Ali Dawah - October 17, 2017


JEW & MUSLIM QUESTION CHRISTIANS - GOD OR MAN？


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Why do you believe God is a man? Why do you think God can become a man ? How can an all-powerful being become limited in a man What does the Torah say about God being a man and why does the Quran affirm it?

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00:00:24.000 Anyways, me and David as a Jew, we have a question.
00:00:29.000 We don't believe God can become a man.
00:00:31.000 So the question that is proposed to you from us, the Jews and the Muslims, is what makes
00:00:37.000 you believe God is a man?
00:00:38.000 Where is your evidence that God is a man?
00:00:40.000 How could the ultimate powerful being become limited in a man?
00:00:45.000 Are you limiting God?
00:00:47.000 Are you?
00:00:48.000 Okay, you know what?
00:00:49.000 David, you jump in as well, yeah?
00:00:50.000 Okay, thank you.
00:00:51.000 You're going to need your help in a way.
00:00:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:53.000 I think you're going to need your help.
00:00:54.000 Okay, good, good.
00:00:55.000 No problem.
00:00:56.000 Okay, so you can help him out.
00:00:57.000 So, go on, yeah.
00:00:58.000 So, you're saying, yeah.
00:00:59.000 Are you finished or?
00:01:00.000 I already finished.
00:01:01.000 I finished.
00:01:02.000 I finished.
00:01:03.000 Okay.
00:01:04.000 So, the reason, so the first thing you ask me is why do I believe that?
00:01:08.000 Yeah.
00:01:09.000 Okay.
00:01:10.000 Several reasons.
00:01:11.000 Okay.
00:01:12.000 First of all, it's clear in our scriptures.
00:01:14.000 Okay.
00:01:15.000 Like Jesus, Jesus Christ, God incarnate in the flesh.
00:01:19.000 Yes.
00:01:20.000 How's that part of that?
00:01:21.000 Brother, did you see me cut him off?
00:01:22.000 Okay.
00:01:23.000 Okay.
00:01:24.000 Okay.
00:01:25.000 Sorry.
00:01:26.000 All right.
00:01:27.000 So, in our scriptures, it's very, very clear.
00:01:28.000 Our scriptures are historical.
00:01:29.000 We have a lot of information that...
00:01:32.000 Speak out of it.
00:01:33.000 On top of it, bro.
00:01:34.000 Let me talk one way.
00:01:35.000 Brother, brother.
00:01:36.000 This is...
00:01:37.000 Bring your camera closer if you want to hear.
00:01:38.000 Take it easy.
00:01:39.000 Okay.
00:01:40.000 Take it easy, brother.
00:01:41.000 The other thing is, your Quran affirms our scriptures.
00:01:43.000 Yes.
00:01:44.000 It affirms the Injil. 1.00
00:01:45.000 I'll just do that as an answer.
00:01:46.000 And it affirms the Torah. 0.90
00:01:48.000 Okay.
00:01:49.000 According to the Injil.
00:01:50.000 Okay.
00:01:51.000 It speaks about Jesus Christ.
00:01:53.000 Or the gospel.
00:01:54.000 In English.
00:01:55.000 It speaks about Jesus Christ being God.
00:01:58.000 And it also speaks about him being a man as well.
00:02:02.000 Does that make sense to you?
00:02:04.000 No.
00:02:05.000 Okay.
00:02:06.000 It doesn't make sense to me at all.
00:02:07.000 Because I asked me and David.
00:02:08.000 Does your Quran confirm the Injil? 1.00
00:02:10.000 No, it doesn't.
00:02:11.000 What do you mean confirm?
00:02:12.000 What do you mean confirm?
00:02:13.000 What do you mean confirm?
00:02:14.000 And what are we talking about confirm?
00:02:15.000 Because now you've changed the topic.
00:02:17.000 We talked about...
00:02:18.000 Me and David came and said...
00:02:19.000 How God can be man.
00:02:20.000 Yes.
00:02:21.000 That was the question.
00:02:22.000 Exactly.
00:02:23.000 We're going to talk about your scriptures.
00:02:24.000 Next question.
00:02:25.000 Exactly.
00:02:26.000 So let's deal with the first question.
00:02:27.000 So I didn't cut you.
00:02:28.000 Don't cut me off here.
00:02:29.000 The first question was this.
00:02:30.000 Me and David, a Muslim and a Jew, came and asked our Christian friends, the people of
00:02:35.000 the book, a question.
00:02:36.000 Why do you believe God is a man?
00:02:38.000 How can an all-powerful being become limited?
00:02:42.000 Is he all-powerful and all-knowing?
00:02:44.000 These are the questions I want to ask first.
00:02:46.000 Is God all-powerful or all-knowing?
00:02:47.000 Is God all-powerful or all-knowing?
00:02:48.000 Yeah.
00:02:49.000 Well, yeah.
00:02:50.000 We believe that God is all-powerful or all-knowing.
00:02:52.000 But the question you initially asked is why do I believe that?
00:02:56.000 Okay?
00:02:57.000 So I give you several reasons.
00:02:58.000 The first reason is clear in our scriptures that Jesus Christ is both God and man.
00:03:04.000 That's number one.
00:03:05.000 Number two, according to the Quran, it affirms our scriptures.
00:03:11.000 Now, if you don't, and therefore, if it affirms our scriptures, you should believe what I believe.
00:03:17.000 Now, if you're saying that your Quran doesn't affirm the Injil, or affirm the Torah,
00:03:23.000 Okay?
00:03:24.000 Then you have to show me evidence your Quran. 0.98
00:03:27.000 Okay.
00:03:28.000 According to Muhammad, according to Allah, they didn't have any problems.
00:03:31.000 They did not say that the Injil was corrupted.
00:03:33.000 Okay.
00:03:34.000 And they never said the Torah is corrupted.
00:03:35.000 No, no, no.
00:03:36.000 They said in many places.
00:03:37.000 So you should believe you've forgotten God.
00:03:38.000 I have a question for you.
00:03:39.000 You should believe that.
00:03:40.000 Okay.
00:03:41.000 Can we answer?
00:03:42.000 Can we answer?
00:03:43.000 Okay.
00:03:44.000 So, do you believe that or should I show you the text?
00:03:45.000 No, that's not true.
00:03:46.000 Okay, should I show you the text?
00:03:47.000 No, no, no.
00:03:48.000 You're diverted from the topic again.
00:03:49.000 Godwin, let me ask you a question.
00:03:50.000 Your answer to his question was that in the Quran, it confirms it.
00:03:54.000 What's your answer to me?
00:03:56.000 I am hold of the Quran.
00:03:57.000 Yes.
00:03:58.000 What's your answer to him?
00:03:59.000 What's my answer to you?
00:04:00.000 All right.
00:04:01.000 Yes.
00:04:02.000 Ah.
00:04:03.000 So, your religion caters for Muslims, we have this book.
00:04:05.000 Yes.
00:04:06.000 Jewish, this book.
00:04:07.000 Yes.
00:04:08.000 Buddhist, this book.
00:04:09.000 We go for everyone a different book.
00:04:10.000 Yes.
00:04:11.000 Do you read the Quran?
00:04:12.000 Yes.
00:04:13.000 No, no, that's me.
00:04:14.000 No, but is that your holy book?
00:04:15.000 No.
00:04:16.000 The Old Testament.
00:04:17.000 I'm Jewish.
00:04:18.000 So, you said the Torah.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, he said the Torah.
00:04:20.000 But your answer was for someone for the Quran.
00:04:21.000 David, can I say something?
00:04:22.000 Sorry, forgive me.
00:04:23.000 I just want to say something.
00:04:24.000 Can I say something just quickly, yeah?
00:04:25.000 This is going to get really interesting here, yeah?
00:04:27.000 You pose a question to me in my religious scripture, it doesn't say God can be a man.
00:04:30.000 In the Old Testament or the Tanakh, anyway, does it say God can be a man?
00:04:33.000 No, it doesn't.
00:04:34.000 We both reject that.
00:04:35.000 Now, as a Muslim, one second. 1.00
00:04:36.000 No.
00:04:37.000 You haven't read Genesis 33 then.
00:04:38.000 That's the problem.
00:04:39.000 You can corrupt any holy book as you like, but you can corrupt it as much as you like.
00:04:47.000 What does Genesis say?
00:04:48.000 There's no way.
00:04:49.000 Where does Genesis say?
00:04:50.000 You know what?
00:04:51.000 I don't know it by heart.
00:04:52.000 It doesn't say nothing about God being a man.
00:04:53.000 So, you don't know it by heart.
00:04:54.000 I read it.
00:04:55.000 I'm not talking.
00:04:56.000 You know all the scriptures by heart.
00:04:57.000 Who did Abraham mean?
00:04:58.000 Who did Abraham mean?
00:04:59.000 Who did Abraham mean?
00:05:00.000 Who did Abraham mean?
00:05:01.000 Okay.
00:05:02.000 Three angels.
00:05:03.000 Okay.
00:05:04.000 So, what was that?
00:05:05.000 Okay.
00:05:06.000 Let's go into the scripture.
00:05:07.000 Quickly, quickly, quickly.
00:05:08.000 Change it quickly.
00:05:09.000 And you better upload this.
00:05:10.000 You put yourself on the hotspot, my friend.
00:05:12.000 Nah, nah, nah, nah. 0.83
00:05:13.000 Deal with the Muslims, but you put yourself on the hotspot. 1.00
00:05:14.000 Nah, nah, nah, nah.
00:05:15.000 Deal with your argument first.
00:05:16.000 I asked a question.
00:05:17.000 Is God powerful and is God unknowing?
00:05:20.000 Is God unknowing?
00:05:21.000 Why would you do this?
00:05:22.000 Why are you doing this to yourself?
00:05:23.000 That's why I said.
00:05:24.000 Why are you doing this to yourself?
00:05:25.000 Do this to yourself?
00:05:26.000 You don't believe in Allah.
00:05:27.000 Nah, listen.
00:05:28.000 Listen.
00:05:29.000 Listen.
00:05:30.000 Listen.
00:05:31.000 We have some agreements that you don't mess up.
00:05:33.000 Yes.
00:05:34.000 That's it.
00:05:35.000 That's our agreement.
00:05:36.000 Yes.
00:05:37.000 Can we shake on that?
00:05:38.000 We don't agree.
00:05:39.000 Now, now.
00:05:40.000 Is God all powerful unknowing?
00:05:43.000 Is God all powerful unknowing?
00:05:44.000 Okay.
00:05:45.000 So, what I'm saying is this.
00:05:46.000 Is that who did Abraham meet?
00:05:48.000 Irrelevant.
00:05:49.000 You're changing the topic.
00:05:50.000 No, no, no.
00:05:51.000 Baba.
00:05:52.000 He's changing the topic.
00:05:53.000 Baba, Baba, Baba.
00:05:54.000 No, no.
00:05:55.000 Let him meet you.
00:05:56.000 He's addressing my question.
00:05:57.000 Where's your question?
00:05:58.000 Is God unpowerful unknowing?
00:05:59.000 Can God become a man?
00:06:00.000 Can God become a man?
00:06:01.000 Yes.
00:06:02.000 Can God become a man?
00:06:03.000 Yes.
00:06:04.000 He said no.
00:06:05.000 So, one thing to you is.
00:06:06.000 You said that he met three who?
00:06:07.000 Angels and God appeared.
00:06:08.000 Three angels.
00:06:09.000 Okay.
00:06:10.000 So, should we look at that?
00:06:11.000 Should we look at the...
00:06:12.000 Yeah.
00:06:13.000 So, I need to get at the Bible.
00:06:14.000 God appeared.
00:06:15.000 Let's look.
00:06:16.000 God appeared does not mean to you the way you do.
00:06:19.000 Exactly.
00:06:20.000 As I was saying to someone before.
00:06:21.000 Yes.
00:06:22.000 God in his ultimate wisdom.
00:06:23.000 You understand what God means and the appearance of God.
00:06:25.000 You can't comprehend it.
00:06:26.000 God has blessed us with a comprehensive.
00:06:27.000 You can't comprehend it.
00:06:28.000 Yes.
00:06:29.000 You are trying to understand God in the human context.
00:06:31.000 Exactly.
00:06:32.000 So, God appears must be a person.
00:06:33.000 Yes.
00:06:34.000 Exactly.
00:06:35.000 God, to understand...
00:06:36.000 To understand God, you need to comprehend what God says.
00:06:41.000 Yes.
00:06:42.000 You don't have the wisdom for it.
00:06:43.000 Yes.
00:06:44.000 Yes.
00:06:45.000 And we want an understanding, a commentary from scholars, not you.
00:06:47.000 This is the only way you can witness debate.
00:06:49.000 Nah, nah, nah.
00:06:50.000 You can get a truth to help you out.
00:06:51.000 Listen, listen.
00:06:52.000 We want this.
00:06:53.000 We want this.
00:06:54.000 One of us said it's a we.
00:06:55.000 This guy, he's pushing him so much to laugh.
00:06:57.000 You're going to hurt your lungs.
00:06:58.000 It's true though. 0.96
00:06:59.000 You're going to hurt your lungs.
00:07:00.000 It's true though. 0.96
00:07:01.000 It's true though. 0.96
00:07:02.000 It speaks about the Lord spoke to Abraham.
00:07:04.000 Yeah.
00:07:05.000 Okay.
00:07:06.000 Now you have to look it up.
00:07:07.000 The Lord spoke to Moses.
00:07:08.000 Yeah.
00:07:09.000 What's your point?
00:07:10.000 You said it was three people, right?
00:07:11.000 Three people that came.
00:07:12.000 Three angels came as well.
00:07:13.000 Okay.
00:07:14.000 Right.
00:07:15.000 Right.
00:07:16.000 But if you look at the word Lord, the word is Yahweh.
00:07:18.000 And Yahweh is the name of God.
00:07:21.000 Would you agree with that or no?
00:07:22.000 No, because Yahweh is in Arabic.
00:07:24.000 The Old Testament.
00:07:25.000 Yahweh is not Arabic.
00:07:26.000 Yahweh is not. 1.00
00:07:27.000 It's Yahweh Arabic.
00:07:28.000 I don't know.
00:07:29.000 Yahweh is not Arabic.
00:07:30.000 Yahweh is not Arabic.
00:07:31.000 You're obviously pronouncing it wrong.
00:07:33.000 Yahweh is Arabic.
00:07:34.000 Okay.
00:07:35.000 What's the name of God?
00:07:36.000 What's the name of God?
00:07:37.000 God has many names.
00:07:38.000 Wow.
00:07:39.000 Is this who you brought me to?
00:07:40.000 Yes.
00:07:41.000 I got you.
00:07:42.000 I'll wait for you to answer.
00:07:43.000 Okay.
00:07:44.000 I'll wait for you to answer.
00:07:45.000 When God introduced himself to Moses, what did he say his name was?
00:07:51.000 You must know this.
00:07:52.000 This is basic.
00:07:53.000 Basic.
00:07:54.000 Basic stuff.
00:07:55.000 Basic.
00:07:56.000 Answer.
00:07:57.000 I told you before I don't know scripture but listen you asked me what God's name was
00:08:05.220 I told you I think because they may be in Christianity based on things
00:08:09.600 but in Judaism I don't know what the Hebrew ones are called Elohim
00:08:15.600 no it's not
00:08:17.600 God introduced himself with a specific name
00:08:23.600 which I don't remember
00:08:25.600 ok so the name is
00:08:27.600 what about Eli Eli
00:08:29.600 why did Jesus say Eli Eli
00:08:31.600 the name was Yahweh
00:08:33.600 I'm giving you some information
00:08:35.600 so God was literally incarnated
00:08:37.600 nah
00:08:39.600 let me speak
00:08:41.600 I'll prove it you
00:08:43.600 because it says later on in the old bible
00:08:45.600 it says later on in the bible
00:08:47.600 when Moses I don't know it
00:08:49.600 because I was trying to prove right
00:08:51.600 with the Muslims and Christians you do what we don't 1.00
00:08:53.600 you base a lot on reciting scripture
00:08:55.600 us as Jews don't base a lot on the actual
00:08:57.600 reciting scripture we know where it is
00:08:59.600 because let me explain
00:09:01.600 can I make my point
00:09:03.600 wait
00:09:05.600 Godwin those remarks don't help you
00:09:07.600 I'm saying I'm not going to accept you
00:09:09.600 you're not going to accept me
00:09:11.600 he's not going to accept my scripture 0.90
00:09:13.600 so one second
00:09:15.600 this is going to be very simple
00:09:16.600 what do we all agree on
00:09:17.600 can we all agree on
00:09:19.600 the fundamental
00:09:20.600 this is going to give you a headache
00:09:21.600 because you're not going to like it
00:09:23.600 can we all agree that there is a universal understanding of God Almighty
00:09:26.600 he is the most powerful
00:09:28.600 he is the most knowing
00:09:29.600 can the most powerful
00:09:31.600 one second
00:09:32.600 because we can speak about scripture all day all night
00:09:34.600 you say something I don't agree
00:09:35.600 I'll say something you don't agree
00:09:36.600 he will say something we both don't agree
00:09:38.600 now universally is God's most powerful
00:09:41.600 do we agree God's most powerful
00:09:43.600 there you go
00:09:44.600 answer the question
00:09:45.600 answer the question
00:09:46.600 I will go back in a second
00:09:47.600 answer the question
00:09:48.600 don't let him
00:09:49.600 David don't let him
00:09:50.600 don't let him
00:09:51.600 David
00:09:52.600 I'm asking a question
00:09:53.600 I'm asking
00:09:54.600 wait wait
00:09:55.600 would you answer the question in due time
00:09:56.600 answer the question
00:09:57.600 no problem
00:09:58.600 so go continue
00:09:59.600 I'll let him answer you soon
00:10:00.600 the question is this
00:10:01.600 and I'm not going to move from this point
00:10:02.600 no no no
00:10:03.600 let him find some way out of this mess
00:10:05.600 okay
00:10:06.600 you said
00:10:07.600 how from God be a man
00:10:08.600 okay
00:10:09.600 and I've given you a text
00:10:10.600 you don't even know the name of your God
00:10:11.600 number one
00:10:12.600 I do know it
00:10:13.600 he's diverting
00:10:14.600 he's diverting
00:10:15.600 he's diverting
00:10:16.600 you just said you don't know
00:10:17.600 and I went to
00:10:18.600 what is the name of God
00:10:19.600 what is the name of God
00:10:20.600 irrelevant
00:10:21.600 what is the name of God
00:10:22.600 I can't pronounce
00:10:23.600 you're not allowed to pronounce it
00:10:24.600 you're not allowed to pronounce it
00:10:25.600 exactly
00:10:26.600 the name of God
00:10:27.600 you're not
00:10:28.600 it says in the Old Testament
00:10:29.600 which you use
00:10:30.600 you do not use the name of God in vain
00:10:32.600 you obviously don't hold of that
00:10:34.600 David ask him
00:10:35.600 is God powerful
00:10:36.600 don't run away Godwin
00:10:37.600 Godwin don't run away
00:10:39.600 is God powerful
00:10:40.600 God says you can only use his name
00:10:41.600 David
00:10:42.600 this is in vain
00:10:43.600 as we're saying
00:10:44.600 this is God's rule
00:10:45.600 you may not like it or not
00:10:46.600 but what are you saying
00:10:47.600 is he powerful
00:10:48.600 it's God
00:10:49.600 ask David
00:10:50.600 is God powerful
00:10:51.600 where it is in your scripture
00:10:52.600 I haven't gone to the New Testament
00:10:53.600 I'm talking about your Tanakh 0.98
00:10:54.600 yeah
00:10:55.600 go for it
00:10:56.600 so your Tanakh
00:10:57.600 we're talking about the book of Exodus 3
00:10:58.600 how he's dodging it
00:10:59.600 how he's dodging it
00:11:00.600 Exodus 3
00:11:02.600 we're gonna come back
00:11:04.600 when Moses
00:11:05.600 yeah
00:11:06.600 God gave his personal name to Moses
00:11:09.600 yeah
00:11:10.600 okay
00:11:11.600 so we know God's personal name
00:11:12.600 yes
00:11:13.600 can we agree on that
00:11:14.600 yeah we can agree on that
00:11:15.600 now we're speaking also
00:11:16.600 about when Abraham met
00:11:18.600 yeah
00:11:19.600 okay
00:11:20.600 when he met those three
00:11:21.600 you said just angels
00:11:22.600 and God was with them
00:11:23.600 no God was not with them
00:11:24.600 okay sorry
00:11:25.600 they came together
00:11:26.600 so when he said Lord
00:11:27.600 they were outside
00:11:28.600 God and Abraham was inside 0.72
00:11:29.600 okay
00:11:30.600 can you bring out that scripture
00:11:31.600 I don't have
00:11:32.600 sorry
00:11:33.600 don't walk out a scripture
00:11:34.600 guys
00:11:35.600 what did I say
00:11:36.600 we would all disagree on scripture
00:11:37.600 let's talk
00:11:38.600 why are you avoiding this
00:11:39.600 Godwin
00:11:40.600 why are you avoiding this
00:11:41.600 what did I say
00:11:42.600 you wouldn't agree with the Quran 1.00
00:11:43.600 he wouldn't agree with the Quran 1.00
00:11:44.600 no
00:11:45.600 you're running away
00:11:46.600 is God all powerful
00:11:48.600 is God all powerful
00:11:49.600 Ali
00:11:50.600 please answer
00:11:51.600 what did you say in the beginning
00:11:52.600 is God all powerful
00:11:53.600 can God become a man
00:11:54.600 wait
00:11:55.600 let's go to what you said in the beginning
00:11:56.600 can God become a man
00:11:57.600 yes
00:11:58.600 why was he trying to explain to him in the Torah
00:11:59.600 no
00:12:00.600 you understand
00:12:01.600 why was he trying to explain to him in the Torah
00:12:02.600 no no
00:12:03.600 can God become a man
00:12:04.600 did God become a man
00:12:05.600 yes
00:12:06.600 we're dealing with your question here
00:12:07.600 we're not moving away
00:12:08.600 no no no
00:12:09.600 but let me tell you something
00:12:10.600 why are you acting as if we're moving away
00:12:11.600 no no I never said you did
00:12:12.600 I said
00:12:13.600 you said you're evading the question
00:12:14.600 can I answer
00:12:15.600 okay
00:12:16.600 are you gonna agree
00:12:17.600 with him
00:12:18.600 is he gonna agree with you
00:12:19.600 are you both gonna agree with me
00:12:20.600 none of us are
00:12:21.600 we are gonna agree
00:12:22.600 no
00:12:23.600 Ali Ali
00:12:24.600 we believe
00:12:25.600 we
00:12:26.600 he believes in the Torah
00:12:27.600 okay
00:12:28.600 we believe in the Torah
00:12:29.600 that's what we're discussing
00:12:30.600 so we are going to agree on that
00:12:31.600 according to your Quran
00:12:32.600 and according to your Quran
00:12:33.600 you believe in the Torah
00:12:34.600 no no to you
00:12:35.600 so
00:12:36.600 is God
00:12:37.600 according to their Quran
00:12:38.600 is God
00:12:39.600 you're supposed to believe in your Torah as well
00:12:40.600 no no no no
00:12:41.600 do you know that
00:12:42.600 is God the all powerful
00:12:43.600 are you gonna add something here
00:12:44.600 you're just gonna say something
00:12:45.600 do you even know that
00:12:46.600 is God the all powerful
00:12:47.600 ask him is God the all powerful
00:12:49.600 do you believe from Genesis
00:12:50.600 or to Malachi
00:12:51.600 do you believe that
00:12:52.600 Genesis to where
00:12:53.600 to Malachi
00:12:54.600 do you know these books
00:12:55.600 I do but I don't know the English Tom
00:12:56.600 I don't know the English
00:12:57.600 exactly
00:12:58.600 I learned them in the Holy
00:12:59.600 do you know your scriptures
00:13:00.600 you learn
00:13:01.600 what you read
00:13:02.600 which Bible do you read
00:13:03.600 which Bible do you read
00:13:04.600 answer my question
00:13:05.600 are you gonna answer my question
00:13:07.600 answer my question
00:13:08.600 answer my question
00:13:09.600 he wouldn't
00:13:10.600 he wouldn't
00:13:11.600 which Bible do you read
00:13:12.600 Kim, James
00:13:13.600 all of your Bibles
00:13:14.600 are not in the original text
00:13:15.600 you're talking about versions
00:13:16.600 you see I learned the Bible
00:13:17.600 what we call the Torah
00:13:18.600 in the original text
00:13:19.600 so do the Muslims 1.00
00:13:20.600 they learn what they believe
00:13:21.600 in the original text
00:13:22.600 you lot run around
00:13:23.600 in translation
00:13:24.600 alright
00:13:25.600 translation
00:13:26.600 I learned the Quran
00:13:27.600 in the original language
00:13:28.600 in the ancient Hebrew language
00:13:30.600 he learns the Quran
00:13:31.600 in Arabic
00:13:32.600 whatever language it is
00:13:33.600 you learn the Bible
00:13:34.600 in English
00:13:35.600 you see
00:13:36.600 forget who's right or wrong
00:13:37.600 for a second
00:13:38.600 but this one sounds more sensible
00:13:39.600 when we learn something
00:13:40.600 in the original text
00:13:41.600 we're more likely to get it true
00:13:42.600 you lot
00:13:43.600 learn it translated 1.00
00:13:44.600 by this idiot 1.00
00:13:45.600 this guy 1.00
00:13:46.100 this guy
00:13:47.100 King James changed it to his Bible
00:13:48.100 yes
00:13:49.100 he changed it to this
00:13:50.100 thank you
00:13:51.100 when you learn something
00:13:52.100 in the original context
00:13:53.100 it may be a lie
00:13:54.100 but it's the original lie
00:13:55.100 you lot 1.00
00:13:56.100 have got every idiot 1.00
00:13:57.100 that's translated 1.00
00:13:58.100 his extras
00:13:59.100 so you want to tell me
00:14:00.100 your book is true
00:14:02.100 when you have to last 600 years 1.00
00:14:04.100 every idiot 1.00
00:14:05.100 that needs to change it 1.00
00:14:06.100 new Bible
00:14:07.100 my one
00:14:08.100 this one
00:14:09.100 we have the Quran
00:14:10.100 they have the Quran
00:14:11.100 we have the Quran
00:14:12.100 everyone can walk
00:14:13.100 in the original language
00:14:14.100 anyone can walk
00:14:15.100 the Quran
00:14:16.100 David
00:14:17.100 would you allow me
00:14:18.100 to deal with this
00:14:19.100 no no
00:14:20.100 I need to
00:14:22.100 what language
00:14:23.100 what language
00:14:24.100 did you learn the Bible in
00:14:25.100 answer my question
00:14:26.100 in English
00:14:27.100 how was it revealed
00:14:28.100 you don't know your Taner
00:14:29.100 you don't even know it
00:14:30.100 who's the name of God
00:14:31.100 what's the name of God
00:14:32.100 you don't even know
00:14:33.100 you don't know the name of God
00:14:35.100 what
00:14:36.100 I know the name of God
00:14:37.100 David
00:14:38.100 can I say something
00:14:39.100 David they've done a good job
00:14:40.100 diverted the topic
00:14:41.100 let's come back
00:14:42.100 let's come back
00:14:43.100 can I ask
00:14:44.100 is God or powerful
00:14:46.100 is God or powerful
00:14:47.100 is God or powerful
00:14:48.100 is God or powerful
00:14:49.100 so let's go back
00:14:50.100 hold it up
00:14:51.100 hold the camera up
00:14:52.100 is God or powerful
00:14:53.100 Godwin is God or powerful
00:14:54.100 David
00:14:55.100 would you allow me to talk
00:14:56.100 okay
00:14:57.100 I'm here
00:14:58.100 the wrong question
00:14:59.100 I'm a brother now
00:15:00.100 is God or powerful
00:15:02.100 no no that's this
00:15:03.100 Godwin I'm here
00:15:04.100 I'm here
00:15:05.100 what happened here
00:15:06.100 I wanted to be valid
00:15:07.100 Godwin
00:15:09.100 is God or powerful
00:15:10.100 Godwin
00:15:11.100 Godwin
00:15:12.100 Godwin
00:15:13.100 Godwin
00:15:14.100 Godwin
00:15:15.100 Godwin
00:15:16.100 Godwin
00:15:17.100 Godwin
00:15:18.100 Godwin is God or powerful
00:15:19.100 Godwin is God or powerful
00:15:20.100 is God or powerful
00:15:21.100 thank you
00:15:22.100 David
00:15:23.100 as you can see guys
00:15:24.100 look how he's avoiding me
00:15:25.100 I won't get him after he finished his speech.
00:15:27.100 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:28.100 The question I'm asking.
00:15:29.100 He's not going to finish.
00:15:30.100 He's asking, trust me.
00:15:31.100 The person who Abraham approached at the tent of Mamre was not the Lord. 0.51
00:15:36.100 You already discussed this.
00:15:37.100 Abraham did not approach the Lord, no.
00:15:38.100 Okay.
00:15:39.100 So can we look into that scripture?
00:15:40.100 Go for it.
00:15:41.100 Alright, let me just quickly find it.
00:15:42.100 Why did you stand with the church?
00:15:44.100 No.
00:15:45.100 Why did you stand with the church?
00:15:46.100 Who was God?
00:15:47.100 I don't want it.
00:15:48.100 So you're allowed in the mosque.
00:15:49.100 According to who did you stand with the church?
00:15:52.100 Every orthodox Jew.
00:15:53.100 Sorry?
00:15:54.100 Every orthodox Jew.
00:15:55.100 I do have Jews coming to my church.
00:15:57.100 Alright, and I have Muslims that eat Haram. 1.00
00:15:59.100 What's your point? 0.93
00:16:00.100 But you said Jews are not allowed in the church.
00:16:01.100 That was a good point.
00:16:02.100 That was a good point.
00:16:03.100 That was a good point.
00:16:04.100 That was a good point.
00:16:05.100 I asked a question.
00:16:06.100 We're going to read out scripture.
00:16:07.100 I said it's very powerful.
00:16:09.100 Are you bringing the scripture in English or in Hebrew?
00:16:12.100 In English?
00:16:13.100 This is my point from beforehand.
00:16:14.100 I have mother.
00:16:15.100 You want to hear it in Hebrew?
00:16:16.100 I do.
00:16:17.100 I learned the scripture.
00:16:18.100 Let me speak.
00:16:19.100 Wait, wait, wait.
00:16:20.100 How can you calm yourself down when you say God is a man?
00:16:23.100 How do you ask him to calm yourself down?
00:16:24.100 You're going to bring me scripture in English.
00:16:25.100 We're going to bring out the scripture.
00:16:26.100 In what language?
00:16:27.100 In both English and Hebrew.
00:16:28.100 Bring the Hebrew. 0.99
00:16:29.100 Hebrew.
00:16:30.100 So we're going to bring the English and we're going to give the translation to Hebrew.
00:16:31.100 Okay?
00:16:32.100 Bring the Hebrew. 0.99
00:16:33.100 Bring the Hebrew. 0.99
00:16:34.100 All right.
00:16:35.100 You see, this is my point from previous.
00:16:36.100 Let me see.
00:16:37.100 My point from previous.
00:16:38.100 You learn the scripture in a different language than it was written.
00:16:39.100 Yes.
00:16:40.100 Forget which is true.
00:16:41.100 From common sense, if we learn it in the original language, it's more likely to be true.
00:16:46.100 We both learn our scriptures in the original language.
00:16:47.100 You, on the other hand, learn it in a language that is new.
00:16:48.100 So it's English.
00:16:49.100 So that's another thing we have in common here.
00:16:50.100 So people can change it.
00:16:51.100 It means there's no way to verify it.
00:16:52.100 Because you have a King James Bible.
00:16:53.100 I bring a rational thought.
00:16:54.100 You can say we're different.
00:16:55.100 But with Jews, we all have the same scriptures.
00:16:56.100 Okay.
00:16:57.100 So David, we have something in common.
00:16:58.100 We both believe God is not a man.
00:16:59.100 And we both have our own scriptures in our own language.
00:17:00.100 Exactly.
00:17:01.100 Yes.
00:17:02.100 Uncle, are you Jewish?
00:17:03.100 Yes.
00:17:04.100 Okay.
00:17:05.100 All right.
00:17:06.100 I've met you before.
00:17:07.100 Welcome to the club.
00:17:08.100 Okay.
00:17:09.100 So you as well, you don't believe God is not a man.
00:17:11.100 You don't believe God is not a man.
00:17:12.100 Yes.
00:17:13.100 Yes.
00:17:14.100 Yes.
00:17:15.100 Yes.
00:17:16.100 Yes.
00:17:17.100 Yes.
00:17:18.100 Yes.
00:17:19.100 Yes.
00:17:20.100 Yes.
00:17:21.100 Yes.
00:17:22.100 Yes.
00:17:23.100 Yes.
00:17:24.100 Yes.
00:17:25.100 Yes.
00:17:26.100 Yes.
00:17:27.100 Yes.
00:17:28.100 Yes.
00:17:29.100 Yes.
00:17:30.100 Yes.
00:17:31.100 Yes.
00:17:32.100 Yes.
00:17:33.100 Yes.
00:17:34.100 Yes.
00:17:35.100 Yes.
00:17:36.100 Yes.
00:17:37.100 So as Jewish Jews and Muslims, we both agree that God cannot be a man.
00:17:40.100 Yes.
00:17:41.100 So we are asking our Christian friends with two Jewish brothers here.
00:17:44.100 And as a Muslim, why do you believe God is a man?
00:17:47.100 I asked the question.
00:17:48.100 I asked the question.
00:17:49.100 I asked the question.
00:17:50.100 God is all powerful.
00:17:52.100 But he's not answering me.
00:17:54.100 He does.
00:17:55.100 He knows it from the original language.
00:17:57.100 You rely on translation.
00:17:58.100 He doesn't.
00:17:59.100 Yes.
00:18:00.100 We must be reading.
00:18:01.100 Yes.
00:18:02.100 Good.
00:18:03.100 Yes.
00:18:04.100 Yes.
00:18:05.100 Yes.
00:18:06.100 Yes.
00:18:07.100 Yes.
00:18:08.100 Yes.
00:18:09.100 Yes.
00:18:10.100 You've got the Hebrew and you've got the English, okay?
00:18:13.100 Just in case, right.
00:18:14.100 So it says the Lord, which is Yahweh, right? 0.93
00:18:16.100 Can we agree on that so far?
00:18:18.100 The Lord unto him and appeared.
00:18:23.100 So the Lord appeared unto him, okay?
00:18:26.100 Right.
00:18:27.100 No, that doesn't mean that.
00:18:29.100 Oh, oh.
00:18:30.100 Brother, no.
00:18:31.100 Brother, no, you don't know.
00:18:33.100 I'm reading. 0.97
00:18:35.100 We've only done one line and you're sick.
00:18:37.100 Because that's what Christian is all about. 1.00
00:18:39.100 You take good blood and you mess it up in your own carpet.
00:18:43.100 Can I say something?
00:18:44.100 Can I say something?
00:18:45.100 They're laughing at the man who knows the original language.
00:18:47.100 He knows Hebrew and they're telling him he's wrong.
00:18:50.100 Okay, okay, okay, okay.
00:18:52.100 You're telling the Jew he's wrong.
00:18:54.100 Okay, okay.
00:18:56.100 Can you read it, David?
00:18:58.100 How could you tell a person who knows the language 0.87
00:19:00.100 with your translation that he's wrong?
00:19:02.100 Hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:19:03.100 You don't even know.
00:19:04.100 Oh my goodness.
00:19:05.100 You know what time it is.
00:19:06.100 He's telling you what time it is.
00:19:08.100 You speak English and then you re-sign from English.
00:19:10.100 Yeah.
00:19:11.100 Exactly.
00:19:12.100 But I don't speak English.
00:19:13.100 I don't take you to the same.
00:19:14.100 Exactly.
00:19:15.100 You don't speak Hebrew.
00:19:16.100 The guy knows Hebrew and they love it at him.
00:19:17.100 I hear your screams at me.
00:19:18.100 Yeah.
00:19:19.100 Yes.
00:19:20.100 Okay.
00:19:21.100 So you do understand Hebrew?
00:19:22.100 Okay.
00:19:23.100 Do you believe God is a man?
00:19:24.100 Okay.
00:19:25.100 See, there is three Jews here and I'm a Muslim.
00:19:27.100 We all agree God is not a man.
00:19:30.100 Yes.
00:19:31.100 We have something in common with our Jewish prophets here.
00:19:33.100 So are you saying, okay, that this is forged?
00:19:36.100 Nope.
00:19:37.100 I'm not saying it's forged.
00:19:38.100 You don't know.
00:19:39.100 So let's read it again.
00:19:40.100 No, no.
00:19:41.100 He's saying you don't know.
00:19:42.100 Speak.
00:19:43.100 Sorry.
00:19:44.100 In Judaism, the way in the Torah is Western, words can have more than one meaning.
00:19:47.100 Hmm.
00:19:48.100 Now, you agree my books are true.
00:19:51.100 He's teaching your language.
00:19:52.100 And you agree that we are books, we are true too.
00:19:53.100 So in Judaism, words can mean not two different things.
00:19:57.100 Is that true?
00:19:58.100 Is that true?
00:19:59.100 The word, it can't mean black and white.
00:20:01.100 It can mean black.
00:20:02.100 I'm sorry.
00:20:03.100 The colors are black.
00:20:04.100 It can mean yes.
00:20:05.100 And maybe almost yes.
00:20:06.100 It means it can have a slight difference.
00:20:08.100 Ah.
00:20:09.100 Okay.
00:20:10.100 Okay.
00:20:11.100 I'll show you again.
00:20:12.100 What does this word here mean?
00:20:13.100 No, no.
00:20:14.100 I'm talking about this name.
00:20:15.100 No problem.
00:20:16.100 As long as we understand this is the name of the word.
00:20:17.100 Word by word.
00:20:18.100 Alright.
00:20:19.100 Cool.
00:20:20.100 So it says the Lord.
00:20:21.100 No, no.
00:20:22.100 Word by word.
00:20:23.100 Hebrew.
00:20:24.100 Word by word.
00:20:25.100 This is the Hebrew.
00:20:26.100 The Lord unto him and appears.
00:20:27.100 So that means the Lord appeared.
00:20:28.100 What's the word appear?
00:20:29.100 Appears.
00:20:30.100 What does that word mean?
00:20:31.100 What does that word mean?
00:20:32.100 That word is used when you describe when God appears.
00:20:36.100 Let me finish, mate.
00:20:37.100 Don't lift your head like that.
00:20:38.100 Let me finish.
00:20:39.100 What?
00:20:40.100 What?
00:20:41.100 What if it is?
00:20:42.100 You're right.
00:20:43.100 It's democracy.
00:20:44.100 We have straight in the corner.
00:20:45.100 No.
00:20:46.100 That word is used when it discusses when God appears in a prophecy.
00:20:50.100 It's not like when you appear so enough.
00:20:52.100 And then the English words for it.
00:20:55.100 But you're waffling.
00:20:56.100 No, no.
00:20:57.100 It's not waffling.
00:20:58.100 You're waffling.
00:20:59.100 You're waffling.
00:21:00.100 What?
00:21:01.100 It's the word that God.
00:21:02.100 You're waffling.
00:21:03.100 The word that God uses when he appears in prophecy means it's not used when Ali appears here.
00:21:08.900 Actually, thank you.
00:21:09.900 Thank you.
00:21:10.900 No, God, he did not see God.
00:21:12.900 Okay, you see God.
00:21:13.900 Thank you.
00:21:14.900 No, no, no.
00:21:15.900 He's strong.
00:21:16.900 No, no, no.
00:21:17.900 What person would just do it?
00:21:18.900 Don't worry.
00:21:19.900 Are you teaching him his language?
00:21:20.900 Don't worry.
00:21:21.900 Are you teaching him his language?
00:21:22.900 Don't worry.
00:21:23.900 David.
00:21:24.900 Oh, David.
00:21:25.900 He's in a lot of trouble.
00:21:26.900 Exactly.
00:21:27.900 Okay.
00:21:28.900 No, kids.
00:21:29.900 What's the word when somebody else explains the Quran?
00:21:31.900 What do you describe someone?
00:21:33.900 Confused.
00:21:34.900 No, I'm not.
00:21:35.900 It's a word.
00:21:36.900 Can you tell me the child?
00:21:37.900 When somebody else explains what it means.
00:21:39.900 Oh.
00:21:40.900 Commentary.
00:21:41.900 Commentary.
00:21:42.900 Exactly.
00:21:43.900 The commentary explains that this is talking about.
00:21:44.900 Yes.
00:21:45.900 The commentary is right.
00:21:46.900 It says here.
00:21:47.900 No, no, no.
00:21:48.900 You understood it like this.
00:21:49.900 I've never seen this.
00:21:50.900 Kenny, let me speak.
00:21:51.900 The commentary is talking about Abraham.
00:21:53.900 That Abraham appeared. 0.82
00:21:54.900 So Abraham sat down.
00:21:55.900 Abraham was sitting.
00:21:56.900 Yes.
00:21:57.900 Show us where's this Abraham sat.
00:21:58.900 Wait, hold on.
00:21:59.900 Show us where's this Abraham sat.
00:22:00.900 The commentary says that.
00:22:01.900 The open of commentary.
00:22:02.900 Don't give me a commentary.
00:22:03.900 I'm talking about your scripture.
00:22:04.900 The open of commentary.
00:22:05.900 What does your scripture say?
00:22:07.900 In the Hebrew.
00:22:08.900 In the Hebrew.
00:22:09.900 It says.
00:22:10.900 Who gives a commentary?
00:22:11.900 I told you were getting in trouble.
00:22:12.900 You're in trouble.
00:22:13.900 I told you were getting in trouble.
00:22:14.900 You're in trouble.
00:22:15.900 What does this say?
00:22:16.900 Is it Abraham sitting?
00:22:17.900 Or is it God sitting?
00:22:19.900 Man was two.
00:22:20.900 All right.
00:22:21.900 Let me explain something.
00:22:22.900 Go on.
00:22:23.900 You're talking about music.
00:22:24.900 Baba, take a breath. 1.00
00:22:25.900 Take your time.
00:22:26.900 Don't worry.
00:22:27.900 Let me answer.
00:22:28.900 Okay.
00:22:29.900 Who is sitting?
00:22:30.900 Who is sitting here?
00:22:31.900 What?
00:22:32.900 This is Genesis 18.
00:22:34.900 We're reading through the whole scripture.
00:22:35.900 Whole passage.
00:22:36.900 Genesis 18.
00:22:37.900 Who is sitting here?
00:22:38.900 Abraham is God.
00:22:39.900 Can I answer you?
00:22:40.900 Can I answer you?
00:22:41.900 I'm going to bring an example.
00:22:42.900 Don't attack me until I finish.
00:22:43.900 For sure. 0.99
00:22:44.900 Some Muslims.
00:22:45.900 You know where they go.
00:22:46.900 Some.
00:22:47.900 Some.
00:22:48.900 Yeah. 0.93
00:22:49.900 Some Muslims go around and blow themselves up from what they call jihad.
00:22:54.900 He will say that's a misinterpretation of the Quran.
00:22:56.900 Yes.
00:22:57.900 Exactly.
00:22:58.900 What?
00:22:59.900 Which we can talk after.
00:23:00.900 You said you didn't let me finish.
00:23:01.900 The KKK are great Christians. 1.00
00:23:02.900 Yes.
00:23:03.900 You said you didn't let me finish.
00:23:04.900 The KKK are real Christians. 1.00
00:23:05.900 No problem.
00:23:06.900 So.
00:23:07.900 He would say.
00:23:08.900 He would say.
00:23:09.900 Back it up.
00:23:10.900 Crusaders.
00:23:11.900 He would say it's a misinterpretation of the Quran.
00:23:14.900 With the same way.
00:23:15.900 He will say the real interpretation of the Quran.
00:23:18.900 Exactly.
00:23:19.900 Exactly.
00:23:20.900 Now.
00:23:21.900 You as a Christian.
00:23:22.900 Were taught the Old Testament.
00:23:23.900 Yes.
00:23:24.900 To suit your needs.
00:23:25.900 Exactly.
00:23:26.900 And I was taught it so minded.
00:23:27.900 Exactly.
00:23:28.900 To prove my religion.
00:23:29.900 That's why I said.
00:23:30.900 The way we were taught.
00:23:31.900 Let me finish.
00:23:32.900 Yes.
00:23:33.900 Was that.
00:23:34.900 The Old Bible.
00:23:35.900 The way we were taught was.
00:23:36.900 That it's not chronological.
00:23:37.900 It means things are not in order.
00:23:39.900 Why it was.
00:23:40.900 There's many reasons you want me to get into.
00:23:41.900 I don't know them because I said I'm not trained.
00:23:43.900 Yes.
00:23:44.900 So why are you talking to us if you're not trained?
00:23:45.900 I don't get.
00:23:46.900 I don't know.
00:23:47.900 Because they shoot you down.
00:23:48.900 You don't need to be trained.
00:23:49.900 Just let them be afraid.
00:23:50.900 I'm pretty sure what you said.
00:23:51.900 The point is.
00:23:52.900 The commentary which we believe.
00:23:53.900 You just chose not to be.
00:23:54.900 It's talking about.
00:23:55.900 It says.
00:23:56.900 That God appeared.
00:23:57.900 To where?
00:23:58.900 In the area.
00:23:59.900 And who was it?
00:24:00.900 Abraham was sitting there.
00:24:01.900 Abraham was sitting in the heat of the day.
00:24:02.900 And then if you continue.
00:24:03.900 And the commentary later on explains.
00:24:05.900 Then why did God send three angels?
00:24:07.900 Because Abraham in the heat of the day wanted so badly to have visitors.
00:24:10.900 That God sent him angels to make him feel good.
00:24:12.900 Alright.
00:24:13.900 That's what the commentary says later on.
00:24:14.900 If you continue.
00:24:15.900 The angels came.
00:24:16.900 That's what.
00:24:17.900 Then only later on to say how God appeared to him where?
00:24:19.900 Exactly.
00:24:20.900 And even if God appeared.
00:24:21.900 How does that make him a man?
00:24:22.900 Brother.
00:24:23.900 Brother.
00:24:24.900 How does that make him a man?
00:24:25.900 Brother.
00:24:26.900 Let's get back to the text.
00:24:27.900 I'm about the scripture.
00:24:28.900 I'm not about just hearsay.
00:24:29.900 I'm about what this is saying.
00:24:30.900 Right?
00:24:31.900 Okay.
00:24:32.900 So we're so far.
00:24:33.900 He's ignoring me.
00:24:34.900 He's not talking to me.
00:24:35.900 So what I'm going to do is.
00:24:36.900 Ali.
00:24:37.900 What do you know?
00:24:38.900 Ali.
00:24:39.900 What do you know?
00:24:40.900 Ali.
00:24:41.900 Ali.
00:24:42.900 Ali.
00:24:43.900 Ali.
00:24:44.900 Ali.
00:24:45.900 Ali.
00:24:46.900 Ali.
00:24:47.900 Ali.
00:24:48.900 Ali.
00:24:49.900 Ali.
00:24:50.900 When they said it's God the most powerful, he ignored it.
00:24:51.900 Ali.
00:24:52.900 Ali.
00:24:53.900 Ali.
00:24:54.900 Ali.
00:24:55.900 Ali.
00:24:56.900 Ali.
00:24:57.900 Ali.
00:24:58.900 Ali.
00:24:59.900 Ali.
00:25:00.900 Ali.
00:25:01.900 Ali.
00:25:02.900 Ali.
00:25:03.900 You're finito.
00:25:04.900 You got the wrong guy.
00:25:05.900 Is this the wrong guy?
00:25:06.900 Is this the wrong guy?
00:25:07.900 Is it a Jesus Christy ...
00:25:08.900 ...
00:25:09.900 Brother.
00:25:10.900 Brother.
00:25:11.900 Brother.
00:25:12.900 I got fans.
00:25:13.900 They have to shout out my name.
00:25:14.900 Okay.
00:25:15.900 Whatever.
00:25:16.900 I got fans, they have to shout out my name.
00:25:17.900 Ali.
00:25:18.900 Now, I ask him if God the most powerful, no answer.
00:25:19.900 Is God the man?
00:25:20.900 Is God a man?
00:25:22.900 Do we believe God is a man?
00:25:24.900 David, David, it was a pleasure.