Ali Dawah - March 04, 2025


＂I USE FEMALE TOILETS＂ - TRANS WOMAN REFUSES TO BELIEVE


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29 minutes

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Misogyny

44

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Toxicity

52

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Hate speech

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In this episode, I speak to a man who transitioned from male to female. He shares his story about how he transitioned from being a male to being a female, and how he dealt with the societal pressures of growing up in a male dominated household.

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00:00:00.000 It was roughly when I was about eight that I basically said, you know, I wish I was a girl.
00:00:05.460 When he was eight years old?
00:00:06.300 When I was eight years old.
00:00:06.960 Do you know if there was any specific factors that made you say that?
00:00:10.420 Was it random? Was it like, I want to be a girl?
00:00:13.260 A lot of it was societal.
00:00:14.800 Do you go to female toilets or male toilets?
00:00:16.940 I just go to the toilet. I tend to go, I go to female toilets when I'm out. 1.00
00:00:21.400 Okay, but for example, a lot of people will have a lot of concerns with that.
00:00:24.680 Because if I'm sending my daughter, let me tell you why.
00:00:26.540 Not that. I'm not saying that your girl already established that there are male and females.
00:00:32.440 There are some people who say there are no male or females.
00:00:34.500 Okay.
00:00:35.120 Then what do we say to them?
00:00:36.040 Somebody who believes and says, I don't believe there are men and women.
00:00:38.020 There are social constructs.
00:00:39.460 Oh, well, that's what they are.
00:00:40.420 Okay, so then how do you now get...
00:00:41.680 These are.
00:00:42.260 How do you believe their reality?
00:00:43.640 Okay, but how do you believe their reality?
00:00:45.000 Because you said we do cats can't say no, it's a male's brain and a female's brain. 0.90
00:00:47.760 But somebody will come and say, you know, hold on.
00:00:48.920 I don't believe there are men and women at all.
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00:01:22.000 Okay.
00:01:22.420 And so they walked away and this guy is just accident, you know, just happens to have an apple in his bag
00:01:26.800 and he's taking it out of his bag and they're about to eat it.
00:01:29.020 Okay.
00:01:29.420 You know, so from my point of view, I believe what I'm saying when I say that.
00:01:35.680 True.
00:01:36.300 Based on what you can observe.
00:01:37.660 Yeah.
00:01:38.280 Okay.
00:01:38.880 Now, that I'm wrong doesn't mean that, you know, it's not the same thing as, you know, being right or, you know.
00:01:45.460 So it's not the, it's more nebulous, isn't it?
00:01:49.480 Okay.
00:01:50.120 All right.
00:01:50.580 So you said six years ago you transitioned.
00:01:53.600 Yes.
00:01:53.880 You are Laura now.
00:01:55.320 I am, yes.
00:01:55.920 Okay.
00:01:56.140 You was.
00:01:57.020 Well, the thing about it, I don't use my old name.
00:01:59.140 Okay.
00:01:59.380 The thing to bear in mind, I was, I was already, always a girl up here.
00:02:05.460 Okay.
00:02:05.900 I just, withheld it.
00:02:06.920 Because I didn't, I didn't.
00:02:08.520 What made you, what made you.
00:02:09.740 I'm 51 years old.
00:02:11.040 Okay.
00:02:11.300 Okay.
00:02:12.280 When I was eight, yeah, I think I was roughly when I was about eight, you know, when you're
00:02:16.960 old, when you're young, you, you know, memory's a bit vague.
00:02:19.480 Yes.
00:02:19.740 Yes.
00:02:19.820 But it was roughly when I was about eight that I basically said, you know, I wish I was a
00:02:24.220 girl.
00:02:24.860 When you was eight years old?
00:02:25.740 When I was eight years old.
00:02:26.380 What, do you know if there was any specific factors that made you say that?
00:02:29.840 Was it random?
00:02:30.560 Was it, was it like, I want to be a girl?
00:02:32.700 A lot of it was societal.
00:02:33.720 Okay.
00:02:34.720 So, um, my parents were in the military, okay?
00:02:37.220 Okay.
00:02:37.720 And when you're in military life, um, everything is kind of organized, you know, I mean, my,
00:02:42.420 like I say, my parents were in the Air Force, okay?
00:02:44.360 Yeah.
00:02:44.860 You can imagine November the 5th where we've got the fireworks, right?
00:02:47.180 Yeah.
00:02:47.680 Well, when you've got guys that work with ammunition and bombs, you can imagine the kind of fun that
00:02:53.080 they can have when they can build, build them, you know, so, uh, it's, you know, it was
00:02:59.140 something to, you know, the kind of fireworks display we see is like nothing compared to
00:03:04.140 military hours, you know?
00:03:05.140 Yeah.
00:03:06.140 Yeah.
00:03:07.140 Anyway, so, um, one year we did a maypole dance.
00:03:08.140 Do you know what maypole dance is?
00:03:09.140 No.
00:03:10.140 What is it?
00:03:11.140 Um, it's like a pool.
00:03:12.140 Yeah.
00:03:13.140 And it's got ribbons.
00:03:14.140 Okay.
00:03:15.140 Okay.
00:03:16.140 And then you sort of dance it, you know, and it wraps it up and everything.
00:03:20.140 It's sort of, you know, old.
00:03:21.140 Okay.
00:03:22.140 It's probably pagan. 0.75
00:03:23.140 Yeah.
00:03:24.140 I was going to ask you to show me the dance, but you probably forgot.
00:03:27.140 Possibly, but, um, anyway, the, the, um, you know, the point of it is that, um, uh,
00:03:34.140 that I was taking part, so I wasn't enjoying myself because when you're eight.
00:03:39.140 Yeah.
00:03:40.140 Um, it's that age of girls, you know, and dancing.
00:03:43.140 Oh, that's a girl's thing. 1.00
00:03:44.140 So there was that sort of male ego kind of thing.
00:03:46.140 Okay.
00:03:47.140 Yeah.
00:03:48.140 Okay.
00:03:49.140 But I liked the dancing.
00:03:50.140 You liked the dancing.
00:03:51.140 I liked the dancing.
00:03:52.140 I liked it, you know?
00:03:53.140 Did you say, would you say you liked it because is that when you felt like you're a girl
00:03:55.140 or is it because it was associated with girls?
00:03:57.140 I think it was, I mean, my first thoughts of that girls thing.
00:04:00.140 Do you think that could have triggered?
00:04:02.140 Because you know what it is sometimes?
00:04:03.140 Like, sometimes there are men who have thoughts of homosexuality.
00:04:08.140 It's just a popping thought.
00:04:09.140 It's not the same thing.
00:04:10.140 And then we think, oh, I must be gay.
00:04:12.140 No, no, no. 0.79
00:04:13.140 Okay.
00:04:14.140 It's not an identity thing.
00:04:15.140 Okay.
00:04:16.140 How did you, how do you establish that?
00:04:17.140 Because at eight years old...
00:04:18.140 You're a Muslim. 0.98
00:04:19.140 How do you know you're a Muslim? 0.99
00:04:20.140 I became a Muslim 11 years ago.
00:04:21.140 Okay.
00:04:22.140 So I submitted to the fact that there is one God.
00:04:23.140 Okay.
00:04:24.140 It's a little bit of a bit.
00:04:25.140 The Quran is the final reason. 0.99
00:04:26.140 Do you have a favourite ice cream?
00:04:27.140 Yes.
00:04:28.140 Okay.
00:04:29.140 Yeah.
00:04:30.140 Why?
00:04:31.140 Because I taste...
00:04:32.140 Because you like the taste of it.
00:04:33.140 I tasted it and then I came to know that I like that.
00:04:35.140 Yeah.
00:04:36.140 So it's experience based.
00:04:37.140 Okay.
00:04:38.140 Okay.
00:04:39.140 Now, being trans is not the same as gay.
00:04:42.140 Yes, of course.
00:04:43.140 It's not on the same league as homosexuality.
00:04:45.140 Yes.
00:04:46.140 It's a LGBT. 0.93
00:04:47.140 Yes.
00:04:48.140 Okay.
00:04:49.140 And the reason for that is that it's an identity thing.
00:04:51.140 Okay.
00:04:52.140 It's how I think of myself as the world, you know, in the world.
00:04:54.140 Okay.
00:04:55.140 You know, that I'm a like, you know, that I've got five fingers.
00:04:58.140 But isn't that subjective?
00:05:00.140 It is subjective.
00:05:01.140 I'll call you...
00:05:02.140 Sorry.
00:05:03.140 Aren't all these things subjective?
00:05:04.140 Yeah.
00:05:05.140 So for example, if I say that I identify as a pirate.
00:05:08.140 Yep.
00:05:09.140 And I say to myself, you know what, in order for me to be a pirate, I have to have a missing
00:05:12.140 left arm and a missing right leg.
00:05:14.140 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:05:15.140 Argument.
00:05:16.140 No, no, no.
00:05:17.140 I could have sworn you said parent.
00:05:18.140 And I'm thinking...
00:05:19.140 No, no, no.
00:05:20.140 A pirate. 0.88
00:05:21.140 A pirate.
00:05:22.140 Yeah, exactly.
00:05:23.140 So if I was to say, I identify...
00:05:24.140 Where do we draw the line?
00:05:25.140 Because to us in the Quran, for example, God Almighty says, if you forget my remembrance,
00:05:30.140 I will make you forget your own self.
00:05:31.140 Okay.
00:05:32.140 Now, for me, obviously, I have no evidence or case study for this.
00:05:34.140 But what we believe is that if anyone doesn't have a relationship with God Almighty,
00:05:38.140 then we go down the route of trying to seek happiness through other means.
00:05:41.140 And what this means is that we don't have a limit.
00:05:43.140 Now, this is the reason why the area that we're living in, we've got people who are identifying
00:05:46.140 as pianos.
00:05:47.140 We've got people who are identifying as a tree.
00:05:48.140 There's people who are identifying as a cat.
00:05:49.140 Where do we draw the line?
00:05:51.140 For yourself, for example, I've posted you was eight years old.
00:05:54.140 There was a specific dance you wanted to do.
00:05:56.140 And that was...
00:05:57.140 That was in...
00:05:58.140 No, no.
00:05:59.140 It was the awakening of this is who I am.
00:06:01.140 But how did you come to a real...
00:06:02.140 Because you know what it is?
00:06:03.140 I'm just trying to understand your psychology.
00:06:05.140 Where did you come six years ago?
00:06:06.140 Why did it take you six years?
00:06:07.140 Because you said at the age of eight, you had this tendency to be...
00:06:10.140 You want to be in the girl?
00:06:11.140 Well, the problem is you just sort of go along with the...
00:06:13.140 But why?
00:06:14.140 Because if that is your identity, why would you delay that identity for such decades?
00:06:20.140 And then six years later, embrace it and say, I'm going to be Laura.
00:06:24.140 Effectively, all these things are human-made structures.
00:06:28.140 Yes.
00:06:29.140 We tag these words so we can fit into a nice box.
00:06:32.140 Yeah.
00:06:33.140 So, you know, we like to say, that's a tall person.
00:06:35.140 Yeah. 0.99
00:06:36.140 That's a fat person. 0.92
00:06:37.140 Yeah. 0.96
00:06:38.140 That's a him or he, you know, all sorts of things.
00:06:40.140 Yes.
00:06:41.140 You know, they have big feet.
00:06:42.140 They have red hair.
00:06:43.140 Yes.
00:06:44.140 Yeah.
00:06:45.140 All these elements.
00:06:46.140 We adopt these categories.
00:06:47.140 Yes.
00:06:48.140 In order to make sense of things.
00:06:49.140 Because at the end of the day, it comes down to the human condition.
00:06:53.140 Okay.
00:06:54.140 So, let's just go basic language.
00:06:56.140 Yeah.
00:06:57.140 Okay.
00:06:58.140 So, I'm guessing you know two languages at least, right?
00:07:00.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:01.140 Yeah.
00:07:02.140 So, you know, Pakistani?
00:07:03.140 I'm Turkish.
00:07:04.140 Oh, Turkish. 1.00
00:07:05.140 Okay.
00:07:06.140 So, Turkish. 0.91
00:07:07.140 I love Pakistani.
00:07:08.140 Okay.
00:07:09.140 Yeah.
00:07:10.140 Again, that is another tag.
00:07:11.140 Yeah.
00:07:12.140 What's the difference between Persian and Middle Eastern?
00:07:15.140 Hmm.
00:07:16.140 Culture, language.
00:07:17.140 Effectively, you're just narrowing it down.
00:07:18.140 And it's wrapped in all sorts of things.
00:07:20.140 Culture, language, structure, you know, and so on.
00:07:24.140 So, you know, even laws.
00:07:26.140 Yeah.
00:07:27.140 We can't biologically, like when we look at someone's biology,
00:07:30.140 we cannot determine where they are kind of from.
00:07:33.140 They can get an idea from it.
00:07:34.140 But for example, biologically you would understand that.
00:07:36.140 For example, for you to identify as a woman,
00:07:38.140 we know that biologically a woman gives birth
00:07:41.140 and she has different reproductive system. 1.00
00:07:43.140 Okay.
00:07:44.140 So, so, so.
00:07:45.140 If you've got a woman that's sterile and she can't give birth, 1.00
00:07:46.140 is she not a woman anymore? 1.00
00:07:47.140 No, no, no.
00:07:48.140 But we know she has the ability to give birth. 0.97
00:07:50.140 Well, she doesn't.
00:07:51.140 She's sterile. 0.75
00:07:52.140 She doesn't have the ability.
00:07:53.140 Maybe she was born without a womb. 1.00
00:07:54.140 What?
00:07:55.140 Maybe she was never.
00:07:56.140 Oh, yeah.
00:07:57.140 No, that's fine.
00:07:58.140 Let's just carry on.
00:07:59.140 Let's just pre-record.
00:08:00.140 Maybe she was born without a womb. 1.00
00:08:01.140 She cannot bear children.
00:08:02.140 No, no, no.
00:08:03.140 I know, but what I'm seeing is-
00:08:04.140 Does that mean she's not a woman anymore? 1.00
00:08:05.140 No, no, no.
00:08:06.140 But what we're seeing is that the fact that she has the ability,
00:08:07.140 there's other factors that were involved that she cannot have a child.
00:08:09.140 So therefore, she doesn't have the ability.
00:08:12.140 No, no.
00:08:13.140 I know, but she- 0.94
00:08:14.140 You're ascribing woman to an ability.
00:08:16.140 Yes, yes.
00:08:17.140 No, no.
00:08:18.140 And if she doesn't have that ability,
00:08:19.140 therefore she's not a woman then, right?
00:08:20.140 No, no.
00:08:21.140 What's the logical inference you're going to?
00:08:22.140 No, but what I'm saying is the following. 1.00
00:08:23.140 If a man has a genitalia, which is a penis, 1.00
00:08:26.140 he might not be able to have children. 1.00
00:08:28.140 But we do know that he has the reproductive system 0.97
00:08:31.140 that is in place,
00:08:32.140 but there's something going wrong biologically or from other means
00:08:34.140 that's stopping him from having children.
00:08:36.140 However, when we look,
00:08:38.140 we will say that that is a biological man.
00:08:40.140 But it's just because there's certain factors,
00:08:42.140 it might be an illness, whatever it is.
00:08:43.140 But all you're doing is saying, 1.00
00:08:44.140 because that person's got a penis, 1.00
00:08:45.140 is a man, 1.00
00:08:46.140 and because she's got a vagina, 1.00
00:08:47.140 she's a woman. 1.00
00:08:48.140 That's correct.
00:08:49.140 How else do we define gender?
00:08:50.140 Well, that's the problem.
00:08:51.140 Gender is an up here thing. 1.00
00:08:52.140 But then...
00:08:53.140 You're talking about sex characteristics.
00:08:55.140 Okay, but...
00:08:56.140 What about...
00:08:57.140 What do you call them?
00:08:59.140 People who got birth defects,
00:09:01.140 so they got male and female...
00:09:02.140 Do you understand that's when they were born like that?
00:09:04.140 There's a term for that.
00:09:05.140 So they're both, right?
00:09:07.140 You can...
00:09:08.140 But we...
00:09:09.140 In Islam what we say is that the organ that is active is what determines their gender.
00:09:12.140 So... 1.00
00:09:13.140 So if they have a vagina and a penis, 1.00
00:09:15.140 and the penis is an active organ, 1.00
00:09:16.140 we will say that is a man. 0.99
00:09:18.140 So it depends on other factors...
00:09:19.140 But what happens when they're four?
00:09:20.140 When they're what?
00:09:21.140 If they're four,
00:09:22.140 they can't make children then, can't they?
00:09:23.140 Four?
00:09:24.140 What do you mean by four?
00:09:25.140 If someone, a child is four,
00:09:27.140 they're not able to function to make babies. 1.00
00:09:30.140 No, no, that's fine, but...
00:09:31.140 A woman, you know, a girl that's... 1.00
00:09:33.140 Of course, but we still determine that because at the end of their life,
00:09:35.140 for example, we need to understand that
00:09:37.140 if we do not have these realities and these facts,
00:09:39.140 where do we draw the line?
00:09:40.140 Because what you're doing is now,
00:09:41.140 you're saying, I identify as a woman.
00:09:42.140 Now, do you go to female toilet or male toilet? 1.00
00:09:44.140 No, no, no, I am a woman.
00:09:45.140 Okay.
00:09:46.140 In my head, I know who I am.
00:09:47.140 Okay, but if I say to you...
00:09:48.140 This is about the language thing.
00:09:49.140 If I say...
00:09:50.140 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:09:51.140 This is about the language thing.
00:09:52.140 So, ultimately, I have an idea in my head,
00:09:55.140 and I want to get it into your head,
00:09:57.140 and the only thing I've got is words.
00:09:58.140 Yes.
00:09:59.140 And the problem with words is they change and evolve.
00:10:01.140 Yes.
00:10:02.140 You know, so, for example,
00:10:04.140 here's a couple of English ones.
00:10:05.140 So, you know the word naughty?
00:10:06.140 Yeah.
00:10:07.140 Naughty used to be up there with evil.
00:10:09.140 Okay.
00:10:10.140 You know, it used to be like a really strong word.
00:10:12.140 You call someone naughty, that's like, whoa,
00:10:14.140 you might call him Satan or something.
00:10:16.140 It's on that kind of line.
00:10:18.140 Okay.
00:10:19.140 And, of course, one of the problems with English is
00:10:21.140 we have multiple words that mean roughly the same thing.
00:10:23.140 Okay.
00:10:24.140 There's a difference between a loaf, and bread, and a bap,
00:10:27.140 and a hill, and a mountain, and, you know, and so on.
00:10:30.140 A valley, and a nook, and, you know,
00:10:33.140 it's just little differences, nuances.
00:10:35.140 Yeah.
00:10:36.140 And so, we are really learning now that what,
00:10:40.140 how someone identifies isn't what's down there,
00:10:44.140 it's what's in between here.
00:10:46.140 But then where do we draw the line?
00:10:48.140 Because if that's the case, I can come and say,
00:10:49.140 I identify as someone who always speaks facts.
00:10:52.140 Therefore, you are not a woman. 0.99
00:10:54.140 Sorry?
00:10:55.140 If I said to you, I identify as an individual
00:10:58.140 who speaks nothing but facts,
00:11:00.140 and my fact is that you are a man, not a woman.
00:11:03.140 Well, that's an opinion.
00:11:04.140 Would you?
00:11:05.140 No, but I said to you, up here, I believe I am that man
00:11:08.140 who can tell these facts.
00:11:10.140 I speak nothing but facts.
00:11:12.140 Do you remember I said about the apple thing?
00:11:16.140 Yes.
00:11:17.140 When I state that you stole my apple,
00:11:18.140 I believe that to be a fact.
00:11:20.140 Good.
00:11:21.140 I'm wrong.
00:11:22.140 So, it's a belief.
00:11:23.140 I'm wrong.
00:11:24.140 Exactly.
00:11:25.140 So, what you believe to be a fact.
00:11:26.140 Yes.
00:11:27.140 It's a bit like I was saying before.
00:11:28.140 Exactly.
00:11:29.140 So, doesn't that apply to you though?
00:11:30.140 If a Christian says Jesus is true, 1.00
00:11:33.140 and you say Allah is true,
00:11:35.140 which one's correct?
00:11:36.140 You both believe.
00:11:37.140 But we have evidence.
00:11:39.140 What have they got evidence from?
00:11:40.140 They believe as evidence.
00:11:41.140 Not really.
00:11:42.140 Because that's the reason why we have a lot of dialogue with Christians.
00:11:44.140 You talked about belief.
00:11:45.140 You believe up here,
00:11:46.140 something like the apple you're talking about,
00:11:48.140 but we're saying that you are wrong.
00:11:49.140 Because what you believe that you are a woman, 0.99
00:11:52.140 is clear biologically,
00:11:54.140 and determined by other factors that you cannot be.
00:11:57.140 So, if we're going to use that standard of belief,
00:11:59.140 then can you believe that you are wrong?
00:12:00.140 Can you believe me wrong?
00:12:02.140 Yes, because my brain does not work in the same way as men. 0.95
00:12:06.140 No, no, but we don't know how a man's brain works systematically.
00:12:09.140 We do.
00:12:10.140 How can we measure that?
00:12:11.140 We can do...
00:12:12.140 Do you know what CAT scans are?
00:12:13.140 Yes.
00:12:14.140 You know when they stick the thing on the head
00:12:15.140 and they can see which parts of the brain light up?
00:12:17.140 Yes, yes, yes.
00:12:18.140 Those are showing different...
00:12:19.140 Men tend to use one hemisphere.
00:12:21.140 Okay.
00:12:22.140 Men tend to use both more.
00:12:23.140 Good.
00:12:24.140 All right, good.
00:12:25.140 So, good.
00:12:26.140 So, what you've found there is now...
00:12:27.140 My brain would have both working.
00:12:28.140 Okay, good point.
00:12:29.140 So, what you've found is...
00:12:30.140 So, effectively, I am the middle brain.
00:12:31.140 We can't even determine that.
00:12:32.140 Because what you've found is you said they use CAT scans
00:12:33.140 to see how a man's, male's brain works,
00:12:35.140 and how a woman's brain works. 1.00
00:12:36.140 That means that...
00:12:37.140 I mean, they measure someone like me.
00:12:38.140 Good.
00:12:39.140 I fit the same brain characteristics as women do. 0.98
00:12:41.140 We don't know that.
00:12:42.140 I'm taking a word for that.
00:12:43.140 But what I'm saying is you've already established
00:12:45.140 that there are male and females.
00:12:47.140 There are some people who say there are no male or females.
00:12:49.140 Okay.
00:12:50.140 Then what do we say to them?
00:12:51.140 Somebody who believes and says,
00:12:52.140 I don't believe there are men and women.
00:12:53.140 There are social constructs.
00:12:54.140 Oh, well, that's what they are.
00:12:55.140 Okay, so then how do you now...
00:12:56.140 These are.
00:12:57.140 These are social constructs.
00:12:58.140 How do you believe their reality?
00:12:59.140 Okay, but how do you believe their reality?
00:13:00.140 Because you said we do CAT scans to know
00:13:01.140 it's a male's brain and a female's brain. 0.99
00:13:02.140 But somebody will come and say,
00:13:03.140 you know what, hold on.
00:13:04.140 I don't believe there are men and women at all.
00:13:05.140 Yeah, but all it's doing is verifying things.
00:13:07.140 But how do you verify?
00:13:08.140 If somebody comes and says,
00:13:09.140 I don't believe there are men or women.
00:13:10.140 Okay.
00:13:11.140 We are just gender neutral.
00:13:12.140 Well, believe it or not,
00:13:13.140 there are actually languages that do that.
00:13:15.140 It's just a person.
00:13:16.140 Would you accept that?
00:13:17.140 They refer to a person.
00:13:18.140 Would you accept if someone said,
00:13:19.140 I'm gender neutral?
00:13:20.140 Yeah, but there are...
00:13:21.140 No, no, no.
00:13:22.140 It's not so much about gender neutral.
00:13:23.140 Yeah.
00:13:24.140 It's just that their language,
00:13:25.140 because remember,
00:13:26.140 language is getting one idea to someone else.
00:13:28.140 Yes.
00:13:29.140 That's all it is.
00:13:30.140 Yes.
00:13:31.140 It's just a way of communicating ideas
00:13:32.140 from one person to another.
00:13:33.140 Okay.
00:13:34.140 You're communicating something to me,
00:13:35.140 I'm communicating something to you.
00:13:36.140 Yes.
00:13:37.140 So all we're doing is comparing
00:13:38.140 what we believe to be the case.
00:13:40.140 But how do we come to facts and truths?
00:13:42.140 Well, that's a problem.
00:13:43.140 What you believe to be a fact may not be true.
00:13:45.140 Yes.
00:13:46.140 Okay, but that's what I'm saying.
00:13:47.140 Let's imagine.
00:13:48.140 I know this is going to be difficult for you,
00:13:49.140 because you're a believer.
00:13:50.140 Yeah.
00:13:51.140 You're a Muslim. 0.98
00:13:53.140 Imagine an idea where God doesn't exist at all. 0.97
00:13:56.140 Okay.
00:13:57.140 That, you know,
00:13:58.140 you die and nothing happens.
00:13:59.140 Okay.
00:14:00.140 You know,
00:14:01.140 there's no heaven,
00:14:02.140 there's no hell,
00:14:03.140 none of that stuff. 0.56
00:14:04.140 It's just you die and you blink out of existence
00:14:05.140 and you're in the memories of your friends and family.
00:14:07.140 Okay.
00:14:08.140 You know?
00:14:09.140 Okay.
00:14:10.140 What difference would it make?
00:14:11.140 It would make a lot of difference to my lifestyle.
00:14:14.140 And the thing is though,
00:14:15.140 I have evidence to believe that.
00:14:16.140 I believe,
00:14:17.140 what I've just stated,
00:14:18.140 I believe that's what happens.
00:14:19.140 That's the case.
00:14:20.140 Okay.
00:14:21.140 But I have evidence.
00:14:22.140 But you believe something else,
00:14:23.140 and you know,
00:14:24.140 it's okay to believe something.
00:14:26.140 But I can bring evidence to why that's not.
00:14:28.140 You're an atheist. 0.76
00:14:29.140 Yes.
00:14:30.140 Okay.
00:14:31.140 So I will say to you,
00:14:32.140 do you accept that, for example,
00:14:33.140 everything that you're wearing today has a specific pattern
00:14:36.140 that's been caused?
00:14:37.140 Oh, you're talking about a causality.
00:14:38.140 You're talking about something that's been made by someone.
00:14:40.140 Yeah.
00:14:41.140 For example,
00:14:42.140 would you accept that your glasses have been made?
00:14:43.140 He used the same argument.
00:14:44.140 Yeah.
00:14:45.140 So would you believe that your glasses are made?
00:14:46.140 They have a shape?
00:14:47.140 Yeah.
00:14:48.140 Are you going to start doing the Kalam cosmological argument?
00:14:50.140 I'll touch upon it,
00:14:51.140 but there's different.
00:14:52.140 I used to use the cosmological contingency argument as well.
00:14:54.140 The problem with Kalam is all they're saying is,
00:14:57.140 everything that is made has a creator.
00:14:59.140 Yes.
00:15:00.140 Everything that begins to exist.
00:15:01.140 Therefore,
00:15:02.140 the universe began to exist,
00:15:03.140 the universe has a creator.
00:15:04.140 Therefore, it was a creator.
00:15:05.140 But it doesn't say by who or by what.
00:15:07.140 Oh, yeah.
00:15:08.140 We can.
00:15:09.140 We say by who and by what.
00:15:10.140 What we say is the following though,
00:15:11.140 is that, for example,
00:15:12.140 you would accept that,
00:15:13.140 for example,
00:15:14.140 an intelligent being made your jacket and your glasses.
00:15:16.140 Yes.
00:15:17.140 Okay, good.
00:15:18.140 Are you composed of DNA?
00:15:19.140 Yes.
00:15:20.140 Does DNA have information?
00:15:21.140 Yes.
00:15:22.140 Information requires intelligence.
00:15:23.140 Well,
00:15:24.140 not in that case, does it?
00:15:25.140 How?
00:15:26.140 Tell me how.
00:15:27.140 Well,
00:15:28.140 where was the intelligence in it?
00:15:29.140 It's just a random bunch of four chemicals.
00:15:31.140 No, it's not.
00:15:32.140 Random.
00:15:33.140 There are one billion codes in a genome.
00:15:35.140 Yes.
00:15:36.140 Yes.
00:15:37.140 And each of these codes make what your heart,
00:15:38.140 your organs,
00:15:39.140 each one of them.
00:15:40.140 And it's only that,
00:15:41.140 the way it works is,
00:15:42.140 it switches off and on.
00:15:43.140 Yeah.
00:15:44.140 Because it's the same DNA.
00:15:45.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:46.140 In your heart,
00:15:47.140 but your liver looks different to your heart.
00:15:48.140 It's those buttons that switch on and off.
00:15:49.140 So what we see is that,
00:15:50.140 that requires that intelligence.
00:15:51.140 That's a sequence of intelligence.
00:15:52.140 So for example,
00:15:53.140 And here's the thing,
00:15:54.140 here's the important thing to realize.
00:15:55.140 Yes.
00:15:56.140 When babies are in the womb.
00:15:57.140 Yeah.
00:15:58.140 For the first few months,
00:15:59.140 they're all female. 1.00
00:16:00.140 They're all what?
00:16:01.140 They're all female. 1.00
00:16:02.140 It depends,
00:16:03.140 what do you mean by that?
00:16:04.140 It's only,
00:16:05.140 it's only,
00:16:06.140 when they get to a certain time,
00:16:07.140 a certain amount of time that they are cultivating,
00:16:10.140 should we say.
00:16:11.140 Yes, yeah.
00:16:12.140 you know,
00:16:13.140 the,
00:16:14.140 the,
00:16:15.140 the male code triggers on.
00:16:16.140 Yes.
00:16:17.140 Okay, good.
00:16:18.140 So what that,
00:16:19.140 what that means is that,
00:16:20.140 it's already predetermined what the gender are. 1.00
00:16:21.140 It's a matter of time where the code is,
00:16:23.140 okay.
00:16:24.140 Inactive.
00:16:25.140 That's important.
00:16:26.140 Okay.
00:16:27.140 We have all the different organs,
00:16:29.140 and they have a code for those organs.
00:16:31.140 Exactly.
00:16:32.140 So,
00:16:33.140 there's a code up.
00:16:34.140 That's the point.
00:16:35.140 Let's use an analogy.
00:16:36.140 Yes.
00:16:37.140 Okay.
00:16:38.140 Of a Lego set.
00:16:39.140 Yes.
00:16:40.140 You buy the Lego set,
00:16:41.140 it comes with the instruction,
00:16:42.140 you build it as it says.
00:16:43.140 Yes.
00:16:44.140 Okay.
00:16:45.140 Those are the,
00:16:46.140 and you know,
00:16:47.140 effectively we can say,
00:16:48.140 make it look like that sheep.
00:16:49.140 That is the code.
00:16:50.140 Yes.
00:16:51.140 Yes.
00:16:52.140 Okay.
00:16:53.140 Now,
00:16:54.140 for someone like me,
00:16:55.140 is that your water?
00:16:56.140 No.
00:16:57.140 Okay.
00:16:58.140 For someone like me.
00:16:59.140 Yeah.
00:17:00.140 Isn't it possible,
00:17:01.140 that where the liver is,
00:17:03.140 is perfectly fine coded.
00:17:04.140 Yeah.
00:17:05.140 But,
00:17:06.140 instead of red.
00:17:07.140 Yeah.
00:17:08.140 They were green.
00:17:09.140 Okay.
00:17:10.140 The pieces of the Lego set.
00:17:11.140 Okay.
00:17:12.140 So my brain,
00:17:13.140 Yeah.
00:17:14.140 had a different structure.
00:17:15.140 The code was a little bit different.
00:17:17.140 Are you telling,
00:17:18.140 are you telling me that,
00:17:19.140 that's what makes you a female? 1.00
00:17:20.140 Or are you making it?
00:17:21.140 I'm,
00:17:22.140 I'm using an analogy.
00:17:23.140 Okay.
00:17:24.140 To say that my brain works differently.
00:17:26.140 Okay.
00:17:27.140 But how does that make you a female? 1.00
00:17:28.140 There are different women that, 1.00
00:17:29.140 their brains work a bit different than other women. 1.00
00:17:30.140 It doesn't make them a different species of women. 1.00
00:17:32.140 But,
00:17:33.140 no, no, no.
00:17:34.140 It's not a different species.
00:17:35.140 It's just that in my brain,
00:17:36.140 Yes.
00:17:37.140 The code that said,
00:17:38.140 you know,
00:17:39.140 let's,
00:17:40.140 let's use two elements of it.
00:17:41.140 We've got two components.
00:17:42.140 Yes.
00:17:43.140 Okay. 0.97
00:17:44.140 One of it is the genitals. 0.95
00:17:45.140 Yeah. 0.77
00:17:46.140 The Lego set was,
00:17:47.140 yep,
00:17:48.140 that's male one.
00:17:49.140 Yeah.
00:17:50.140 But my brain,
00:17:51.140 Yeah.
00:17:52.140 Had the female version. 0.99
00:17:53.140 Okay.
00:17:54.140 We say,
00:17:55.140 you know why this is important to God Almighty?
00:17:56.140 Because we believe God cannot make that mistake.
00:17:57.140 So we say, for example,
00:17:58.140 this is why it's important.
00:17:59.140 When I was talking about God Almighty,
00:18:00.140 it's important to have that relationship with God.
00:18:01.140 That's why I said to you,
00:18:02.140 if we are composed of being.
00:18:03.140 Why did God make a mistake?
00:18:04.140 No, God cannot make a mistake.
00:18:05.140 The mistake is within ourselves.
00:18:06.140 Let me restate that.
00:18:07.140 Yeah.
00:18:08.140 Yeah.
00:18:09.140 Why is it a mistake?
00:18:10.140 Because we-
00:18:11.140 Why do you consider it a mistake,
00:18:12.140 not what God wanted in the first place?
00:18:13.140 Good, good, good.
00:18:14.140 This is what we say.
00:18:15.140 We say that God Almighty,
00:18:16.140 there's objective morality.
00:18:17.140 So morality doesn't change by human beings' decisions.
00:18:19.140 Because otherwise,
00:18:20.140 that's what we'd be.
00:18:21.140 For example,
00:18:22.140 do you go to female toilets or male toilets?
00:18:23.140 I just go to the toilet.
00:18:25.140 I tend to go,
00:18:26.140 I go to female toilets when I'm out. 1.00
00:18:28.140 Okay.
00:18:29.140 For example,
00:18:30.140 a lot of people will have a lot of concerns with that.
00:18:31.140 Because if I'm sending my daughter-
00:18:32.140 Why?
00:18:33.140 Let me tell you why.
00:18:34.140 Not that,
00:18:35.140 I'm not saying that-
00:18:36.140 No, no, no, no.
00:18:37.140 I'm not saying that you're going to do anything,
00:18:38.140 but it's a matter of,
00:18:39.140 there is a,
00:18:40.140 to me,
00:18:41.140 to my belief,
00:18:42.140 without any offence,
00:18:43.140 a biological man is in the toilet with my,
00:18:44.140 I'll give you my daughter,
00:18:45.140 who's 10, 11,
00:18:46.140 for that matter.
00:18:47.140 Now,
00:18:48.140 I'm seeing,
00:18:49.140 in that aspect,
00:18:50.140 imagine if you had a child,
00:18:51.140 and you have a daughter,
00:18:53.140 and I identify as a woman,
00:18:54.140 and you send her to the toilet, 1.00
00:18:55.140 and there is a biological man out there
00:18:57.140 who has the ability,
00:18:58.140 who has the male reproduction organ,
00:19:00.140 and could,
00:19:01.140 potentially,
00:19:02.140 if their brain just,
00:19:03.140 which is for whatever reason,
00:19:04.140 they could,
00:19:05.140 they could choose to use,
00:19:06.140 and me,
00:19:07.140 I want to know,
00:19:08.140 that there are females in that toilet.
00:19:09.140 Now,
00:19:10.140 if I know there is a,
00:19:11.140 female there, 0.97
00:19:12.140 but is actually a man,
00:19:13.140 to me,
00:19:14.140 that is violating my rights.
00:19:15.140 Sorry?
00:19:16.140 I'm not a man, no.
00:19:17.140 That's the problem.
00:19:18.140 But that's what,
00:19:19.140 that's what you believe,
00:19:20.140 but this is the reality,
00:19:21.140 and what's in your head.
00:19:22.140 But the thing about it is,
00:19:23.140 why would you make an assumption,
00:19:25.140 that because,
00:19:26.140 of genitals,
00:19:27.140 therefore, 0.92
00:19:28.140 I'm dangerous?
00:19:29.140 No, no,
00:19:30.140 I'm not saying that.
00:19:31.140 I'm saying,
00:19:32.140 potentially,
00:19:33.140 you're in the wrong place.
00:19:34.140 It's like me,
00:19:35.140 can I be in a woman's, 0.90
00:19:36.140 a woman's toilet? 1.00
00:19:37.140 What would happen if I go to a female's toilet? 1.00
00:19:39.140 Hang on.
00:19:40.140 The thing to bear in mind,
00:19:41.140 is,
00:19:42.140 you're basically suggesting,
00:19:44.140 you're making it an inference,
00:19:46.140 that because I was born with certain genitals,
00:19:48.140 therefore,
00:19:49.140 I possibly could be a danger?
00:19:50.140 I wouldn't,
00:19:51.140 Do you know how many people,
00:19:52.140 out of,
00:19:53.140 you know,
00:19:54.140 the last,
00:19:55.140 at least 50 years,
00:19:56.140 do you know how many trans people,
00:19:58.140 have abused someone in a toilet?
00:20:00.140 There's a lot of cases.
00:20:01.140 There's a man who got arrested,
00:20:02.140 who went and identified as a woman.
00:20:03.140 Four.
00:20:04.140 No, no, there isn't.
00:20:05.140 There was a woman who, 0.97
00:20:06.140 a man,
00:20:07.140 who identified as a woman,
00:20:08.140 went into the women's prison, 0.99
00:20:09.140 and raped multiple inmates. 0.99
00:20:10.140 Yes. 0.99
00:20:11.140 So what I'm saying is,
00:20:12.140 there are many cases.
00:20:13.140 Yeah, there's many cases.
00:20:14.140 What I'm saying is this,
00:20:15.140 in nurseries,
00:20:16.140 why do you always see females working, 1.00
00:20:17.140 instead of men?
00:20:18.140 Things to bear in mind.
00:20:19.140 But can you ask me a question?
00:20:20.140 Hang on,
00:20:21.140 this is important,
00:20:22.140 because you brought up that person.
00:20:23.140 Yeah.
00:20:24.140 Okay.
00:20:25.140 That person,
00:20:26.140 committed rape.
00:20:27.140 Yes. 0.83
00:20:28.140 Before they went,
00:20:29.140 when they were a guy.
00:20:30.140 Yes.
00:20:31.140 So it wasn't because-
00:20:32.140 But they use your card.
00:20:33.140 No, no, no, no, no.
00:20:34.140 To do,
00:20:35.140 just to do more.
00:20:36.140 Think about it.
00:20:37.140 Yeah.
00:20:38.140 Okay.
00:20:39.140 It wasn't because they were trans,
00:20:40.140 that they did this thing.
00:20:41.140 Yes. 1.00
00:20:42.140 It's because they were a rapist. 0.99
00:20:43.140 I'm going to use, 0.97
00:20:44.140 and I apologise,
00:20:45.140 I really do apologise.
00:20:46.140 Yeah.
00:20:47.140 So you know the people,
00:20:48.140 you know, 0.98
00:20:49.140 Muslim terrorists of modern things, 1.00
00:20:50.140 and stuff like that. 0.99
00:20:51.140 Yeah.
00:20:52.140 Does that mean I should think
00:20:53.140 you're a suspect, 0.76
00:20:54.140 because of the colour of your skin,
00:20:55.140 or, you know,
00:20:56.140 how you got a beard,
00:20:57.140 or you were Muslim?
00:20:58.140 I don't think so.
00:20:59.140 Overwhelming majority.
00:21:00.140 I believe in judging people
00:21:01.140 for what they do.
00:21:02.140 Of course, of course not.
00:21:03.140 We disagree.
00:21:04.140 Yeah.
00:21:05.140 We clearly disagree.
00:21:06.140 Yeah.
00:21:07.140 But you have not been offensive to me.
00:21:08.140 100%,
00:21:09.140 I don't want to be offensive.
00:21:10.140 I'm not here to be offensive to you.
00:21:11.140 I want to have a dialogue with you.
00:21:12.140 I believe the reason why you're thinking
00:21:14.140 the way you're thinking,
00:21:15.140 is because you don't have a relationship
00:21:16.140 with God Almighty.
00:21:17.140 I believe if you had a relationship
00:21:18.140 with God Almighty,
00:21:19.140 because what's happening is,
00:21:20.140 when you don't have God in your life,
00:21:21.140 you are bound to worship something.
00:21:22.140 And what you're doing is,
00:21:23.140 you maybe came to a point in your life
00:21:24.140 where you thought,
00:21:25.140 you know what?
00:21:26.140 I don't want to be a man.
00:21:27.140 Let me be honest with you.
00:21:28.140 Being a man is quite hard.
00:21:29.140 There was that woman who actually... 1.00
00:21:30.140 But there were believers
00:21:31.140 that do really awful things
00:21:32.140 in the name of their religion.
00:21:33.140 No, no, no.
00:21:34.140 What I'm saying is this.
00:21:35.140 What I'm saying is this. 0.94
00:21:36.140 And they're awful.
00:21:37.140 Of course not.
00:21:38.140 Of course not.
00:21:39.140 Yes, what we're saying is that
00:21:41.140 in order to find ultimate happiness
00:21:42.140 and serenity and peace,
00:21:44.140 you're having a relationship
00:21:45.140 with God Almighty
00:21:46.140 will fix that
00:21:47.140 and make you understand
00:21:48.140 why you're here.
00:21:49.140 You embrace yourself.
00:21:50.140 Because look,
00:21:51.140 there's a lot of things people want to be.
00:21:52.140 There are Muslim men 0.96
00:21:53.140 who want to go and sleep around. 0.98
00:21:54.140 Islam says,
00:21:55.140 no, we don't believe
00:21:56.140 that my desires
00:21:57.140 is going to control me.
00:21:58.140 Rather, I have to control my desires.
00:21:59.140 Otherwise,
00:22:00.140 you can never stop.
00:22:01.140 Today you will say,
00:22:02.140 I'm a woman.
00:22:03.140 Tomorrow I'll say,
00:22:04.140 I'm a piano.
00:22:05.140 Somebody else will come and say,
00:22:06.140 I'm a tree.
00:22:07.140 Where do you stop? 0.75
00:22:08.140 Why is that a silly thing?
00:22:09.140 Why can one not be a tree?
00:22:10.140 Because people don't identify as trees.
00:22:11.140 No, no, there is.
00:22:12.140 There was a man who married a piano.
00:22:13.140 So what I'm saying is
00:22:14.140 why do you belittle their...
00:22:15.140 That's just something that's really...
00:22:17.140 You're basically bringing up outliers 0.68
00:22:19.140 as if that's the same thing.
00:22:21.140 And it's not.
00:22:22.140 But they can say the same to you.
00:22:23.140 Because trying to compare two things
00:22:25.140 it's like apples and cares.
00:22:26.140 Why do you deny their reality? 0.93
00:22:27.140 Like for example, paedophiles.
00:22:29.140 Why doesn't the LGBTQ community accept paedophiles? 1.00
00:22:31.140 Why don't they accept...
00:22:32.140 Incest? 0.98
00:22:33.140 What's your...
00:22:34.140 The LGBT people do accept... 0.99
00:22:35.140 No, they don't. 0.95
00:22:36.140 They don't accept paedophiles. 0.51
00:22:37.140 Yes. 0.94
00:22:38.140 Now, these are...
00:22:39.140 And I believe they shouldn't.
00:22:40.140 What I'm saying is that
00:22:41.140 this man comes and says,
00:22:42.140 I was born
00:22:43.140 to have attraction to minors.
00:22:45.140 The majority of paedophiles 0.97
00:22:47.140 are people like yourself. 1.00
00:22:48.140 I don't mean Muslim. 1.00
00:22:49.140 I just mean men.
00:22:51.140 Okay. 0.98
00:22:52.140 Most paedophiles are men. 0.97
00:22:54.140 I mean, most... 0.86
00:22:55.140 Why middle-aged men?
00:22:56.140 But it doesn't mean to say
00:22:57.140 that all men are paedophiles.
00:22:58.140 No, but, but, but...
00:22:59.140 Because we judge people
00:23:00.140 about what they do
00:23:01.140 True.
00:23:02.140 Not what they believe
00:23:03.140 or whatever.
00:23:04.140 You know, you believe...
00:23:05.140 You're a Muslim. 0.98
00:23:06.140 You believe that.
00:23:07.140 I'm not going to say
00:23:08.140 that this person is terrorist 0.80
00:23:09.140 because they believe.
00:23:10.140 I understand.
00:23:11.140 But there's certain reality
00:23:12.140 that incest... 0.95
00:23:13.140 What's your views on incest?
00:23:14.140 I think it's wrong.
00:23:15.140 But that's my personal position.
00:23:16.140 Okay, but on what basis?
00:23:17.140 Sure.
00:23:18.140 If a brother and sister
00:23:19.140 has protected sex...
00:23:20.140 It leads to birth defects.
00:23:21.140 Why is that wrong?
00:23:22.140 No, no.
00:23:23.140 If they have protected sex,
00:23:24.140 why is it wrong?
00:23:25.140 It still can lead to birth defects.
00:23:26.140 No, if they use condom.
00:23:28.140 Well, you say, I mean,
00:23:29.140 you know,
00:23:30.140 I don't really mind.
00:23:31.140 You know, as long as no one's being hurt...
00:23:32.140 Okay, good.
00:23:33.140 So then you're okay 0.96
00:23:34.140 with a brother and sister having sex, 0.88
00:23:36.140 a mother and daughter,
00:23:37.140 and a father and...
00:23:38.140 Well, that's the thing though.
00:23:39.140 Because that's the way...
00:23:40.140 Where do you draw your line
00:23:41.140 where you say morality,
00:23:42.140 this is where it stops?
00:23:43.140 Well, that's the problem.
00:23:44.140 It's slippery slope fallacy, isn't it?
00:23:45.140 But the point is this though.
00:23:46.140 Where does that go to?
00:23:47.140 Exactly.
00:23:48.140 That's what we're saying.
00:23:49.140 But that's what we're saying.
00:23:50.140 Look, Laura,
00:23:51.140 like what I'm saying is,
00:23:52.140 I'm saying that if you have a relationship
00:23:54.140 with God Almighty,
00:23:55.140 it will answer all your questions.
00:23:57.140 Because we believe God doesn't make a mistake.
00:23:58.140 We're human beings.
00:23:59.140 We are bound by our societal pressures
00:24:00.140 and other factors.
00:24:01.140 So what I'm saying is,
00:24:02.140 these are the things that's led you,
00:24:04.140 which I believe,
00:24:05.140 to think that you are a female
00:24:06.140 when you're not.
00:24:07.140 Well, I am.
00:24:08.140 That's what you believe.
00:24:09.140 But again, it goes back to the belief system.
00:24:10.140 I do believe.
00:24:11.140 Yes.
00:24:12.140 Have you read the Quran before?
00:24:13.140 Yes.
00:24:14.140 I haven't actually got a copy of it.
00:24:15.140 Can I give you one?
00:24:16.140 Oh, sure, sure.
00:24:17.140 Yeah, thank you.
00:24:18.140 And I appreciate it.
00:24:19.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:20.140 I mean, I have read bits of it.
00:24:21.140 Trust me, one thing is that we need to submit.
00:24:23.140 What was it?
00:24:24.140 I don't know if it's a part of the Quran
00:24:25.140 or it's one of the ideas or something,
00:24:27.140 but it's basically,
00:24:29.140 if you decide to divorce your wife,
00:24:32.140 if she's pregnant,
00:24:33.140 you've got to look after her.
00:24:34.140 Yeah, you have to.
00:24:35.140 For a certain amount.
00:24:36.140 Yeah, you have to look after her.
00:24:37.140 Yeah.
00:24:38.140 I think things like that, you know.
00:24:39.140 No, no, of course.
00:24:40.140 They're rules for society.
00:24:41.140 And that's the thing.
00:24:42.140 The objective reality.
00:24:43.140 All these things are just rules for a community.
00:24:45.140 A group of people that believe this thing.
00:24:47.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:48.140 Christians believe that thing. 0.58
00:24:49.140 You know?
00:24:50.140 Yeah.
00:24:51.140 I went to Japan last year.
00:24:52.140 Yeah.
00:24:53.140 And, you know, they got Buddhist.
00:24:54.140 Yeah.
00:24:55.140 And Shinto as well.
00:24:56.140 I would say read the Quran.
00:24:57.140 By the way, here's a fun thing.
00:24:58.140 Yeah.
00:24:59.140 When I went to Japan,
00:25:00.140 I went to a Buddhist temple in Nagano.
00:25:03.140 Yeah.
00:25:04.140 And I have touched the key to paradise.
00:25:07.140 Okay, interesting.
00:25:08.140 You know?
00:25:09.140 Do you want me to tell you that?
00:25:10.140 It's very short.
00:25:11.140 Yeah, it's very short.
00:25:12.140 Okay, so,
00:25:13.140 I went to this place in Nagano,
00:25:15.140 and I paid some money to do the service.
00:25:17.140 Yeah.
00:25:18.140 And it was just...
00:25:19.140 It was a curious story, actually, because...
00:25:20.140 Ali, do you want to go for it?
00:25:21.140 No, we're going now.
00:25:22.140 We're going to finish now.
00:25:23.140 One minute.
00:25:24.140 You're just telling the story, we're finished.
00:25:25.140 Is it live totally good?
00:25:26.140 I'll restart it.
00:25:27.140 Okay.
00:25:28.140 Is it on?
00:25:29.140 Is this going on YouTube or something?
00:25:30.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:31.140 You'll have to tell me your group so I can...
00:25:33.140 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
00:25:34.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:25:35.140 You just tell me the story about Japan, yeah.
00:25:36.140 Because I would be really disappointed with you if you edited it.
00:25:38.140 No, I promise you.
00:25:39.140 I'll give you my word.
00:25:40.140 It's going to be from the beginning to the end.
00:25:41.140 Anyway, so...
00:25:43.140 You went to Japan?
00:25:44.140 Yeah, so I went to Japan.
00:25:45.140 So I paid some money and did the service.
00:25:47.140 Just some chanting and some sticks and a bong kind of thing.
00:25:50.140 And then afterwards, they led us to a tunnel under the temple.
00:25:53.140 Yeah.
00:25:54.140 And it was pitch black.
00:25:56.140 Yeah.
00:25:57.140 So you go down these steps.
00:25:58.140 Yeah.
00:25:59.140 And pitch black and there's a sign that you have to keep your hand on the wall.
00:26:02.140 Okay.
00:26:03.140 So you don't bump into things or whatever.
00:26:04.140 Okay.
00:26:05.140 So I went with about a group of people, there were like 15 of us.
00:26:08.140 Yeah.
00:26:09.140 And it was really hard walking in the dark.
00:26:11.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:26:12.140 Because you're worried about bumping into the person in front of you for like the seventh
00:26:15.140 time.
00:26:16.140 Yeah.
00:26:17.140 And so it's saying that the key to paradise is, you know, around waist height.
00:26:24.140 So I went around and I could hear a squeaking noise.
00:26:27.140 Obviously other people have found it.
00:26:28.140 Yeah.
00:26:29.140 But I couldn't find it.
00:26:30.140 Yeah.
00:26:31.140 And the symbolism behind it is the descent into hell.
00:26:34.140 Now it's not like fire and Satan and burning and torture.
00:26:38.140 It's just blackness and nothingness.
00:26:39.140 Okay.
00:26:40.140 Okay.
00:26:41.140 Similar to what I believe. 0.80
00:26:42.140 You die, nothing.
00:26:43.140 That's it.
00:26:44.140 It's nothing.
00:26:45.140 But anyway.
00:26:46.140 So it's nothing.
00:26:47.140 It's just blackness.
00:26:48.140 No torment.
00:26:49.140 No anything.
00:26:50.140 And so, but if you touch the key, it's the key to paradise.
00:26:52.140 And when you die, you just go to heaven or go to paradise.
00:26:55.140 I don't know whether they consider it a heaven in a similar way to the, you know, the Abrahamic
00:27:00.140 gods.
00:27:01.140 Yeah.
00:27:02.140 And then, and then when you come out, it's like really being reborn.
00:27:07.140 That's the symbolizing.
00:27:08.140 Okay.
00:27:09.140 So I couldn't find it.
00:27:10.140 And I went to attempt another building.
00:27:11.140 It was a priest.
00:27:12.140 And I said, what's the tall thing about?
00:27:13.140 And he explained what I told you.
00:27:15.140 And he said, well, I couldn't find the key.
00:27:17.140 And I was like, you couldn't.
00:27:18.140 He said, no.
00:27:19.140 You know, he said, well, the sign says it's a waist height.
00:27:21.140 I said, yeah, my waist is a lot higher than yours because he was only that tall.
00:27:24.140 Okay.
00:27:25.140 So next time, I'm wondering, I'm going like that all the way down.
00:27:27.140 I found it in the end.
00:27:28.140 Okay.
00:27:29.140 But I just thought that was interesting.
00:27:30.140 No, no, no, no.
00:27:31.140 No, thank you.
00:27:32.140 I appreciate it.
00:27:33.140 I mean, read the Quran.
00:27:34.140 Have a look.
00:27:35.140 Ali Dawah.
00:27:36.140 My name is, I don't have a quote on YouTube.
00:27:38.140 It's Ali Dawah.
00:27:39.140 Okay.
00:27:40.140 If you're on YouTube.
00:27:41.140 The Prophet said, the one who builds a masjid for the sake of Allah, Allah will build for 0.97
00:27:48.140 him a similar house in Jannah.
00:27:52.140 We want to establish an amazing masjid for the sake of Allah in the country of Norway,
00:27:59.140 one of the most northern countries of the world.
00:28:03.140 If you donate for the sake of Allah to establish this masjid, then he will give you the reward,
00:28:10.140 inshaAllah for every single person who becomes a Muslim in this masjid, for every single person 0.96
00:28:18.140 who starts practicing the deen from the Dawah that we give in this masjid, when they pray
00:28:23.140 their salawat, when they fast in the month of Ramadan, when they give in charity, every
00:28:29.140 single good deed that they do, you will inshaAllah get the reward for that.
00:28:34.140 If you donate something small, maybe $100, maybe $50 or whatever you can for the sake of Allah
00:28:43.140 and Allah said,
00:28:46.140 And share the video. It's absolutely free. And you will get extra reward for everyone else
00:29:01.140 participating in this amazing project.
00:29:16.140 Thank you.
00:29:17.140 Thank you.