Ali Dawah - August 14, 2019


GIRL INSULTS ALLAH & GETS PUT IN PLACE - SPEAKERS CORNER


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Length

11 minutes

Words per minute

220.0084

Word count

2,444

Sentence count

400

Harmful content

Misogyny

11

sentences flagged

Toxicity

5

sentences flagged

Hate speech

10

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In this episode, we talk about the time I put a woman in her place and how she felt about it, and how I handled it. We also talk about a woman who accused me of calling her a jihadi, and why I won't talk to her again.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Asalaamu alaykum guys, before the video starts, Misk, do check it out.
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00:00:12.100 And you are the same woman looking at me in the eyes, insulting Allah, 1.00
00:00:15.960 and you were upset because I said I put you in your place.
00:00:18.320 I put you in your place.
00:00:19.160 You made your point.
00:00:20.020 And you were stuck in your place.
00:00:21.340 That people cannot answer it, why are they believing in things that you cannot answer?
00:00:32.720 Right?
00:00:33.080 Excuse me, madam.
00:00:33.900 Firstly, we have a bit of a history.
00:00:37.000 So, yes we do.
00:00:38.780 Yes we do.
00:00:39.660 Are you not the person I speak to on Twitter?
00:00:42.640 You weren't speaking to me, you were retweeting me.
00:00:45.560 Oh, so sorry.
00:00:46.560 Thank you for specific...
00:00:47.580 No, it wasn't retweeting, it was algorithms.
00:00:50.060 Just...
00:00:50.460 You know I study tech, right?
00:00:54.140 So I know what algorithms are and that's what it is, right?
00:00:56.240 Okay.
00:00:56.920 So Twitter doesn't work with algorithms?
00:00:59.380 No, it does, but that's not an algorithm.
00:01:01.500 You weren't...
00:01:01.860 No, but you're being specific.
00:01:02.980 I'm saying I was speaking...
00:01:03.620 No, it was a tweet.
00:01:04.760 No, you're semantic.
00:01:05.780 I was speaking...
00:01:06.240 No, it was a tweet.
00:01:07.320 No, it wasn't a tweet.
00:01:08.100 It was me typing.
00:01:08.920 No, it was me typing.
00:01:09.580 It was electric.
00:01:10.720 Can I help you?
00:01:12.540 I need it.
00:01:13.340 You can order on Amazon.
00:01:14.860 It's the top seller.
00:01:15.640 If I had another copy, I would have given it to you.
00:01:17.620 But I need it to reference.
00:01:18.540 You can order on Amazon, a top seller.
00:01:21.920 No, Ali, I don't want to give you my money.
00:01:23.960 To be honest, it's me.
00:01:24.660 It's my teacher.
00:01:26.760 Because he's silencing women when they talk. 0.95
00:01:28.960 Yes, when he gives me the funding, I go and meet my wife at home.
00:01:32.120 I go, this is what they...
00:01:33.160 I hope your wife gives you what for at home.
00:01:36.780 Give me what?
00:01:37.360 I hope she gives me, like...
00:01:39.300 Basically...
00:01:39.980 It means that attitude.
00:01:41.820 My attitude is quite good.
00:01:42.940 I don't have attitude.
00:01:44.000 I'm here.
00:01:44.360 Salaam Kona.
00:01:45.860 Look, here we are.
00:01:46.540 One more time.
00:01:48.040 Yeah, let's meet this.
00:01:50.180 Okay.
00:01:50.620 Can we just finish this?
00:01:52.620 Yes.
00:01:53.080 I have, like, ten minutes to write.
00:01:54.360 Where do you want to be?
00:01:57.880 All right.
00:01:59.040 You've got to give me a chance.
00:02:01.080 Okay, Salaam, talk.
00:02:02.420 Great.
00:02:02.780 Where are we talking about?
00:02:03.220 Can we have it in the middle?
00:02:04.200 Talk to you, Ben.
00:02:04.880 I'm closing my face.
00:02:06.260 Yeah, but the microphone needs to be...
00:02:07.920 It's not a good microphone.
00:02:08.880 Let's close it that way and I'll be louder. 0.87
00:02:11.060 All right.
00:02:11.300 Okay, what were you guys talking about on Twitter?
00:02:12.920 Um, so, I think...
00:02:15.320 She was hurt because I turned my back to her.
00:02:17.240 You didn't turn your back on me?
00:02:18.540 Yes, I did.
00:02:19.260 No, she had the old recording.
00:02:20.600 Did you see the whole recording?
00:02:21.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:22.040 No, no, all of it, all of it, all of it.
00:02:22.960 Yeah, well, the end part...
00:02:23.720 I was living it, yeah.
00:02:24.360 Yeah, the end part, no.
00:02:25.700 You didn't turn your back on me.
00:02:27.380 I didn't.
00:02:27.620 I think it's such...
00:02:28.420 The camera's not going to see her if you do that.
00:02:29.940 It's such...
00:02:30.860 It's so sad that you feel the need to end a discussion
00:02:36.140 and I put her in her place or I swept the floor with her. 1.00
00:02:39.700 No, I didn't say that.
00:02:40.400 I didn't say step.
00:02:40.840 I said I would put her in her place. 1.00
00:02:42.320 Yes, and that was not true.
00:02:44.020 It was true. 0.75
00:02:44.780 No, but that's...
00:02:45.940 Can I finish my face?
00:02:46.660 Yes, yes, yes.
00:02:47.240 Right?
00:02:47.660 So, if you let me talk, I'll let you go, right?
00:02:50.040 Because it's disrespectful and I won't talk to her.
00:02:53.780 I think it's so disappointing that you have to finish an argument with
00:02:57.940 I put her in her place. 1.00
00:02:59.380 That is not a constructive discussion.
00:03:01.400 That is nothing.
00:03:02.280 I never said that.
00:03:03.300 I never dehumanised.
00:03:04.200 Somebody even called you a jihadi and you know who took your side? 1.00
00:03:06.880 But you know why I did that?
00:03:08.000 Because you're not.
00:03:08.740 Because from what I know, you're not.
00:03:09.700 I'll do the same if it's because...
00:03:10.820 I'll do the same if someone's lying against you.
00:03:13.640 I don't know this.
00:03:14.380 You claim that, but I don't know this.
00:03:16.360 But anyway, I would not conflate those terms.
00:03:19.340 But the fact that you had to go to that extent to win an argument,
00:03:23.640 it was never about winning.
00:03:24.720 It was about having discussion.
00:03:26.020 How two people can disagree fundamentally on religion, right?
00:03:30.020 Yes.
00:03:30.540 I'm an atheist.
00:03:31.460 You're a Muslim. 0.98
00:03:32.380 I left Islam. 1.00
00:03:33.300 We disagree on it.
00:03:33.980 You claim you left Islam.
00:03:35.460 We're not going back there.
00:03:36.480 We are going to go back there.
00:03:37.080 We can go back there.
00:03:37.920 Yeah.
00:03:38.080 That's what you want.
00:03:38.860 What do you mean you claim?
00:03:40.080 Claims.
00:03:40.400 Oh, I'll get to it.
00:03:41.220 Okay.
00:03:41.600 Okay, cool.
00:03:42.640 We can disagree fundamentally, but the fact that you had to put that, call me having girly
00:03:49.340 issues...
00:03:49.860 Yeah, maybe.
00:03:50.380 It is very...
00:03:51.180 You don't know that.
00:03:52.080 I don't know, but you was behaving like that.
00:03:54.080 So, are you having manly issues?
00:03:56.560 Maybe I was that day.
00:03:57.560 Okay, well, is that okay for me to say?
00:03:59.780 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:04:00.600 Okay, listen, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:04:02.300 If you believe I was having manly issues...
00:04:03.540 Do you not realise how condescending that sounds and how weak that makes your argument?
00:04:07.540 Oh, are you?
00:04:07.980 And how you push away other women, even if they're women and they're Muslims and they
00:04:12.300 agree with you on your beliefs.
00:04:16.520 When somebody says you have girly issues, how would you girls feel? 1.00
00:04:19.520 Don't point the camera at them.
00:04:21.100 Would you like it if somebody says you're having girly issues because you disagree, no 1.00
00:04:24.700 matter what it is?
00:04:25.700 It's not okay.
00:04:26.940 I would never say it.
00:04:27.780 It's condescending.
00:04:27.880 So, are you upset?
00:04:29.160 No.
00:04:29.720 I am trying to pull you out on how discussions should be made.
00:04:32.760 Okay.
00:04:33.140 We can disagree.
00:04:34.300 Yes.
00:04:34.480 We can still respect each other, right?
00:04:36.760 This is interesting.
00:04:37.680 Carry on.
00:04:37.960 Carry on.
00:04:38.080 We can disagree.
00:04:38.580 We can respect each other.
00:04:39.680 Yes.
00:04:40.060 And we don't have to put people in places.
00:04:41.860 We can have a conversation going like, we disagreed.
00:04:44.460 Okay.
00:04:44.660 And that's fine, right?
00:04:45.580 Okay.
00:04:46.060 And the reason that clip was uploaded, one, it wasn't edited.
00:04:49.620 It was exactly what I had.
00:04:51.020 And the armin uploaded the whole thing.
00:04:53.160 Yeah.
00:04:53.500 And there was nothing more to it.
00:04:54.900 Yeah.
00:04:55.060 Right?
00:04:55.800 And I felt like that was just very, not disrespectful, but it was just, it just made your argument
00:05:03.220 weaker.
00:05:04.180 When you feel like you're going to pull.
00:05:04.820 That's what you're going to do.
00:05:05.320 That's what you're going to do.
00:05:05.660 Yeah.
00:05:05.900 I feel like I debate people and I have Muslim families and we disagree fundamentally.
00:05:11.700 If you want to be heard, you need to listen.
00:05:14.860 You need to listen.
00:05:15.740 Okay.
00:05:16.740 Okay?
00:05:16.800 Yeah.
00:05:17.800 That's what I learned from all of this.
00:05:18.800 Okay.
00:05:19.800 Right?
00:05:20.800 That you need to listen.
00:05:21.800 You need to listen.
00:05:22.800 And that's where my distaste is for you putting me in my place.
00:05:25.420 Okay. 0.89
00:05:26.420 Because you're not only showing to other people or other Muslims that you're a sexist, but 0.84
00:05:32.700 you're pushing people away.
00:05:34.420 You're literally, somebody commented on your wall.
00:05:36.300 They're like, Ali, this is not you.
00:05:37.520 And then you started calling me a girl.
00:05:38.520 No, that is me.
00:05:39.520 And then you started calling me a girl.
00:05:40.520 No, that is me.
00:05:41.520 I'm not offended.
00:05:42.520 Yeah.
00:05:43.520 But don't you think you should be better than that then?
00:05:44.520 No, no, not at all.
00:05:45.520 That ending debates or arguments by, you know, things like, I put her in her place, sweeping 0.99
00:05:51.520 the floor with her.
00:05:52.520 I never said sweeping the floor.
00:05:53.520 Put her in her place. 0.97
00:05:54.520 Yeah.
00:05:55.520 You don't put her down.
00:05:56.520 Yeah.
00:05:57.520 You don't think they're condescending.
00:05:58.520 Okay?
00:05:59.520 No.
00:06:00.520 You don't think they're condescending.
00:06:01.520 No, not at all.
00:06:02.520 Okay, so you're going to keep that position.
00:06:03.520 Yeah.
00:06:04.520 I can call.
00:06:05.520 I'll tell you what.
00:06:06.520 No.
00:06:07.520 But let me speak as well.
00:06:08.520 Tell me why.
00:06:09.520 I can call.
00:06:10.520 Let me speak as well, yeah?
00:06:11.520 Come on.
00:06:12.520 Okay.
00:06:13.520 So you've come here.
00:06:14.520 Because you seem upset.
00:06:16.520 And you seem-
00:06:17.520 I'm not upset.
00:06:18.520 Let me finish, yeah?
00:06:19.520 You seem upset and emotional because I said that I put you in your place.
00:06:22.520 And I'll stick by it.
00:06:24.520 Why?
00:06:25.520 I turn my back against you.
00:06:26.520 Yeah?
00:06:27.520 And you was very annoyed about that.
00:06:28.520 Now, why was you annoyed about that?
00:06:29.520 You're talking about being respectful.
00:06:31.520 You're talking about all these things.
00:06:33.520 And when I listen to you, I'll be honest with you.
00:06:35.520 Look, I'm peaceful.
00:06:37.520 Yeah?
00:06:38.520 That doesn't mean that if I feel threatened, I'm not going to fight.
00:06:41.520 That doesn't mean I throw roses around.
00:06:43.520 I don't want to say that.
00:06:44.520 That doesn't mean I throw roses about.
00:06:45.520 That doesn't mean I'm like Christian who says, God is love, love, love, love.
00:06:48.520 Sorry.
00:06:49.520 There's a time and place for everything.
00:06:51.520 And there's a time and place for each individual as well.
00:06:53.520 Right.
00:06:54.520 So I believe at that point you deserve that.
00:06:55.520 And I stick by that.
00:06:56.520 Okay.
00:06:57.520 You are somebody who's coming here emotionally, talking like you're going to make us cry when
00:07:01.520 you're the same person who came and insulted Allah.
00:07:05.520 You're swearing at Allah.
00:07:06.520 And now you're upset emotionally.
00:07:10.520 Yeah?
00:07:11.520 Because you felt that I upset you or offended you.
00:07:14.520 And you are the same woman looking at me in the eyes, insulting Allah. 1.00
00:07:17.520 And you were upset because I said, I'll put you in your place.
00:07:19.520 I'll put you in your place.
00:07:20.520 You made your point.
00:07:21.520 And you were stuck in your place.
00:07:22.520 And my turn.
00:07:23.520 And my turn.
00:07:24.520 So please.
00:07:25.520 I don't want to talk.
00:07:26.520 No, no.
00:07:27.520 You insulted Allah. 0.71
00:07:28.520 Do you apologize?
00:07:29.520 Right.
00:07:30.520 Do you apologize?
00:07:31.520 I'm not going to apologize for you.
00:07:32.520 Then I don't want to talk to you.
00:07:33.520 No, no.
00:07:34.520 He was talking.
00:07:35.520 He just said he doesn't want to talk to you.
00:07:36.520 I shouldn't hate to apologize.
00:07:37.520 Swearing at Allah and then have to upset because I stopped feeling it.
00:07:39.520 Now.
00:07:40.520 Okay.
00:07:41.520 Well.
00:07:42.520 Can I finish?
00:07:43.520 Even him.
00:07:44.520 Now you are being emotional.
00:07:45.520 This is what you're being.
00:07:46.520 You're being emotional.
00:07:47.520 Can I finish?
00:07:48.520 I'm talking to him.
00:07:49.520 I'm talking to him.
00:07:50.520 I'm not upset.
00:07:51.520 I think.
00:07:52.520 No.
00:07:53.520 No.
00:07:54.520 She said it first.
00:07:55.520 Let me finish.
00:07:56.520 Let me finish.
00:07:57.520 When I'm done, you guys can interject.
00:07:59.520 Okay.
00:08:00.520 Let me finish.
00:08:01.520 I think insulting an idea is different than insulting people.
00:08:05.520 I took your side and I did not insult you.
00:08:07.520 Thank you for taking my side.
00:08:08.520 Thank you.
00:08:09.520 Let me finish.
00:08:10.520 Yes.
00:08:11.520 Okay.
00:08:12.520 I let you talk.
00:08:13.520 My turn to talk.
00:08:14.520 Yes.
00:08:15.520 Sorry.
00:08:16.520 Let me just clean this up a bit.
00:08:17.520 Insulting an idea is very different from insulting a person.
00:08:18.520 Yes.
00:08:19.520 Right?
00:08:20.520 No.
00:08:21.520 No.
00:08:22.520 Yes it is.
00:08:23.520 No.
00:08:24.520 Okay.
00:08:25.520 Well.
00:08:26.520 Can you respect my idea that I don't think your God is real and that I do not like your God
00:08:28.520 and his sadistic.
00:08:29.520 Can you respect that?
00:08:30.520 You can't respect if you said you don't believe in my God.
00:08:32.520 But if you swear.
00:08:33.520 Yeah.
00:08:34.520 Okay.
00:08:35.520 Then why can't you respect my idea about it?
00:08:36.520 I disagree with your world view.
00:08:39.520 But I don't insult you or insult someone that's dear to you.
00:08:45.520 You're saying I can swear at Allah.
00:08:46.520 Some being.
00:08:47.520 Some being.
00:08:48.520 Yes.
00:08:49.520 Yes.
00:08:50.520 But Allah says to us, if people like you come. 0.70
00:08:51.520 Okay.
00:08:52.520 All I did was turn my back.
00:08:53.520 I didn't swear at you.
00:08:54.520 I wasn't talking to you.
00:08:55.520 I didn't drop to your level.
00:08:56.520 I said look.
00:08:57.520 Talk to my back.
00:08:58.520 I wasn't even talking to you.
00:08:59.520 That's all I did.
00:09:00.520 I was talking to your mate with the beard.
00:09:01.520 No you were talking to me but I cut it.
00:09:02.520 I cut it and he couldn't take it.
00:09:03.520 Ali.
00:09:04.520 Ali.
00:09:05.520 You don't exist in a good discourse.
00:09:06.520 Right?
00:09:07.520 I don't do ego.
00:09:08.520 This is Salaam Kona.
00:09:09.520 I don't do ego.
00:09:10.520 I'm talking to him.
00:09:11.520 No.
00:09:12.520 We can talk later.
00:09:13.520 We can talk later.
00:09:14.520 No.
00:09:15.520 We can talk later.
00:09:16.520 I'm not letting anybody else interrupt me.
00:09:17.520 I'm not going to let anybody else interrupt him.
00:09:18.520 Right?
00:09:19.520 Talking to somebody that's dear to you or something that's dear to you does not exist for me.
00:09:23.520 So I can insult him.
00:09:24.520 No problem.
00:09:25.520 You can.
00:09:26.520 I don't want to talk to you then.
00:09:27.520 Yeah.
00:09:28.520 Okay.
00:09:29.520 Cool.
00:09:30.520 I don't want to talk to you.
00:09:31.520 Why did you ask me to come?
00:09:32.520 I didn't ask you to come.
00:09:33.520 You told me.
00:09:34.520 No.
00:09:35.520 No.
00:09:36.520 No.
00:09:37.520 No.
00:09:38.520 No.
00:09:39.520 We've clarified this part.
00:09:40.520 You're somebody who's...
00:09:41.520 I've never insulted you.
00:09:42.520 I didn't call you a name.
00:09:43.520 I didn't insult you.
00:09:44.520 I didn't call you anything.
00:09:45.520 It's very different.
00:09:46.520 You swore at Allah.
00:09:47.520 Now I'm saying I would not like to talk to you anymore.
00:09:49.520 That's okay.
00:09:50.520 Okay.
00:09:51.520 Can I carry on with what I'm doing then?
00:09:52.520 Yeah.
00:09:53.520 You asked me to come.
00:09:54.520 Thank you.
00:09:55.520 You literally asked me to come when I was there.
00:09:56.520 No.
00:09:57.520 Please.
00:09:58.520 It's fine.
00:09:59.520 I don't want to talk to you.
00:10:00.520 Okay.
00:10:01.520 Thank you.
00:10:02.520 By the way, thank you for defending me.
00:10:03.520 Somebody comes and calls you a ho. 0.99
00:10:04.520 I will tell them shut up. 0.97
00:10:05.520 But you already set that precedence by putting me in my place and girly issues. 0.96
00:10:08.520 Me putting me in your place?
00:10:09.520 Do you realize how sexist that was?
00:10:11.520 Madam, madam, madam.
00:10:12.520 You can use those arguments.
00:10:13.520 Sexist, patriarchy.
00:10:14.520 Yeah.
00:10:15.520 These are just little, you know, like I said.
00:10:17.520 Yeah.
00:10:18.520 People can see through it.
00:10:19.520 Okay, cool.
00:10:20.520 You don't come here and cry when you're insulting Allah.
00:10:21.520 I'm not crying.
00:10:22.520 And then I said I'll put you in your place and you're upset just because I did this.
00:10:24.520 That's all I did.
00:10:25.520 I showed them my back.
00:10:26.520 And you're crying.
00:10:27.520 Because you got emotional?
00:10:28.520 Please.
00:10:29.520 Is it because you got emotional?
00:10:30.520 We can see who's emotional.
00:10:31.520 Yeah?
00:10:32.520 And that's the difference between us.
00:10:33.520 Of course there is a difference.
00:10:35.520 You have.
00:10:36.520 You have.
00:10:37.520 You insulted Allah. 0.71
00:10:38.520 I never insulted you.
00:10:39.520 How is turning your back to somebody?
00:10:40.520 Can I speak to you, sir?
00:10:41.520 I just have a Skype call at 6.
00:10:43.520 I see you at half a second.
00:10:44.520 You've got ten minutes.
00:10:45.520 Let's talk.
00:10:46.520 You claim to be an ex-Muslim.
00:10:47.520 I am an ex-Muslim. 0.82
00:10:48.520 Okay.
00:10:49.520 What made you leave Islam?
00:10:50.520 Oh, so my struggle started with Islam, with intersectorial differences.
00:10:56.520 Do you mind coming here?
00:10:57.520 As far as I know.
00:10:58.520 Do you mind giving him space, please?
00:10:59.520 I only, I literally have five minutes.
00:11:01.520 No problem.
00:11:02.520 Five.
00:11:03.520 It's fine.
00:11:04.520 Yes.
00:11:05.520 Yes.