Ali Dawah - December 10, 2021


ISLAM HONOURS WOMAN - FEMINIST LADY AMAZED


Episode Stats

Length

15 minutes

Words per Minute

216.60486

Word Count

3,349

Sentence Count

326

Misogynist Sentences

23

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the role of women in Islam and how they should be treated as human beings. We also talk about what it means to be a Muslim woman in today's society and why it is important to have respect for women.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 And let's just see what it says, and point to me at a verse.
00:00:40.960 Any verse.
00:00:47.040 Okay, so he said, my Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me.
00:00:55.040 And if you do not avert from me their plan, I might incline towards them and thus be of the ignorant.
00:01:00.960 So his Lord responded to him and averted from him their plan.
00:01:04.160 And indeed, he is all here and go now.
00:01:05.760 So this is Surah Yusuf.
00:01:08.480 So there's Prophet Yusuf, Joseph, peace be upon him.
00:01:11.600 So here, he was a very handsome man, he was a very very handsome man.
00:01:17.760 Thank you for your kind words.
00:01:19.440 Yeah, and so for example, a lot of women were after him.
00:01:23.280 So here, there's actually, there was the ruler, there was the Pharaoh and there was his minister.
00:01:29.760 And his minister, when he was a child, adopted him.
00:01:34.960 And when he did that, as he grew older, the minister's wife kind of fell in love with him.
00:01:40.240 And he was actually calling him to have sex with him.
00:01:45.200 And he's a prophet of God.
00:01:47.120 The thing is, he himself was basically, because he's a prophet of God, he didn't want that.
00:01:54.720 So basically, he was saying here, he's praying to God.
00:01:57.680 Oh God, protect me from these women.
00:02:00.000 Because they are calling me to something that I fear that if it isn't by your mercy, I might incline to it.
00:02:05.600 Yeah, so obviously he's not, but he just fears for himself.
00:02:08.960 So, he was imprisoned in the story.
00:02:12.080 And he prefers to be in prison, then be out where these women are hunting him down.
00:02:18.000 Yeah, so this is a bit...
00:02:20.000 I don't mean to laugh, I don't mean to laugh at that, I've been thinking today as well.
00:02:23.760 Exactly, but that's what I was going to refer to.
00:02:25.520 Because if you think about it, it's like every man's dream.
00:02:28.000 You know, all these women are after you.
00:02:29.440 But you see, as Muslims and Muslim men, we are told to honor people.
00:02:34.160 And especially women as well. What's your name, sister?
00:02:35.760 My name's Talia.
00:02:36.640 Talia, yeah. Okay, that's a very unique name.
00:02:38.400 So, sister Talia, what we're saying is that, the reason I refer to you as a sister,
00:02:42.640 is because I don't want you to think that I am flirting with you in any way or shape or form.
00:02:46.800 Because sometimes what happens is, sadly, I'm sure you've been cat-cooked.
00:02:51.840 I don't know, sexually harassed, I don't know.
00:02:53.840 So, the thing is, we live in a society where women are sexualized.
00:02:57.280 And that is sad. That shouldn't be the case.
00:02:59.520 So, as Muslim men, we are told to lower our gazes.
00:03:03.440 Meaning that, if we see something that, you know, like, obviously I'm talking to you,
00:03:07.440 I would like, I'm looking at you because I'm having a dialogue.
00:03:10.160 But for example, we are told to lower our gazes if we see the opposite gender.
00:03:13.920 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:14.480 It doesn't matter how they dress.
00:03:15.600 In a niqab, a baya or a bikini.
00:03:18.320 We have to lower our gazes.
00:03:19.680 The reason being is because we don't want to look at them as sexual objects.
00:03:23.040 They are human beings.
00:03:24.560 So, that's the reason why, for example, it's so important, like you said,
00:03:27.840 that in today's time, that's every man's dream.
00:03:29.840 But to him, it's like, I prefer to be locked up.
00:03:31.840 Now, those who obviously, we are human beings, we're Muslim men as well.
00:03:35.520 We should know better.
00:03:36.400 We can fall weak at times as well.
00:03:37.840 But the point is this, the default position is that we should have respect to every woman.
00:03:41.920 And that even, like, if we see a woman dressed inappropriately or whatever it be,
00:03:47.440 that we are told to lower our gazes and look away.
00:03:49.280 That's out of respect.
00:03:50.400 But today's time, a lot of women would see that as offensive.
00:03:52.640 Why is he not looking at me?
00:03:53.520 Am I ugly?
00:03:53.920 Is he not looking at me?
00:03:54.640 But that's sad.
00:03:55.280 That shouldn't be the case.
00:03:56.080 A lot of people claim that as Muslims or Islam is against women's rights, etc.
00:04:04.720 But Islam is the only religion that is there to honor women in a right way.
00:04:08.480 Because, for example, for example, sorry, sorry, yeah.
00:04:13.440 So, for example, one of the things is that when, for example, dating, we don't believe in dating.
00:04:19.280 Because we believe, I believe dating is the biggest fraud ever for women.
00:04:23.840 Because you've got a man that you're in a relationship with, you call him your boyfriend,
00:04:27.520 you have no idea what he wants from you.
00:04:29.360 But you are getting into this relationship with the hopes that, because obviously with a woman,
00:04:33.200 for you, obviously, you might be thinking, okay, I love him.
00:04:36.400 I want to spend the rest of my life with him.
00:04:38.000 But to him, it's just like, I want sex.
00:04:39.600 But you don't know that.
00:04:40.560 So, because you don't know that, you invest yourself in them emotionally and in different ways as well.
00:04:45.280 And then after that, you're heartbroken or used.
00:04:48.160 So, what Islam does is, in order to protect the woman, Islam says that there is no dating.
00:04:53.840 If, for example, I am interested in an individual, I have to go and speak to her dad.
00:05:00.160 That's the person.
00:05:00.880 I have to.
00:05:02.080 Because, number one, because that's her guardian.
00:05:05.200 So, I need to go and speak to her father and ask him.
00:05:07.760 Is it like a respect thing?
00:05:09.200 Yeah, 100%.
00:05:10.400 I think a lot of people see that as kind of like owning.
00:05:13.760 Exactly.
00:05:14.880 I don't quite like that, you know.
00:05:16.640 I don't like the thought of, you know, the possession whole part of it.
00:05:21.200 Well, exactly.
00:05:21.920 Some people see it as possession.
00:05:23.120 But what we see is as, it's my daughter.
00:05:26.080 Yeah.
00:05:26.320 And I want to protect my daughter.
00:05:27.520 Because there are men out there who are going to use and abuse them.
00:05:30.480 Yeah.
00:05:30.800 So, the thing is here, even though our society has made it an abnormal thing.
00:05:34.480 Yeah.
00:05:34.720 It's like, oh, I'm a woman.
00:05:35.600 I'm an independent.
00:05:36.320 Yeah.
00:05:37.120 Yes.
00:05:37.520 But the point is this.
00:05:38.800 For example, that your parent or like your dad or your brother is there to protect you.
00:05:44.640 Because they're a man and they know how a man is.
00:05:46.720 Yeah.
00:05:47.280 So, what...
00:05:47.600 Me, personally, I was raised by a single mother.
00:05:50.160 Okay.
00:05:50.720 So, you know, my mum had been quite a young age.
00:05:53.520 And so, I don't know my mother to call the father, personally.
00:05:56.960 So, I feel that, you know, my mum has done really quite a good job.
00:06:01.680 I'm sure she has.
00:06:02.640 Me and my siblings as well.
00:06:04.400 Yes.
00:06:04.880 So, when you say that kind of stuff, I'm...
00:06:07.200 Sorry, stuff.
00:06:07.840 Sorry.
00:06:08.080 That's right.
00:06:08.800 You know, it gives me a nice reminder that it's not specific, like you said, to one gender.
00:06:14.240 You know, it's very much, you know...
00:06:16.240 Yeah.
00:06:16.640 Again, diverse.
00:06:17.680 Yes.
00:06:18.080 You know, she is my protector.
00:06:20.880 She is mine.
00:06:21.520 Exactly.
00:06:21.920 You know, and it's...
00:06:22.640 It's really quite nice that it's not...
00:06:24.880 That is imagination.
00:06:25.840 How can I wear this?
00:06:26.960 With us, it's that these procedures are put in place to protect the well-being of the woman.
00:06:31.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:31.760 So, she's not emotionally manipulated and given false promises.
00:06:34.960 Yeah.
00:06:35.200 And then used and...
00:06:37.280 Because what happens is you see a lot of women who have been in a relationship.
00:06:40.400 Yeah.
00:06:40.720 And then it doesn't work out.
00:06:42.080 Now, in your mind, you're thinking, okay, I go into this relationship and he was my boyfriend.
00:06:45.600 Yeah.
00:06:45.680 But in his mind, he was there for you just for one thing.
00:06:48.160 Yeah.
00:06:48.480 And this reoccurring pattern puts you in an insecure position.
00:06:51.600 It would be wrong of me to assume that a gentleman was like that.
00:06:55.760 I personally don't have that mindset.
00:06:58.000 Exactly.
00:06:58.640 But not everyone is like you.
00:06:59.840 That's the thing.
00:07:00.320 Because you're good-hearted, you think everyone is like you.
00:07:03.280 But he's not.
00:07:04.480 They're not.
00:07:05.200 But that's the reason why Islam stipulated that if an individual is interested in you,
00:07:08.880 they should speak to your dad, number one.
00:07:10.160 Yeah.
00:07:10.400 Number two, that when you are getting to know him, there's a chaperone.
00:07:14.240 Yeah.
00:07:14.800 So, this is a chaperone that will be there in the dating process for you to get to know each other.
00:07:18.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:19.120 Now, this might be seen a bit like, come on, a chaperone hovering over me.
00:07:22.720 But the point is this.
00:07:23.680 It is there once again, because if a man is after the wrong things,
00:07:27.520 he knows your brother or your mother or your father is there.
00:07:30.560 And he's going to be thinking twice because he's going to agree that's the consequences if I do something wrong.
00:07:35.280 That's point number two.
00:07:36.320 Number three, if it comes to the point where marriage is going to happen, then you have a right to dowry.
00:07:41.920 So, the dowry is anything like gold, money.
00:07:45.360 You can say, look, I want you to buy me a car.
00:07:47.040 It's a very materialistic thing.
00:07:49.440 It is, but the point here is it's your security.
00:07:52.240 Because if a man has the intentions of wanting you for one thing,
00:07:55.760 even though he's met your dad and he doesn't care about that.
00:07:57.920 Now, financially, he knows, hold on a second, she's asking for gold.
00:08:01.760 It doesn't make you a gold digger.
00:08:02.880 I don't believe this concept.
00:08:03.920 It is your right to have something because it's your security.
00:08:06.880 If he decides to leave you, you have something to hold on to.
00:08:09.600 Because a lot of guys here in today's age, they're called deadbeat dads.
00:08:12.880 You know, they go and sleep around, leave and disappear.
00:08:15.520 And you're left in a financial insecurity.
00:08:17.600 So that is your security.
00:08:18.960 So what you ask for also prevents him from being after you for the wrong things.
00:08:23.840 Because if you come and say, I want £5,000, which is your right.
00:08:26.720 Nobody can ever call you a gold digger.
00:08:28.080 That is your right.
00:08:28.880 We believe in Islam.
00:08:30.080 That is your security.
00:08:30.880 So I know that, okay, I've spoken to the father.
00:08:33.680 I've got to know her from dates and her chaperone is there.
00:08:35.760 I'm okay with that.
00:08:36.640 She wants something, which if I really love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with,
00:08:39.600 I have no problem paying £5,000.
00:08:41.280 I'm so sorry.
00:08:41.840 If I love you and I want to be with you, I will pay that £5,000.
00:08:44.560 Now, then given that, then it's the what?
00:08:46.880 The marriage, the nikya, the marriage.
00:08:49.360 Now, with a marriage, in a relationship, sometimes it's something that is hidden.
00:08:54.320 But with a marriage, it's something that should be announced to the people.
00:08:57.360 Okay.
00:08:57.760 I am marrying this woman.
00:08:59.120 Yeah.
00:08:59.520 So it's not hidden.
00:09:00.320 And I really like that.
00:09:01.040 Exactly.
00:09:01.520 I believe that a lot more people should be open to, you know, just be like, look, I love this woman.
00:09:07.760 And it's okay to proclaim that.
00:09:09.680 It is okay to, you know, be open and honest.
00:09:11.920 And it doesn't end there though.
00:09:13.120 Because now once you're married, you have rights in marriage.
00:09:16.000 So he has a right to provide for you.
00:09:17.680 Not sharing the rent, you don't pay a single penny on the rent.
00:09:19.680 Really?
00:09:20.160 Yes.
00:09:20.480 You don't pay a single penny on the shopping.
00:09:22.240 He has to provide, but this is very interesting.
00:09:24.720 Because the reason why this is stipulated.
00:09:26.880 Can I quickly check if my sister's okay?
00:09:28.320 Yeah, I'm so sorry.
00:09:28.880 I'm so sorry.
00:09:29.360 Layla?
00:09:30.560 Are you okay?
00:09:32.000 Yeah?
00:09:32.400 I'm so sorry.
00:09:32.960 We're nearly done.
00:09:33.520 No, it's okay.
00:09:34.240 Honestly, she's absolutely fine.
00:09:36.080 Her name is Layla.
00:09:36.960 Layla, yeah.
00:09:38.400 Is she a Muslim?
00:09:39.360 No, she's not.
00:09:40.240 Layla, yeah.
00:09:41.200 Okay, no problem.
00:09:42.000 Do you mind me asking how it is on the flip side of men as well?
00:09:47.600 You know how in terms of, you know, you say that with women, I'm sorry, I can't get my words out.
00:09:56.240 No, it's okay.
00:09:56.800 Like what's the word?
00:09:58.400 So when you go to like, I don't want to say court, you know, you get in a relationship with a lady,
00:10:03.440 you want to go meet their family and all that stuff.
00:10:05.920 So what about a gentleman's perspective?
00:10:08.080 You know, like for example, I have my mother as my protector.
00:10:12.000 Okay, a man, a man.
00:10:13.040 In terms of a gentleman, how does it work for you?
00:10:15.280 A man doesn't need a guardian.
00:10:17.440 So a man, in that perspective, doesn't need a guardian.
00:10:20.240 So a man can choose to get married without his parents, yeah.
00:10:25.520 But then again, the reason might be because of that is because most of the time, men have the power.
00:10:30.960 In the context, if you're in a relationship, he can try to blackmail you.
00:10:34.400 He can try to force himself on you.
00:10:36.560 He can do all kinds of things, yeah.
00:10:38.480 That's the reason why you require a guardian, because in the sense, not that...
00:10:42.960 Look, I believe women are emotionally very strong.
00:10:46.160 We are physically strong, but women are emotionally very strong.
00:10:48.480 That's why we have higher suicide rates with men, yeah.
00:10:50.720 It is, it's a very powerful thing.
00:10:52.080 Especially raised by a single mother.
00:10:53.360 Exactly.
00:10:54.000 And single mothers, a lot of scholars in Islam, they had single mothers.
00:10:57.760 And I believe single mothers, I praise them a lot, because they are like mother and father.
00:11:01.040 If you play, like, if you look at it, they do an immense, amazing job.
00:11:04.160 You know, I'm sure your mother has to bring up a child like yourself.
00:11:06.400 So the thing is here, sister, is that that's the reason why it's stipulated for a woman,
00:11:10.400 because a woman can be overpowered, yeah, in different ways.
00:11:13.200 You know, there's revenge porn and all this kind of stuff.
00:11:15.680 So that's the reason why a guardian is required for a woman,
00:11:18.960 not because she is not capable in a certain, like, intellectual capacity in that way,
00:11:24.240 but it's there to protect you because there are men out there that can abuse you.
00:11:27.680 We know a lot of people that women get into sex trafficking, you know.
00:11:30.320 Why? Because this man has this, and if you don't do that, do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:34.000 It's there to protect you.
00:11:35.040 Yeah, I don't really want to see a gentleman as a predator, though.
00:11:38.640 Do you know what I mean?
00:11:40.080 No, no, no, we shouldn't.
00:11:40.800 I don't think the default position for us is to feel like that,
00:11:43.600 but then we have a reality to deal with.
00:11:44.960 Yeah, of course.
00:11:45.440 You know, we had, for example, Sarah Everard, what's the name of the one who got killed?
00:11:48.880 Yes, for example, yeah.
00:11:50.400 These cases happen, and it's a reality.
00:11:52.480 Even though we don't want to see it like that, and we shouldn't.
00:11:55.200 For example, I don't think, when you look at me, you're like a sexual predator,
00:11:58.080 you assume the best, which is good.
00:11:59.920 Exactly, that is good.
00:12:01.280 But also, it is your right to protect yourself.
00:12:03.760 Because putting your guards down, for example, could cost other things to happen.
00:12:08.640 So Islam's prevention is better than cure.
00:12:11.200 So it's got stipulations in place to protect the woman and her rights.
00:12:14.560 And I've really heard that.
00:12:15.440 Yes, and not to be, it used to be cared for, you know.
00:12:18.000 But some people take this and be like, oh, Islam makes a woman seem as if she can't.
00:12:21.520 No, Islam is there to protect the woman.
00:12:23.440 That's the reason why the guardianship from your dad goes to your husband.
00:12:27.040 Because now, let's say you marry someone and you're living together.
00:12:32.480 He's your guardian.
00:12:33.040 That's why I said he has to pay for the rent.
00:12:34.400 He has to provide for you.
00:12:35.360 You can work if you like as well, but you are in constant maintenance.
00:12:38.720 Yeah, and that is better.
00:12:40.160 A lot of people are like, oh no, I'm a feminist and this, that.
00:12:42.800 I believe there was a study done over 100,000 people in a matter of 25 years.
00:12:46.960 They found out that women are less happier in the workplace, you know.
00:12:50.640 And I'm not saying necessarily, this doesn't mean they shouldn't work.
00:12:52.880 But what we're seeing is, for example, this movement of, you know,
00:12:56.560 you have women who are in the business, workplace, 30, 40, no kids.
00:13:00.480 And they hit a rock bottom and they're like, well, what now?
00:13:03.520 I don't have a family.
00:13:04.720 I'm at an age where I don't know if I can have kids.
00:13:07.200 So what we're seeing is you can work.
00:13:09.280 But it is your husband's duty to provide and maintain.
00:13:11.680 That's what Allah says in the Quran.
00:13:12.960 Men are the maintainers and protectors of women.
00:13:15.280 So if I walk in with my wife and somebody puts a knife out,
00:13:18.240 I'm not going to say, darling, go do that.
00:13:20.240 I have to go and do what I'm saying.
00:13:22.400 If a war happens, we have to go and protect.
00:13:24.800 So we are there.
00:13:25.680 But this should be on it.
00:13:26.880 It shouldn't be seen as, you know, because we're trying to take care of women.
00:13:30.240 That's what I'm trying to point out, how Islam is women.
00:13:32.480 Yeah.
00:13:32.960 And I really like, I...
00:13:34.240 I'll give that to you as well.
00:13:34.960 Thank you so much.
00:13:35.920 I spoke to like a lot of my colleagues who are Muslim.
00:13:39.920 And it's really nice and respectful in terms of the hijab and the liqab as well.
00:13:44.560 And I understand that it's not necessarily something you have to wear.
00:13:49.120 Liqab, yeah.
00:13:49.760 There's a difference between you, but you don't have to.
00:13:50.720 Yeah, there's a difference between all of them.
00:13:52.320 Different, you know.
00:13:53.360 Let's check up on Layla.
00:13:54.480 Layla, are you okay?
00:13:55.600 You okay, baby?
00:13:56.400 We're nearly done.
00:13:58.000 You know, I find it really lovely that that's also breaking the stigma is, but, you know,
00:14:02.800 being open and honest.
00:14:03.680 Exactly.
00:14:04.640 I'm not really appreciative of what people are listening to me.
00:14:07.520 What else?
00:14:08.480 Can I give you a hug?
00:14:12.160 We don't hug opposite gender.
00:14:14.400 Can I shake your hand?
00:14:15.680 It's the same thing, out of respect.
00:14:17.680 But it's just because, you know, that we're opposite gender.
00:14:19.840 Yeah.
00:14:20.240 Out of respect, we don't hug or shake hands.
00:14:23.760 That's fine.
00:14:24.080 I prefer asking because you know it's the same.
00:14:26.000 I really appreciate that you asked, but it's genuinely, it's because, look, to us,
00:14:30.000 I know it sounds cliche, but every woman with respect, and to me, it's like, the way I honor
00:14:35.840 you is that I do not want to have any interaction in the context.
00:14:39.120 Why?
00:14:39.840 Because you know you have the total neutral of the Me Too movement, yeah?
00:14:42.080 Even in the workplace, making gestures of touching the knee, or this, that, etc.
00:14:46.560 Islam is prevention, then cure.
00:14:47.920 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:14:49.200 And I really love that.
00:14:50.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:51.120 It's not really much to be told too much.
00:14:52.560 Exactly.
00:14:52.960 I love the prevention, you know.
00:14:54.960 I really, really admire that.
00:14:56.160 Thank you, thank you very much.
00:14:57.200 It's genuinely out of respect that we have taught, and that's why you said to me sister,
00:15:00.880 and because of that.
00:15:01.440 So I don't want to-
00:15:02.000 Am I able to refer to you as a brother?
00:15:03.440 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:04.080 Yeah, yeah, please.
00:15:04.800 Yeah, yeah, please.
00:15:06.240 This is really lovely for you today, and it's actually nice to have a conversation, and not
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