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00:00:00.000 getting experience right and being understand being able to understand how the sexual marketplace

00:00:04.720 works there is no evidence that having sex with a lot of women translates into an ability to 0.99

00:00:10.880 understand women idea like hey get with more women so you understand them is because i just don't 0.98

00:00:16.540 want men to deal with the the horrors of the family court now is it the best solution probably

00:00:22.000 not but i think it's a pragmatic one given the world that we're in now this is michael

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00:01:40.500 because i think you don't know your impact is actually quite a significant impact

00:01:49.340 and i think that you you actually made some very interesting contributions

00:01:54.440 you know especially what now they call it the men's rights movement or

00:01:58.640 you know men's activism and i think some of your contributions frankly are good

00:02:02.980 i've heard some of them i watched on youtube i wanted to start with this question what do you

00:02:08.340 guys think is a high value man how do you define it well first go ahead you go no you go ahead man

00:02:14.060 no i don't want to continue real quick i got it okay i don't want to go further in religion but it's

00:02:19.480 fine and i i mean y'all can if you guys want after let's do the topic um so i mean this is a subjective

00:02:26.100 thing right for everyone it's going to be different so i don't really think there's a truly wrong or

00:02:32.400 right answer but what i will say is that it's going to probably err on the side of obviously a higher

00:02:38.000 earner than average um someone who has respect from other individuals has a network of people that are

00:02:44.360 also on his level uh as far as status whether it's a financial social etc um and he's some somebody

00:02:52.240 that other people want to essentially be like i mean to put it bluntly is the guy that other women 1.00

00:02:57.100 want to be with and other men want to be if i'm going to put it very simply how about you fresh what

00:03:01.700 do you say about this so the term high value the word itself i get it um it's been used around yeah

00:03:07.980 we hate using that term we actually never use that term yeah ever i hate it but it means something in

00:03:13.320 the world today so we use it sparingly but i would say i'm intrigued by it i'm not necessarily i'm

00:03:19.140 not throwing what you're saying out the window fresh were you gonna say something no no i was

00:03:24.420 gonna just define high value for me go on go ahead please yeah so it just means a man that has worked

00:03:29.700 on himself um he's successful in his own right has a network of people around that care about him

00:03:34.200 and respect him and at the same time has value to the marketplace for example maybe it could be

00:03:38.760 singing it could be for example his business it could be for example his uh skill set uh to the

00:03:43.280 public whatever that may be makes him high value in eyes of other people uh as a whole that's what i would

00:03:47.860 say would you say that um and this is a question to both of you is this an intrinsic classification or

00:03:52.520 is it extrinsic in the sense that if it's intrinsic then for example like a like a block of gold it has

00:03:58.200 intrinsic value but let's say for example that like you know let's say a tiktoker yeah doing some kind

00:04:05.200 of a video dancing or something like that you couldn't say that that has intrinsic value but

00:04:08.560 its value is dictated by the marketplace so is your classification of a high value man is it more

00:04:15.000 intrinsic or extrinsic in that sense so i would say because i made a song high value man funny song

00:04:23.800 by the way um but the term itself high value was used as a cursor for precursor for wearing watches

00:04:30.680 and chains and having success cars and girls but that was my opinion at the time i had what high value

00:04:35.520 was um but as you evolve you become more placed on different different aspects of life and maybe for

00:04:40.760 you may be just a tiktoker that's on internet with a lot of views so i think it's just up to the person

00:04:44.760 or individual what they decide for that to be

00:04:46.680 i've got i've got a take on this guys i don't know what you guys think of this but

00:04:52.960 hello no go ahead yeah yeah yeah sorry so i was gonna say look i i get what you guys are saying

00:05:01.100 especially when you speak about men and women yeah but here's here's my take on this i think there's

00:05:06.840 there's a kernel of truth in what you guys are saying but i think it's mostly in the economic

00:05:11.660 marketplace so for example here's what i would say when you guys use the term high value you're

00:05:17.520 usually using it in terms of what women would be attracted to i.e vis-a-vis something like hypergamy 1.00

00:05:23.160 and there's out there's ample evidence um there's a queen study like which i think is the most

00:05:29.520 authoritative that hypergamy is true like in the sense that if a woman is given a choice between a man

00:05:35.480 like ceteris paribus everything else remaining the same a man who's a higher earner versus a lower

00:05:40.760 earner she's always going to go for the higher earner in fact and that's that's the truth likewise a lot 1.00

00:05:46.220 of the stuff about what you say about women women who have less experience in a what you call a body

00:05:50.600 count or something like that it's true that that's probably in the market sexual market value value is

00:05:55.880 probably going to be less ceteris paribus everything else remaining the same however here's the thing that i

00:06:03.020 would i would think that is important to make a distinguish you know to distinguish between this

00:06:07.740 is why i asked you the question about like intrinsic versus extrinsic because in this very strict

00:06:11.800 parameter of however how the other or the opposite gender sees that person for marriage or long-term

00:06:19.240 committal relationship or even casual relationship that this whole high value man has weight this this

00:06:26.660 term has weight but if we're talking about intrinsically as like for example remember i gave you the example

00:06:31.420 of the block of gold versus the tiktok video intrinsically a high value man has always classically

00:06:37.980 meant usually in ethics for example all the way up to christian morality and islamic morality and jewish

00:06:43.240 morality most of the world's cultures a high value man or high value woman has always been like a 1.00

00:06:50.060 virtuous man or a virtuous woman so virtue dictates the value of someone in an on an intrinsic level

00:06:56.360 virtue so what is virtue like in in the past even before christ you had a person called aristotle he

00:07:04.120 died 323 bce he wrote a book called nicomachean ethics and he had something called virtue ethics

00:07:10.360 which basically like he mentioned some of the key virtues for human beings the most important one for a

00:07:17.000 man that makes him high value opposite to a woman and this is what i'm putting forward in that paradigm

00:07:23.860 and also in the paradigm of islam and christianity i would argue and judaism is bravery i'll put it

00:07:29.660 this way if you had the most rich man in the world but he was a coward he'd not be a high value man it

00:07:36.160 would be a disqualifier on an intrinsic level yes he might be sought after it might be sought after in

00:07:43.720 terms of like women might still want to be with him but they don't really want to be with him because

00:07:48.380 of what he is or who he is they want to be with him because of what he can offer in other words they

00:07:53.980 want to be with his money really they want to have access to his money so they're using him utility value

00:07:59.420 yeah they're using him for his money because they're trying to access funds that's what they're

00:08:03.600 trying to do that he's basically an atm machine and so what i wanted to distinguish between

00:08:08.980 is a high value man on an intrinsic level who exhibits things like temperance magnanimity

00:08:15.940 forgiveness mercy kindness but most and chief most among which is bravery because a man needs bravery

00:08:23.920 more than a woman to provide and protect yeah i would i would agree with that um but my thing is

00:08:31.160 that's why i was very because you only spoke about it from the female lens like how women deem 1.00

00:08:35.240 uh the like women deeming the guy high value but what i'm saying is that you got you garner the

00:08:40.060 respect of other men and a coward does not garner the respect of other men that's why it's very

00:08:44.380 important like when i look at this term not to just look at it from the lens of what females are 1.00

00:08:48.920 attracted to rather what do other men respect and obviously cowardice is never respected so yeah if

00:08:54.220 someone coward then they automatically are disqualified because other men don't respect them they can have all

00:08:57.980 the money in the world but they're a coward so um i suspect that we're virtue um but i'm saying like

00:09:03.960 you know when you it's pretty much already implied that you're a virtuous man and that you're not a

00:09:09.740 coward when other men respect you because men we tend to value other men based on their meritocracy

00:09:14.920 and that meritocracy is you know encapsulated in a bunch of different traits are you honest are you

00:09:19.800 a man of your word are you um trustworthy um can i trust you to get something done and get it done

00:09:25.860 when you say you're going to get it done are you not are you uh willing to stand up for not just

00:09:30.160 yourself but for other people that you love and uh care about um so cowardice has never been

00:09:35.060 respected so i would say that for the virtue that um argument that you're making which i agree with

00:09:40.840 actually uh falls into the other men respecting you because that's what men respect is meritocracy

00:09:45.800 well i see what you're saying but here's the thing so this is an interesting parameter but it's also

00:09:51.000 an economic one so folks i agree with what you said i think like other men would respect

00:09:55.420 another man with a lot of money right they would never respect a man who's a coward even if he has

00:10:01.020 a lot of money yeah so here's the point i think that a lot of the red pill stuff like that um we get

00:10:07.580 involved in and stuff or the discussions that we have we over emphasize how much money we have to make

00:10:15.080 in order to satisfy or to attract other women and we under emphasize the virtue aspect of it and i'm not

00:10:23.440 saying that the money aspect of it is not important i'm pretty sure that the money aspect of it is it

00:10:27.920 is important especially depending on how generous the man is because if the man is not generous and

00:10:32.440 which is one of the virtues having a lot of money is not a problem it doesn't matter even the woman 1.00

00:10:36.720 if she finds him to be stingy and wealthy that combination will never work out because she knows

00:10:42.160 what he's trying to do so i feel like maybe i don't know uh moving forward with like fresh and fit and

00:10:48.200 stuff if we focus on the virtue aspect of things a little bit more because we're i feel like the

00:10:54.080 society is moving on to a degenerate state bro i'm not going to lie to you and and that is fueled by

00:11:01.160 hedonism and capitalism and also this idea that now mammoth or is the new god which is the god of money

00:11:08.720 the god of money is the new god people are now chasing money and hedonism and uh frivolous pursuits

00:11:16.200 they think that for example rollo tomasi wrote a book called the rational mill right

00:11:21.020 you've had him on your show before i've read the entire book cover to cover

00:11:24.140 and he mentions in his book that you know you need to sleep with 50 women or whatever it mentioned

00:11:29.320 whatever it may be in order to achieve certain level so you can really have the experience

00:11:33.920 yeah to be with women i think i've seen you fresh mentioned something like that before because i

00:11:38.320 watched a video before with you guys and sneaker having a discussion and uh destiny

00:11:42.640 fresh calls it spin not fresh excuse me rollo calls a spinning plates or plate theory

00:11:47.520 i call it getting experience right and being understand being able to understand how the

00:11:53.140 sexual marketplace works um but yeah i mean sorry you're on this point bro here's what i would say

00:11:59.000 yeah um there is no evidence there is no evidence that having sex with a lot of women

00:12:05.520 translates into an ability to understand women in the context of a committed relationship or

00:12:12.460 longevity relationship there is no evidence of that so in for this is where the red pill makes a lot of

00:12:19.640 claims assertions but they're not backed because the idea is i feel like there's just ad hoc

00:12:25.020 justifications and rationalization for hedonism which is effectively just doing whatever you want

00:12:31.460 whatever you desire but really like let's let's let us um assess this claim the claim that if you

00:12:37.220 have sex with a lot of women that that's going to lead to you knowing women more and therefore

00:12:42.260 having a stronger relationship more longevity relationship with some kind of woman but there's 0.98

00:12:46.880 no it doesn't seem to me that there's any evidence to that effect because i was looking at some

00:12:50.580 studies on casual sex yeah and i was looking at there's like five or six of them that have been done

00:12:56.420 and all of those studies they're first of all they're mixed they're contradictory funny enough

00:13:00.500 some of them say that yeah they harm women actually most of them say they harm women casual

00:13:04.740 sex harm women that is a consensus psychological finding it harms men too a lot of these studies

00:13:10.200 but yes some of them say it harms men some some of them say it doesn't harm men yeah there's no

00:13:15.620 study that says it helps them in relationships do you know what i mean oh yeah of course not and they

00:13:19.680 would never run a study like that because it would be considered unethical right and we know that

00:13:23.040 you know when they run these studies they have to be politically correct they got to get funding they have to

00:13:26.440 do it in a certain way to get the blessing but what i will say is um uh with the whole

00:13:32.640 body uh sleeping with women or whatever it may be it's not necessarily to understand women better

00:13:38.260 it's to understand the women that you don't want to necessarily be with and i think that's half the

00:13:41.760 game because what ends up happening right in a remember i mean you're you're in the uk so you know

00:13:46.020 this too i mean the uk is going through this as well we live in a very hyper sexualized world

00:13:49.980 where women are more promiscuous than ever before so my thing is right i look at it like and i was just 0.97

00:13:55.300 having a discussion with andrew he's a devout orthodox christian and he saw my perspective on

00:13:59.000 this too if you're gonna meet try to meet a woman in the west where they are uh promiscuous they don't 0.99

00:14:06.660 necessarily adhere to gender roles when it doesn't benefit them they want a man that makes money but 0.99

00:14:10.700 they don't want to necessarily submit etc i think it's very important for you as a man to identify

00:14:15.280 these women early on and not bring them into your life because the the beauty of religion right 1.00

00:14:20.860 whether it's christianity islam or judaism is that it basically had an institution of shame and

00:14:27.100 it had what i call training wheels to keep women honest with their man you know it pretty much

00:14:32.440 shamed them for not doing things that they were supposed to do but these training wheels are

00:14:35.720 effectively gone we live in a secular world now um and unless you're a very religious man and you're

00:14:39.780 meeting a very religious woman it's going to be very difficult for you to find a woman that's

00:14:43.160 virtuous so my thing is i think if you know is and the other reason why i think this is so important is

00:14:48.360 because um when you get married right luckily you know in the in islam you can't just go to a

00:14:53.780 go to a mosque go to an imam he'll marry you boom done you don't got to worry about the state being

00:14:58.040 involved but most people don't get married that way they get married through the state and with the

00:15:03.020 way the family courts are set up with the way divorce is set up with the way it's basically an

00:15:07.440 entire industry against men i look at it like if you're going to go ahead and you want to have a

00:15:12.400 family one day which is the nuclear family which is the backbone of society um and you want to get

00:15:16.660 married you are taking on a tremendous amount of risk and i don't want you to go in blind however

00:15:21.060 if you're getting married and the state isn't involved and um there's no severe consequences

00:15:25.260 to you financially um then sure go ahead and be less sexually experienced and meet a woman because

00:15:29.840 at least you're not going to be severely punished for it but my thing is the reason why i even gave

00:15:33.840 that idea like hey get with more women so you understand them is because i just don't want men 1.00

00:15:38.880 to deal with the the horrors of the family court now is it the best solution probably not but i think

00:15:44.620 it's a pragmatic one given the uh the world that we're now so what here's the thing i just want to

00:15:50.200 know what the evidence is so of for example having intercourse with multiple women what benefit like

00:15:56.340 let's say 50 to 30 what what benefit are you alleging that it has uh on the man what benefit

00:16:01.840 are you alleging that's that's a fair question every man has different competence right so like one

00:16:05.920 some one guy might be able to hook up with 10 girls and be like okay you know what i get it like i've 1.00

00:16:09.960 i don't you know it is what it is but another guy you know might be incompetent might be an idiot 0.97

00:16:14.660 every everyone's you know level of adaptation is different so i'm not saying oh have a hard 50 and 0.98

00:16:20.920 don't get married it's like no if you find a girl that's worthy that's fine um and i would argue that

00:16:25.540 like our podcast is like we're able to kind of fast line it where you know remember this information

00:16:29.680 hasn't been out for very long so people are kind of learning now through us talking about it on our

00:16:35.020 platform etc so they might not necessarily have to even hit 50 because they're learning from our mistakes

00:16:38.900 you know the chinese but what if they do get 50 what's what's the benefit of that what do they 1.00

00:16:42.840 get from that well hopefully depending on the individual they are able to identify women that 0.99

00:16:49.880 are worthy versus ones that aren't in a sexual capacity well i'm also assuming that this person

00:16:56.380 would be seeing this woman if they're just looking to have sex then obviously it's just gonna it's 0.99

00:16:59.640 gonna be a waste but i'm talking about uh you know you're obviously corning this woman you're 1.00

00:17:03.960 hanging out with this woman etc you're seeing but look my friend had your book uh i was trying to

00:17:08.840 look for it myself it's called oh nice i was trying to find something and actually i was flicking

00:17:15.220 through it right before i spoke to you and i like the like you know the uh the the statistics you have

00:17:21.860 on here one of them that you had on here was uh for example that a man will spend 30 hours or

00:17:27.900 something like this doing 30 hours doing um speed dating online in order to just get one date 1.46 date in

00:17:34.780 in a in the year or something like that now what i'm saying is that to get 50 women look you know 0.50

00:17:41.260 it's a numbers game and i know it's a numbers game yeah the feasibility the amount of man hours that 0.68

00:17:46.060 you're going to need to put in to have intercourse with 50 women that are not prostitutes according to 0.80

00:17:50.980 your statistics that you mentioned right the amount of man hours we're talking about like if he's going

00:17:56.020 to use tinder or some kind of an app and according to these stats he's going to need to do a lot of

00:18:00.280 that right and the and the question of benefit here is an important one obviously from a religious

00:18:04.980 standpoint muslims christians and jews all agree that sex shouldn't even be done outside of marriage

00:18:10.620 now it is still possible to marry 50 women i mean i'm not saying you cannot marry and divorce 50 women

00:18:16.080 it's a possibility but i'm not necessarily saying um that one should do that of course we wouldn't agree

00:18:22.380 that one should do that the point i'm trying to get at is that there isn't actually any good evidence

00:18:27.900 that having intercourse with that many women would make would give you a kind of benefit in the 0.99

00:18:33.000 relationship in fact you could you could argue for the opposite because if you if you get sex very

00:18:37.680 easily going back to the idea of uh virtue then you can be less restrained in your sexual appetites

00:18:45.000 and this is something that in virtue ethics is referred to as temperance so if you're less

00:18:49.740 restrained you don't have as much um you don't have as much restraint for example you don't have

00:18:55.040 self-control and if you don't have willpower and self-control in one area you're less likely to have

00:19:01.480 it in other areas and i've read that in a book called willpower funny enough by roy baumaster

00:19:05.800 very fantastic book i recommend it but he mentioned the point that if you have willpower in one area for

00:19:11.860 example he mentioned fasting religious fasting as an example uh roy baumaster uh if you have willpower

00:19:18.200 and discipline in one area it's transferable to other areas the idea of getting 50 women having 1.00

00:19:24.380 sex with them which is difficult anyway according to these stats because just because you're dating

00:19:28.400 a woman it doesn't mean you're going to have sex with her as you know like for the average person 1.00

00:19:31.920 you guys not might not be the average person because you know from a status perspective you guys have 0.78

00:19:36.860 got you know big channel good money coming in the guys wearing a nice rolex red face i like it

00:19:41.960 fresh uh and you're wearing a nice watch as well you know you guys are well put together thank you

00:19:47.500 bro thank you bro so not everyone is uh fresh and not everyone's myron gains yeah and so it's not

00:19:53.180 going to be easy to get sex like that so for them to put 30 hours to 50 hours to get one a date and

00:19:59.480 then after that to get like 100 of those days maybe 30 i don't know how many what the numbers would be

00:20:04.080 a conversion rate five dates to one woman having sex maybe i don't know is that my way you know more

00:20:09.020 about this than i do keep in mind right because people tend to um criticize my uh you know my idea that

00:20:15.880 you should have sex with 50 women but there's a bunch of other things i tell guys to have in 0.78

00:20:18.920 place as well they should make a certain amount of money 35 years old be in shape um they need to 0.99

00:20:24.460 have a bunch of things in line so that they can be in a position and the reason why i say this

00:20:28.420 like so here's it here this is what it is yeah make 100 six figures a year or more have six months

00:20:34.040 or a year of savings be in shape um 50 women and then be 35 years old the reason why i say have 1.00

00:20:39.880 these five things in place is because most women right will look at you as a higher status more 1.00

00:20:46.100 attractive male which in it will inevitably put her and her feminine put you in your masculine so 1.00

00:20:51.880 the relationship ends up uh actually working because we all know what happens when you deal

00:20:55.940 with a rambunctious woman now i mean that if a person reaches 10 bodies 20 bodies 30 40 um and he 1.00

00:21:02.220 has other things in place oh no sorry baby i can't commit to you because i i need to hit 50 no and like

00:21:06.920 i said before with our podcast we might be able to cover where they don't need to necessarily hit

00:21:09.860 that number but i'm speaking from a general perspective for most people and then also with

00:21:13.900 the as far as the book goes with the uh the dating stuff um this is why i'm such a big proponent of

00:21:18.360 not relying on online dating i tell people meet people me girls through your friends me girls when

00:21:22.860 you're out uh meet them out in real life use instagram we have multiple different um ways that you need

00:21:28.340 to go ahead and source women now with that said of course if you're religious then this might not

00:21:32.220 necessarily apply to you because you're um you're going against your religious beliefs

00:21:36.320 but my thing is this if you're a religious guy right and you can't do this that's totally fine

00:21:40.700 the only thing i ask is i want them to make sure that they don't get married with the state 0.95

00:21:45.960 you don't need to hit this body count number if you're getting married and it's just religious 0.93

00:21:49.840 strictly no i see i see look a lot of what you said there a lot of what you said there is very

00:21:54.140 reasonable i don't think it's wrong for a man to aspire uh to make a certain money like a certain

00:21:59.440 amount of money i don't think it's wrong for them to put themselves in the pit i think it's

00:22:03.680 actually quite praiseworthy frankly you know there's nothing wrong with that my only issue is

00:22:08.140 that the reason why i mentioned the 50 body count thing is because i this is my analysis bro and you

00:22:13.320 could tell me what you think we're living in a time historians refer to as pax americana yeah it's a

00:22:19.620 time where america is a superpower and as a result western countries have not had to have wars where they

00:22:26.680 themselves are in danger in the ways that they had in the past okay it's more like incursions or

00:22:31.580 invasions or whatever it may be as a result we in the west are living in a state of relative ease

00:22:37.140 and comfort arthur schopenhauer a famous philosopher he said that uh human beings or humankind mankind

00:22:45.140 vacillates between uh extreme boredom and extreme fear okay i think now we're living in an age of extreme

00:22:54.320 boredom because we're not fearing that someone's going to kill us yeah in a war context as a result

00:23:00.360 we are missing what most cultures in the past referred to as rites of passage for men this is

00:23:06.280 where the masculinity crisis comes in because before a man could prove that he is a man by stepping on the

00:23:12.100 battlefield now that that kind of um opportunity is no longer afforded to us on the same kind of level

00:23:19.220 and as a result we have invented rites of passage for men so that they can feel like they have gone

00:23:25.860 through a certain process and now they're men and what i see with the red pill movement is that they've

00:23:31.020 invented arbitrary and ad hoc rites of passage which actually feed more into hedonistic liberal thinking

00:23:38.420 than anything else which there's scanty to no evidence that will improve them as an individual

00:23:44.340 virtuously or otherwise the lack of which we've just mentioned the 50 body count thing which i know

00:23:49.280 comes from the rational male because i've that was the first place i read i don't know if you got it

00:23:52.840 from there as well so the point is is he just calls it play theory uh yeah i mean what i'm saying to you

00:23:58.880 is in the time it would take you to find non-prostitutes that are 50 in number that you can have sex with in 1.00

00:24:06.160 the west you can spend making money for yourself you can spend working on yourself you can you can spend 0.81

00:24:12.700 improving your bravery you improving your your proficiency your strength because the thing is

00:24:17.960 i feel like there's an underlying assumption with the red pill movement yeah and the assumption almost

00:24:22.980 is that we should live our lives to make ourselves most marketable for women and i feel like that in

00:24:28.580 i in irony that's not true that's not what we at all that's no so i always you gotta and i talk about

00:24:36.080 that in the book too is i want the guy to be the best version of himself and then the women are a 0.99

00:24:41.160 byproduct of it and like i'm very explicit about that in the book that like hey i don't want guys

00:24:44.800 running around chasing women spending a bunch of time and money and resources on women that don't

00:24:48.680 necessarily want them because what i'll end up being is what you mentioned before he'll be looked

00:24:52.200 at as utility so i want the guy to develop these characteristics um of obviously sticking to his

00:24:58.220 word having these masculine traits being a leader being being assertive going out there and conquering

00:25:02.500 the world and becoming successful becoming a catch then the women are a byproduct because whenever guys go 1.00

00:25:07.780 ahead and chase women a lot of problems arise so i tell guys focus on yourself first and then the

00:25:13.640 pursuit of women could come after that's why i said beautiful five years okay it's good that you cleared

00:25:17.420 that up yeah yeah it's fantastic so now my question is if they're focusing on themselves why are they

00:25:23.920 doing it are they doing it is is there a purpose in life which is an objective purpose in life that

00:25:29.700 they are uh are striving towards are they just doing it for another reason so what's the reason that

00:25:35.340 they're doing all these things that's a fantastic question so right if you if i give you a gun right

00:25:41.440 you can either choose to use it as a tool to hunt to eat or you can use it to commit crimes right but

00:25:47.480 i'm giving you the tool and then it's up to you how you want to use it that's exactly what this

00:25:52.060 knowledge is some guys are going to use it to find their wife be able to you know filter out the 1.00

00:25:57.200 women's that the women that are worthy versus the women that aren't worthy and they're able to use 1.00

00:26:00.040 the skill set to their advantage building a nuclear family other guys are going to use it for

00:26:03.860 more hedonistic things that you disagree with which i see your perspective on that yeah but my

00:26:08.520 thing is i want to at least equip them with the tools so that they can decide what they want to

00:26:12.920 do with their life because my fear is i don't want them to get in a situation where the woman is 1.00

00:26:16.600 dictating everything because the guy's aloof and not aware of what's going on i think that aspect of

00:26:20.680 it is is probably where you excel the best and most because that aspect of it appeals to something

00:26:26.860 deep within every single man which is the ambitious drive to become better and so long as we're these

00:26:32.880 things are very important that we're clarifying that we're not doing this because of any woman and

00:26:37.240 you know like i'm not sure if you've come across these archetypes you know the alpha male the sigma

00:26:40.640 male and the beta male archetypes you've seen them online and the differences between them you see the

00:26:45.820 sigma male archetype usually has what you're talking about he doesn't really care about what the woman

00:26:50.080 uh is doing or saying or thinking whereas the alpha male it's more he's you know he he is a status

00:26:56.780 figure and as a result the women are coming towards him and and so on so the this here what i'm trying to

00:27:01.760 advocate is more in line with that sigma male archetype rather than the alpha male or beta male

00:27:06.200 archetype but what i wanted to add as well is that the thing with red pill bro is there's there's a few

00:27:12.320 elusive but important things in the manual of red pill which i think you need to be aware of so for

00:27:20.860 example if you look at um robert tomas's book he mentions that this is not an ideology but this is a

00:27:27.260 praxology i don't know if you've come across this terminology yeah yeah and and then he proceeds

00:27:33.900 in the end of his book to writing down what he talks about as um eight laws or i think 12 law iron

00:27:41.100 laws right yes yeah now i know they're suggestive they're not uh prescriptive from one angle they're

00:27:47.880 not they're not obligatory don't have to do them the 50 rule the vasectomy that he talks about all

00:27:52.340 those kind of things which are arbitrary in my opinion and there's scanty evidence for their benefit like i've

00:27:56.300 said before right but the vasectomy the the lack of family don't get married you know these kinds

00:28:01.660 of things that he talks about don't get married and you know the iron laws and how many people you

00:28:06.140 have to have sex with and all that kind of thing but in ethics for marriage he just doesn't advocate

00:28:11.420 with how we do it today with with the state being involved yeah yeah yeah and and i i totally

00:28:17.940 totally sympathize with that viewpoint especially with the woman taking half of your wealth we would 1.00

00:28:22.400 consider that to be a grand injustice anyway yeah and and a lot of the things about how a woman can 1.00

00:28:27.560 withhold the children i totally and that's where i agree with the red pill that's totally where i

00:28:31.460 agree with them i think that's where the strongest arguments lie yeah however i'm going back to the

00:28:36.220 point that there's something quite elusive about this situation because it's and when something

00:28:41.300 becomes ideological when does something become ideological it becomes ideological when it becomes what

00:28:45.960 you call teleological when it becomes prescriptive to some extent and something can become

00:28:50.880 prescriptive to some extent even if someone's making suggestions and giving advice i think i feel

00:28:55.700 like rollo tomasi doesn't understand this point because i saw his discussion with you and sneaker and

00:28:59.520 and destiny and although i don't like the latter person i just mentioned destiny there i don't like

00:29:04.260 him i feel like he's a weasel of a man i don't think he's even a man i actually don't think he's a 0.77

00:29:08.240 a man let alone a high value man he's not even a man him ben shapiro and all these other people

00:29:13.620 that were mentioned in that discussion they're not even men they don't even meet the threshold of men

00:29:16.940 uh but putting that to the side what i'm saying is that the red pill ideology is prescriptive and

00:29:24.860 therefore it meets the threshold of ideological and so the quran asks a question

00:29:30.500 do they have partners with god that have legislated that which he has not permitted when someone tells

00:29:40.820 me to do something or not to do something the question is from what greater authority you're coming

00:29:44.040 with this information and people like rollo tomasi with all due respect to him because he is a clever

00:29:48.320 guy and he's respectable and i've seen his book and some of the stuff i totally agree with him

00:29:51.900 on it but what authority do you have to give me iron laws or any kind of laws do you know i'm trying to

00:29:57.900 say like i showed a picture of him to some of the guys some of the mma fighters i don't mention who they

00:30:02.600 are him with his hat and his ponytail and this kind of thing and they looked at and they said this is a

00:30:07.800 guy who's written a book tell me what you think the first thing they said to is this is not the guy

00:30:12.640 that's going to tell me how to be a man with all due respect no no no i mean you know if you want

00:30:18.960 i can absolutely facilitate you guys having a discussion i think it'd be a great discussion

00:30:22.200 but you know i can't speak to his views i mean me and him agree on a lot of things um i don't have

00:30:28.060 that you know i don't have the nine iron rules like he does uh but i'd be happy to you know facilitate

00:30:32.960 this that discussion if you want to talk about that i mean yeah debate wise i'm open to speak to

00:30:39.140 anybody but the point i'm making to you is going back to the point that we in the west we have these

00:30:43.860 rights of passage that we think we have to go through in order to be men but the truth is the

00:30:48.920 rights of passage that you have to go through in order to be men is increasing and bettering all those

00:30:54.180 virtues which are seen by cross-culturally cross religions christians muslims jews everyone can agree

00:31:00.880 all those things are good things like for example being brave temperance for example having magnanimity

00:31:07.800 for example having forgiveness for example being loving for example not being foolhardy for example

00:31:13.500 not being cowardly for example and so on and so forth do you get what i say so if someone works

00:31:18.460 on those things increases their knowledge and from our perspective as muslims has faith that's when

00:31:23.520 they attain a higher value man status that's what it is so the high value man for us is it is the

00:31:30.840 virtuous man if the virtuous if the person cannot reach if it's a coward it doesn't matter how much

00:31:36.480 money i don't care if bezos or musk if if musk one day is walking in the street elon musk and he's

00:31:42.780 with his kid or he's with his wife yeah and someone slaps his wife or shouts at his wife or spits on his

00:31:49.540 wife and he cannot intervene and defend in a proper manner or at least tries to defend her i don't care

00:31:55.420 how much money he's got how many platform he owns how many companies he's got he he doesn't even meet

00:32:00.580 a threshold of man anymore he's not even a man anymore let alone high value man it doesn't matter

00:32:06.440 how much money you've got that's on an intrinsic level yes he's always going to have women that are 0.78

00:32:10.920 going to want him but they're not going to want him for him they're going to want him for what he

00:32:14.640 has he is a walking atm machine he would be do you get what i'm trying to say so that's where i feel

00:32:21.340 like the emphasis should uh be also so here's the thing so um and and i don't blame you for this a

00:32:28.380 lot of people don't know this stuff but we do daytime shows right similar to this one that we're

00:32:32.160 doing right now we're um obviously you're a special guest so we're not doing it today but on mondays we

00:32:37.040 talk about how to earn money right and obviously earning with becoming successful earning money you

00:32:41.100 have to have certain characteristics of being disciplined exercising temperance being uh dedicated

00:32:45.420 etc and putting off hedonism a lot of times to become successful on wednesdays we talk about how to

00:32:50.200 properly date and vet women and then on fridays we answer questions we tell guys that they need to

00:32:53.940 get in shape etc so unfortunately right and this is kind of one of the things me being very open here

00:32:58.380 about our podcast our daytime shows don't get as much views and clips and virality because i see i see 0.99

00:33:05.460 it putting yeah i'm saying like no one clips when i yell at men and tell them to stop being pussies no 0.93

00:33:10.300 one clips when i tell them to you know honor your guys near you and have a good circle of men and be 0.96

00:33:14.680 good to those men they never clip that stuff because no one no one that's not exciting they want to see

00:33:19.580 us dunk on random bimbos on after hours and that's where yeah that's that's the issue but they never 1.00

00:33:24.920 get to see the other side where we talk about i've been very adamant about loyalty i mean one of the

00:33:29.160 biggest criticisms i get is people say oh you're loyal to a fault you you you support um you know

00:33:34.460 people all the time like uh you know they gave me so much criticism for standing by andrew when he was

00:33:38.480 going through that bullshit with with the thing but to me it's second nature because that's just a 0.97

00:33:42.320 masculine trait where if you're my friend i don't give a fuck what anyone says about you i know that 0.98

00:33:47.160 you're innocent and i'm going to defend you regardless of whether it's popular or not

00:33:50.360 um so but obviously you know these these things that we talk about never get highlighted unfortunately

00:33:56.140 what gets highlighted is us dunking on bimbos and they assume that that's all we talk about 0.99

00:33:59.880 but uh we do really focus on trying to get guys to self-improve and have these virtuous um traits

00:34:05.820 that you're talking about not being empowered sticking to your word not being a backbiter standing

00:34:10.020 by your friends when they need you because that is something i agree with you that is lost in the

00:34:13.580 western general it's something that's lost in gen z especially where for them it's all about making 0.99

00:34:18.220 content and going viral and you know there's no there's no honor almost in in today yeah so i agree

00:34:24.620 with you on that it's just that unfortunately that doesn't get pushed in the algorithm as much they

00:34:28.580 always clip our other stuff our more degenerative content gets clipped which is unfortunate

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