Ali Dawah - August 14, 2019


GIRL INSULTS ALLAH & GETS PUT IN PLACE - SPEAKERS CORNER


Episode Stats

Length

11 minutes

Words per Minute

220.0084

Word Count

2,444

Sentence Count

400

Misogynist Sentences

11

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the time I put a woman in her place and how she felt about it, and how I handled it. We also talk about a woman who accused me of calling her a jihadi, and why I won't talk to her again.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Asalaamu alaykum guys, before the video starts, Misk, do check it out.
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00:00:12.100 And you are the same woman looking at me in the eyes, insulting Allah,
00:00:15.960 and you were upset because I said I put you in your place.
00:00:18.320 I put you in your place.
00:00:19.160 You made your point.
00:00:20.020 And you were stuck in your place.
00:00:21.340 That people cannot answer it, why are they believing in things that you cannot answer?
00:00:32.720 Right?
00:00:33.080 Excuse me, madam.
00:00:33.900 Firstly, we have a bit of a history.
00:00:37.000 So, yes we do.
00:00:38.780 Yes we do.
00:00:39.660 Are you not the person I speak to on Twitter?
00:00:42.640 You weren't speaking to me, you were retweeting me.
00:00:45.560 Oh, so sorry.
00:00:46.560 Thank you for specific...
00:00:47.580 No, it wasn't retweeting, it was algorithms.
00:00:50.060 Just...
00:00:50.460 You know I study tech, right?
00:00:54.140 So I know what algorithms are and that's what it is, right?
00:00:56.240 Okay.
00:00:56.920 So Twitter doesn't work with algorithms?
00:00:59.380 No, it does, but that's not an algorithm.
00:01:01.500 You weren't...
00:01:01.860 No, but you're being specific.
00:01:02.980 I'm saying I was speaking...
00:01:03.620 No, it was a tweet.
00:01:04.760 No, you're semantic.
00:01:05.780 I was speaking...
00:01:06.240 No, it was a tweet.
00:01:07.320 No, it wasn't a tweet.
00:01:08.100 It was me typing.
00:01:08.920 No, it was me typing.
00:01:09.580 It was electric.
00:01:10.720 Can I help you?
00:01:12.540 I need it.
00:01:13.340 You can order on Amazon.
00:01:14.860 It's the top seller.
00:01:15.640 If I had another copy, I would have given it to you.
00:01:17.620 But I need it to reference.
00:01:18.540 You can order on Amazon, a top seller.
00:01:21.920 No, Ali, I don't want to give you my money.
00:01:23.960 To be honest, it's me.
00:01:24.660 It's my teacher.
00:01:26.760 Because he's silencing women when they talk.
00:01:28.960 Yes, when he gives me the funding, I go and meet my wife at home.
00:01:32.120 I go, this is what they...
00:01:33.160 I hope your wife gives you what for at home.
00:01:36.780 Give me what?
00:01:37.360 I hope she gives me, like...
00:01:39.300 Basically...
00:01:39.980 It means that attitude.
00:01:41.820 My attitude is quite good.
00:01:42.940 I don't have attitude.
00:01:44.000 I'm here.
00:01:44.360 Salaam Kona.
00:01:45.860 Look, here we are.
00:01:46.540 One more time.
00:01:48.040 Yeah, let's meet this.
00:01:50.180 Okay.
00:01:50.620 Can we just finish this?
00:01:52.620 Yes.
00:01:53.080 I have, like, ten minutes to write.
00:01:54.360 Where do you want to be?
00:01:57.880 All right.
00:01:59.040 You've got to give me a chance.
00:02:01.080 Okay, Salaam, talk.
00:02:02.420 Great.
00:02:02.780 Where are we talking about?
00:02:03.220 Can we have it in the middle?
00:02:04.200 Talk to you, Ben.
00:02:04.880 I'm closing my face.
00:02:06.260 Yeah, but the microphone needs to be...
00:02:07.920 It's not a good microphone.
00:02:08.880 Let's close it that way and I'll be louder.
00:02:11.060 All right.
00:02:11.300 Okay, what were you guys talking about on Twitter?
00:02:12.920 Um, so, I think...
00:02:15.320 She was hurt because I turned my back to her.
00:02:17.240 You didn't turn your back on me?
00:02:18.540 Yes, I did.
00:02:19.260 No, she had the old recording.
00:02:20.600 Did you see the whole recording?
00:02:21.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:22.040 No, no, all of it, all of it, all of it.
00:02:22.960 Yeah, well, the end part...
00:02:23.720 I was living it, yeah.
00:02:24.360 Yeah, the end part, no.
00:02:25.700 You didn't turn your back on me.
00:02:27.380 I didn't.
00:02:27.620 I think it's such...
00:02:28.420 The camera's not going to see her if you do that.
00:02:29.940 It's such...
00:02:30.860 It's so sad that you feel the need to end a discussion
00:02:36.140 and I put her in her place or I swept the floor with her.
00:02:39.700 No, I didn't say that.
00:02:40.400 I didn't say step.
00:02:40.840 I said I would put her in her place.
00:02:42.320 Yes, and that was not true.
00:02:44.020 It was true.
00:02:44.780 No, but that's...
00:02:45.940 Can I finish my face?
00:02:46.660 Yes, yes, yes.
00:02:47.240 Right?
00:02:47.660 So, if you let me talk, I'll let you go, right?
00:02:50.040 Because it's disrespectful and I won't talk to her.
00:02:53.780 I think it's so disappointing that you have to finish an argument with
00:02:57.940 I put her in her place.
00:02:59.380 That is not a constructive discussion.
00:03:01.400 That is nothing.
00:03:02.280 I never said that.
00:03:03.300 I never dehumanised.
00:03:04.200 Somebody even called you a jihadi and you know who took your side?
00:03:06.880 But you know why I did that?
00:03:08.000 Because you're not.
00:03:08.740 Because from what I know, you're not.
00:03:09.700 I'll do the same if it's because...
00:03:10.820 I'll do the same if someone's lying against you.
00:03:13.640 I don't know this.
00:03:14.380 You claim that, but I don't know this.
00:03:16.360 But anyway, I would not conflate those terms.
00:03:19.340 But the fact that you had to go to that extent to win an argument,
00:03:23.640 it was never about winning.
00:03:24.720 It was about having discussion.
00:03:26.020 How two people can disagree fundamentally on religion, right?
00:03:30.020 Yes.
00:03:30.540 I'm an atheist.
00:03:31.460 You're a Muslim.
00:03:32.380 I left Islam.
00:03:33.300 We disagree on it.
00:03:33.980 You claim you left Islam.
00:03:35.460 We're not going back there.
00:03:36.480 We are going to go back there.
00:03:37.080 We can go back there.
00:03:37.920 Yeah.
00:03:38.080 That's what you want.
00:03:38.860 What do you mean you claim?
00:03:40.080 Claims.
00:03:40.400 Oh, I'll get to it.
00:03:41.220 Okay.
00:03:41.600 Okay, cool.
00:03:42.640 We can disagree fundamentally, but the fact that you had to put that, call me having girly
00:03:49.340 issues...
00:03:49.860 Yeah, maybe.
00:03:50.380 It is very...
00:03:51.180 You don't know that.
00:03:52.080 I don't know, but you was behaving like that.
00:03:54.080 So, are you having manly issues?
00:03:56.560 Maybe I was that day.
00:03:57.560 Okay, well, is that okay for me to say?
00:03:59.780 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:04:00.600 Okay, listen, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:04:02.300 If you believe I was having manly issues...
00:04:03.540 Do you not realise how condescending that sounds and how weak that makes your argument?
00:04:07.540 Oh, are you?
00:04:07.980 And how you push away other women, even if they're women and they're Muslims and they
00:04:12.300 agree with you on your beliefs.
00:04:16.520 When somebody says you have girly issues, how would you girls feel?
00:04:19.520 Don't point the camera at them.
00:04:21.100 Would you like it if somebody says you're having girly issues because you disagree, no
00:04:24.700 matter what it is?
00:04:25.700 It's not okay.
00:04:26.940 I would never say it.
00:04:27.780 It's condescending.
00:04:27.880 So, are you upset?
00:04:29.160 No.
00:04:29.720 I am trying to pull you out on how discussions should be made.
00:04:32.760 Okay.
00:04:33.140 We can disagree.
00:04:34.300 Yes.
00:04:34.480 We can still respect each other, right?
00:04:36.760 This is interesting.
00:04:37.680 Carry on.
00:04:37.960 Carry on.
00:04:38.080 We can disagree.
00:04:38.580 We can respect each other.
00:04:39.680 Yes.
00:04:40.060 And we don't have to put people in places.
00:04:41.860 We can have a conversation going like, we disagreed.
00:04:44.460 Okay.
00:04:44.660 And that's fine, right?
00:04:45.580 Okay.
00:04:46.060 And the reason that clip was uploaded, one, it wasn't edited.
00:04:49.620 It was exactly what I had.
00:04:51.020 And the armin uploaded the whole thing.
00:04:53.160 Yeah.
00:04:53.500 And there was nothing more to it.
00:04:54.900 Yeah.
00:04:55.060 Right?
00:04:55.800 And I felt like that was just very, not disrespectful, but it was just, it just made your argument
00:05:03.220 weaker.
00:05:04.180 When you feel like you're going to pull.
00:05:04.820 That's what you're going to do.
00:05:05.320 That's what you're going to do.
00:05:05.660 Yeah.
00:05:05.900 I feel like I debate people and I have Muslim families and we disagree fundamentally.
00:05:11.700 If you want to be heard, you need to listen.
00:05:14.860 You need to listen.
00:05:15.740 Okay.
00:05:16.740 Okay?
00:05:16.800 Yeah.
00:05:17.800 That's what I learned from all of this.
00:05:18.800 Okay.
00:05:19.800 Right?
00:05:20.800 That you need to listen.
00:05:21.800 You need to listen.
00:05:22.800 And that's where my distaste is for you putting me in my place.
00:05:25.420 Okay.
00:05:26.420 Because you're not only showing to other people or other Muslims that you're a sexist, but
00:05:32.700 you're pushing people away.
00:05:34.420 You're literally, somebody commented on your wall.
00:05:36.300 They're like, Ali, this is not you.
00:05:37.520 And then you started calling me a girl.
00:05:38.520 No, that is me.
00:05:39.520 And then you started calling me a girl.
00:05:40.520 No, that is me.
00:05:41.520 I'm not offended.
00:05:42.520 Yeah.
00:05:43.520 But don't you think you should be better than that then?
00:05:44.520 No, no, not at all.
00:05:45.520 That ending debates or arguments by, you know, things like, I put her in her place, sweeping
00:05:51.520 the floor with her.
00:05:52.520 I never said sweeping the floor.
00:05:53.520 Put her in her place.
00:05:54.520 Yeah.
00:05:55.520 You don't put her down.
00:05:56.520 Yeah.
00:05:57.520 You don't think they're condescending.
00:05:58.520 Okay?
00:05:59.520 No.
00:06:00.520 You don't think they're condescending.
00:06:01.520 No, not at all.
00:06:02.520 Okay, so you're going to keep that position.
00:06:03.520 Yeah.
00:06:04.520 I can call.
00:06:05.520 I'll tell you what.
00:06:06.520 No.
00:06:07.520 But let me speak as well.
00:06:08.520 Tell me why.
00:06:09.520 I can call.
00:06:10.520 Let me speak as well, yeah?
00:06:11.520 Come on.
00:06:12.520 Okay.
00:06:13.520 So you've come here.
00:06:14.520 Because you seem upset.
00:06:16.520 And you seem-
00:06:17.520 I'm not upset.
00:06:18.520 Let me finish, yeah?
00:06:19.520 You seem upset and emotional because I said that I put you in your place.
00:06:22.520 And I'll stick by it.
00:06:24.520 Why?
00:06:25.520 I turn my back against you.
00:06:26.520 Yeah?
00:06:27.520 And you was very annoyed about that.
00:06:28.520 Now, why was you annoyed about that?
00:06:29.520 You're talking about being respectful.
00:06:31.520 You're talking about all these things.
00:06:33.520 And when I listen to you, I'll be honest with you.
00:06:35.520 Look, I'm peaceful.
00:06:37.520 Yeah?
00:06:38.520 That doesn't mean that if I feel threatened, I'm not going to fight.
00:06:41.520 That doesn't mean I throw roses around.
00:06:43.520 I don't want to say that.
00:06:44.520 That doesn't mean I throw roses about.
00:06:45.520 That doesn't mean I'm like Christian who says, God is love, love, love, love.
00:06:48.520 Sorry.
00:06:49.520 There's a time and place for everything.
00:06:51.520 And there's a time and place for each individual as well.
00:06:53.520 Right.
00:06:54.520 So I believe at that point you deserve that.
00:06:55.520 And I stick by that.
00:06:56.520 Okay.
00:06:57.520 You are somebody who's coming here emotionally, talking like you're going to make us cry when
00:07:01.520 you're the same person who came and insulted Allah.
00:07:05.520 You're swearing at Allah.
00:07:06.520 And now you're upset emotionally.
00:07:10.520 Yeah?
00:07:11.520 Because you felt that I upset you or offended you.
00:07:14.520 And you are the same woman looking at me in the eyes, insulting Allah.
00:07:17.520 And you were upset because I said, I'll put you in your place.
00:07:19.520 I'll put you in your place.
00:07:20.520 You made your point.
00:07:21.520 And you were stuck in your place.
00:07:22.520 And my turn.
00:07:23.520 And my turn.
00:07:24.520 So please.
00:07:25.520 I don't want to talk.
00:07:26.520 No, no.
00:07:27.520 You insulted Allah.
00:07:28.520 Do you apologize?
00:07:29.520 Right.
00:07:30.520 Do you apologize?
00:07:31.520 I'm not going to apologize for you.
00:07:32.520 Then I don't want to talk to you.
00:07:33.520 No, no.
00:07:34.520 He was talking.
00:07:35.520 He just said he doesn't want to talk to you.
00:07:36.520 I shouldn't hate to apologize.
00:07:37.520 Swearing at Allah and then have to upset because I stopped feeling it.
00:07:39.520 Now.
00:07:40.520 Okay.
00:07:41.520 Well.
00:07:42.520 Can I finish?
00:07:43.520 Even him.
00:07:44.520 Now you are being emotional.
00:07:45.520 This is what you're being.
00:07:46.520 You're being emotional.
00:07:47.520 Can I finish?
00:07:48.520 I'm talking to him.
00:07:49.520 I'm talking to him.
00:07:50.520 I'm not upset.
00:07:51.520 I think.
00:07:52.520 No.
00:07:53.520 No.
00:07:54.520 She said it first.
00:07:55.520 Let me finish.
00:07:56.520 Let me finish.
00:07:57.520 When I'm done, you guys can interject.
00:07:59.520 Okay.
00:08:00.520 Let me finish.
00:08:01.520 I think insulting an idea is different than insulting people.
00:08:05.520 I took your side and I did not insult you.
00:08:07.520 Thank you for taking my side.
00:08:08.520 Thank you.
00:08:09.520 Let me finish.
00:08:10.520 Yes.
00:08:11.520 Okay.
00:08:12.520 I let you talk.
00:08:13.520 My turn to talk.
00:08:14.520 Yes.
00:08:15.520 Sorry.
00:08:16.520 Let me just clean this up a bit.
00:08:17.520 Insulting an idea is very different from insulting a person.
00:08:18.520 Yes.
00:08:19.520 Right?
00:08:20.520 No.
00:08:21.520 No.
00:08:22.520 Yes it is.
00:08:23.520 No.
00:08:24.520 Okay.
00:08:25.520 Well.
00:08:26.520 Can you respect my idea that I don't think your God is real and that I do not like your God
00:08:28.520 and his sadistic.
00:08:29.520 Can you respect that?
00:08:30.520 You can't respect if you said you don't believe in my God.
00:08:32.520 But if you swear.
00:08:33.520 Yeah.
00:08:34.520 Okay.
00:08:35.520 Then why can't you respect my idea about it?
00:08:36.520 I disagree with your world view.
00:08:39.520 But I don't insult you or insult someone that's dear to you.
00:08:45.520 You're saying I can swear at Allah.
00:08:46.520 Some being.
00:08:47.520 Some being.
00:08:48.520 Yes.
00:08:49.520 Yes.
00:08:50.520 But Allah says to us, if people like you come.
00:08:51.520 Okay.
00:08:52.520 All I did was turn my back.
00:08:53.520 I didn't swear at you.
00:08:54.520 I wasn't talking to you.
00:08:55.520 I didn't drop to your level.
00:08:56.520 I said look.
00:08:57.520 Talk to my back.
00:08:58.520 I wasn't even talking to you.
00:08:59.520 That's all I did.
00:09:00.520 I was talking to your mate with the beard.
00:09:01.520 No you were talking to me but I cut it.
00:09:02.520 I cut it and he couldn't take it.
00:09:03.520 Ali.
00:09:04.520 Ali.
00:09:05.520 You don't exist in a good discourse.
00:09:06.520 Right?
00:09:07.520 I don't do ego.
00:09:08.520 This is Salaam Kona.
00:09:09.520 I don't do ego.
00:09:10.520 I'm talking to him.
00:09:11.520 No.
00:09:12.520 We can talk later.
00:09:13.520 We can talk later.
00:09:14.520 No.
00:09:15.520 We can talk later.
00:09:16.520 I'm not letting anybody else interrupt me.
00:09:17.520 I'm not going to let anybody else interrupt him.
00:09:18.520 Right?
00:09:19.520 Talking to somebody that's dear to you or something that's dear to you does not exist for me.
00:09:23.520 So I can insult him.
00:09:24.520 No problem.
00:09:25.520 You can.
00:09:26.520 I don't want to talk to you then.
00:09:27.520 Yeah.
00:09:28.520 Okay.
00:09:29.520 Cool.
00:09:30.520 I don't want to talk to you.
00:09:31.520 Why did you ask me to come?
00:09:32.520 I didn't ask you to come.
00:09:33.520 You told me.
00:09:34.520 No.
00:09:35.520 No.
00:09:36.520 No.
00:09:37.520 No.
00:09:38.520 No.
00:09:39.520 We've clarified this part.
00:09:40.520 You're somebody who's...
00:09:41.520 I've never insulted you.
00:09:42.520 I didn't call you a name.
00:09:43.520 I didn't insult you.
00:09:44.520 I didn't call you anything.
00:09:45.520 It's very different.
00:09:46.520 You swore at Allah.
00:09:47.520 Now I'm saying I would not like to talk to you anymore.
00:09:49.520 That's okay.
00:09:50.520 Okay.
00:09:51.520 Can I carry on with what I'm doing then?
00:09:52.520 Yeah.
00:09:53.520 You asked me to come.
00:09:54.520 Thank you.
00:09:55.520 You literally asked me to come when I was there.
00:09:56.520 No.
00:09:57.520 Please.
00:09:58.520 It's fine.
00:09:59.520 I don't want to talk to you.
00:10:00.520 Okay.
00:10:01.520 Thank you.
00:10:02.520 By the way, thank you for defending me.
00:10:03.520 Somebody comes and calls you a ho.
00:10:04.520 I will tell them shut up.
00:10:05.520 But you already set that precedence by putting me in my place and girly issues.
00:10:08.520 Me putting me in your place?
00:10:09.520 Do you realize how sexist that was?
00:10:11.520 Madam, madam, madam.
00:10:12.520 You can use those arguments.
00:10:13.520 Sexist, patriarchy.
00:10:14.520 Yeah.
00:10:15.520 These are just little, you know, like I said.
00:10:17.520 Yeah.
00:10:18.520 People can see through it.
00:10:19.520 Okay, cool.
00:10:20.520 You don't come here and cry when you're insulting Allah.
00:10:21.520 I'm not crying.
00:10:22.520 And then I said I'll put you in your place and you're upset just because I did this.
00:10:24.520 That's all I did.
00:10:25.520 I showed them my back.
00:10:26.520 And you're crying.
00:10:27.520 Because you got emotional?
00:10:28.520 Please.
00:10:29.520 Is it because you got emotional?
00:10:30.520 We can see who's emotional.
00:10:31.520 Yeah?
00:10:32.520 And that's the difference between us.
00:10:33.520 Of course there is a difference.
00:10:35.520 You have.
00:10:36.520 You have.
00:10:37.520 You insulted Allah.
00:10:38.520 I never insulted you.
00:10:39.520 How is turning your back to somebody?
00:10:40.520 Can I speak to you, sir?
00:10:41.520 I just have a Skype call at 6.
00:10:43.520 I see you at half a second.
00:10:44.520 You've got ten minutes.
00:10:45.520 Let's talk.
00:10:46.520 You claim to be an ex-Muslim.
00:10:47.520 I am an ex-Muslim.
00:10:48.520 Okay.
00:10:49.520 What made you leave Islam?
00:10:50.520 Oh, so my struggle started with Islam, with intersectorial differences.
00:10:56.520 Do you mind coming here?
00:10:57.520 As far as I know.
00:10:58.520 Do you mind giving him space, please?
00:10:59.520 I only, I literally have five minutes.
00:11:01.520 No problem.
00:11:02.520 Five.
00:11:03.520 It's fine.
00:11:04.520 Yes.
00:11:05.520 Yes.