59.780 For example, in a court, a sharia court, it might be that a man who has bad memory is
00:22:03.600 fully rejected and a woman who has good memory is accepted.
00:22:05.500 Yeah, but by default, by default, you say two women equal to one man. 0.99
00:22:09.640 By default, you say that.
00:22:10.780 No, no, no, no.
00:22:10.900 I said to your sister, in specific situations, generally, for example, I gave you the instances.
00:22:16.940 I told you in certain.
00:22:18.080 Generally, it's accepted.
00:22:19.540 Business?
00:22:19.720 Yes, because women are the housemakers. 1.00
00:22:21.420 My cousin that's consulting, will she need another? 0.94
00:22:23.440 My cousin that's consulting.
00:22:24.680 She's a female. 1.00
00:22:25.600 Does she need?
00:22:26.420 That's what I'm saying.
00:22:27.320 If she knows in that specific instance, it will change.
00:22:31.020 I'm talking about generally women's testimony is the same. 0.99
00:22:33.920 But in certain circumstances.
00:22:35.000 That's what I don't like about Islam. 1.00
00:22:36.060 You generalize everything.
00:22:37.440 No, we don't generalize.
00:22:38.260 You generalize.
00:22:39.240 You just generalize it.
00:22:40.660 You just said it.
00:22:41.480 You generalize it.
00:22:42.240 Sister, I said generally a woman's testimony.
00:22:44.580 Generally means generalized.
00:22:47.280 A woman's testimony is the same as a man, generally.
00:22:49.980 Generally.
00:22:50.340 But do you not accept that?
00:22:53.000 Yes.
00:22:53.440 Yes.
00:22:53.960 I'm saying in certain circumstances, it's not.
00:22:56.940 Circumstances?
00:22:57.620 Yes.
00:22:57.900 As in what?
00:22:58.540 It changes.
00:22:59.000 I gave you the example, sister.
00:22:59.920 You want to go over it again and again?
00:23:00.940 Why can it never be two men equal to one woman? 1.00
00:23:03.860 Why?
00:23:04.580 No, no.
00:23:05.200 Sister, I've already explained to you.
00:23:07.220 Okay?
00:23:07.380 You don't trust men, so you tell them to lower their gaze, yet you trust their testimony.
00:23:13.260 That's to teach men how to behave. 0.97
00:23:14.900 The Western world doesn't teach.
00:23:15.760 Because Allah doesn't trust how men should behave, so that's why they say lower your gaze. 0.84
00:23:19.920 No, no, no.
00:23:20.320 It also tells a woman to lower her gaze as well, but it tells the men first. 0.65
00:23:22.460 What I'm saying is this.
00:23:23.260 In today's system, who's blamed more?
00:23:26.000 The man.
00:23:26.740 I mean, the woman.
00:23:27.860 The men are not trained to respect women.
00:23:29.700 They're not.
00:23:30.100 I had to leave, though.
00:23:30.880 I have a train.
00:23:31.480 No, that's fine.
00:23:32.060 But what I'm saying is this stuff.
00:23:32.900 Where's Piccadilly Circus?
00:23:34.900 Yeah.
00:23:35.380 Piccadilly Circus, that's that way.
00:23:36.880 Yeah.
00:23:36.920 The metro station.
00:23:37.960 That's Leicester Square.
00:23:39.040 What?
00:23:39.260 Are you getting the Piccadilly line?
00:23:40.560 Yeah, Leicester Square.
00:23:41.840 Bakerloo line?
00:23:43.300 Yeah, go to Piccadilly Circus.
00:23:45.000 Yeah.
00:23:45.340 Go that way.
00:23:46.460 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:47.260 Read it.
00:23:47.760 Have you read it before?
00:23:49.420 Yeah, no, I heard it.
00:23:50.460 Give it a chance.
00:23:53.000 Look, listen to me.
00:23:53.880 Come here again.
00:23:54.920 What day is you here?
00:23:55.720 I don't believe in God.
00:23:57.020 You do believe in God.
00:23:57.760 I just believe you believe in God.
00:23:58.680 You do.
00:23:58.980 Don't look.
00:23:59.480 Don't be.
00:23:59.940 I respect people.
00:24:00.620 Don't be stubborn.
00:24:01.480 You believe in God.
00:24:02.060 I'm not being stubborn.
00:24:02.440 You are.
00:24:02.820 You know God exists.
00:24:03.460 I respect you.
00:24:04.180 You know God exists.
00:24:04.780 I respect you.
00:24:05.320 I respect that you believe in God.
00:24:06.520 But I don't believe in God.
00:24:07.680 You do believe in God.
00:24:08.000 But thank you for your offer too.
00:24:09.280 But you did.
00:24:09.800 We just talked about your eye.
00:24:11.280 It's made out of DNA.
00:24:11.840 No, I don't believe.
00:24:12.580 When I pray, all I see is four walls.
00:24:14.440 I don't see anything.
00:24:15.640 Okay, so you don't believe Wi-Fi exists?
00:24:17.120 You do you.
00:24:17.500 I respect you.
00:24:18.320 I respect you guys.
00:24:19.240 Do you believe Wi-Fi exists?
00:24:20.820 Huh?
00:24:21.320 Wi-Fi.
00:24:21.840 Do you believe it exists or you say it doesn't exist?
00:24:22.980 Yeah, Wi-Fi does exist.
00:24:24.080 How do you know?
00:24:24.560 Prove it.
00:24:26.780 Calculations, equations.
00:24:28.100 What's that?
00:24:28.760 That's, that's, uh, what's that?
00:24:29.640 It exists.
00:24:34.780 But we don't see God.
00:24:35.740 You don't believe him.
00:24:36.700 You have to be consistent.
00:24:37.280 Yeah, but you can't plot anything.
00:24:38.940 They're like waves.
00:24:40.560 No, how?
00:24:41.080 Show me.
00:24:41.840 I want to test.
00:24:42.460 I want to field test touch.
00:24:43.820 I don't have Wi-Fi.
00:24:44.960 No, I got Wi-Fi.
00:24:46.020 Show me.
00:24:46.480 Look, I got Wi-Fi right now.
00:24:47.580 My hotspot.
00:24:48.120 My hotspot.
00:24:48.640 My hotspot is connected to my laptop.
00:24:49.800 Show me.
00:24:50.000 I want to see the waves.
00:24:50.420 Just look up.
00:24:51.240 My other Wi-Fi is real.
00:24:52.480 Wi-Fi is real.
00:24:53.520 No, how is it real?
00:24:54.080 Just prove it to me right now.
00:24:54.880 Look, it's connected to my phone.
00:24:55.700 You can turn off and turn on the Wi-Fi.
00:24:57.460 It doesn't prove anything.
00:24:58.940 Show me.
00:24:59.400 No, it does.
00:24:59.620 It doesn't.
00:24:59.960 Show me.
00:25:00.200 I need to leave my market.
00:25:01.040 Okay.
00:25:01.660 No problem.
00:25:01.960 Nice talking.
00:25:02.340 We're here every Friday and Sunday.
00:25:03.320 He's there, right?
00:25:04.040 Yeah.
00:25:04.460 Yeah, yeah.
00:25:04.940 Please.
00:25:05.260 I mean, again, I respect you.
00:25:07.440 It is.
00:25:08.000 It is.
00:25:08.200 But I think...
00:25:09.200 I don't care.
00:25:09.980 No, no.
00:25:10.280 That's fine.
00:25:10.980 But know that you have a designer.
00:25:12.480 Someone's pretty.
00:25:13.020 You didn't come from nothing.
00:25:14.160 You know that very well.
00:25:15.000 That's your opinion.
00:25:15.180 This is my opinion.
00:25:15.980 It's my opinion.
00:25:16.460 It's a reality.
00:25:17.260 No, it's not.
00:25:18.180 So you came from nothing.
00:25:19.240 Look, I respect you.
00:25:19.720 So you came from nothing?
00:25:20.920 You came from nothing?
00:25:21.680 I don't know.
00:25:22.120 I don't know.
00:25:22.400 I'm agnostic.
00:25:23.020 I don't know.
00:25:24.140 That's why I respect you.
00:25:25.560 That's fine.
00:25:26.180 Come back.
00:25:26.880 We're here for next Friday.
00:25:28.260 No.
00:25:29.400 Okay.
00:25:30.100 All right.
00:25:30.420 Take care.
00:25:31.260 Take care.
00:25:32.540 Well, that escalated.