Ali Dawah - HE DID'NT EXPECT THIS BY MUSLIM - HUMBLING END

00:00:00.120 So just answer my question.

00:00:02.640 The universe cannot, you cannot have an infinite regress of dependent things.

00:00:06.040 So it has to rely on something that's independent.

00:00:08.340 I thought so.

00:00:11.780 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, dear brothers and sisters.

00:00:14.800 As we watch what is unfolding today in Gaza, we have to understand

00:00:18.560 that opposition is counting on us to lose attention, to become fatigued,

00:00:23.240 and to move on with the new cycle.

00:00:25.080 And just as we can't allow them to dictate our attention,

00:00:28.220 we also can't allow them to dictate the pace of our solidarity.

00:00:31.500 And part of that solidarity is going to be there to rebuild Gaza short-term, long-term.

00:00:37.060 I am proud to give my support, my word of support,

00:00:40.460 to trusted brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom

00:00:42.900 that have started a waqf, that have started an endowment

00:00:45.440 to make sure, inshallah ta'ala, that we're there for the long run.

00:00:48.280 It's going to be long-term, and we will not forget our cause in Palestine.

00:00:52.860 We will not forget the cause of al-Aqsa. 1.00

00:00:54.520 And we will not forget our brothers and sisters in Gaza.

00:00:58.600 Jazakum Allah, khaira, wassalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

00:01:01.440 From nothing, nothing comes.

00:01:08.660 You cannot have us, you cannot have matter, time, space, energy from nothing.

00:01:13.860 You can't have these things popping out of nothing.

00:01:15.760 Well, maybe we can.

00:01:17.160 Okay.

00:01:17.780 But then you can also ask, can the creative pop out of nothing?

00:01:20.620 Okay, so just on that point,

00:01:22.520 the onus of proof that something can come from nothing

00:01:25.460 is not on me, it's on you.

00:01:26.440 Because we've never experienced anything like that in our lives.

00:01:30.320 So the onus is on you, not on me, to prove that that's true.

00:01:34.180 Can you prove it?

00:01:35.140 Okay.

00:01:36.580 Can, no, wait.

00:01:38.700 Okay.

00:01:39.700 You, you, you, you, you've way more used to talking to this than I am,

00:01:43.320 so I'm going to have to think for a moment.

00:01:45.440 What's the definition of nothing?

00:01:46.600 I, I can't give you a good, concise definition.

00:01:53.060 No, it's a definition.

00:01:53.740 It's the absence of something.

00:01:55.140 You could say that.

00:01:56.300 I mean...

00:01:56.400 Not me, not me.

00:01:57.780 That's a good definition.

00:01:59.000 I'm, I'm sure there's a better one in the Oxford English station.

00:02:01.340 No, no, not from me.

00:02:02.220 It's a future, okay, anyway.

00:02:03.160 Nothing is the absence of something.

00:02:04.880 Yes, yes.

00:02:06.300 But we, we just fundamentally don't know how the universe was created.

00:02:10.480 And, and maybe it occurred from nothing.

00:02:12.300 Maybe it occurred from a creator.

00:02:13.500 Maybe it came from something else.

00:02:16.440 We just fundamentally don't know.

00:02:18.300 Because there was nobody, there was nobody there to see it.

00:02:21.080 If I was to ask you a question,

00:02:23.720 you're talking about underdetermination right now, right?

00:02:25.800 There's many different possibilities.

00:02:27.720 You previously said evolution is the explanation for why we're here.

00:02:32.620 Yes.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.900 We chose evolution amongst a group of other options.

00:02:40.000 Yes.

00:02:40.280 Why don't we look at the universe and look at the different options and then decide which

00:02:45.180 one's more rational?

00:02:46.520 Rather than saying there's too many options.

00:02:48.560 Would you agree with that?

00:02:50.300 No.

00:02:50.680 I mean, I just, um...

00:02:53.680 Let me, let me give you three categories.

00:02:55.420 Okay, no, let's...

00:02:56.000 I, I, I guess maybe you're right.

00:02:59.080 I don't know.

00:03:00.240 I just don't think that question is very interesting.

00:03:02.920 Okay, so...

00:03:03.240 I think the question of why the universe is here, how it was, how it occurred or was created

00:03:08.000 in the first place is...

00:03:09.340 Okay, these people are all right.

00:03:11.120 I, I just don't find it interesting.

00:03:13.080 There's so many interesting things happening in the world between people.

00:03:16.660 Or whatever.

00:03:18.000 It's like, I don't, I don't really care.

00:03:19.700 Okay.

00:03:20.340 What if I was to ask you something that you said earlier on in the conversation?

00:03:23.800 You said, it wouldn't make a difference to you if God existed or not.

00:03:26.860 You said something like this.

00:03:27.860 Yes.

00:03:28.180 Yeah, okay.

00:03:29.120 What if I was to say I disagree with that?

00:03:31.680 Because if God exists, then we have a purpose, which is objective.

00:03:35.880 If God doesn't exist, this life is meaningless.

00:03:39.180 So it does have an existential impact on our lives.

00:03:42.040 But, but, but, but, that statement may be true, but that just makes the existence of a

00:03:47.720 God more desirable.

00:03:49.000 It doesn't make it more probable.

00:03:50.400 Okay, good, good.

00:03:51.140 Very good.

00:03:51.780 I really like you said that.

00:03:52.900 The reason why I said this is because now the question of God is important.

00:04:00.280 I'm not saying God exists because God is desirable.

00:04:03.060 I'm saying it makes the question of God important.

00:04:05.580 Wait, wait, wait.

00:04:06.120 You said there was a, God made sure there's a purpose.

00:04:09.680 What is that purpose?

00:04:11.080 Okay, the purpose of life, according to Islam, is to have a relationship with God.

00:04:15.300 Yes.

00:04:15.660 And that relationship with God is what's going to give us happiness.

00:04:18.560 I'll ask you a simple question.

00:04:19.740 I ask everyone that comes here.

00:04:20.740 If I gave you a billion dollars and you had one year to spend it, what would you do with

00:04:25.200 those billion dollars?

00:04:25.940 I have to spend it all in one year.

00:04:35.820 I might go skiing.

00:04:38.200 I don't know.

00:04:38.700 Is that it?

00:04:39.400 I, I, I...

00:04:40.340 You look at the type of person that will go and find a cave and get a bunch of mutants.

00:04:46.180 I'm joking.

00:04:46.920 Anyway, like do scientific experiments, buy yachts, get cars, do other stuff.

00:04:50.900 I mean, I, I, like a billion dollars.

00:04:54.360 Like if I was allowed to invest it, then I could like make sure I live like very comfortably

00:04:58.960 the rest of my life.

00:05:00.040 Fine.

00:05:00.640 But, but you, you asked me to spend it in one year and I'm like, it's just the limit to

00:05:05.040 how much I can spend in one year.

00:05:07.460 You can spend it on...

00:05:08.760 Maybe I'll donate most of it.

00:05:10.300 I don't know.

00:05:10.560 Okay.

00:05:10.800 Okay.

00:05:11.640 But say you had not one year, you had a hundred years.

00:05:14.060 You could spend it for the rest of your life.

00:05:15.680 That's it.

00:05:16.120 You do everything that you found desirable in your life.

00:05:20.340 Yes.

00:05:20.960 Would you say that you have now maximum happiness?

00:05:25.580 There's no more happiness beyond these material things.

00:05:29.220 No, no, I, I wouldn't.

00:05:30.940 I think, I think I would probably take a few steps up what you call like the hedonic treadmill

00:05:36.620 and now I would get used to a higher standard of living and, and I would just set higher goals

00:05:41.340 for myself of what to achieve because now I should be able to achieve more because I, I

00:05:45.460 have like, what did you say, a billion pounds and then, and then I probably wouldn't achieve

00:05:50.100 those things and maybe I would be less happy.

00:05:52.000 Are you familiar with Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

00:05:54.600 Okay.

00:05:55.120 What was right at the top?

00:05:56.900 Self-realization, right?

00:06:00.940 That was the original, that was the original sketch.

00:06:05.640 What was right, what was right at the bottom?

00:06:07.400 Right at the bottom.

00:06:07.800 It was like food, shelter, sleep, things like that.

00:06:11.960 As you go up the ladder, your physical needs are being left for something more transcendent.

00:06:18.600 Yes.

00:06:19.100 Okay.

00:06:19.840 The ultimate transcendent being is God and true happiness, the Quran says, is when you

00:06:26.380 have a relationship with that God.

00:06:28.080 And this is, you know, you said it's not desirable or it doesn't impact your life.

00:06:32.940 It's on the minimum, I hope today you've seen from my perspective that God has a meaningful

00:06:37.640 impact in our lives.

00:06:39.020 So that's why the question of God is important.

00:06:40.980 It's not just an abstract discussion, just a nice fancy way of, you know, passing time

00:06:46.420 and doing philosophy.

00:06:47.400 It has a real world impact on people's lives.

00:06:51.140 This is why people turn towards God.

00:06:52.880 And we can prove God exists.

00:06:54.140 I'm sorry?

00:06:54.860 We can prove God exists.

00:06:56.020 How would you prove God exists?

00:06:58.200 Me personally?

00:06:59.320 Yes.

00:06:59.660 I would use the argument from contingency.

00:07:01.000 So I would say there are three types of possibilities or three types of existence.

00:07:05.400 We have impossible existence.

00:07:07.260 We have possible existence and we have necessary existence.

00:07:11.060 Yeah.

00:07:11.500 And I'll define them for you.

00:07:12.540 Yeah.

00:07:12.840 The first one is an impossible existence, like a triangle square.

00:07:15.820 Yeah.

00:07:16.180 We cannot have a triangle square.

00:07:17.260 Would you agree?

00:07:18.540 Yes.

00:07:19.040 By definition.

00:07:19.620 Yeah.

00:07:19.740 Yeah.

00:07:19.840 Good.

00:07:20.240 So we have, we're left with two existence.

00:07:21.700 Number one is possible existence, which is contingent, something that relies on something

00:07:25.540 else for its existence.

00:07:26.400 And number two is a necessary existence that is independent of any need.

00:07:30.100 So would you agree that me and you are dependent?

00:07:33.960 Yes.

00:07:34.420 Okay.

00:07:34.660 So we are contingent on other things for our survival?

00:07:36.780 Yes, of course.

00:07:37.500 Good.

00:07:37.720 So eating, food, shelter, et cetera.

00:07:39.480 All those things, yes.

00:07:40.360 Yeah.

00:07:40.520 Good.

00:07:40.740 So would you agree that planet Earth is dependent on other factors for its survival?

00:07:45.140 Yes.

00:07:45.980 Good.

00:07:46.140 Would you accept that our solar system is dependent on other things?

00:07:50.000 I don't think I know enough about like astrophysics to answer that question.

00:07:54.520 No, it's not a matter of knowing about astrophysics.

00:07:56.460 It's knowing that, for example, in our universe, we are a planet within our galaxy.

00:08:00.880 Yes.

00:08:01.240 So we depend on what?

00:08:03.400 Well, the fact is to survive.

00:08:04.380 I mean, like you have planets that are wandering and don't have a sun, right?

00:08:10.240 So I don't know.

00:08:11.360 Are they dependent?

00:08:12.560 Are they dependent on something else for its survival?

00:08:14.920 I don't know.

00:08:16.120 I don't know the answers to this.

00:08:17.780 No, no, no.

00:08:18.320 I just don't.

00:08:19.100 No, no, no.

00:08:19.420 But would you agree that they are dependent?

00:08:21.700 I don't.

00:08:22.920 Like, I know what you want me to answer, but I just don't know enough about the topic.

00:08:26.700 No, no, I want you to answer.

00:08:27.800 To me, my definition is this for something that is contingent.

00:08:30.240 It depends on something else for its existence.

00:08:32.720 It can be any other way and it's composed of pieces.

00:08:35.120 Would you agree that other planets are composed of pieces?

00:08:38.080 Sure.

00:08:38.640 Okay, then I say that it's dependent.

00:08:40.180 Anything that is composed of pieces is dependent.

00:08:42.180 Okay.

00:08:42.540 Okay, good.

00:08:42.900 So what I would say is, for example, do you accept that, for example, our universe,

00:08:46.980 is it dependent or independent?

00:08:49.480 I would guess the universe is independent.

00:08:51.980 Good.

00:08:52.240 So that's good for me because you know what?

00:08:53.900 Because you accept that we require an independent thing.

00:08:57.120 All you do is you ascribe that to the universe.

00:08:59.280 Now, is the universe composed of pieces?

00:09:01.460 Yes.

00:09:01.980 Good.

00:09:02.300 Can it be any other way?

00:09:03.640 The universe?

00:09:04.480 Yeah.

00:09:04.960 Can you have more galaxies, less galaxies?

00:09:06.980 Sure.

00:09:07.560 Good.

00:09:07.720 So, number three, that shows me that it is dependent.

00:09:11.400 Because it's composed of pieces, it can be any other way.

00:09:13.580 No, no, you're making up all these definitions and saying all these words,

00:09:17.000 but like, it doesn't, like, we just agreed the universe was independent.

00:09:21.100 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:09:21.660 The universe might just be its own thing and there might be no other things.

00:09:24.600 No, no, no.

00:09:24.780 We just don't know that.

00:09:25.780 No, you said it's independent, which, to me, remember we said there are two types of existence.

00:09:30.340 Impossible existence, possible existence, and necessary existence.

00:09:33.060 All you've done is, you've accepted that there are possible existence and there's a necessary existence.

00:09:37.820 You ascribe the necessary existence to the universe.

00:09:40.880 My argument is the following.

00:09:42.240 If I can prove the universe is not independent-dependent, the question I will ask you is, what does it depend on?

00:09:47.640 You said it's dependent on the pieces it's made of, that makes it dependent on itself.

00:09:52.340 No, that's my whole point.

00:09:53.400 If it's composed of pieces, and it can be any other way, it is dependent, it's not independent.

00:09:57.800 Dependent on what?

00:09:59.380 Those pieces, like, for example, you know they say the part comes before the whole.

00:10:03.240 That's like saying I'm dependent on myself, and therefore I'm not dependent.

00:10:07.400 No, I never said that, you're dependent.

00:10:08.720 If you depend on your heart, you're dependent.

00:10:11.940 No, my heart is part of me.

00:10:14.240 Good, you depend on it.

00:10:15.580 Yes.

00:10:15.980 Good, so you're dependent.

00:10:18.180 Like, that's just circular logic.

00:10:20.080 That's a circular logic.

00:10:20.780 You depend on your heart to be for you to exist.

00:10:23.120 It's just circular logic, and it does not in any way prove the existence of a God.

00:10:27.660 Well, I didn't even go to God yet.

00:10:29.840 To me, it seems like you know where it's going.

00:10:32.920 I'm saying to you, very simply, do you depend on water to survive?

00:10:36.660 Yes.

00:10:37.180 You're a dependent being.

00:10:38.160 You're a dependent being.

00:10:39.000 That's fine.

00:10:39.360 So, I'm saying to you, the universe within itself, it is also dependent.

00:10:44.020 It's not independent.

00:10:46.240 We don't know that.

00:10:47.080 Because the universe is not self-sufficient.

00:10:48.580 You do know that.

00:10:49.240 For example, we require that the universe...

00:10:52.080 The universe might very well be self-sufficient.

00:10:55.020 How?

00:10:55.400 Prove it to me.

00:10:55.920 How?

00:10:57.220 As I said before, I'm not an astrophysicist.

00:10:59.160 You don't need to be an astrophysicist.

00:10:59.920 I can tell you that...

00:11:00.680 No!

00:11:01.260 Yes, I actually need to be an astrophysicist to answer these questions.

00:11:04.260 I'm not an astrophysicist.

00:11:05.260 I know, for example...

00:11:06.020 You also can't answer these questions.

00:11:07.220 No, no, no, I can.

00:11:07.560 Very simply.

00:11:07.960 We know the universe is composed of pieces.

00:11:09.720 It can be any other way.

00:11:10.740 You can have more galaxies, less galaxies.

00:11:12.580 Therefore, not only that, we don't have infinite in the real world.

00:11:15.640 Can you prove to me infinite in the real world?

00:11:18.380 There's like an infinite number of real numbers.

00:11:22.560 No, no.

00:11:22.860 That's called potential infinite.

00:11:24.960 You don't have actual infinite.

00:11:25.760 There's an infinite number of real numbers.

00:11:33.440 No, no, no.

00:11:34.480 There's potential infinite numbers going on.

00:11:36.580 But there's no infinite.

00:11:37.680 Infinite has no number.

00:11:40.240 I mean, now we're just having a semantics discussion.

00:11:42.080 Not really, not really.

00:11:42.800 What I'm saying to you is the following, yeah?

00:11:44.500 You cannot have an infinite regress of dependent things.

00:11:46.860 You require an independent, self-sufficient, necessary being that gave rise to all the dependent things.

00:11:52.340 And that was the Big Bang.

00:11:54.380 You can't...

00:11:55.120 You're calling something that began to exist.

00:11:58.960 You're calling something that exploded.

00:12:00.840 That's dependent.

00:12:01.960 The fact that it exploded is dependent.

00:12:03.280 So you require what?

00:12:06.760 If the Big Bang...

00:12:07.560 No, the explosion might be independent.

00:12:10.100 No, how can it be independent?

00:12:11.020 The fact that it exploded and needed all those forces.

00:12:12.940 We don't know...

00:12:13.520 We don't know how it works.

00:12:14.660 We don't know...

00:12:15.420 You don't know how it works.

00:12:16.060 And I'm tired of you being like...

00:12:17.240 No, it's not.

00:12:17.560 These anti-science religious fanatics. 0.99

00:12:20.100 I'm so fucking tired of you. 1.00

00:12:21.580 No, you're just upset because you... 0.99

00:12:22.640 I'm showing you logically and rationally.

00:12:25.140 No, you're talking nonsense and then you say...

00:12:26.240 No, you're upset because you can't rationally bring anything to the table.

00:12:29.940 I understand you're upset because the thing is,

00:12:31.460 when we begin a logical, rational argument,

00:12:33.560 you start having a tantrum.

00:12:35.120 I didn't swear at you.

00:12:35.860 I didn't...

00:12:36.180 If I'm the religious fanatic,

00:12:38.440 you sound like a religious fanatic

00:12:39.360 because you feel like they bring it to the table.

00:12:40.600 I'm having a rational, rational discussion politely.

00:12:43.500 You're having a breakdown.

00:12:45.280 So again... 0.98

00:12:46.240 You're just talking nonsense.

00:12:47.660 That's fine. 0.97

00:12:48.160 You're just talking nonsense.

00:12:49.360 That's fine.

00:12:49.820 It makes no sense.

00:12:50.720 If it doesn't make sense, answer it.

00:12:51.700 Maybe you should go to school and learn some science.

00:12:53.800 Okay, that's fine.

00:12:54.460 If you know science better,

00:12:55.260 you be my teacher.

00:12:56.200 That's fine.

00:12:56.820 So I'm asking a simple question.

00:12:57.800 The Big Bang, how did it explode?

00:12:58.980 I mean, I don't know how many times

00:13:01.660 I have to repeat myself

00:13:02.700 and say I'm not an astrophysicist.

00:13:03.760 Maybe three more times.

00:13:05.460 What's it got to do with that?

00:13:06.720 It's simple logic and rationality.

00:13:08.460 The argument is the following.

00:13:09.720 It's hard, difficult science

00:13:11.620 that we don't know the answers to.

00:13:13.500 No, no, no.

00:13:13.780 One second.

00:13:14.260 Not knowing the answers,

00:13:15.280 that's a cop-out.

00:13:15.840 That's not saying,

00:13:16.480 I don't know the answers.

00:13:17.460 Okay, that's fine.

00:13:18.000 But I'm saying,

00:13:18.720 logically and rationally,

00:13:19.560 you accepted

00:13:20.120 there is a necessary existence

00:13:22.360 and a possible existence.

00:13:23.720 We said...

00:13:24.440 I said to him,

00:13:24.880 is the universe dependent or independent?

00:13:26.020 He said, it's independent.

00:13:27.000 Good.

00:13:27.120 That's good for me.

00:13:27.900 Which means you agree

00:13:28.960 we need an independent thing.

00:13:30.420 You ascribed it to the universe.

00:13:32.100 I proved to you

00:13:32.960 why the universe cannot be independent

00:13:34.280 and is dependent.

00:13:34.960 You did not.

00:13:35.700 Yes, yes, I did.

00:13:36.780 Yes, I did.

00:13:37.420 That's the reason why, look,

00:13:38.280 you depend on your foul language 0.92

00:13:39.840 because you have nothing

00:13:40.720 to bring to the table.

00:13:41.680 So therefore,

00:13:42.600 if the universe is dependent,

00:13:43.600 what does it depend on?

00:13:44.400 You've been repeating yourself

00:13:45.620 for 10 minutes

00:13:46.260 and I got tired

00:13:47.400 because you're just repeating,

00:13:49.080 starting, 0.58

00:13:49.660 you say nonsense.

00:13:50.120 I'm tired.

00:13:50.580 I'm tired.

00:13:51.780 So answer my question.

00:13:54.180 The universe cannot,

00:13:55.480 you cannot have

00:13:55.840 an infinite regress

00:13:56.540 of dependent things.

00:13:57.560 So it has to rely

00:13:58.540 on something that's independent.

00:13:59.780 I thought so.

00:14:00.800 Bye, Magnus.

00:14:01.580 It's been a pleasure.

00:14:02.780 As you can see,

00:14:03.520 you know, you know,

00:14:04.180 look,

00:14:04.860 I admire,

00:14:05.700 I admire

00:14:06.620 Sabur's patience.

00:14:08.640 Okay.

00:14:09.200 I was listening,

00:14:10.480 yeah,

00:14:10.720 and I was like,

00:14:11.860 Salamu alaykum.

00:14:12.860 Yeah,

00:14:13.100 I have to admire,

00:14:14.260 admire Sabur's way of Dawah,

00:14:16.120 but this guy just

00:14:16.820 chatting waffles,

00:14:17.620 man.

00:14:17.760 You know what I did?

00:14:18.140 I just shut my mouth.

00:14:19.260 I thought,

00:14:19.460 look,

00:14:19.700 Sabur did a fantastic job,

00:14:21.380 but you know,

00:14:22.240 the moment you just

00:14:23.580 put them to a corner,

00:14:25.260 ask a rational,

00:14:26.440 logical question,

00:14:27.120 inshallah,

00:14:27.420 he was trying to dodge it,

00:14:28.680 et cetera.

00:14:29.440 No problem.

00:14:29.960 Sabur was making

00:14:30.400 fantastic points

00:14:31.560 and he's like,

00:14:32.360 I hear this,

00:14:32.880 I hear that.

00:14:33.160 Okay, no problem.

00:14:33.840 I'll tell you something

00:14:34.380 funny that you did.

00:14:35.220 That was really funny.

00:14:36.500 When he was cornered with me,

00:14:38.300 he simply said,

00:14:39.460 it doesn't matter to me.

00:14:40.800 So then I went into

00:14:41.440 why God matters.

00:14:42.440 Exactly.

00:14:42.580 With you,

00:14:43.100 you said,

00:14:43.480 no, no, no,

00:14:44.060 I'll prove it to you.

00:14:45.320 And that's why.

00:14:45.920 And you did a good one

00:14:47.660 because it showed

00:14:48.180 that you need

00:14:48.860 in Maslow's hierarchy,

00:14:50.220 you need the top,

00:14:51.160 the top is what?

00:14:52.140 The top self-transcendence.

00:14:53.640 Self-transcendence.

00:14:54.620 So he understood that.

00:14:56.360 The moment,

00:14:56.980 I'm asking,

00:14:57.520 I didn't insult him.

00:14:58.480 I didn't insult him.

00:14:59.160 I just made the rush argument.

00:15:00.480 No, you know why?

00:15:01.480 Because you can sense

00:15:02.380 these kind of guys,

00:15:03.420 it's the ego.

00:15:04.180 They worship him.

00:15:04.640 You know,

00:15:04.800 Allah says in the Quran,

00:15:05.260 have you seen the one

00:15:05.720 that takes his own desires as God?

00:15:07.040 I didn't insult you.

00:15:07.900 I didn't swear at you.

00:15:08.540 I'll tell you why it happened.

00:15:09.500 Yeah.

00:15:10.480 He knew he was filming

00:15:11.680 and I said,

00:15:12.400 are you okay with that?

00:15:13.000 He said, yes.

00:15:13.760 He wanted you to be on camera.

00:15:14.840 Yes.

00:15:15.860 And then he realized

00:15:16.660 it looked bad.

00:15:17.580 Exactly.

00:15:18.060 And I showed him the channel.

00:15:19.200 Magnus played Russian Relate

00:15:21.240 with a Magnum

00:15:22.060 and it didn't end well.

00:15:23.780 And he intellectually lost.

00:15:24.720 He got pissed off.

00:15:25.480 He got, he got,

00:15:26.080 I'm not here to have

00:15:27.000 one over the other.

00:15:27.600 It's not about that.

00:15:28.080 It's about honesty.

00:15:29.520 No, but Ali,

00:15:29.960 I would tell you one thing though.

00:15:31.980 I was trying to be

00:15:32.900 as polite as possible.

00:15:33.740 He was, yes.

00:15:34.620 However,

00:15:35.120 there was a lot of arrogance in it.

Ali Dawah - August 16, 2025

HE DID'NT EXPECT THIS BY MUSLIM - HUMBLING END

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