Ali Dawah - March 21, 2018


HARRY AGREES WITH QURAN VERSE - speakers corner


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18 minutes

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3,634

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586

Harmful content

Misogyny

8

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Toxicity

67

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Hate speech

45

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of whether or not killing innocent people goes against the principle of the Qur'an. Do you agree or disagree with this verse? Do you think it's wrong to kill innocent people?

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00:00:00.000 I'm here to answer your misconception. I don't want you to think that Ali is here to kill you because you're a disbeliever. 0.83
00:00:05.000 I have no problem with me.
00:00:07.000 Believe me, if I saw anybody touching you in this park, I'll be the first to defend you.
00:00:12.000 Doesn't that go against the whole principle of the Qur'an? If you're a disbeliever, I'll say I'll kill him. 1.00
00:00:16.000 I will defend you. 0.99
00:00:21.000 So because he goes against the violent verses in the Qur'an?
00:00:24.000 No, no, no. I go against any kind of violence. I don't believe there's any violence. Verses in the Qur'an that tell to attack innocent people.
00:00:31.000 2191
00:00:32.000 Okay, good. Now we're talking about a different topic. Now, you claim something. Can you show me this verse that talks about killing innocent people?
00:00:39.000 I can get it off on my phone.
00:00:41.000 I really don't want to have a debate about the Qur'an because you will demolish me quite clearly because you're a Muslim, you study the Qur'an. 1.00
00:00:55.000 Sorry?
00:00:56.000 I don't want to get into a debate about the Qur'an.
00:00:58.000 Okay, but then why are you making statements if you're not sure?
00:01:00.000 Because I know there are several verses in the Qur'an.
00:01:03.000 No, show me, show me, show me, show me. 0.99
00:01:06.000 And kill them wherever you overtake them, referring to... 1.00
00:01:09.000 What is this? 1.00
00:01:10.000 2191
00:01:11.000 2191
00:01:12.000 2191, yeah? Okay. Can you go to... just do this here, if you...
00:01:14.000 Hang on, can we just read?
00:01:15.000 Yeah, yeah, just get in context. 2190
00:01:18.000 2190
00:01:19.000 Yeah
00:01:20.000 Ali
00:01:21.000 Okay
00:01:22.000 Ali
00:01:23.000 You just write 2190
00:01:24.000 Ali, are you trying to... currently pushing me out? Can I listen to the conversation? Thank you.
00:01:28.000 Yeah, I'm listening. No, sorry.
00:01:29.000 Carry on, carry on.
00:01:30.000 Ali, can you move me to me?
00:01:33.000 Excuse me.
00:01:34.000 This is 2190
00:01:38.000 Okay, can I listen to the...
00:01:40.000 Fight in the way, Ali
00:01:41.000 Continue, just so I continue. Sorry, sorry.
00:01:43.000 Sorry, where's it going?
00:01:44.000 Where's it going?
00:01:45.000 What are we on?
00:01:46.000 This is 2191
00:01:47.000 Okay, good, good, good. Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect.
00:01:49.000 Okay, good. Yeah, now read it from here.
00:01:51.000 Fight in the way, Ali, those who fight you, but do not drink transgress.
00:01:55.000 Yeah.
00:01:56.000 Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.
00:01:59.000 And 2191 0.99
00:02:00.000 And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them wherever they have expelled you. 1.00
00:02:05.000 And fitnar is worse than killing. Fitnar is disbelief, right? 1.00
00:02:09.000 And do not fight them at... I can't pronounce that Arabic name.
00:02:20.000 Yeah, no, it's okay.
00:02:21.000 Until they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them. Such is recompense with disbelievers. 1.00
00:02:27.000 Has anyone got the Quran? Yeah, carry on. What verse do you want?
00:02:31.000 Can you open the Quran? Can you open the Quran? Yeah.
00:02:35.000 And if they're submissive to Allah? Yeah.
00:02:37.000 Because in Islam, it does mean they're being submissive, doesn't it? 1.00
00:02:40.000 Yeah, in your obedience, not killing other people.
00:02:43.000 So, and if they don't submit...
00:02:44.000 Can I, can you...
00:02:46.000 Sorry, and if they don't submit, be merciful.
00:02:49.000 Okay.
00:02:50.000 If they don't...
00:02:52.000 Yeah, carry on.
00:02:53.000 194, yeah?
00:02:54.000 I'm 194.
00:02:55.000 So, now what?
00:02:56.000 The following verse is...
00:02:57.000 One second.
00:02:58.000 I'm speaking to you, by the way, yeah?
00:03:00.000 I'm speaking to you, by the way, yeah?
00:03:01.000 Just, just...
00:03:02.000 Those type of verses...
00:03:03.000 Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no.
00:03:04.000 No, no, no. You've read a verse.
00:03:05.000 Now we're going to give a context to it, yeah?
00:03:07.000 And I'm...
00:03:08.000 You know what?
00:03:09.000 You know what's going to happen here?
00:03:10.000 You're going to agree with this verse.
00:03:11.000 You're going to say, Ali, I 100% agree with this verse.
00:03:13.000 I bet I won't.
00:03:14.000 I don't think I will.
00:03:15.000 You are. 100% you're going to agree with it.
00:03:17.000 Watch.
00:03:18.000 Because it can be taken out of context.
00:03:19.000 No, no, we cannot.
00:03:21.000 One second.
00:03:22.000 Speech hates speech.
00:03:23.000 Okay, here we go.
00:03:24.000 Okay.
00:03:25.000 Listen to verse, yeah?
00:03:26.000 Let's read it together, yeah?
00:03:27.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you. Stop. 0.92
00:03:32.000 If I come to attack you, what do you do back?
00:03:36.000 I defend you for. 1.00
00:03:38.000 You're a terrorist. 1.00
00:03:40.000 You're a terrorist. 1.00
00:03:41.000 It doesn't work like that.
00:03:42.000 Why doesn't it work like that?
00:03:43.000 Because...
00:03:44.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you. 0.99
00:03:46.000 So who are we supposed to fight?
00:03:48.000 It depends how you see how it can be translated because there are many other translations...
00:03:52.000 No, no, no.
00:03:53.000 Let me tell you the Quran.
00:03:54.000 It's not like the Bible.
00:03:55.000 You don't have like 500 different versions, yeah?
00:03:57.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you. 0.99
00:04:00.000 Yeah?
00:04:01.000 Okay.
00:04:02.000 So...
00:04:03.000 Why do you not let me speak?
00:04:04.000 My freedom of speech.
00:04:05.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you. 0.99
00:04:08.000 What do you understand from that?
00:04:10.000 Again, it depends because you...
00:04:12.000 I forgot your name.
00:04:13.000 What was your name?
00:04:14.000 Harry.
00:04:15.000 Harry, can you tell me?
00:04:16.000 If I said to you, Harry...
00:04:17.000 If I said to you, Harry...
00:04:18.000 So you mean being a disbeliever, I'll put forth. 1.00
00:04:21.000 Yeah.
00:04:22.000 That is against...
00:04:23.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:04:25.000 Many people would say that.
00:04:26.000 No, no, no.
00:04:27.000 Who's many people?
00:04:28.000 You're pre-assuming this.
00:04:29.000 I'm asking you something, yeah?
00:04:30.000 If I said to you, Harry, fight...
00:04:33.000 Jason, the way he fought you.
00:04:36.000 What do you get out of that?
00:04:37.000 Sir, why don't you, first of all, finish all the wars?
00:04:40.000 Thank you!
00:04:41.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you. 0.99
00:04:45.000 But look, look, look, look, look.
00:04:46.000 Guys, guys, please be...
00:04:47.000 The reason I'm talking to you, Harry, yeah?
00:04:49.000 By the way, if I come across aggressive, forgive me, yeah?
00:04:50.000 Because, you know, I just want to dialogue with you.
00:04:52.000 I've got no problem with you.
00:04:53.000 I'm here to live in harmony, yeah?
00:04:55.000 Okay.
00:04:56.000 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you. 0.99
00:04:58.000 Now, automatically, what we get from this is that Allah is saying,
00:05:01.000 Fight them the way they fighted you.
00:05:03.000 Defend yourself.
00:05:04.000 But begin not hostilities.
00:05:06.000 What does that mean?
00:05:07.000 You do not be the transgressors.
00:05:09.000 You be not the ones that fight them first.
00:05:11.000 Allah loves, not the transgressors. 1.00
00:05:14.000 Now, Ibn Kathir, yeah?
00:05:16.000 This is the exegesis, yeah?
00:05:18.000 Ibn Kathir says to this, that when it's talking about transgression,
00:05:22.000 it's talking about, for example, Abu Bakr, one of the companions of the Prophet,
00:05:26.000 said when you go to war, I have ten commandments for you.
00:05:29.000 Do not harm innocent women, children, babies, animals, trees, bees, monks.
00:05:37.000 So, so, so, so...
00:05:39.000 Muhammad broke all that law. 0.99
00:05:41.000 Yes.
00:05:42.000 What happens if they don't submit to Allah?
00:05:44.000 They don't, they don't submit to Allah.
00:05:45.000 They don't.
00:05:46.000 You can't force them.
00:05:47.000 Allah says in the Quran, there is no compulsion in religion.
00:05:48.000 Meaning, I cannot force you.
00:05:50.000 By the way, have you got space?
00:05:51.000 I don't want to constrict you, yeah?
00:05:53.000 Okay.
00:05:54.000 So, so, so, so, so, one second, brothers.
00:05:56.000 So, therefore, in the exegesis, yeah?
00:05:58.000 Ibn Kathir, he says that when Allah talks about transgression, 0.99
00:06:01.000 is saying that in no way, shape or form,
00:06:04.000 when you go to the battlefield, you fight the enemies that fight you.
00:06:07.000 So, he's talking about disbelievers.
00:06:08.000 Because those who were fighting them,
00:06:10.000 you know why they were fighting the Muslims? 0.99
00:06:11.000 Because they believed in God.
00:06:13.000 And they believed in Islam.
00:06:14.000 That's the only reason.
00:06:15.000 So, Allah says here, do not be hostile.
00:06:17.000 Do not transgress.
00:06:18.000 Yeah.
00:06:19.000 So, can we both agree that you can defend yourself,
00:06:21.000 and you should not be the first person that's attacking?
00:06:23.000 Yeah.
00:06:24.000 So, now, what do I say to you?
00:06:25.000 Now, now we're going to go to the next verse, yeah?
00:06:27.000 We both agree on 190 in context, yeah?
00:06:30.000 Can you not deceive that?
00:06:31.000 So, now, yeah?
00:06:32.000 I don't know, I don't go that far.
00:06:34.000 Oh, the deceit you're talking about in the Bible, 1.00
00:06:36.000 where Jesus got deceived by the Satan?
00:06:37.000 No, sorry, I don't do that.
00:06:38.000 I don't agree.
00:06:39.000 Sorry.
00:06:40.000 I still don't agree with the verse.
00:06:41.000 Oh, no, one second.
00:06:42.000 Now, let's go back to the verse then.
00:06:43.000 Tell me what you don't agree with.
00:06:44.000 I don't agree.
00:06:45.000 Well, 2191, I don't agree.
00:06:47.000 No, no, do you agree with 190?
00:06:49.000 190.
00:06:50.000 So, can't we agree with it?
00:06:51.000 Defend yourself and do not be the transgressor.
00:06:53.000 Can we both agree?
00:06:54.000 Yeah.
00:06:55.000 There are so many.
00:06:57.000 Let's go to the next verse. 0.99
00:06:59.000 Let's go to the next verse, yeah?
00:07:00.000 I know.
00:07:01.000 Let's go to the next verse. 0.99
00:07:02.000 Let's go to the next verse. 0.99
00:07:03.000 Let's go to the next verse, yeah?
00:07:04.000 Okay.
00:07:05.000 So, Harry, Harry, Harry.
00:07:06.000 Yeah?
00:07:07.000 By the way, these guys here are hate preachers.
00:07:09.000 Right, okay. 0.99
00:07:10.000 Islamophobes. 1.00
00:07:11.000 Now, and slay them. 0.99
00:07:13.000 Ali, Ali, this is where we're talking about freedom of speech. 0.99
00:07:16.000 Yes.
00:07:17.000 No, but they're hate speeches.
00:07:18.000 You're shutting their arguments down.
00:07:20.000 No, I know.
00:07:21.000 We're feeding the speech.
00:07:22.000 Exactly.
00:07:23.000 No.
00:07:24.000 We're feeding the speech.
00:07:25.000 Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, do you know them?
00:07:30.000 We know them for the past three, four years.
00:07:32.000 You're discrediting what they're saying.
00:07:34.000 Yes.
00:07:35.000 No, no, no.
00:07:36.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:37.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:38.000 Ali, Ali.
00:07:39.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:40.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:41.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:42.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:43.000 It doesn't say that.
00:07:44.000 Harry, the only reason they're here is because they know this video is going to reach thousands
00:07:46.000 of people and thousands of people are going to realize that I'm not here to kill you.
00:07:49.000 And they don't like that.
00:07:50.000 That's the reason.
00:07:51.000 So now, I'm going to go to verse 191, yeah?
00:07:54.000 Yep. 0.99
00:07:55.000 And slay them wherever you find them. 1.00
00:07:57.000 And listen carefully. 1.00
00:07:58.000 Yes. 0.99
00:07:59.000 Disbelievers who are attacking the Muslims. 0.99
00:08:01.000 No, no, no. 0.96
00:08:02.000 It doesn't say that.
00:08:03.000 Ali, it doesn't say that.
00:08:04.000 It doesn't say that.
00:08:05.000 Ali, let's say when they attack you.
00:08:06.000 We'll see.
00:08:07.000 We're going to watch now how the Quran debunks this claim.
00:08:09.000 Ali, come on.
00:08:10.000 And check this out. 1.00
00:08:11.000 And slay them wherever you find them. 0.99
00:08:14.000 And listen, listen, listen, listen. 1.00
00:08:16.000 Listen.
00:08:17.000 Listen.
00:08:18.000 Thank you.
00:08:19.000 Easy for saying it.
00:08:20.000 Let him speak.
00:08:21.000 Thank you.
00:08:22.000 Thanking you, yeah?
00:08:23.000 Okay.
00:08:24.000 Now, did you just hear that? 1.00
00:08:26.000 Disgusting Islamic what? 1.00
00:08:28.000 Hayes meet. 1.00
00:08:29.000 These people, the true colors came out.
00:08:31.000 Anyways, guys, guys.
00:08:33.000 Now, look at this here.
00:08:34.000 Look how they get debunked.
00:08:35.000 Listen. 0.99
00:08:36.000 And slay them. 1.00
00:08:37.000 One second. 1.00
00:08:38.000 And slay them wherever you find them. 1.00
00:08:40.000 Listen very carefully. 0.99
00:08:42.000 And drive them out of the places once they drove you out.
00:08:46.000 Stop a second now.
00:08:47.000 What does this mean?
00:08:48.000 Drive them out.
00:08:49.000 Kick them out from where they kicked you out. 0.92
00:08:52.000 So if I come and say to you,
00:08:53.000 you know how Jason kicked you out from your house?
00:08:55.000 Kick him back out from the house.
00:08:57.000 Yeah.
00:08:58.000 That doesn't justify.
00:08:59.000 That doesn't justify.
00:09:00.000 Okay, so I can come to your house and kick you out of your house? 0.93
00:09:01.000 I don't agree with that.
00:09:02.000 I don't agree with that.
00:09:03.000 Because just because someone kicked you out of your house,
00:09:04.000 doesn't mean you can go and kick them.
00:09:06.000 I wish they only kicked me out of the house.
00:09:08.000 Do you know what the Prophet and the companions went through?
00:09:10.000 The companions were being tortured.
00:09:12.000 One of the female companions had the spear gone on a private part. 0.96
00:09:16.000 There's a lot of things.
00:09:17.000 So, so, so.
00:09:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:19.000 Muslim, Bukhari.
00:09:20.000 It's also.
00:09:21.000 So, now. 1.00
00:09:22.000 And slay them. 0.99
00:09:23.000 So what it says here? 1.00
00:09:24.000 Drive them out from where they drove you out.
00:09:26.000 For persecution is worse than slaughter.
00:09:28.000 Yeah?
00:09:29.000 It's better if you live.
00:09:30.000 Thank you.
00:09:31.000 Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen.
00:09:32.000 Awudhu Billahi Minash Shaitan Al-Ajim.
00:09:34.000 Alhamdulillah.
00:09:35.000 And fight them not with inviolable places of worship until they first attack you there.
00:09:40.000 So now.
00:09:41.000 You can clearly see.
00:09:42.000 Yes.
00:09:43.000 He can see.
00:09:44.000 Yes.
00:09:45.000 Let him talk.
00:09:46.000 So you can clearly see.
00:09:48.000 You can clearly see that over here God is saying.
00:09:51.000 They've kicked you out from your houses.
00:09:53.000 Get your houses back and kick them out.
00:09:54.000 That is justice.
00:09:55.000 That is fair.
00:09:56.000 It is justice.
00:09:57.000 That is justice.
00:09:58.000 I'm sorry.
00:09:59.000 Nobody.
00:10:00.000 You're saying no.
00:10:01.000 Nobody.
00:10:02.000 Violence doesn't advocate violence.
00:10:03.000 No.
00:10:04.000 No.
00:10:05.000 It's not violence.
00:10:06.000 It's defending yourself.
00:10:07.000 Defending yourself.
00:10:08.000 Because I will say to you.
00:10:09.000 Are you violent for defending yourself?
00:10:10.000 No.
00:10:11.000 There's defending yourself.
00:10:12.000 That's what I'm talking about.
00:10:13.000 There's going out to then hurt the person.
00:10:15.000 Exactly.
00:10:16.000 Exactly.
00:10:17.000 That's what I'm saying to you.
00:10:18.000 Here it says.
00:10:19.000 Because they're coming to attack.
00:10:20.000 So Allah's God Almighty is saying.
00:10:21.000 Kick them out from where they've kicked you out.
00:10:23.000 And fight. 0.66
00:10:24.000 And fight.
00:10:25.000 Brother one second.
00:10:26.000 One second brother.
00:10:27.000 Yeah.
00:10:28.000 But I wouldn't.
00:10:29.000 I wouldn't. 0.98
00:10:30.000 Kick them out there. 0.66
00:10:31.000 But why if you have to fight them?
00:10:32.000 But why if you have to fight them to get your house back?
00:10:34.000 So now.
00:10:35.000 And fight not with them.
00:10:36.000 In the invaluable places of worship until they attack you there first.
00:10:40.000 So now it's a condition.
00:10:41.000 Do not fight them there until they attack you first.
00:10:44.000 But if they attack you there. 1.00
00:10:46.000 Then slay them. 1.00
00:10:47.000 Such is a reward for disbelievers. 1.00
00:10:49.000 Now.
00:10:50.000 When Allah says disbelievers. 0.99
00:10:51.000 It's not talking about you.
00:10:52.000 No.
00:10:53.000 It is.
00:10:54.000 No it's not.
00:10:55.000 Are you.
00:10:56.000 One second.
00:10:57.000 Did you come here and say Ali. 1.00
00:10:58.000 I'm going to chop your head off. 1.00
00:10:59.000 No but. 1.00
00:11:00.000 So then.
00:11:01.000 But.
00:11:02.000 In the Quran.
00:11:03.000 There's so many.
00:11:04.000 So many verses that go against each other.
00:11:06.000 If you understand.
00:11:07.000 No.
00:11:08.000 No.
00:11:09.000 It doesn't.
00:11:10.000 It's consistent.
00:11:11.000 I listen to a lot of Islamic scholars.
00:11:13.000 That's the problem.
00:11:14.000 He's not a Muslim. 1.00
00:11:15.000 He's not a Muslim. 1.00
00:11:16.000 No.
00:11:17.000 So I don't know why.
00:11:18.000 See this is why.
00:11:19.000 No no.
00:11:20.000 Let me tell you something.
00:11:21.000 You can't discredit his arguments.
00:11:22.000 We're just saying he's not a Muslim.
00:11:23.000 I'm discrediting the argument as we speak.
00:11:24.000 Yeah.
00:11:25.000 As we speak.
00:11:26.000 I'm discrediting it.
00:11:27.000 Here.
00:11:28.000 When you go to war.
00:11:29.000 You have to be deluded.
00:11:30.000 Or pacifist.
00:11:31.000 To think.
00:11:32.000 That when you go to war.
00:11:33.000 That it's going to be all ronky dory.
00:11:34.000 It's not.
00:11:35.000 So here.
00:11:36.000 In the second verse.
00:11:37.000 It makes it clear.
00:11:38.000 The aggressors that are attacking.
00:11:39.000 Who are non-Muslims. 0.98
00:11:41.000 Because of their freedom of speech.
00:11:43.000 Of believing their religion.
00:11:44.000 But if they desist.
00:11:46.000 Then Allah is forgiven and merciful.
00:11:47.000 Look at this.
00:11:48.000 Look at this.
00:11:49.000 Look at this.
00:11:50.000 No no no no.
00:11:51.000 If they are merciful to the believers.
00:11:52.000 Muslims.
00:11:53.000 So here.
00:11:54.000 The prophet Muhammad for 10 years. 0.96
00:11:55.000 Goes under persecution.
00:11:56.000 These people are coming to attack.
00:11:58.000 On top of that.
00:11:59.000 Allah is saying.
00:12:00.000 If they.
00:12:01.000 Desist.
00:12:02.000 If they stop fighting you.
00:12:03.000 Allah loves.
00:12:04.000 Is most forgiven.
00:12:05.000 Most merciful.
00:12:06.000 Can you imagine.
00:12:07.000 If I persecuted you and your family.
00:12:08.000 For 10 years.
00:12:09.000 And I stopped fighting you.
00:12:10.000 Would you stop.
00:12:11.000 Come after me.
00:12:12.000 Or would you let me go.
00:12:13.000 Well if.
00:12:14.000 If.
00:12:15.000 Imagine. 1.00
00:12:16.000 I've killed your. 1.00
00:12:17.000 Your family. 1.00
00:12:18.000 Your sister.
00:12:19.000 Your brother.
00:12:20.000 Your mum.
00:12:21.000 And for 10 years.
00:12:22.000 I say.
00:12:23.000 You know what.
00:12:24.000 I'm going to stop fighting you.
00:12:25.000 Would you.
00:12:26.000 Be calm.
00:12:27.000 Or would you want revenge.
00:12:28.000 If you're saying.
00:12:29.000 If you're saying.
00:12:30.000 The Quran.
00:12:31.000 So. 1.00
00:12:32.000 If I killed your family. 1.00
00:12:33.000 For 10 years. 1.00
00:12:34.000 I'm persecuting your family. 0.98
00:12:35.000 I'm torturing them. 1.00
00:12:36.000 I've killed your family members. 1.00
00:12:37.000 And then one day. 1.00
00:12:38.000 I say.
00:12:39.000 You know what.
00:12:40.000 That's enough.
00:12:41.000 Leave me alone.
00:12:42.000 After the stuff that I've put you through.
00:12:43.000 Well if.
00:12:44.000 If you're.
00:12:45.000 If you're saying that.
00:12:46.000 In the terms of the Quran.
00:12:47.000 And.
00:12:48.000 And Allah is all merciful.
00:12:49.000 Yeah.
00:12:50.000 Then surely no.
00:12:51.000 Thank you.
00:12:52.000 So therefore.
00:12:53.000 What does Allah say.
00:12:54.000 But if they.
00:12:55.000 Exactly.
00:12:56.000 That's what you said.
00:12:57.000 Allah says.
00:12:58.000 Is merciful.
00:12:59.000 Leave them. 0.92
00:13:00.000 Now we'll go to.
00:13:01.000 Does that.
00:13:02.000 Does that mean.
00:13:03.000 It's not.
00:13:04.000 It's saying that.
00:13:05.000 In terms of.
00:13:06.000 If they submit to Allah. 0.97
00:13:07.000 And if they convert to Islam. 0.57
00:13:08.000 No.
00:13:09.000 No.
00:13:10.000 No.
00:13:11.000 Look.
00:13:12.000 It says.
00:13:13.000 But if they desist.
00:13:14.000 He's talking about.
00:13:15.000 Getting disbelief out of Allah. 0.66
00:13:16.000 No.
00:13:17.000 No.
00:13:18.000 No.
00:13:19.000 No.
00:13:20.000 No.
00:13:21.000 No.
00:13:22.000 No.
00:13:23.000 No.
00:13:24.000 No.
00:13:25.000 No.
00:13:26.000 No.
00:13:27.000 No.
00:13:28.000 But if.
00:13:29.000 Allah is.
00:13:30.000 Forgiven.
00:13:31.000 Merciful.
00:13:32.000 Allah will forgive.
00:13:33.000 Yeah.
00:13:34.000 Ok.
00:13:35.000 So all I'm asking you.
00:13:37.000 Harry.
00:13:38.000 Is to have an open mind.
00:13:39.000 I swear to God.
00:13:40.000 That's all I'm asking you.
00:13:41.000 Yeah.
00:13:42.000 This is only one aspect of Islam.
00:13:43.000 More before that.
00:13:45.000 I understand that.
00:13:46.000 So.
00:13:47.000 You totally understand.
00:13:48.000 I am saying.
00:13:49.000 There are several verses.
00:13:50.000 in the Quran
00:13:51.000 I'll get you.
00:13:52.000 This is the thing.
00:13:53.000 no.
00:13:54.000 Harry Harry.
00:13:55.000 No.
00:13:56.000 because I'm here to answer your misconception, yeah?
00:13:58.340 I don't want you to think that Ali's here to kill you 0.94
00:14:00.300 because you're a disbeliever. 0.93
00:14:01.120 I have no problem with you, mate.
00:14:02.400 No, no, I know that.
00:14:03.680 Believe me, if I saw anybody touching you in this park,
00:14:06.380 I'll be the first to defend you.
00:14:07.660 I understand.
00:14:08.360 Doesn't that go against the whole principle of the Quran?
00:14:10.000 If you're a disbeliever, I'll say, 1.00
00:14:10.840 I'll kill him. 1.00
00:14:11.840 I will defend you. 1.00
00:14:12.720 I'm telling you, I'm not saying this because of camera.
00:14:14.140 I swear to God,
00:14:15.260 if anybody touch you unjustly, I will defend you.
00:14:18.480 Nobody can touch him, fam.
00:14:19.760 Okay, let's keep it open.
00:14:21.400 Now, and by the way,
00:14:22.900 if you feel comfortable here, sorry,
00:14:24.320 which is like a lot of Muslims around us and stuff like that, yeah?
00:14:27.360 Don't worry, I've got your back. 0.98
00:14:28.160 I'm not silly like that.
00:14:28.840 Yeah, no, no.
00:14:29.860 So, Najee, I don't need to feel comfortable.
00:14:31.240 I don't need to feel like...
00:14:31.880 Okay, and fight until...
00:14:35.240 Fight them until persecution is no more.
00:14:37.640 So, Allah is saying fight them
00:14:38.820 till they stop the persecution, yeah?
00:14:40.780 And you know we could agree that,
00:14:42.580 for example, these grooming gangs,
00:14:44.560 do you not believe that we should
00:14:45.720 stop them with the acts that they're doing?
00:14:48.580 Yeah.
00:14:49.080 So, this is what...
00:14:50.060 There's a persecution that's happening against young girls.
00:14:51.980 Yeah.
00:14:52.120 We should be in the forefront,
00:14:53.620 fighting them among camera
00:14:56.660 in the best way possible, yeah?
00:14:58.360 Not in physical way,
00:14:59.460 to stop them from doing their act, yeah?
00:15:03.160 And the religion is for Allah. 0.52
00:15:04.460 But if they desist,
00:15:05.660 then let there be no hostility
00:15:07.140 except against wrongdoers.
00:15:08.880 So, Allah is saying do not transgress.
00:15:10.460 And lastly, the last verse,
00:15:12.540 the forbidden one for the forbidden one
00:15:14.120 and forbidden things in retaliation.
00:15:15.820 And one who attacketh you,
00:15:18.980 attack him like the man that he's attacked you.
00:15:21.240 This destroys ISIS.
00:15:23.260 You know why?
00:15:23.980 Because what is ISIS doing?
00:15:25.720 We're going to go run over innocent people.
00:15:27.220 Hold on a second, mate.
00:15:28.060 Hold on a second.
00:15:29.000 Allah is saying here,
00:15:30.200 for example,
00:15:30.800 but they justify...
00:15:31.840 You do realise they just...
00:15:32.720 No, hang on.
00:15:33.840 The only thing they do is...
00:15:34.880 They justify their actions
00:15:35.920 with the fact that
00:15:36.800 our foreign policy is in Afghanistan.
00:15:40.040 Exactly.
00:15:41.520 So, with that...
00:15:42.940 Yeah, but with that verse,
00:15:43.860 they can then justify it because...
00:15:45.040 No.
00:15:45.520 See, this is how...
00:15:46.840 Shall I tell you something?
00:15:47.780 There is no way in the Qur'an
00:15:49.760 that would justify the acts they do.
00:15:51.400 Because you know why?
00:15:52.320 The whole definition of this is what?
00:15:54.260 Attack them the way they attack you.
00:15:56.100 Yeah?
00:15:56.420 So, that meaning...
00:15:57.820 In Islam, it's forbidden.
00:15:59.600 You cannot kill innocent men,
00:16:01.640 women, children, babies.
00:16:03.420 Look, let me tell you something.
00:16:04.240 We cannot harm trees, man.
00:16:06.180 Let alone human life,
00:16:07.340 which is more sacred.
00:16:08.380 So, here, Allah is saying, 0.72
00:16:10.160 attack them the way they have attacked you.
00:16:12.000 Yeah?
00:16:12.400 So, this...
00:16:13.360 And you see that they argue that
00:16:15.060 the West are the transgressors. 0.96
00:16:17.760 Okay, good, good, good.
00:16:18.840 So, what is the problem with ISIS?
00:16:21.200 The foreign policy, not Islam. 1.00
00:16:23.220 No, they justify their actions with Islam. 0.93
00:16:25.560 No, no, one second, one second, one second.
00:16:26.700 Because Islam... 0.87
00:16:27.360 Islam commands them to do that. 1.00
00:16:27.740 No, no, no, no, no.
00:16:29.360 Let me tell you something.
00:16:30.500 The way they...
00:16:31.380 Do you know how they justify it?
00:16:32.960 They say, these people,
00:16:34.520 America and Britain,
00:16:35.660 have come to our country 1.00
00:16:37.120 and blew up our brothers and sisters and children. 0.79
00:16:40.500 We're going to do the same back to them.
00:16:42.020 Wrong.
00:16:42.980 You know why it's wrong?
00:16:43.460 How is that wrong, though?
00:16:44.120 Because it says...
00:16:44.740 That's right.
00:16:45.020 In the Quran.
00:16:45.400 No.
00:16:45.960 You attack them the way they attack you.
00:16:48.120 No, no, no.
00:16:49.100 Allah says in the Quran
00:16:50.480 that transgression...
00:16:52.420 What does transgression mean?
00:16:54.140 That transgression is in the tafsir of Ibn Kathir 0.97
00:16:57.020 is that you are not allowed to harm innocent people, period.
00:17:01.620 You cannot.
00:17:02.460 So, there is no way these ISIS guys get it from the Quran.
00:17:05.200 No way.
00:17:06.100 The only thing they do is,
00:17:07.320 Allahu Akbar.
00:17:08.180 That's like me having a bacon sandwich
00:17:09.600 and saying Allahu Akbar.
00:17:10.260 It does not make it permissible.
00:17:11.060 I still stand there and can say that
00:17:15.120 even with the context of that verse,
00:17:19.240 they could justify violence...
00:17:22.060 No.
00:17:22.600 ...by any means.
00:17:24.160 No way.
00:17:24.560 Because of foreign policy.
00:17:25.680 No, no, no.
00:17:26.160 And your argument, as you may clear,
00:17:28.520 your argument is that it's the foreign policy that's the issue.
00:17:31.520 No, no, no.
00:17:32.040 I'm saying if there's one thing they're going to hold on to
00:17:34.120 it's the foreign policy.
00:17:35.540 There is no way they're going to come and say
00:17:37.360 in the Quran,
00:17:38.680 it tells us to do this, this, this.
00:17:40.480 Nonsense.
00:17:41.280 They're emotional people
00:17:42.660 who have seen people getting blown up
00:17:44.680 and they're saying
00:17:45.380 we're going to do the same back to them.
00:17:47.100 Sorry, but whoever's doing that,
00:17:48.700 they're not our teachers.
00:17:49.620 We follow the Quran,
00:17:50.460 not the ones who are killing us.
00:17:52.320 Do you hear what I'm trying to say?
00:17:53.200 So, nowhere in the Quran,
00:17:54.540 I've asked this to Tommy Robinson.
00:17:56.100 He wrote a whole book.
00:17:57.400 How could you not give one verse
00:17:58.620 in the whole bloody book? 0.84
00:17:59.760 Yeah?
00:18:00.200 Not book.
00:18:00.580 At least I admire you
00:18:01.700 that you have brought a misconception.
00:18:03.660 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:18:04.780 Nowhere in the Quran 0.98
00:18:05.680 I challenge anybody
00:18:06.900 to show me a single verse
00:18:08.460 clearly says
00:18:09.600 or unclearly 1.00
00:18:11.040 go and kill the disbelievers 1.00
00:18:12.500 just because they're disbelievers. 1.00
00:18:14.300 Nonsense.
00:18:15.600 No way, Harry.
00:18:16.720 No way it teaches.
00:18:18.140 I want you to know that very certainly
00:18:19.820 that it doesn't
00:18:20.980 and show me if it does.