Ali Dawah - February 29, 2024


HER EX "MUSLIM" HUSBAND OUTR4GE ON ALI DAWAH LIVE


Episode Stats

Length

36 minutes

Words per Minute

192.874

Word Count

6,947

Sentence Count

1

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

57


Summary

Jummah Kutbahaykum on why a woman should leave her husband for a better man. Listen to this episode of the podcast to understand why this is a very important topic and why it is important to have a sincere debate about it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 sister i'm talking to you please leave this man your nikah is battered you are married to a man
00:00:07.020 who's a fascist he's a schizophrenic unstable mentally unstable please email me i'll talk to
00:00:13.660 an email i want to talk to a person you literally proved yourself wrong you believe you're married
00:00:18.440 to an absolute famous sister there are many good muslim men out there alhamdulillah
00:00:22.520 my dear sister listen to me carefully i see you like my own sister this husband of yours
00:00:30.580 is a deluded man he has look you heard him moral argument not debunked the quran is
00:00:37.240 plagiarized debunked anything that he brings sister he's absolutely brainwashed and he wants
00:00:43.280 to debate me he thinks the quran means submitting to allah
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00:01:11.400 ata it's gone off we need to call to you guys okay we're going to go to the next caller
00:01:14.680 uh somebody who believes that they're saying they're on the verge of leaving this town we're
00:01:18.060 going to see if they're genuine or sincere we're going to see inshallah and if they are we are here
00:01:21.060 to equip and help them inshallah let's get the caller of the person who uh claims that they want to
00:01:25.820 they they're on the verge of leaving islam and let's see how we can help them
00:01:28.520 assalamu alaikum guys or assalamu alaikum hey assalamu alaikum brother how are you
00:01:34.140 yeah good sister where are you calling from uh i'm calling from new york uh i spoke to you i think
00:01:40.600 about yeah yeah your husband i think you said about your husband yeah so um sister what's your
00:01:47.780 situation now so uh my husband is here actually um he wanted to also speak to you yeah sure let's
00:01:56.260 talk to him inshallah let's talk to him
00:01:57.600 i know where you're from where's your phone ali you can hear me yeah i can hear you yes
00:02:03.460 hey what's up man i didn't want to disturb because you're having a donation i'm being respectful and
00:02:08.180 stuff like that that's why it's more important it's more important than donations so yeah i was
00:02:13.120 just requesting that we do you know a sincere debate basically talking about islam and you
00:02:19.200 know not right here but in a more professional manner because you know i recalled your conversation
00:02:24.160 with her last like two weeks ago about hadits and stuff like that my argument wasn't me trying to
00:02:30.680 uh basically make her emotionally uh submissive to a morality argument i understood that you
00:02:37.980 saying that i was trying to bring up this morality argument so i could kind of try to make her
00:02:43.220 leave islam or this or that it's more in depth than that right like for example i heard you talking
00:02:48.460 to the sister just now about the aisha situation right now yeah of course you're right you know um
00:02:53.920 islam is not the only place where people have marriages it's a cultural thing but my thing is right
00:03:00.700 you need to reverse the thinking right everyone have this whole cognitive dissonance going on when
00:03:05.300 they're asked about marrying a six-year-old and consummating a marriage and a nine-year-old
00:03:09.360 the situation is simple muhammad is supposed to be a virtuous person he's supposed to represent the
00:03:15.920 highest standard of being a messenger there should be no reason that he should have married a six-year-old
00:03:21.040 in the first place because he could have taken her as a daughter there is no reason you need to
00:03:25.920 scramble and try to find validities and american laws and culture and this and that he is the sole
00:03:32.120 representation of the highest messenger he's supposed to be the last messenger in the line
00:03:37.300 of abrahamic prophets to you know display the true word of god so when you look at a man who is
00:03:44.060 basically submitted by uh the pleasures of the flesh per se right if you do a cross analysis for example
00:03:50.980 did jesus have 12 wives did he kill people with the sword but i don't want to go in depth about it i'm
00:03:58.860 just saying it's a simple example so when people are trying to defend why he got married to her at
00:04:03.500 the end of the day it just shows that he isn't a righteous person he is a flawed person that is
00:04:09.440 submitted to money power control and slaves and women because i know the argument you said that
00:04:18.700 for 25 years he was married to khadija but if you pay attention to the syrah you can see that they
00:04:24.400 try to portray muhammad as this weak illiterate type of person where khadija is this you know all
00:04:29.420 powerful wealthy intelligent woman and then after she leaves his life when she dies he basically
00:04:36.120 transforms into this new person you know when he gets the revelations from jibriel and then he goes
00:04:42.160 about uh on his journey of getting more wives etc etc he could say as a political advantage
00:04:48.980 you know i've i've found this i've understood again it's like i said before now let's dissect
00:04:56.340 this one by one yeah join as well yeah sure yeah if that would can join as well inshallah yeah
00:04:59.920 uh so let's dissect this because your argument is like i said to your wife by the way your wife
00:05:04.740 it's we'll come to that later but she's islamically she's not married to you because you're an apostate
00:05:09.320 yeah so let's go to the argument so your argument is an argument from morality no problem i'm going to
00:05:15.360 now is your wife listening yes i'm here okay sister listen very carefully please yeah and you be the
00:05:21.460 judge i believe you are just yeah i know that i'm saying your husband is not listen to the arguments
00:05:25.900 your husband made yeah okay his arguments are from an argument from morality he's basically saying
00:05:32.880 if your prophet was such a righteous man why would he marry a six-year-old if he was such a righteous man
00:05:38.500 why would he take slaves if he was such a righteous man why would he kill people these are all moral
00:05:43.740 arguments i'm gonna say no problem let's flip it on you are you a christian you asking me good are
00:05:52.680 you a christian yeah you yes you can say i have straight to christianity now perfect no problem
00:05:58.060 you have left islam because he has bad morality the best man to walk the earth the prophet man
00:06:02.280 is a bad moral no problem let's go to jesus now i need you to be consistent why because now we're
00:06:09.000 going to come and take jesus because your argument was what your prophet cannot be a prophet because
00:06:13.540 he married aisha at six and he had slaves and he went to war okay now then you're gonna have to say
00:06:19.320 bye to god because this is a prophet prophets we can say we believe we don't believe in islam
00:06:24.340 they're sinless they make mistakes they can make mistakes yeah we can say that argument's sake yeah
00:06:29.240 you believe prophets can even make sins in your bible let's go with your morality prophets can make
00:06:34.560 sins in your worldview that's fine but for god almighty to make mistakes or morality it's a no-go
00:06:39.480 then what that means is the following my uh uh brother if you're gonna reject prophet muhammad as a
00:06:45.360 prophet because of these things he's done you're gonna now say bye to christianity and god not a prophet
00:06:50.880 god why because do you believe jesus is god
00:06:54.600 um so i'm gonna answer that question really quickly and then um i'm gonna say something else
00:07:04.120 really quickly so yeah basically um you explained to her last week that uh basically uh christians say
00:07:11.660 that the trinity is believing in three gods right so i tried to explain to her i'm just asking if you
00:07:18.080 believe jesus is god i don't want to get into the trends i'm just asking do you believe as a christian
00:07:21.920 jesus is god well yes in two distinct senses where you believe it's good yeah but it's a little
00:07:34.780 more in-depth answer to that so but go ahead say your point okay that's fine perfect so now you believe
00:07:39.720 god almighty is jesus so jesus is god no problem that's your belief system that's fine now i'm going
00:07:45.660 to come and say if jesus is god he's also the god of the old testament correct yes but no at the same
00:07:54.140 time so sometimes he's god of the old testament and sometimes he's not you see i don't want to go
00:08:00.440 too in-depth with that because the way i'm going to respond why do you not want to go one second why do
00:08:03.680 you what one second my brother when it when it comes to the prophet muhammad his character you went
00:08:08.660 quite in depth no problem i respect that you you it's a debate it's a discussion you're you're you're not
00:08:13.180 insulting me so i would like to have a civilized dialogue with you that's fine now i'm saying that
00:08:17.840 you believe jesus is the god of the old testament that means god jesus stipulated certain regulations
00:08:23.620 and rules for certain people in the old scripture to follow which is the jews that hold the old
00:08:28.220 testament that you carry the bible that you have in your hand or in your house today now in the book
00:08:33.180 of numbers jesus orders this is god by the way jesus says to moses to go to amalekite not even america sorry
00:08:40.960 in the book of numbers yeah he tells them to go to a nation and he says slaughter slaughter what
00:08:47.440 um happening in gaza now same thing slaughter men woman everybody and any girl listen carefully not
00:08:56.360 any woman any girl that has not been touched by man a man meaning she's a virgin keep them for
00:09:04.100 yourselves now based on your moral argument you said the prophet muhammad peace be upon him he married
00:09:10.080 by the way married not kept her yes married yeah now the god of the old testament has said the
00:09:17.720 following jesus jesus said to amalekites in first fifth 15 uh first chapter one verse 15 sorry first
00:09:25.200 uh samuel chapter 15 verse 2 to 3 go to amalekites and kill men women children babies donkey in the book
00:09:32.660 of numbers it says go and keep little girls that are virgins for yourself for what to clean the windows
00:09:38.700 to what number two and then there are other descriptions where it says kill an apostate
00:09:43.680 anyone that leaves their religion and worship another god stone him kill him now if your argument
00:09:49.360 is consistent my brother and if your wife is listening you have to be just and say the following
00:09:54.080 i rejected islam because muhammad was not a good role model as a prophet so i said bye okay i'll say you
00:10:00.180 know what we can deal with those arguments but let's go with what you're saying now you have to say bye
00:10:04.920 to god because god is far far superior we don't believe we believe god is perfect so now according
00:10:12.460 to you are you going to say bye to jesus for all the stuff that he said that is immoral
00:10:17.220 okay um no so two two quick points you're not you're not going to do that just so i correct
00:10:23.940 so you're not going to reject uh you're not going to leave jesus no no no because i'll make a quick
00:10:29.000 comment on that and um so before i make a quick comment on that i just want to jump back to
00:10:34.500 something real quick so i'm sorry maybe i broke up a little bit and maybe didn't understand me a
00:10:39.120 little bit i was saying that um i am going to make the i am going to comment what you said but
00:10:43.060 i was trying to explain to the beginning that you was trying to say that i was going after a morality
00:10:49.520 argument now i understand that all scriptures have many type of atrocities and many debatable and
00:10:57.780 controversial things so therefore that is not an argument where if we're going to go say is
00:11:02.600 the numbers by the way hebrew bible not new testament but the hebrew bible has these atrocities
00:11:08.440 versus me comparing it to the atrocities the arabs committed or maybe muhammad committed i know that's
00:11:13.640 not going to be that's a back and forth argument so that's why i was trying to explain to you that
00:11:17.580 my basis is not about leaving islam based on the morality i'm trying to say that there's too many
00:11:24.960 cracks and that's why i wanted to debate you about this to prove that islam was written by a man
00:11:28.640 it had many scribes if you look at the hadiths you look at the syrah it has too many contradictions
00:11:35.160 where you can see that the compilation of the book itself after the death of muhammad you can see
00:11:42.200 that this was the creation of man and that certain type of revelations was basically polished reworked and
00:11:49.660 edited so my point is there is no problem right if people have belief systems you can believe in
00:11:55.760 christians you can be an atheist agnostic you can be in the muslim the issue with islam is that because
00:12:01.060 you believe it is the unchanged unaltered word of god sharia law becomes the divine law of god
00:12:08.400 so therefore you should follow everything word by word but the reality of it is you said we don't
00:12:13.680 you said we don't no but the reality no but you you do but i'm saying the reality of it is
00:12:19.020 this is nonsensical because it is the word of man and i can prove it to you through a debate using
00:12:26.220 history so that's fine i understand if you can prove it to me i will leave islam now if i don't if i don't
00:12:35.140 if you don't and i prove to you that everything you're uttering is actually ascribed to the bible
00:12:40.360 then i'm actually amazed that look let me say something brother either you are not knowledgeable
00:12:45.720 or either you're just a person that's really passionate yeah because you are saying things
00:12:50.320 that islam is free from and but the bible is actually known for its corruption i can give
00:12:54.800 you verses and chapters we'll come to that later let's stick to topic for now my brother what's your
00:12:58.960 name my name is ian brother ian okay ian listen to me carefully you came with a moral argument
00:13:04.680 and i don't know you're telling me no i'm not coming with a moral argument you said
00:13:08.520 how could a prophet that is righteous could do such things as marrying the aisha at six
00:13:14.140 um having slaves going to war etc etc etc i said let's go with argument's sake and use your argument
00:13:20.660 okay you're saying he cannot be a prophet because of a b c d okay now i'm saying god your god jesus
00:13:29.180 also done far done no i don't believe this is wrong because there's context to it but if we're
00:13:35.200 going to go with the argument i'm telling you jesus and by the way the rabbis say that the book of
00:13:40.140 numbers by the way because the jewish rabbis they say that's talking about three-year-old girls by the
00:13:44.700 way three-year-old girls half of six is three so now i'm asking a question well how do you carry on
00:13:51.680 believing jesus is god how do you justify not a prophet how do you justify morally saying no to
00:13:57.440 muhammad peace be upon him but morally saying yes to jesus as god who is more superior god or a prophet
00:14:03.600 we need to solve this problem yeah before we move on who is more superior ian god or prophet
00:14:09.020 it's obviously god okay good now if you rejected the prophet muhammad based on these things that he
00:14:15.880 done should you not now say i don't believe in jesus anymore because of the things he stipulated
00:14:20.460 no because this is the issue right so tell me tell me what i'm assuming you are associating
00:14:27.120 yahweh and the god jesus jesus his name is jesus yeah but you're associating the hebrew god right
00:14:34.940 well is there two god sorry is there two sorry are you telling me the god of the old testament
00:14:40.460 is the separate god of the new testament so this is where i was trying to talk about we can get more
00:14:46.160 in depth about that later so what i'm saying is if you notice right what is the what is the jewish
00:14:50.960 what is the jewish identity the jewish identity is that they are the basically chosen people right
00:14:56.820 so the israelites chosen people right so god is basically uh favored them more than everyone else
00:15:03.140 right but if you'll notice if you'll notice the the israelite god is a vengeful god right it's a
00:15:11.320 vengeful god so when we have this split when it comes to the new testament the time of jesus
00:15:16.140 you will notice that we stray away and we completely change the narrative and it goes
00:15:20.940 from the israelites being the chosen people to like let's go preach the word of god to the gentiles
00:15:26.040 because everyone is made in the image of god and everyone is equal there is no such thing as a
00:15:30.520 chosen race anymore so you have this divergence coming along so then when you have the new testament
00:15:34.720 coming about you also have this uh change and reform and what i was trying to explain to you
00:15:42.120 before is that we'll get more in depth about that i don't want to go too much into that but
00:15:45.760 i'm not rejecting muhammad based off a morality argument i will say that
00:15:52.140 you said it you said it's a moral argument but i mean um i mean if we
00:15:57.440 yeah well i just want to stick on this point i'm sorry i really want to stick on this point
00:16:01.980 you mentioned moral arguments slavery prophets marriage to aisha him killing people in war
00:16:08.320 these are moral arguments okay let me actually what you're saying is i understand what you're
00:16:13.600 saying you're saying the new covenant jesus said i did not come to break the law but to fulfill it
00:16:17.740 yes that's what you're talking about yeah yeah but perfect yeah sorry carry on but you like if we're
00:16:25.380 going to be very specific about it right you have to jews rejected jesus right yes they basically told
00:16:32.220 pontus pilot to kill him right because he claims to be the king of the jews right
00:16:35.940 so what i'm saying is that's why i say this is going to be a layered conversation will be in
00:16:41.160 depth because that's why i don't have it right now but simply the language that jesus uses is
00:16:47.300 specific to the circumstance the environment and the crowd that he's delivering it to because he has
00:16:54.220 to be very specific right because thank you why wasn't why is it difficult to use that thank you so
00:16:58.880 what i'm saying is this i believe that the reason why jesus was not a warrior a leader because at the
00:17:05.300 time he left was a different society that's why the process was a leader he fought people who tried
00:17:10.840 to kill him there's certain things he'd done for a reason like moses yes moses is a prophet he's still
00:17:16.080 a prophet you accept him as a prophet and he did certain carry out some certain actions the point
00:17:20.300 i'm saying is this is your argument the following that jesus came with the new law so are you telling
00:17:26.740 me now because this is where you're now stuck again because are you telling me that you believe
00:17:32.640 that what god jesus what jesus done and ordered in the old testament is wrong or right just simple
00:17:39.240 question do you believe when jesus said keep the kill men women children and keep girls who haven't
00:17:44.520 been touched for yourself do you believe this order from jesus is morally correct or wrong
00:17:49.760 in a morality sense no it's wrong you're not christian anymore you've just basically said jesus was wrong
00:17:59.920 for morally okay bro ian are you hearing yourself if a christian hears this they would be like if i if
00:18:06.460 a muslim said that you know what i'll say you just left the fold of islam you just you just left
00:18:10.160 christianity because you're just saying that listen to what you're saying ian you're now challenging god
00:18:15.660 your god you're saying god at one jesus at one moment of time you was wrong and you corrected
00:18:22.660 it with the new testament how could god be wrong wait wait this is what i tried to explain to you
00:18:28.240 right yeah i know that the technique is always used in the bible as a way of trying to stray away from
00:18:34.880 the quran and its flaws but let me just let me just comment on that real quick i'm trying to explain
00:18:39.120 to you right we'll have that conversation in in in depth so it can make sense i know like i'm
00:18:43.540 generalizing right let's have it now let's have it now i'm here i've got time i'm saying let's have
00:18:48.840 it now your wife is listening i'm saying to you please tell me you just said jesus as a god was
00:18:55.000 wrong at one moment of time and he was immoral you're calling god immoral oh wait hold on you're
00:19:00.820 listening to me so yeah what i'm trying to say is that associating jesus with the old testament
00:19:08.140 right associating jesus with the old testament of saying that jesus commanded this right
00:19:14.660 there's layers to it right i explained to you i don't want to go too much into it but like i said
00:19:20.240 the israelites is the chosen people of god under jewish ideology i know that when we come to the time
00:19:28.420 of the new testament we say there's no such thing no more we preach the word of god to gentiles right
00:19:34.160 everybody is made in the image of god so when we talk about the book the bible it was written by
00:19:40.580 man it has many authors right but what is inspired by the message of god is a very big distinction
00:19:48.920 between but you're not answering but ian ian you're not answering my question i'm i'm actually very
00:19:53.340 surprised ian you're not answering my question i said to you even if i go with the argument
00:19:58.400 there's a reformation jesus the god of testament he's changed his mind and he's like you are still
00:20:04.920 equating immorality to god if you go to any christian in i don't know what church you go to
00:20:10.340 now yeah if you go to them and say i believe jesus the god of the old testament the triune god
00:20:16.800 was immoral at one time they'll say you need to repent you've just called god immoral can let me ask
00:20:22.480 your question can god lie no but good so how are you calling god immoral you're calling god immoral
00:20:31.100 do you understand what i'm saying this is the pickle that christians leave themselves in when
00:20:35.500 they come and criticize the prophet muhammad peace be upon him we say there's context to that what is
00:20:40.140 the context to kill men women and children and keep little girls which are three year old for yourself
00:20:46.760 we were virgins so now you have to which you have done you have had to call jesus an immoral god now
00:20:53.400 when you call him an immoral god you're not a christian anymore ian and i hope your wife is
00:20:57.400 listening to this because this is what i'm saying for you to go like i don't know what kind of a
00:21:02.640 practicing muslim you was before i don't know how practicing you was i don't know for that matter yeah
00:21:06.440 for you to go from islam to christianity this is the pickle you find yourself in because you're not
00:21:12.260 following forward bro you're calling god immoral god is not immoral i'm a muslim i believe even if
00:21:18.980 i'm gonna believe it i would say like the god or the old testament if he's like god he cannot be
00:21:24.080 immoral he has to be moral i'm a muslim saying that so ian it's not making sense man it's not
00:21:29.460 making sense if i if i if i can sort of progress the deadlock as well by understanding because you say
00:21:36.300 you say you don't want to get into it but from what i've understood is you just said that there's a
00:21:41.200 difference between the vengeful god of the israelites and the vengeful god of the israelites
00:21:46.980 was contextual because the israelites were specifically assigned to that god right that's
00:21:53.740 what you're saying in their perspective in their perspective right but the god of but the god of
00:22:01.940 the israelites was he also the god of the uh the gentiles at that time he was he was the creator of
00:22:10.840 the universe was he not in their perspective yes no no i'm saying as in you know like because
00:22:16.900 the the israelites they they met the moabites right right they met the moabites right a different tribe
00:22:23.540 okay they the moabites believed in a different in a false god in fact right didn't they
00:22:28.360 so i'm saying during that time
00:22:31.620 regardless of what the moabites believed the god of the israelite was what the true god was he not
00:22:38.300 say one more time right to the last despite of despite the more the despite of the moabites
00:22:45.640 believing in a false god right at that time
00:22:48.840 the god of the israelite was the creator of the universe was he not
00:22:54.840 in their perspective yes no in the i'm saying from i'm saying from all the perspectives
00:23:02.420 objectively objectively it's it's free from it look it doesn't matter what i think
00:23:07.680 objective reality two plus two is four it doesn't matter who thinks in their perspective i feel like
00:23:12.580 two plus two is seven it's irrelevant how i think or how i feel the objective reality is god
00:23:18.440 is all-knowing he is all-powerful he has no beginning and he has no end he is moral all the
00:23:23.740 time he does not lie i was speaking to a christian today we agreed god cannot lie but what i'm finding
00:23:30.020 the reason you're in this pickle ian is because you know now because you came with a moral argument
00:23:35.140 now that there's immorality in the bible the old testament it is still the same god they worship
00:23:41.160 the gentiles yeah and image so much so i was speaking to a jew i think today or a couple of weeks ago
00:23:47.480 yeah he said that he believes we as the gentiles muslims we have a chance of going into paradise
00:23:52.800 yeah because we didn't associate partners to god yeah so what we're seeing is that god is the same
00:23:57.660 god yeah you're trying to uh divide them in two and be like the hebrew israel no they it is even even
00:24:05.120 even even if that's true and i agree with you that there is a covenant that um changes all the time
00:24:12.380 we don't even have to go all the way to jesus it changes with every prophet yeah from moses and
00:24:16.940 before that the point we are trying to make is that you cannot deny the fact that the god of the
00:24:24.660 israelites is the true god yeah he's the true god yeah regardless of what a confident you have
00:24:32.760 with with him now he is the true god and if he is the true god and he's ordered these things to
00:24:39.140 happen and you know that they happen in a context then why is that context not afforded to the prophet
00:24:44.760 muhammad you see i know that you're saying there's more to it you're saying there's more argument than
00:24:51.840 just the moral one but you brought up the moral one and it's something that we have to discuss and
00:24:58.100 you have to find an answer to this if and you know what i think the problem is my brother the problem
00:25:03.580 is not that because i don't know how long you've been christian so you may not even know too much
00:25:08.200 huh so i may you may not even be a christian for too long the problem is that you think that your
00:25:16.640 yardstick to measure reality is christianity but it isn't really your yardstick to measure um
00:25:23.120 reality is a mixture between human human rights of laws is a post-modernity it's uh subjectivity
00:25:33.620 and it's your prison of our times your prison of that's what you're you're using as a yardstick
00:25:40.820 to uh project against um religion and and people who came way before us including the god of the
00:25:50.060 israelites and this is why you find it so difficult but i'm saying to you the yardstick that you're using
00:25:55.280 you be have to be aware of it we're moving at a very fast pace tomorrow society may agree again and
00:26:03.540 say you know what being gay is wrong yeah that's that's the problem that you're facing that something
00:26:08.880 that is so keeps changing so much so that you are superimposing you know hindsight and your side
00:26:20.560 guys onto like a history that is longer than you and anything that you know you see and that's what
00:26:27.180 you do in here so it's not consistent and that's why you can't agree to say i believe in the god of
00:26:32.840 the israelites and i believe that he was moral you can't do that because you're you're bound by
00:26:36.840 something else and and this is sometimes i said you said something earlier and you said it's quite
00:26:41.700 simple you said it's very simple it's not very simple you're talking about anthropology that it's
00:26:47.400 not within the span of your lifetime or 50 years removed this is thousands years removed it's
00:26:52.920 extremely complex to actually understand these things and this is a problem ali i just wanted to say
00:26:57.340 this a lot of the people who always jump into these subjects will lie i just have to listen to them i
00:27:01.580 know they don't know too much about it that's the problem you jumped into subject thinking they're
00:27:05.840 simple when they're not they're not they're not and look ian look at the end of the day look i'm
00:27:09.520 just saying this proper yeah because at the end of the day look uh to to us like you know we we care
00:27:14.340 about i look i care about you as well you know i don't i don't as long as you want paradise for me
00:27:18.640 i want it for you yeah so to me for someone to go from islam to christianity out of all religions
00:27:23.760 like the most illogical religion like i'll be honest with you so many people come to islam and the main
00:27:29.120 concern from christianity like that was an ex-christian yeah why because the theology of
00:27:33.480 christianity doesn't make sense and he was talking about the quran being made by men bro if you no
00:27:39.920 disrespecting if you knew just 10 of how the quran is preserved as a christian for you to come it's
00:27:47.140 like a little boy going to mike tyson in his prime time and saying i'll knock you out and it's like
00:27:51.340 you have no idea the point is this the quran is the only preserved scripture and i can easily
00:27:57.340 prove that to you now i could disprove you the bible in matter of minutes so what i'm saying is
00:28:02.900 sticking the topic we'll come to that later you have now just said words of blasphemy in your
00:28:09.700 religion you've just called god immoral so to me to do that that shows i don't think you're at a
00:28:17.340 place at the moment look i don't know why you left islam i don't know what's the reason i don't know
00:28:21.300 the reason yeah but if this is the reason look you're not you're you've you've gone from if your
00:28:27.180 argument is that you've gone to somewhere which is far worse not that i'm saying islamism because
00:28:30.800 there's context of those things i can answer all of those prophet killing people prophet's marriage
00:28:34.800 to aisha i've spoken to non-muslims who have listened to it and said that makes sense it makes
00:28:39.920 sense yeah so what i'm saying is the following if i can speak to your uh if it's okay your wife if
00:28:45.080 it's possible sister are you there yes i'm here yeah look like like i said before look i i at the
00:28:50.840 end of the day look i'm just the reason i just wanted to have this discussion by the way i emailed
00:28:54.640 you i just emailed you now yeah this is a reason sister yeah this is why it's so important that's
00:28:59.140 why in islam as a muslim woman you're not allowed to marry you know why because not i'm seeing in
00:29:05.040 in is i don't believe in is a bad person yeah but it's just that influence that could be from
00:29:09.920 wherever it can have an impact on you so ian look at the end of the day he's on his journey he's
00:29:14.660 looking i'm sure he's searching for the right path etc i understand his worries but this can
00:29:19.840 come at the cost of you losing your hair after both of you for that matter any of us for that
00:29:23.320 matter so what i'm saying is ian i would say take time out look into islam objective just say look
00:29:28.400 i'm gonna look into them just without any uh bias any animosity nothing just i did this 11 years
00:29:35.340 ago i came to islam islam would have been the last religion i choose my dad hates it my dad till
00:29:39.840 this day hates islam i chose it because it is the truth and it has evidence i can prove
00:29:44.720 the quran is from god right now um you know when we associate jesus's name with the old testament i'm
00:29:53.080 talking about the new testament right now right yeah jesus taught in parables right he taught in
00:29:57.860 parables he tried to give what he taught in parables for a specific reason right because it
00:30:03.980 was to stray away from the backward thinking of the israelites right it was to stray away from
00:30:10.540 that there's hidden messages there's allegories there's illusions and the thing is what you don't
00:30:16.100 understand is what i'm trying to get at is you need to prove to me when we debate i want to prove to
00:30:21.080 you that islam is a basically a fabrication of okay no point christianity right can i just respond to
00:30:27.800 what you said about jesus though please your history shows that this book had insertion eraser
00:30:34.740 marks tape coverings your preservation is on leaf stones parchment stones palm stocks the most idiotic
00:30:41.440 thing is that zayat is the number one scribe from muhammad he didn't even remember the quran by his
00:30:46.760 heart he had to go search for it he had to go search for it but it's the preserved word of god tell
00:30:52.000 it to me tell it to me prove it to me i thought so now what i'm going to do is the following i'm going to
00:30:56.960 fully destroy just with one argument look look you didn't give me one verse because you can't
00:31:02.660 even if they tried that's why you couldn't you know why i'm happy your wife is listening to this
00:31:08.920 and she can see what kind of a man you are yeah okay she can see what kind of man she was married to
00:31:13.060 now you said that you said the quran coming from the bible yeah
00:31:16.460 yeah if i said what you said that the quran coming from the bible what do you mean by coming from the bible
00:31:25.420 you said the quran copied the bible it is plagiarism fabrications yeah of course perfect
00:31:33.440 perfect watch this now sister are you listening yes i'm here okay the moral argument went in the bin
00:31:39.220 quran preservation argument went in the bin now check this out i want to see how you're going to
00:31:44.360 get out of this ian because the last two it was a failure maybe this okay now if the quran is copied
00:31:49.660 from the bible it would copy like a lot of stuff from it correct like it will copy some passages here
00:31:56.500 and there okay um ian what is the ruler's name at the time of joseph in the bible brother i'm not
00:32:06.160 going to you can do it ian you can do it ian come on you can do it ian what is the ruler what ian
00:32:11.520 don't run away don't run away don't run away don't run away don't run away ian ian ian you said
00:32:16.720 the quran coming from the bible now listen what is the ruler called in the bible when it refers to
00:32:23.400 the joseph's time the bible was written by man you've yet written by man inspired by inspired by
00:32:31.480 inspired by inspired by god thank you so if god is inspiring them and if they are making a mistake
00:32:40.600 is it they're making a mistake of god you're in trouble ian you're in trouble
00:32:45.400 so now ian what does the quran mean ian what does the quran mean ali you're running ian what does
00:32:53.980 the quran mean look i'm just showing your wife what kind of ignorant man you are an insincere man
00:32:57.740 look ian what does the quran mean the quran what does it mean to submit to god
00:33:02.940 okay what's it what's it no i know yeah i know i'm so sorry please forgive me i love you i love
00:33:11.620 you okay you're turning red no no no no you know why let me tell you you know why yeah let me tell
00:33:15.520 you yeah brother he goes i got him what does the quran mean he goes to submit to allah i know he's
00:33:20.080 it's wrong it's wrong listen listen ian you don't even qualify for me to even talk to you here let alone
00:33:24.120 a debate now one second one second no you can't ask me no questions zero questions yeah the only
00:33:28.680 question that i can ask to me is from your wife not you yeah okay because i believe she's more
00:33:31.560 sincere and has more knowledge than you could ever have yeah okay so now so now look the quran is
00:33:36.660 copying the from the bible but for some odd reason it doesn't call it pharaoh it says king and then
00:33:43.340 the historians they say well hold on a second there were no pharaohs at the time of joseph according to
00:33:49.320 your sirah by ibn hisham muhammad according to the sirah sister and i hope this man he's not
00:33:57.060 violence towards you after you no no no please leave this guy you believe in a suicidal person
00:34:05.060 sister i'm talking to you please leave this man your nikah is battered it's not valid you are married
00:34:12.160 to a man who's a fascist he's schizophrenic unstable mentally unstable please email me i'll talk to an
00:34:19.520 email i want to talk to a person you literally proved yourself wrong you believe you're married
00:34:24.200 to an absolute enamor sister there are many good muslim men out there alhamdulillah
00:34:28.300 this guy is batin this guy is an absolute joke he's an absolute clown insincere person yeah so i'm
00:34:34.960 waiting for your email sister hopefully he doesn't try to um get in the way i've sent you an email
00:34:40.440 sister sister i've sent you an email may god help you and i would say leave this man as soon as possible
00:34:47.500 that's what i'm gonna say this guy is he's not sincere he is absolutely brainwashed may allah
00:34:52.780 guide him sister divorce him forget divorce him there is no marriage there is no marriage sister
00:34:57.660 leave this person and please i've sent you an email and i think you just replied back yeah i
00:35:03.620 thank you sister my dear sister listen to me carefully i see you like my own sister this husband of yours
00:35:09.740 is a deluded man he has look you heard him moral argument no debunked uh quran is uh um plagiarized
00:35:18.140 debunked anything that he brings sister he's absolutely brainwashed and he wants to debate me
00:35:23.000 he thinks the quran means submitting to allah can you recite surah fatih sister can you recite surah fatih
00:35:27.820 who me no no him yeah um if you i don't know what to say sister if you stay with this man after this
00:35:40.060 day what i'm gonna say is and let me tell you something your nikah is better sister there is
00:35:44.540 no nikah with this man just so you know and so i'm gonna end on that uh there's nothing else i can
00:35:49.100 why wouldn't you debate me on your live channel so i can embarrass you you're a jahid man you're
00:35:53.180 absolutely you're a jahid man you're a jahid man you're a jahid man you're a jahid man
00:35:57.020 you're a jahid man