Ali Dawah - December 10, 2021


ISLAM HONOURS WOMAN - FEMINIST LADY AMAZED


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15 minutes

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3,349

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326

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Misogyny

23

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Toxicity

8

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Hate speech

15

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In this episode, we talk about the role of women in Islam and how they should be treated as human beings. We also talk about what it means to be a Muslim woman in today's society and why it is important to have respect for women.

Transcript

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00:00:00.160 Islamnet is raising funds to establish a masjid and community centre in Norway.
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00:00:30.000 And let's just see what it says, and point to me at a verse.
00:00:40.960 Any verse.
00:00:47.040 Okay, so he said, my Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me. 0.84
00:00:55.040 And if you do not avert from me their plan, I might incline towards them and thus be of the ignorant.
00:01:00.960 So his Lord responded to him and averted from him their plan.
00:01:04.160 And indeed, he is all here and go now.
00:01:05.760 So this is Surah Yusuf.
00:01:08.480 So there's Prophet Yusuf, Joseph, peace be upon him.
00:01:11.600 So here, he was a very handsome man, he was a very very handsome man.
00:01:17.760 Thank you for your kind words.
00:01:19.440 Yeah, and so for example, a lot of women were after him. 0.96
00:01:23.280 So here, there's actually, there was the ruler, there was the Pharaoh and there was his minister.
00:01:29.760 And his minister, when he was a child, adopted him.
00:01:34.960 And when he did that, as he grew older, the minister's wife kind of fell in love with him. 0.98
00:01:40.240 And he was actually calling him to have sex with him. 0.97
00:01:45.200 And he's a prophet of God. 0.95
00:01:47.120 The thing is, he himself was basically, because he's a prophet of God, he didn't want that.
00:01:54.720 So basically, he was saying here, he's praying to God.
00:01:57.680 Oh God, protect me from these women. 1.00
00:02:00.000 Because they are calling me to something that I fear that if it isn't by your mercy, I might incline to it.
00:02:05.600 Yeah, so obviously he's not, but he just fears for himself.
00:02:08.960 So, he was imprisoned in the story.
00:02:12.080 And he prefers to be in prison, then be out where these women are hunting him down.
00:02:18.000 Yeah, so this is a bit...
00:02:20.000 I don't mean to laugh, I don't mean to laugh at that, I've been thinking today as well.
00:02:23.760 Exactly, but that's what I was going to refer to.
00:02:25.520 Because if you think about it, it's like every man's dream.
00:02:28.000 You know, all these women are after you. 1.00
00:02:29.440 But you see, as Muslims and Muslim men, we are told to honor people.
00:02:34.160 And especially women as well. What's your name, sister?
00:02:35.760 My name's Talia.
00:02:36.640 Talia, yeah. Okay, that's a very unique name.
00:02:38.400 So, sister Talia, what we're saying is that, the reason I refer to you as a sister,
00:02:42.640 is because I don't want you to think that I am flirting with you in any way or shape or form.
00:02:46.800 Because sometimes what happens is, sadly, I'm sure you've been cat-cooked.
00:02:51.840 I don't know, sexually harassed, I don't know.
00:02:53.840 So, the thing is, we live in a society where women are sexualized. 1.00
00:02:57.280 And that is sad. That shouldn't be the case.
00:02:59.520 So, as Muslim men, we are told to lower our gazes.
00:03:03.440 Meaning that, if we see something that, you know, like, obviously I'm talking to you,
00:03:07.440 I would like, I'm looking at you because I'm having a dialogue.
00:03:10.160 But for example, we are told to lower our gazes if we see the opposite gender.
00:03:13.920 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:14.480 It doesn't matter how they dress.
00:03:15.600 In a niqab, a baya or a bikini. 1.00
00:03:18.320 We have to lower our gazes.
00:03:19.680 The reason being is because we don't want to look at them as sexual objects.
00:03:23.040 They are human beings.
00:03:24.560 So, that's the reason why, for example, it's so important, like you said,
00:03:27.840 that in today's time, that's every man's dream.
00:03:29.840 But to him, it's like, I prefer to be locked up.
00:03:31.840 Now, those who obviously, we are human beings, we're Muslim men as well.
00:03:35.520 We should know better.
00:03:36.400 We can fall weak at times as well.
00:03:37.840 But the point is this, the default position is that we should have respect to every woman. 0.61
00:03:41.920 And that even, like, if we see a woman dressed inappropriately or whatever it be,
00:03:47.440 that we are told to lower our gazes and look away.
00:03:49.280 That's out of respect.
00:03:50.400 But today's time, a lot of women would see that as offensive. 1.00
00:03:52.640 Why is he not looking at me?
00:03:53.520 Am I ugly?
00:03:53.920 Is he not looking at me? 0.66
00:03:54.640 But that's sad.
00:03:55.280 That shouldn't be the case.
00:03:56.080 A lot of people claim that as Muslims or Islam is against women's rights, etc.
00:04:04.720 But Islam is the only religion that is there to honor women in a right way. 1.00
00:04:08.480 Because, for example, for example, sorry, sorry, yeah.
00:04:13.440 So, for example, one of the things is that when, for example, dating, we don't believe in dating.
00:04:19.280 Because we believe, I believe dating is the biggest fraud ever for women. 1.00
00:04:23.840 Because you've got a man that you're in a relationship with, you call him your boyfriend,
00:04:27.520 you have no idea what he wants from you.
00:04:29.360 But you are getting into this relationship with the hopes that, because obviously with a woman, 0.97
00:04:33.200 for you, obviously, you might be thinking, okay, I love him.
00:04:36.400 I want to spend the rest of my life with him. 0.98
00:04:38.000 But to him, it's just like, I want sex. 0.97
00:04:39.600 But you don't know that.
00:04:40.560 So, because you don't know that, you invest yourself in them emotionally and in different ways as well.
00:04:45.280 And then after that, you're heartbroken or used.
00:04:48.160 So, what Islam does is, in order to protect the woman, Islam says that there is no dating. 0.51
00:04:53.840 If, for example, I am interested in an individual, I have to go and speak to her dad.
00:05:00.160 That's the person.
00:05:00.880 I have to.
00:05:02.080 Because, number one, because that's her guardian.
00:05:05.200 So, I need to go and speak to her father and ask him.
00:05:07.760 Is it like a respect thing?
00:05:09.200 Yeah, 100%.
00:05:10.400 I think a lot of people see that as kind of like owning.
00:05:13.760 Exactly.
00:05:14.880 I don't quite like that, you know.
00:05:16.640 I don't like the thought of, you know, the possession whole part of it.
00:05:21.200 Well, exactly.
00:05:21.920 Some people see it as possession.
00:05:23.120 But what we see is as, it's my daughter.
00:05:26.080 Yeah.
00:05:26.320 And I want to protect my daughter.
00:05:27.520 Because there are men out there who are going to use and abuse them. 1.00
00:05:30.480 Yeah.
00:05:30.800 So, the thing is here, even though our society has made it an abnormal thing.
00:05:34.480 Yeah.
00:05:34.720 It's like, oh, I'm a woman.
00:05:35.600 I'm an independent.
00:05:36.320 Yeah.
00:05:37.120 Yes.
00:05:37.520 But the point is this.
00:05:38.800 For example, that your parent or like your dad or your brother is there to protect you.
00:05:44.640 Because they're a man and they know how a man is.
00:05:46.720 Yeah.
00:05:47.280 So, what...
00:05:47.600 Me, personally, I was raised by a single mother.
00:05:50.160 Okay.
00:05:50.720 So, you know, my mum had been quite a young age.
00:05:53.520 And so, I don't know my mother to call the father, personally.
00:05:56.960 So, I feel that, you know, my mum has done really quite a good job.
00:06:01.680 I'm sure she has.
00:06:02.640 Me and my siblings as well.
00:06:04.400 Yes.
00:06:04.880 So, when you say that kind of stuff, I'm...
00:06:07.200 Sorry, stuff.
00:06:07.840 Sorry.
00:06:08.080 That's right.
00:06:08.800 You know, it gives me a nice reminder that it's not specific, like you said, to one gender.
00:06:14.240 You know, it's very much, you know...
00:06:16.240 Yeah.
00:06:16.640 Again, diverse.
00:06:17.680 Yes.
00:06:18.080 You know, she is my protector.
00:06:20.880 She is mine.
00:06:21.520 Exactly.
00:06:21.920 You know, and it's...
00:06:22.640 It's really quite nice that it's not...
00:06:24.880 That is imagination.
00:06:25.840 How can I wear this?
00:06:26.960 With us, it's that these procedures are put in place to protect the well-being of the woman. 1.00
00:06:31.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:31.760 So, she's not emotionally manipulated and given false promises.
00:06:34.960 Yeah.
00:06:35.200 And then used and...
00:06:37.280 Because what happens is you see a lot of women who have been in a relationship. 0.92
00:06:40.400 Yeah.
00:06:40.720 And then it doesn't work out.
00:06:42.080 Now, in your mind, you're thinking, okay, I go into this relationship and he was my boyfriend.
00:06:45.600 Yeah.
00:06:45.680 But in his mind, he was there for you just for one thing.
00:06:48.160 Yeah.
00:06:48.480 And this reoccurring pattern puts you in an insecure position.
00:06:51.600 It would be wrong of me to assume that a gentleman was like that.
00:06:55.760 I personally don't have that mindset.
00:06:58.000 Exactly.
00:06:58.640 But not everyone is like you.
00:06:59.840 That's the thing.
00:07:00.320 Because you're good-hearted, you think everyone is like you.
00:07:03.280 But he's not.
00:07:04.480 They're not.
00:07:05.200 But that's the reason why Islam stipulated that if an individual is interested in you,
00:07:08.880 they should speak to your dad, number one.
00:07:10.160 Yeah.
00:07:10.400 Number two, that when you are getting to know him, there's a chaperone.
00:07:14.240 Yeah.
00:07:14.800 So, this is a chaperone that will be there in the dating process for you to get to know each other.
00:07:18.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:19.120 Now, this might be seen a bit like, come on, a chaperone hovering over me.
00:07:22.720 But the point is this.
00:07:23.680 It is there once again, because if a man is after the wrong things,
00:07:27.520 he knows your brother or your mother or your father is there.
00:07:30.560 And he's going to be thinking twice because he's going to agree that's the consequences if I do something wrong.
00:07:35.280 That's point number two.
00:07:36.320 Number three, if it comes to the point where marriage is going to happen, then you have a right to dowry. 0.90
00:07:41.920 So, the dowry is anything like gold, money.
00:07:45.360 You can say, look, I want you to buy me a car.
00:07:47.040 It's a very materialistic thing.
00:07:49.440 It is, but the point here is it's your security.
00:07:52.240 Because if a man has the intentions of wanting you for one thing,
00:07:55.760 even though he's met your dad and he doesn't care about that.
00:07:57.920 Now, financially, he knows, hold on a second, she's asking for gold.
00:08:01.760 It doesn't make you a gold digger.
00:08:02.880 I don't believe this concept.
00:08:03.920 It is your right to have something because it's your security.
00:08:06.880 If he decides to leave you, you have something to hold on to.
00:08:09.600 Because a lot of guys here in today's age, they're called deadbeat dads.
00:08:12.880 You know, they go and sleep around, leave and disappear.
00:08:15.520 And you're left in a financial insecurity.
00:08:17.600 So that is your security.
00:08:18.960 So what you ask for also prevents him from being after you for the wrong things.
00:08:23.840 Because if you come and say, I want £5,000, which is your right.
00:08:26.720 Nobody can ever call you a gold digger.
00:08:28.080 That is your right.
00:08:28.880 We believe in Islam.
00:08:30.080 That is your security.
00:08:30.880 So I know that, okay, I've spoken to the father.
00:08:33.680 I've got to know her from dates and her chaperone is there. 1.00
00:08:35.760 I'm okay with that.
00:08:36.640 She wants something, which if I really love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with,
00:08:39.600 I have no problem paying £5,000.
00:08:41.280 I'm so sorry.
00:08:41.840 If I love you and I want to be with you, I will pay that £5,000.
00:08:44.560 Now, then given that, then it's the what?
00:08:46.880 The marriage, the nikya, the marriage. 0.96
00:08:49.360 Now, with a marriage, in a relationship, sometimes it's something that is hidden.
00:08:54.320 But with a marriage, it's something that should be announced to the people.
00:08:57.360 Okay.
00:08:57.760 I am marrying this woman.
00:08:59.120 Yeah.
00:08:59.520 So it's not hidden.
00:09:00.320 And I really like that.
00:09:01.040 Exactly.
00:09:01.520 I believe that a lot more people should be open to, you know, just be like, look, I love this woman.
00:09:07.760 And it's okay to proclaim that.
00:09:09.680 It is okay to, you know, be open and honest.
00:09:11.920 And it doesn't end there though.
00:09:13.120 Because now once you're married, you have rights in marriage.
00:09:16.000 So he has a right to provide for you.
00:09:17.680 Not sharing the rent, you don't pay a single penny on the rent.
00:09:19.680 Really?
00:09:20.160 Yes.
00:09:20.480 You don't pay a single penny on the shopping.
00:09:22.240 He has to provide, but this is very interesting.
00:09:24.720 Because the reason why this is stipulated.
00:09:26.880 Can I quickly check if my sister's okay?
00:09:28.320 Yeah, I'm so sorry.
00:09:28.880 I'm so sorry.
00:09:29.360 Layla?
00:09:30.560 Are you okay?
00:09:32.000 Yeah?
00:09:32.400 I'm so sorry.
00:09:32.960 We're nearly done.
00:09:33.520 No, it's okay.
00:09:34.240 Honestly, she's absolutely fine.
00:09:36.080 Her name is Layla.
00:09:36.960 Layla, yeah.
00:09:38.400 Is she a Muslim?
00:09:39.360 No, she's not.
00:09:40.240 Layla, yeah.
00:09:41.200 Okay, no problem.
00:09:42.000 Do you mind me asking how it is on the flip side of men as well?
00:09:47.600 You know how in terms of, you know, you say that with women, I'm sorry, I can't get my words out.
00:09:56.240 No, it's okay.
00:09:56.800 Like what's the word?
00:09:58.400 So when you go to like, I don't want to say court, you know, you get in a relationship with a lady,
00:10:03.440 you want to go meet their family and all that stuff.
00:10:05.920 So what about a gentleman's perspective?
00:10:08.080 You know, like for example, I have my mother as my protector.
00:10:12.000 Okay, a man, a man.
00:10:13.040 In terms of a gentleman, how does it work for you?
00:10:15.280 A man doesn't need a guardian.
00:10:17.440 So a man, in that perspective, doesn't need a guardian.
00:10:20.240 So a man can choose to get married without his parents, yeah.
00:10:25.520 But then again, the reason might be because of that is because most of the time, men have the power.
00:10:30.960 In the context, if you're in a relationship, he can try to blackmail you.
00:10:34.400 He can try to force himself on you.
00:10:36.560 He can do all kinds of things, yeah.
00:10:38.480 That's the reason why you require a guardian, because in the sense, not that...
00:10:42.960 Look, I believe women are emotionally very strong.
00:10:46.160 We are physically strong, but women are emotionally very strong.
00:10:48.480 That's why we have higher suicide rates with men, yeah.
00:10:50.720 It is, it's a very powerful thing.
00:10:52.080 Especially raised by a single mother. 0.98
00:10:53.360 Exactly.
00:10:54.000 And single mothers, a lot of scholars in Islam, they had single mothers.
00:10:57.760 And I believe single mothers, I praise them a lot, because they are like mother and father.
00:11:01.040 If you play, like, if you look at it, they do an immense, amazing job.
00:11:04.160 You know, I'm sure your mother has to bring up a child like yourself.
00:11:06.400 So the thing is here, sister, is that that's the reason why it's stipulated for a woman, 0.98
00:11:10.400 because a woman can be overpowered, yeah, in different ways. 0.99
00:11:13.200 You know, there's revenge porn and all this kind of stuff.
00:11:15.680 So that's the reason why a guardian is required for a woman, 1.00
00:11:18.960 not because she is not capable in a certain, like, intellectual capacity in that way,
00:11:24.240 but it's there to protect you because there are men out there that can abuse you.
00:11:27.680 We know a lot of people that women get into sex trafficking, you know.
00:11:30.320 Why? Because this man has this, and if you don't do that, do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:34.000 It's there to protect you.
00:11:35.040 Yeah, I don't really want to see a gentleman as a predator, though.
00:11:38.640 Do you know what I mean?
00:11:40.080 No, no, no, we shouldn't.
00:11:40.800 I don't think the default position for us is to feel like that,
00:11:43.600 but then we have a reality to deal with.
00:11:44.960 Yeah, of course.
00:11:45.440 You know, we had, for example, Sarah Everard, what's the name of the one who got killed?
00:11:48.880 Yes, for example, yeah.
00:11:50.400 These cases happen, and it's a reality.
00:11:52.480 Even though we don't want to see it like that, and we shouldn't.
00:11:55.200 For example, I don't think, when you look at me, you're like a sexual predator,
00:11:58.080 you assume the best, which is good. 0.94
00:11:59.920 Exactly, that is good.
00:12:01.280 But also, it is your right to protect yourself.
00:12:03.760 Because putting your guards down, for example, could cost other things to happen.
00:12:08.640 So Islam's prevention is better than cure. 1.00
00:12:11.200 So it's got stipulations in place to protect the woman and her rights. 1.00
00:12:14.560 And I've really heard that.
00:12:15.440 Yes, and not to be, it used to be cared for, you know.
00:12:18.000 But some people take this and be like, oh, Islam makes a woman seem as if she can't. 0.90
00:12:21.520 No, Islam is there to protect the woman. 1.00
00:12:23.440 That's the reason why the guardianship from your dad goes to your husband.
00:12:27.040 Because now, let's say you marry someone and you're living together.
00:12:32.480 He's your guardian.
00:12:33.040 That's why I said he has to pay for the rent.
00:12:34.400 He has to provide for you.
00:12:35.360 You can work if you like as well, but you are in constant maintenance.
00:12:38.720 Yeah, and that is better.
00:12:40.160 A lot of people are like, oh no, I'm a feminist and this, that. 1.00
00:12:42.800 I believe there was a study done over 100,000 people in a matter of 25 years.
00:12:46.960 They found out that women are less happier in the workplace, you know. 0.86
00:12:50.640 And I'm not saying necessarily, this doesn't mean they shouldn't work.
00:12:52.880 But what we're seeing is, for example, this movement of, you know,
00:12:56.560 you have women who are in the business, workplace, 30, 40, no kids. 1.00
00:13:00.480 And they hit a rock bottom and they're like, well, what now?
00:13:03.520 I don't have a family.
00:13:04.720 I'm at an age where I don't know if I can have kids.
00:13:07.200 So what we're seeing is you can work.
00:13:09.280 But it is your husband's duty to provide and maintain.
00:13:11.680 That's what Allah says in the Quran.
00:13:12.960 Men are the maintainers and protectors of women. 1.00
00:13:15.280 So if I walk in with my wife and somebody puts a knife out,
00:13:18.240 I'm not going to say, darling, go do that.
00:13:20.240 I have to go and do what I'm saying.
00:13:22.400 If a war happens, we have to go and protect.
00:13:24.800 So we are there.
00:13:25.680 But this should be on it.
00:13:26.880 It shouldn't be seen as, you know, because we're trying to take care of women. 0.99
00:13:30.240 That's what I'm trying to point out, how Islam is women. 1.00
00:13:32.480 Yeah.
00:13:32.960 And I really like, I...
00:13:34.240 I'll give that to you as well.
00:13:34.960 Thank you so much.
00:13:35.920 I spoke to like a lot of my colleagues who are Muslim.
00:13:39.920 And it's really nice and respectful in terms of the hijab and the liqab as well.
00:13:44.560 And I understand that it's not necessarily something you have to wear.
00:13:49.120 Liqab, yeah.
00:13:49.760 There's a difference between you, but you don't have to.
00:13:50.720 Yeah, there's a difference between all of them.
00:13:52.320 Different, you know.
00:13:53.360 Let's check up on Layla. 0.97
00:13:54.480 Layla, are you okay?
00:13:55.600 You okay, baby?
00:13:56.400 We're nearly done.
00:13:58.000 You know, I find it really lovely that that's also breaking the stigma is, but, you know,
00:14:02.800 being open and honest.
00:14:03.680 Exactly.
00:14:04.640 I'm not really appreciative of what people are listening to me.
00:14:07.520 What else?
00:14:08.480 Can I give you a hug?
00:14:12.160 We don't hug opposite gender.
00:14:14.400 Can I shake your hand?
00:14:15.680 It's the same thing, out of respect.
00:14:17.680 But it's just because, you know, that we're opposite gender.
00:14:19.840 Yeah.
00:14:20.240 Out of respect, we don't hug or shake hands.
00:14:23.760 That's fine.
00:14:24.080 I prefer asking because you know it's the same.
00:14:26.000 I really appreciate that you asked, but it's genuinely, it's because, look, to us,
00:14:30.000 I know it sounds cliche, but every woman with respect, and to me, it's like, the way I honor
00:14:35.840 you is that I do not want to have any interaction in the context.
00:14:39.120 Why?
00:14:39.840 Because you know you have the total neutral of the Me Too movement, yeah?
00:14:42.080 Even in the workplace, making gestures of touching the knee, or this, that, etc.
00:14:46.560 Islam is prevention, then cure. 1.00
00:14:47.920 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:14:49.200 And I really love that.
00:14:50.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:51.120 It's not really much to be told too much.
00:14:52.560 Exactly.
00:14:52.960 I love the prevention, you know.
00:14:54.960 I really, really admire that.
00:14:56.160 Thank you, thank you very much.
00:14:57.200 It's genuinely out of respect that we have taught, and that's why you said to me sister,
00:15:00.880 and because of that.
00:15:01.440 So I don't want to-
00:15:02.000 Am I able to refer to you as a brother?
00:15:03.440 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:04.080 Yeah, yeah, please.
00:15:04.800 Yeah, yeah, please.
00:15:06.240 This is really lovely for you today, and it's actually nice to have a conversation, and not
00:15:10.960 I want about what?
00:15:13.440 Islamnet is raising funds to establish a masjid and community centre in Norway.
00:15:17.280 Every person who prays there, every kid that learns about Islam, every youngster that memorises the Quran,
00:15:22.480 all of this and so much more can be on your scale of good deeds.
00:15:25.920 Click the link and donate what you can.