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00:00:00.000 Shut up and let me respond to the argument then go ahead shut up and let me respond

00:00:04.500 I will say whatever I want. You are not in charge

00:00:07.920 Respond to the argument. You are not in charge

00:00:11.700 Why are you crashing out? Shut up. You are not in charge, man. Go ahead. You asked me one question

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00:01:23.620 Yeah, so who do you believe authored the quran? Muhammad and his friends

00:01:27.480 Okay, so do you believe it's one voice or multiple voices?

00:01:30.480 It is unsure. I would say that it might be it was probably very much based on Muhammad, but then

00:01:35.000 His scribes and others may have contributed to it

00:01:37.920 And in some points he might have listened to or he might have been influenced by others. For example

00:01:41.760 Yeah, if you have hadith where Omar says that Allah agreed with him on on several occasions because Omar made suggestions

00:01:48.560 Then they appeared as quran verses so it is probably Muhammad but also influenced and contributed to by his followers and friends

00:01:55.900 Okay, so so again like you know, I'm being clear

00:01:58.200 So is it one voice and he's just borrowing ideas from people around him or is it multiple voices very simply just just which one is it just quickly

00:02:04.660 I'm, not sure how to make it clear

00:02:06.140 It might have been primarily Muhammad's but others may have contributed to it

00:02:11.480 But is it one voice? I don't know what you mean by being very vague is a one voice of the quran and he's just being influenced or is it multiple voices?

00:02:17.620 I don't know

00:02:18.540 It might have been what do you mean?

00:02:19.760 It was probably primarily Muhammad who is making up the narrative

00:02:23.620 But it was probably him also getting ideas and messages one voice

00:02:28.500 It's one voice making from other people

00:02:30.340 But it's also later on others contributing to it because as as we know and as Muslims often actually do not really understand

00:02:37.780 The quran itself never became a complete text in scripture in the time of Muhammad only after Muhammad died

00:02:44.360 And after the battle of yamama a lot of people were killed of the scribes and the memorizers of the quran

00:02:50.820 Muhammad's followers came together to compile the quran and and and there was a discussion of wait a minute

00:02:57.620 Muhammad himself never suggested this but then we should do it anyway

00:03:00.720 So we don't know what happened in that process others may have corrupted or or contributed to it. I don't know

00:03:06.080 Yeah, it's a red herring. So just stylometric studies

00:03:08.420 How is it a red herring?

00:03:09.400 This is literally because stylometric studies alone have proven that there's one author

00:03:13.620 Badim Sadaghi says that the semantic content and the style patterns are consistent. There's only one author

00:03:18.800 So, okay, uh, it can't be one also. So who's that? So who's that one author? Tell me that Muhammad but uh, here's the issue

00:03:24.960 This is why I'm okay. Wait, wait, wait

00:03:26.480 I'm here to test exam you you gave me your answer. You said Muhammad but let me ask you

00:03:31.120 So Prophet Muhammad is the author is Prophet Muhammad literate or he knows how to read and write

00:03:34.780 What is he illiterate? I don't know

00:03:37.320 Uh, the quran says that he is unlike everything you don't know you can give me an answer

00:03:40.720 If islam is true

00:03:42.340 Why did god kill Muhammad for lying about him?

00:03:45.340 By sending a jewish woman with a sacrificial lamb which killed him

00:03:50.440 Yeah, so you guys believe that your god literally died

00:03:53.380 He literally died on a cross humiliated and you're bringing up like oh, why would god allow the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam to die like a martyr

00:03:59.020 Dying as a martyr is something that's honorable and I have a video debunking

00:04:03.960 Um this whole claim that the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam is therefore a false prophet

00:04:07.560 Linking to the hadith about it and the quran verse

00:04:10.960 So yeah, you can check on my channel for that. Well, here's the here's the interesting contrast

00:04:14.680 So muhammad himself actually makes the claim or the quran says that if he if he presented false

00:04:34.200 That's why jesus said god god, why have you forsaken me?

00:04:36.600 Yeah, because it's a prophecy which you would understand if you had read the psalms. It's typology. It's not convincing out

00:04:41.720 You're saying that's a prophecy, but you don't grant psalm 72. That's clear hypocrisy. David is saying in the psalm

00:04:47.240 About his condition in his time period. There's no indication at all that this is talking about a future event using typology again

00:04:52.600 This is nonsense. So if you you accept that as prophecy, but you don't accept that uh, it's psalm 72 fulfills the prophet

00:04:59.720 I hope you guys enjoyed the video guys

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00:05:28.840 Let's go back to the video crystal pieces the vineyard represents israel the people of god

00:05:34.040 No, the tenants that no no no you said yes, but it's not if the detenants represent the israelites

00:05:41.720 The vineyard represents the kingdom of god

00:05:44.120 So I don't even know what he's trying to say there wait. He misunderstood the parable

00:05:46.760 But the entire thing is about israel the entire thing is about the people of god

00:05:50.280 The vineyard is yeah, but he said the vineyard is about the people of god

00:05:54.600 So when jesus talks to the jews, he's not talking about some about some randos six hundred years later or seven hundred years later

00:06:01.160 He's clearly talking to jews

00:06:03.880 Speaking to speaking to jews in a way that jews would understand and that he when when speaking off the parable

00:06:09.880 This is directly this directly corresponds with

00:06:13.400 The jews in charge rejecting his his message and putting the son of god to death and then the focus

00:06:20.760 Shifting from israel to the uh, the gentiles. This is the popular narrative

00:06:26.440 This is because it is exactly how it happened. Yeah, you didn't address the temple destruction as my rebuttal to that

00:06:32.120 The temple destruction happened after after after the preaching to the gentiles ridiculous after the pre

00:06:36.920 After the preaching to the gentiles that completely happened

00:06:39.880 The pair the parables chronology is in that way. You didn't respond. You can say it's irrelevant. You know, it's funny

00:06:44.920 I'm absolutely a propagandist for israel because I love israel and I want people to know that that's uh, the truth about israel

00:06:52.360 But sam shimun definitely not so listen is israel is the same country that quotes uh, biblical scripture like first samuel 15 3 to justify the

00:07:00.360 The genocide of the palestinians. I don't I don't know which christian would would actually support such a nation

00:07:06.040 That's that's not what and actually and actually and actually claim to follow jesus

00:07:10.680 That's believing believing in that scripture itself

00:07:13.960 Is uh is outrageous. That's not what happened unless you want to claim that hamas

00:07:18.280 Are all palestinians because that was specifically for hamas, but uh, if you want to go ahead and claim that all palestinians are hamas

00:07:24.040 Then that's why you it's first samuel 15 3 genocidal completely off topic

00:07:27.480 Can you show dean sahih al-bukhari

00:07:34.120 7 4 9 8 how it quotes paul's first corinthians 2 9 says can you show dean paul was a messenger according to muslim sources?

00:07:44.040 Yeah, first of all, I have to say I have to point out

00:07:47.160 It doesn't really matter who quotes paul and who doesn't quote paul

00:07:50.680 It is very very firmly and clearly established that jesus

00:07:53.880 Entrusted peter and his disciples with his message his disciples directly worked together with paul

00:08:01.320 Paul affirmed everything jesus taught and worked together with the apostles if muslims claim to respect jesus

00:08:07.400 They should also respect paul and his writings if they if they uh, do not respect paul and his writings

00:08:12.920 Then they do not respect jesus end of story

00:08:16.040 So this is apparently from uh first corinthians, right?

00:08:18.920 The prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam said allah said i've prepared for my righteous servant slaves

00:08:23.000 Such excellent things as no eye has ever seen nor ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of now

00:08:28.600 Uh, this christian, uh, that

00:08:31.000 Postulated that is copying from paul

00:08:33.560 Uh doesn't know that this is already

00:08:37.000 A saying from jesus

00:08:39.000 Within the gospel of thomas a saying's gospel that scholars date to the first century

00:08:44.600 Scholars that date this through the first century a saying of jesus where he talks about the

00:08:48.840 God will give you stuff that you've never seen never heard etc

00:08:52.040 So he's just assuming with his christian lens that has the source has to be paul

00:08:57.000 When in fact the just not just the quran, but the hadith is that interplay with sayings of jesus

00:09:01.800 This is from isaiah. It is yeah

00:09:03.800 It is a very well-known no, no, no, no, it's not

00:09:06.760 So this just show me your ignorance of isaiah because isaiah doesn't quote it this way

00:09:10.040 I know but it's a reference to isaiah. Okay, so so does isaiah have some does he say there's something that you've never

00:09:17.720 Heard never seen that you're going to be given does it say that it's not literally it's it's just reference

00:09:21.960 It doesn't say it jesus

00:09:25.080 Expands upon the saying in isaiah and adds these details of no eyes have ever heard no

00:09:31.160 Eyes have ever seen so there's the saying in isaiah just says that

00:09:34.840 That um a diff like a whole different context while jesus expands with him

00:09:42.920 Yeah, so so you see how yeah, so you say you're laughing now. So because

00:09:50.360 You try to say this hadith isn't with trying to disrespect. I mean, it's just the clown show

00:09:55.240 No, they just can't be completely

00:09:57.800 You're like you're like snorting like why are you laughing?

00:10:00.680 So knowing this we can now make the case for prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam in psalm 72

00:10:05.400 We have the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam ruling from east to west. This is fulfilled within psalm 72

00:10:11.560 This individual also will prohibit usury. It says he shall redeem their souls from usury and injustice

00:10:17.320 What we also have is that he'll be gifted golds of arabia. He shall be prayed for continually and there will be continuous praise for him

00:10:23.560 Also, the gentiles will be blessed through him

00:10:25.560 Obviously as jews already admit themselves the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam preaches

00:10:29.720 The same god that they preach and he had them and the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam had the gentiles

00:10:35.240 Know the one true god through his message. Well, do you do you pray to jesus or do you pray for jesus?

00:10:40.040 No, that's all like you can give him his time now

00:10:42.280 Okay, so uh pharisees don't exist by the way pharisees, uh, were the group that existed before the rabbinic jews came into existence

00:10:48.120 But um anyway, uh

00:10:50.200 When it comes to psalm 72, yeah, I don't know why you're why you're why you're smirking

00:10:54.280 This is literally facts psalm 72. Uh, i'm not sure if we're at the cross-examination section

00:10:59.480 But as as as said, uh, the verse is literally about

00:11:02.840 About messianic prophecies and about the lineage of of of david and about the people of israel

00:11:07.000 It has nothing to do with muhammad at all so

00:11:09.240 Okay, so you didn't answer my question. Uh, I didn't ask you that I asked you if

00:11:13.560 You pray to jesus or do you pray for jesus?

00:11:16.280 Um, so yeah, i'm just going to continue on that point because you just chose not to answer

00:11:20.280 So if you believe that jesus is god, then you don't pray for him. You pray to him

00:11:26.680 Okay, so this prophecy says that you will pray for this person. Okay, your rebuttal was extremely weak

00:11:32.840 I'm giving you a great rebuttal that you you you you don't pray

00:11:37.240 For god you pray to god your rebuttal was oh it says it's a king and uh, do look at the rest of the psalms

00:11:42.920 Well, the thing is, uh, it mentions a king sure

00:11:47.320 But you know, even early church interpretations like tertullian. This is uh, the king is the person being prophesied while the son is his

00:11:54.600 A nation this interpretation likes the church gives you

00:11:57.640 Um, and as well as the fact that prophet muhammad was a king of arabia. So essentially so

00:12:04.360 He still fulfills it in that sense. There's no indication that this is uh, about the messiah. That's very funny because um

00:12:09.640 Because as as it seems, uh, this can be interpreted in any way possible

00:12:13.960 Uh as the interpreter likes to uh, so if if in the future

00:12:18.040 Um, a different person comes and then fulfills, uh vaguely apparently some of these things while completely failing others

00:12:25.320 Very simply you're you're saying conquering from east to west is like something that's so easy

00:12:29.960 I can just make a religion we can conquer from east to west as we like it conquer russia conquer the united states

00:12:35.000 We're done like this is not easy

00:12:37.560 Conquering rome and persia at the time as a small group is something that's unspoken of

00:12:43.480 So this is not just something that's easy prohibiting usury as well

00:12:46.840 That's it. There's incentives to have usury within society. That's why you even find christians today

00:12:51.000 A lot of them don't even prohibit usury. They allow it. They do it. So it's not easy

00:12:55.560 Second uh thirdly actually we have the prophet muhammad

00:12:58.600 Peace be upon him being blessed his name being someone that's continuously praised and he is continuously praised every single day

00:13:04.280 Who fulfills that criteria? There's more than just a couple of these vague you're trying to say it's vague when it's not

00:13:09.000 It's very hard to fulfill. This isn't something that's very easy as well as uh

00:13:12.760 Finally, there's a reference as inference as this person being a descendant of ishmael

00:13:17.720 Going back to genesis where it says uh this person will bless the nations

00:13:20.680 The prophet muhammad is a descendant of ishmael

00:13:22.520 So there's so many requirements are needed in psalm 72 the prophet fulfills it

00:13:25.640 You need to appeal to the future for jesus to fulfill it. Uh, I have a very very simple question for for dean here

00:13:30.920 Um, and it's just ridiculous that we keep standing on this, but um, could this could this prophecy also apply to the soviet union?

00:13:38.600 What?

00:13:40.920 Bro, what are you talking about man?

00:13:42.360 Who sings the soviet union's praise is the soviet union a descendant of abraham where he's going to bless the latians and bless the gentiles?

00:13:49.080 Like this

00:13:49.640 Do they fulfill all these requirements?

00:13:51.640 Did they even conquer from east to west? Why why are you getting read for it?

00:13:54.760 Yes, they actually did

00:13:55.880 Have you ever seen a have you ever seen a map of the soviet union at the greatest extent like the soviet union in band?

00:14:00.680 Usury right yeah, the soviet union actually banned usury

00:14:04.680 They they ruled over the greatest uh over the greatest praise for them every day who prays for them every day

00:14:10.040 They had a um, they had they had marches and hymns that are still widely widespread that are still sung across across different are they from the descendant of ishmael

00:14:20.680 But still well, um, well their culture certainly comes from a descent

00:14:26.680 There was literally zero zero chance zero possibility

00:14:31.720 That paul acted completely on his own without the approval and the collaboration of these others

00:14:37.560 The early church was united in what they did and uh, and jesus entrusted them with what he what he left them

00:14:45.640 And paul was thereby by extension a disciple and apostle of christ

00:14:50.920 Yeah, so so where does uh, where does clement or polycarp or ignatius?

00:14:55.160 Uh, talk about jesus being god in the nicene trinitarian sense

00:14:59.480 Are you freaking kidding me?

00:15:01.080 I can quote it quite a two right here. Yeah, go ahead

00:15:03.480 Two thousand years later. The sources are for for ignatius, uh, his letter to the his epistle to the magnesian, uh, it already starts with

00:15:12.280 So, uh, the father son and holy spirit. He says uh, to jesus christ the son

00:15:18.600 Through the father and the holy spirit. This is directly in the the epistles

00:15:23.240 Magnesians 13 1 to 2 says be zealous then to be firmly grounded in his ordinances of the lord and the apostles

00:15:30.440 It continues with the faith. So are you gonna are you gonna like spam quotes? Like how many quotes are you gonna give? I'll ask for one quote

00:15:36.120 So, we just you just asked where do ignatius and clement of rome affirm, uh, the trinitarian beliefs or the the beliefs

00:15:42.920 Okay, so so so so that's for ignatius

00:15:44.680 Yeah, magnatius epistle to the magnesians in the son and the father and in the spirit in the beginning and in the end

00:15:51.080 This is literally found in the epistle to the magnesians, which is also here once again. I've read it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No problem

00:15:56.440 I've read I've read I've read the fathers

00:15:58.280 So so so so that pistol so the pistol to the samaranaans

00:16:02.840 I have around in front of me. So just share my screen real quick

00:16:04.920 So this is so funny

00:16:05.960 You asked me where they affirm these beliefs and I give them to you and then you want to move on

00:16:09.960 Yeah, because uh, i'm i'm telling you that you're wrong because i'm showing my screen right now

00:16:13.560 So as you can see this is the letter to the samaranaans chapter one

00:16:17.720 He says jesus

00:16:19.000 Uh, if we just read the context here

00:16:20.920 Jesus christ both in flesh and spirit and are established in love through the blood of christ being fully persuaded with respect to our lord

00:16:27.320 That he was truly the seed of david according to the flesh

00:16:30.280 Yes, and the son of god according to the will and power of god

00:16:34.760 Yes, so do you believe do you believe that jesus don't interrupt me?

00:16:37.640 Do you believe that jesus is the son of god according to the will according to the will of god or do you believe jesus is the son of god?

00:16:45.480 Necessarily, so these are different ideas. Uh, when he's when when when he is it says to the seed of david

00:16:51.240 It is clearly talking about his human human nature his human his humanly state

00:16:54.520 So when when jesus comes and takes on flesh, he is by the will of god

00:16:59.880 Uh directly no after it in the seed in the flesh the son of god according to the will and power of god

00:17:05.640 This is very right. No, right there. It's the son of god

00:17:08.240 You know, you just deceptively baited and switched because what are you talking about?

00:17:12.320 I'm telling you right

00:17:13.280 The first part says truly the seed of david according to the flesh and his divinity

00:17:17.800 His son of godship traces back to the will and power of god god has free will

00:17:22.060 Therefore if he's doing something by his will he could have chosen otherwise therefore jesus begotten

00:17:26.680 Okay, okay

00:17:27.380 So now you want to so now you want to say now you want to say that uh, that that he always was independently and necessarily the son of god

00:17:35.560 Yet you just asked me

00:17:37.000 If ignatius and clement of rome affirmed that uh, that they also believe that jesus is the son of god

00:17:43.620 And that that that in or that god is father son and holy spirit

00:17:46.820 Do you acknowledge that god is father and son and holy spirit according to ignatius?

00:17:50.100 No, no, I just I just explained to you just went over your head

00:17:53.300 Basic philosophy if something is done by the will of god then he could have chosen otherwise

00:17:58.600 Could jesus not be begotten?

00:18:00.660 Okay, i'm asking you. I'm asking you the question

00:18:02.340 Could jesus be begotten? Could jesus not have been begotten? Yes or no?

00:18:05.520 I'm asking you the question here

00:18:06.700 Uh, did ignatius according to your text?

00:18:09.480 I asked you can't answer a question with the question

00:18:11.040 Did ignatius believe that that jesus is the son of god?

00:18:14.020 I already said no, bro. I already said no to answer my question

00:18:16.660 Did he believe jesus was the son of god?

00:18:18.780 It literally says it right here

00:18:20.020 It literally says according to the will of god that means it's not unnecessary

00:18:23.600 He's talking about he's talking about about jesus jesus in the flesh, which is why it proceeds

00:18:29.180 It doesn't say the flesh. It says son of god

00:18:30.900 Is jesus as the son of god?

00:18:33.480 Uh talking about the flesh? No, it's not

00:18:35.120 He's making distinction between the flesh and between the son of god son son of david being human son of god

00:18:41.720 Meaning he's divine in some sense, but yet he's still begotten by the will of god

00:18:46.920 So god could have not begotten him

00:18:48.500 I actually did answer the question and then you moved the goalpost

00:18:51.340 You asked me one question you leave it at you are not in charge here

00:18:54.640 We are not your dimmies. You are not in charge here

00:18:57.520 You are not in charge here, man

00:19:00.020 You are not in charge here. Shut up and listen when intelligent people are talking

00:19:04.160 You asked me one question. I answered your question and you moved the goalpost

00:19:08.080 Go ahead

00:19:08.500 Okay, okay

00:19:09.580 Here I will give you I will give you a response

00:19:11.660 Number one muslims are not the kings of the world. You are not the dimmies

00:19:15.880 You are not in charge

00:19:17.000 Oh my god

00:19:17.880 Shut the hell up and listen when I'm talking

00:19:19.380 Why are you playing a victim? Can you respond to the argument?

00:19:21.360 Dude, you just said you will let me respond

00:19:22.800 Shut up and let me respond

00:19:24.540 Shut up and let me respond

00:19:24.580 Shut up and let me respond

00:19:27.560 I will say whatever I want

00:19:29.080 You are not in charge

00:19:30.620 You are not in charge

00:19:33.480 Shut the hell up

00:19:34.720 Why are you crashing out? Just answer it

00:19:36.220 Shut up. You are not in charge, man

00:19:37.780 Go ahead

00:19:38.420 You asked me one question. I will respond as I wish

00:19:41.520 Your religion is not in charge here

00:19:43.920 We are not your dimmies

00:19:45.500 Shut up and learn to listen

00:19:47.120 You are people of are of low intelligence

00:19:48.840 Which is why all you know is to explode yourselves and to cry

00:19:52.480 Keep rejecting

00:19:53.220 Shut up

00:19:54.640 Shut up and listen

00:19:55.780 You are not in charge

00:19:57.120 You did not answer

00:19:58.860 That Jesus is the son of God

00:20:00.760 According to the will and power of God

00:20:02.880 You try to link this back to the flesh point

00:20:04.760 I told you no

00:20:05.460 The son of Godship is about the will and power of God

00:20:08.040 You don't believe Jesus is the son of God

00:20:10.200 According to the will and power of God

00:20:11.240 You believe it's necessary

00:20:12.200 God has free will

00:20:13.340 If it's by his will

00:20:14.440 That means he could have willed otherwise

00:20:15.880 That means it's not necessarily

00:20:16.720 Necessary sonship

00:20:18.420 That the father begot the son

00:20:19.920 Very simple

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Ali Dawah - September 02, 2025

HILARIOUS END IN THE DEBATE - WE ARE PROUD OF IT ALHAMDULILLAH!!

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