JEW ACCEPTS PROPHET MUHAMED MESSAGE - SPEAKERS CORNER
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In this episode, we talk about the similarities and differences between the concept of God in Judaism and Islam, and how they are similar and different from each other. We also discuss the difference between the concepts of the Torah and the Torah in Judaism, and the Quran and the Sunnah in Islam.
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If we prove to you the Prophet Muhammad is a final messenger, would you accept it?
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So would you denounce Judaism and become Muslim?
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Isn't it? The children of Israel come to God, get closer to God through a Gentile prophet.
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In advance, half past, I've got to go to synagogue.
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What we wanted to know is your concept of God in Judaism.
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And we wanted to tell you guys about what's our concept of God in Islam.
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And we wanted to talk about maybe the differences or the commonalities.
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I think that Judaism and Islam have a very, very similar concept of God.
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We believe that the one God is indivisible, unlike the Christians who say that it's divisible
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We believe that he's not made up of parts, as do you.
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We believe that God is above our understanding, that he is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
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We believe he created the whole universe and everything in it.
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We believe that nothing exists without God allowing it to be.
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We believe that God revealed himself to three million people at Mount Sinai and gave us the
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And he spoke to various prophets over the years.
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And he gave us a written and an oral law at Sinai.
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You know, when you say that, it reminds me of, for example, there's books that we study
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There's Akid al-Tahawiyah and Akid al-Wasatiyah.
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So these are books that tells us the doctrine of Islam, who God is.
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Like for example, we single out God in his Lordship and we single him out in his worship
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So when you were speaking, it was reminding me of the things that we studied, the things
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that we went through, because you said a lot of stuff.
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So for example, you do not, you reject the concept of the Trinity.
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So when you're talking, it reminds me of Islam.
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Come to common terms with the people of the book that we worship no other than God.
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It seems like we are both coming to good terms of worshiping God alone.
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You said one statement, I just wanted to clarify.
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You said that God revealed himself to three million Israelites.
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So what that means is that God made some sort of speech.
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We're not sure what it means when God speaks, but it means something.
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We're not sure what God speaking actually sounds like.
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That's interesting because we believe God speaks.
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And we believe the Quran is his word, uncreated word.
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So what we believe is that whenever, whenever the Torah talks about God in physical terms,
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like he speaks or he has a hand or he regrets or anything like that,
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it's really an anthropomorphism because we can't understand God in any way.
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Um, and, and therefore the only way we can understand him is through human terms.
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So when you say, for example, when God speaks or for example, God, we believe, for example,
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So for example, we have certain groups in Islam who deny this concept.
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Which we believe that it's a whole different topic.
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People say that God has a hand the way it befits his majesty.
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But a lot of them, what happens is they use their mind over the text.
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So we say, look, if the Quran and the Sunnah, if Allah affirms himself, himself and his attributes to us,
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We say God has a hand the way it befits his majesty.
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But what happens is certain fractions, groups in Islam, they say, oh, if God has a hand,
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If there were some brothers here, they'll say you're a Salafi.
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You're on the right thing, ideology regarding creed.
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And that's important because we go back to how the Sahaba, the Salaf understood it.
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And we say, look, we go with what they're saying.
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So when you smirked, I find it very interesting because he was like, come on, you even know that when God Almighty has a speech,
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and for example, his hand or his shin, it's the way.
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So we affirm, we affirm that he does, but the way it befits his majesty.
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Because when you said he revealed himself, the three million Israelites, I wanted to know what you mean by revealed.
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So, so far, it seems like we have a lot of commonalities.
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We have two different religions for one reason.
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And the reason is because we believe that at Sinai, there was given not only a written law, but an oral law, which told you how to interpret it.
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And because you don't believe that, you don't believe that the prophet Malachi was the last of the prophets,
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and you believe that the prophets could continue after that.
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Whereas we have an oral tradition that was passed down, that Malachi was the last prophet, and therefore we can't accept any prophets after him.
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So far, like, also one thing I just want to clarify as well.
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Do you believe that God rested on the seventh day?
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In an anthropomorphized way, in a way that befits his majesty, as you would say?
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We, we believe that, for example, we have something called Ayatul Qursi.
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For example, let me get you the translation, and we'll read it.
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Because it's very important when it comes to this matter of...
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Let me get you it, because I want to read it for you.
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Because it's very important it touches on this topic, yeah?
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And tell me if you relate with this as a Jewish person, yeah?
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Allah, God, there is no God but He, the living, the sustaining, neither dozing off, tiredness overtakes Him, nor sleep.
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To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth, all that is on the earth, who can intercede with Him without His permission.
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He knows what is before them and what is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He wills.
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His Qursi, chair, extends to the heavens and the earth, and it does not worry Him to look after them.
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So here, there's something that says in the beginning, He does not get tired.
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So now, even though you're saying that He sleeps but not...
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Behold, the guardian of Israel does not sleep and does not slumber.
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And yet, we know in Genesis that He did something on the seventh day which was called rest.
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We don't know what that means because, of course, it's anthropomorphism.
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We're ascribing physical attributes to God even though we know that He's not physical.
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So what God's rest is, it's not the same as what our rest is.
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Okay, so in the same way that God's speech is not the same as our speech.
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And the way God exists is not the way we exist.
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When He said He rested, can we say that God willed certain things but on the seventh day
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Because God is above our understanding, I don't know what it actually means when it says
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I know that it says that God ceased from doing on the seventh day.
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All we can do is relate to the anthropomorphism that is being said.
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So, so far we can say that we both believe in the good oneness of God.
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We do not, we deny the whole trinity, the whole worshipping.
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Now, as Muslims, where do we stand in your religion?
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And also the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
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So, the, so in our, so we, one of our great rabbis was called the Rambam, known in English
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Uh, he was, uh, he was a, he was a rabbi who was, grew up in Spain and had to move,
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um, um, to, um, to, um, to, uh, uh, ha, yes.
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And had to move to Morocco and then eventually Egypt and then Israel.
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And he said that the, that, that those who follow the Nazarene, i.e. the Christians, and
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those who follow the, the madman, which is how he referred to Muhammad, because he thought,
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Um, uh, uh, have, have the, have been sent to this world by God to spread the principle
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So we believe that you have a very important purpose in this world, that you are, that,
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I mean, you went to India, you went to Africa and you, and you turned all these pagans into
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So then how can prophet Muhammad be classified as mad when he's rid the, a lot of nations of
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Because, because we believe that he was a false prophet.
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We believe that, that, that, that God did not actually speak to him.
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We believe that because, that because the Quran contradicts the Torah, that therefore the,
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But we do believe that the message of Muhammad is a true message.
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Do you believe that the prophet Muhammad is a prophet for the Gentiles?
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There was one rabbi who wrote it in his book, but he lived at a time when Jews were being
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So I don't think we can take what he says at face value.
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If, if it's true what you're saying that they were persecuted, because a lot of Jews did
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live in harmony in Muslim lands where they were suffering persecution.
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If we prove to you that the prophet Muhammad is a final messenger, would you accept it?
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So would you denounce Judaism and become Muslim?
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So that shows your honesty and that's, that's, that's good.
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What kind of proof would you require in order to, um, to like for us to show you that the
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prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was just a fulfilling the message of Moses and, uh,
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Um, so what evidence would you require that would get you thinking?
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We as Jews, as I said, believe that our ancestors had this mass revelation, 3 million people
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We were given the oral Torah and the written Torah.
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And the oral Torah said that the last Gentile prophet was Bilam.
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It's brought in and mentioned in the book of Numbers.
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Um, so the oral Torah, he says that after his death, prophecy left the Gentiles.
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And the rabbis said that after Malachi, after the prophet Malachi, Malachi, prophecy left
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Now, unless you can prove to me that our oral law is wrong, then I would not believe that
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Because Islam can only be true if prophecy had not left Bilam.
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Now, there is an additional point that I would not believe Islam unless you also show to me
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Because the Quran and the written Torah disagree on, I mean, I've found the list of our five
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But those five points are enough to say that one of them, they contradict each other.
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So unless you were to tell, prove to me that the written and oral Torahs are both not true,
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So you did say that the last Gentile prophet was Bilam.
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So does that, you need to accept that God sent prophets that were Gentiles?
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So now, can God send another prophet who was a Gentile?
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Because the children of Israel broke their covenant with him.
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And therefore, God Almighty chose from the line of Ibrahim's two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
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And in the line of Isaac, we affirm those prophets.
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And then what happened is because you broke the covenant with God, God as a punishment,
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chose the prophet Muhammad who was, because you said that there was Gentile prophets before.
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So what happened is in the lineage of Ishmael, which prophet Muhammad's lineage goes to,
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is that he was the final prophet who came to affirm to the Jews and to the Christians and to the whole world,
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that he is the final messenger, because he comes with the law.
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Now, you said that there's five things that disagree with the Torah from the Quran.
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The thing is, God Almighty, it's not that God changes his mind.
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It's that God, when God sends laws and sanctions, he does it to test people.
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So, God might say, for example, that in the Old Testament, you're not allowed to eat Camel.
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Okay, so when I confronted the black Israelites about four or five years ago,
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which they believe you guys are fake and thus vice versa.
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When I confronted them, they said, oh no, Islam is false, because we are told that we could...
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Okay, three minutes left. Three minutes left, but we can continue next week.
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So the thing is, they said no, because in our book says you can't eat Camel meat.
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In your book, not in the book, in the Sunnah, it says that you can.
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Yeah, so the thing is that, if God Almighty sent down prophets that were Gentiles,
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if the children of Israel broke the covenant, for God to punish them,
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if you think it logically, sends another prophet, is that not plausible?
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To say that prophecy has left the Gentiles, and then to go back on that,
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Okay, no, but the thing is, if the children of Israel have broke the covenant with him,
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God said that even if we break the covenant, he will not abandon us.
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It says in Deuteronomy 30, if we return to God, then God will accept us back.
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Can you turn back to God via a new prophet from the Gentiles,
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who is from the lineage of Ibrahim , the prophet Abraham,
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They rejected the prophet because they were waiting in those lands for the final prophet to come.
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Well, they were waiting for the final prophet, or the Euclidean Messiah, to come.
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And they knew the prophet like they knew the back of their hand.
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The only reason they rejected him is because he's not a Jew.
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Because they had a right, they had an opportunity to correct their affairs with God
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by following a messenger, even if he's a Gentile.
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Because to say, oh no, he has to be an Israelite, is asking God to pick and choose.
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Could the children of Israel come to God, get closer to God through a Gentile prophet?
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Because they don't believe he's a true prophet.
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If they knew he was and they rejected him, is that right or wrong?
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If they had known he was a true prophet, then they would be wrong to go against him.
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But I don't believe they knew that he was a true prophet because I believe it was a false prophet.
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He had to go to the synagogue, which is understandable.
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It's very important for us to have a dialogue and discussion with Christians, Jews.
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And it's very important that Josh is a nice gentleman.
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He believes that the prophet is a false prophet.
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But alhamdulillah, we know he's the true prophet alhamdulillah.
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But obviously, him stating that, he's stating that because he's not aware.
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And that's what we're trying to convey inshallah.
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And he did say, if he is, he would accept him inshallah.
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So yeah, he expressed himself and we are different.
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So brothers and sisters, to next time inshallah.
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Come visit us if you have any questions or answers for both Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, whatever you name it.
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As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.