Ali Dawah - September 19, 2016ISLAM OR SIKHISM？ ALI DAWAH & SIKHI ｜｜ SPEAKERS CORNER
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Summary
In this episode, we have a discussion about the origin of the truth and how it came from the Quran and why it has been corrupted since the beginning of time. We also talk about how the truth came to Islam and why we believe it is the true truth.
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I think the main thing is this, yeah, is that if we look into it, I'm really sorry, the thing is because we're going back and forth, the main thing we do is very simple, we talk with the Christians as well, we go to the scriptures, we go to the Quran, we go to your religious scriptures, if the scriptures, if we can prove that the Quran is from Allah, the matter of Tawheed, what you say, oh is this right or wrong, we take it all, like for example, if I prove to you the Quran is from Allah, you can't pick and choose what you like, whatever I show to you, and I say for example Tawheed is worshipping Allah in his powers and everything that he does, singling out Allah in worship, his name is an attribute,
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when we go to the scriptures, and if I prove to you, my scripture is correct, you can't say, and same with you, same with you, yeah?
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Ali, sorry because I know your name, yeah, you can't, I don't know your name, what's your name? Jagraj, how do you say your name? Jagraj, like a jag and then the raj. Jagraj, I like it, I like it.
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Alright, so look, I don't know, what's your name?
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Well, let me just explain something to you, right?
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...is that you were talking about how come it came later and not at the beginning.
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But in a way, many Muslims are kind of making a very similar argument that...
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And it may be that you say, oh no, no, that's not true, but it's another way.
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But it's a very similar argument that the truth came with the Prophet Mohammed because everybody else was corrupted.
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Because you said all the other scriptures got corrupted, but they had the truth.
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We, hold on, because at the beginning of Guru Granth Sajjid, because you seem to have read Ajuni, right?
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Saj means truth, which is at the beginning, at the beginning of time.
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Sikhi is such as well, at the beginning of time.
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And then, at the time, when time started, then Sikhi was also true.
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And then now it's true, and forever it will be true.
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A Sikh believes that the Sikh view was true from the beginning.
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Only thing is, some people did have access to that truth.
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For example, I'll give you an example of a guy that found the truth.
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Unfortunately for Mansoor, he stood up one day, opened up his jacket and he goes,
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He opened his jacket and he goes, I am one with the truth.
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He got killed in a very terrible way by the Islamic terrorists at that time.
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They chopped him into pieces for saying that he is the truth.
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So it's not that we're saying that we're the only ones that found it.
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We're just saying that the Guru gave it in a perfect way.
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Are you saying why did the truth, if it was there from the beginning,
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why did it come like 1600 years ago as the Quran?
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So what I'm trying to say is Islam has been there from day one.
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That's why when we say Jesus was a Muslim, the Christians get confused.
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They're like, what do you mean he was a Muslim?
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The one who submits his will to God is a Muslim.
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Because Jesus says in the scripture, I don't see nothing for myself.
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And with some of the prophets and messengers, he gave them scriptures.
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Those scriptures were meant for those people at that time.
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So what happened is, once a scripture came, it would prophesied...
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So the prophet comes, the messenger comes with a scripture.
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For those specific times, because if God Almighty finished in his plan,
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there was other prophets that were going to come.
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So for example, with the Old Testament, the Old Testament was given to Moses,
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And it was prophesied of another prophet that will come.
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That's why it's frustrating you, because I know what you're going to say.
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Maybe you've seen it, but other people haven't.
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So, when those scriptures came down, it wasn't meant to be preserved.
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It talked about another prophet that will come.
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When Jesus came, the ones who follow the scriptures correctly said,
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And Jesus said, I have many things to say unto you,
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The Quran is the only scripture where God Almighty said,
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the final messengers come, we have the Old Testament,
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So the Quran is the seal that says everything that...
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Obviously, Ali, you know that I don't agree with you.
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If your scripture is true, I'm ready to accept and follow you.
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If my scripture is true and I have evidence based on that,
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In the native title, how you would actually say it.
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Faith is more beloved to me than religion or something like that.
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A lot of people make up quotes and they stick...
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It's a nice meme, you know, stick it up online.
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Again, like what you said earlier, it's going to go nowhere.
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Allah says in the Quran, there is no compulsion of religion.
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And I've also heard a lot of speeches by Muslim scholars.
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And the thing is, for me, it doesn't fulfill the requirements of truth.
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But that was what I was talking to all that time with our man Hamza.
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Is that the reason I believe in that truth is because of all the things that I've experienced
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Okay, but what I'm trying to say is, look, I believe...
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Why I chose Islam is because I believe if there is a Creator,
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if the Creator has sent down a scripture, this scripture should not be altered with.
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If you believe Allah says in the Quran, if this book was not other than from your Lord,
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you will find many discrepancies and contradictions in it.
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I challenge you to find me a single contradiction, a single error in the Quran that has been changed.
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Because let's listen to the Prophet as well, yeah?
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The second point Allah says in the Quran that He challenges the disbelievers and says,
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Like if you think this one from God Almighty, it's good.
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It's like me coming and saying, I will knock out anyone here.
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So, and if I go, if you say to me, Ali, that guy, boom, I knock him out.
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But the thing is, yeah, Ali, is that there are people out there that have actually come
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There's a website dedicated to showmeaverselikeit.com.
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And it's actually a whole website dedicated to showing verses like the Quran.
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But the thing is, who is going to be the guy that decides that, oh no, this verse has
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Ali, if we found you a verse like that, would you leave Islam?
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Allah said, look in the Quran, speak the truth even if it's against yourself.
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If you bring me evidence, if I'm truthful and I'm looking for the truth, I'm on camera,
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And everybody in the village at night has a realization of who they were in their past
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Where everybody suddenly realizes who they were in their past life.
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So at that moment, effectively, they'd have to leave Islam.
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And what they say is that you see, many people in this world have actually experienced
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The thing is, you know, there's also confirmation bias.
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That somebody who's not going to believe something, it doesn't matter what happens to
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We're talking about your scripture and my scripture.
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Can I tell you the difference between our argument and your argument?
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The main difference is that we aim to offer proofs and evidences, whereas you're saying
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Anybody sitting here watching right now can agree that I never said just believe.
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No, I said it's experience is what drives the belief.
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Hamza, that it's subjective only when you're an individual.
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When you can take it generalized, then it becomes subjective.
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What's your evidence that your scriptures are true?
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They never get confused for three and a half years.
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So I'm telling you, what is the criteria for you?
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Listen, if you spent three and a half years making arguments.
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I'm asking you, what is your evidence to your scripture being from God?
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I'm seeing challenge the historical miracle, the linguistic miracle,
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Whether you like it or not, this is my challenge to you.
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If I met someone who was really fit at running, yeah?
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I've trained these hundred people for five years, yeah?
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Then one guy comes along and trains one guy, right?
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Then that guy becomes faster than everybody else in that whole group.
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He goes, it's because of that guy, the trainer.
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So then, what will make those people, the hundred people,
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I want to go and try what that guy is training.
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Believe in him for the fact that they made him faster
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Which is what I've been saying to you from the very beginning.
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we experience God in the way that he's describing,
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that I've actually made this point a few times.
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