JOE ROGAN EMBARRASSES DOUGLAS MURAY - SO SATISFYING
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Comedian Douglas Murray gets humiliated by Joe Rogan and Dave Smith, but does it backfire on him? Is it really so bad that it actually backfires on him, or is it just not that bad?
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You say, I'm not a historian, but I'm going to spend my time talking about history.
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I'm not a journalist, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
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I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
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Yeah, or if Israel has occupied them for 60 years, it would all be different, too.
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The World Bank said in 1996 for the one year of the budget.
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Now the libertarians are quoting the World Bank.
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Yes, I'm saying the World Bank did their own analysis of this.
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And they said that it was a 40% of their own analysis.
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Many reaction videos I've seen to this have touched on this.
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I've caught on this to find out slightly more on Douglas Murray.
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You have been perpetuating lies against Islam over and over again.
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As-salamu alaykum, wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers and sisters, the dear friends.
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So we're going to be reacting to, inshallah, Joe Rogan and Dave Smith absolutely humiliating Douglas Murray.
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But there are two key points where Douglas Murray actually shot himself in the foot without actually realizing it.
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So let's start off, inshallah, with the first clip, inshallah, and see how he gets slapped around intellectually.
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But if you throw a lot of shit out there, there's some point at which I'm just raising questions is not a valid thing.
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I think there's a whole bunch of guys doing that.
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Dave's a comedian, but he's now mainly talking about Israel.
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I don't know if I'm mainly talking about Israel.
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Well, you're not a geopolitics guy in general, are you?
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I'm saying you've decided, being a comedian, you've decided now to become somebody who talks about Israel.
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I just think you have long-form conversations, multiple of them.
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It's a huge event that's in the news, so it comes up.
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I think if you're on the outside, you'd say, oh, look, they're trying to get attention by talking about this very polarizing issue publicly.
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If you'd spent a lot of years speaking about Myanmar, you would not be on my lips.
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He talks about a lot of things that aren't in the news constantly.
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Well, I tend to talk about the conflicts that my government is directly involved in, which I think is reasonable to me.
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But I don't quite get, like, what's all the appeal to authority stuff?
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No, I think authority matters, and I think that if you just throw a lot of shit out there and then say, I'm not interested in the alternative views on this.
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And particularly when it's a counter-narrative that is wildly off.
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And when you get people, look, I just feel, we should get it out straight away, I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot of people who've now got a big platform who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous country.
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So, in a nutshell, guys, he's having a go at Joe Rogan.
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You have opened the door to people like Dave Smith and his likes to talk.
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Does one need to be an expert to be talking about the genocide, innocent men, women, children being killed, they are indiscriminately targeting them, sniper bullets hitting children's heads, private parts?
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He's having a go at Joe Rogan for putting him in there.
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The government that you support, by the way, your English, I don't even know in what connection you have, that they are massacring these people, yes?
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You want us to be like, okay, yes, it's okay to kill men, women, children?
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Her dynamics to all of this is that we have, at least since 9-11, been in a state of perpetual war.
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They have been so many lies involved in selling all of them.
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The whole Iraq war, the whole war in Afghanistan, just lying the whole way through.
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It's just like lie after lie after lie with disastrous wars.
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And so this does create a fertile ground for people to say, I wonder if they were lying about all these wars.
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It's fertile ground, I think the interesting question is whether you're busy watering it.
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Well, should you not talk about mistakes that were made overall?
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You say, I'm not a historian, but I'm going to spend my time talking about history.
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I'm not a journalist, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
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I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing.
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Okay, in a nutshell, who's been pushing these wars?
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He is the one that has been pushing this narrative and telling them to go to war with this person
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Not for America's interest, for the United States of Israel's interest.
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And that's why Americans are fed up and they're waking up.
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And he says, for example, what are you, it's fertile ground and what are you watering?
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In a nutshell, your objective news, because this is what they say now, objective news means
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They're even going after Miss Rachel for saying they're dehumanized Palestinian children.
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And then a social experiment in central London about this, hunting Hamas member down.
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Would you point out that I didn't and it was the Trump administration?
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You take it obviously very personally, and that's your right to do so, of course.
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I'm just trying to make sure we're accurate here.
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I think they've killed hundreds of thousands of people and cost my country $8 trillion
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And there's a very good argument to make on that.
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I'm still slightly bemused about this move from I'm an expert on this and I have used
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I've never claimed to be an expert on anything.
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Wait a minute, you have to claim to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something?
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This is like, I'm not a historian, but I'm pumping out history.
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I'm not an expert, but I'm talking all the time about this thing.
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But you're not even talking about specifically on what he just said.
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Well, the expert class hasn't done a great job, man.
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During all of COVID, I will put my track record against any of the expert class on COVID.
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Should I have shut up by opposing lockdowns and opposing vaccine mandates?
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So he's basically saying, nobody in any way of, look, God Almighty has given us some
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Of course you need experts on specific fields, but this actually backfires on you.
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This is one of the things, many reaction videos I've seen to this, I haven't touched
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on this, I've caught on this to find out slightly, is that he's saying you have
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Well, more on, Douglas Murray, you're not an expert on a stamp.
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You have been perpetuating lies against Islam over and over again.
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You've been lying, misconstruing, taking things out of context, and you are the reason why
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innocent men, women, children, Muslims have been attacked all over the world, or even
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Let's carry on, and let's see how he catches, shoots himself in the foot again.
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So I think they disengaged in order to kill the peace process.
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I think they put the full blockade around the country for the reason that they've always
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kind of done it there, that yeah, they don't want too much stuff getting in.
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They want to keep them, as they put it, on a diet, and they don't want rockets to fly
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If that desire to live in peace beside your neighbours had superseded the desire to stockpile
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Yeah, or if Israel has occupied them for 60 years, it would all be different too.
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They wouldn't occupy it, they weren't hard to do.
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The World Bank said, in 1996, for the one year of the blockade-
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Yes, I'm saying the World Bank did their own analysis of this, and they said that it was
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You've got to stop interrupting and let him finish the sentence.
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The World Bank said that 40% drop in the GDP of one year due to the blockade, and there's
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So are you saying that this hasn't had an economic effect?
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So you're saying you have to be on the ground and do an audit of the blockade in order to
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No, I think you should at least know what it is, what the territory is, what the situation
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And the only way to do that is to be there in person.
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Either take on the arguments or don't, but I don't think-
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Well, then present a counter-argument to it, but to just tell me I'm not allowed to talk
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I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about it.
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Well, you're not an expert, you shouldn't talk about it, you haven't been there.
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But you keep playing this game where it's like the whole opening to this podcast was
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like the non-experts talking about this is such a problem.
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Now you're saying I haven't been there, I can't talk about it.
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Is there a blockade there that's causing economic devastation or not?
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First of all, I do believe that one of the things you should do if you're talking about
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The reason why trucks get searched is not because the Israelis want to search through grain
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It's because they wanted to stop the trucks containing the arms and-
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To understand it properly, whenever you go into the Muslims and who've been massacred,
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yes, we talk about they hate the worst, they don't hate the worst.
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They don't care about you and your freedoms and your degeneracy.
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Yes, whenever you go to these regions and support the Muslims, they said, what's your problem
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And they'll come and say, you are massacring us.
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You're coming to our lands and stealing our resources.
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And very interestingly, when he shoots them in the foot and Dave Smith pulled him up on
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this, which is that he's like, well, if you come and he's like, oh, if you, you know,
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if they stop sending rockets, Hamas, then we will not be doing this.
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And Dave Smith said, well, if you haven't been occupying them for that many years, they wouldn't
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And this is the next reaction I'm going to show you is where Douglas Murray shoots himself
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in the foot by actually making an argument for the Palestinians.
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A couple of views about iron ore production in the Bavarian forest and this sort of thing.
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And I remember everyone was all over the place.
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And the moderator turned to the historian Andrew Roberts and said, Andrew Roberts, why
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And he said, World War II began because Hitler invaded Poland.
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And those moments come along quite often at the moment, which is, yes, there's an awful
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There's a lot of very interesting things going on, which we should all be able to talk
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But sometimes you have to remember the origin causes of things as well.
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Well, I think that a lot of people are pretty bad at the moment of keeping that in mind.
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Like you can there you can concede Ukrainian corruption.
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You can concede all sorts of things and still not lose sight of the thing of.
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If Russia rolls tanks into neighbouring countries, it can't be allowed.
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Oh, well, OK, so on that, I think we have an area of agreement.
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Yes, he's talking about somebody who's big enough and saying, you know, the guy said,
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Because Russia brought his tanks to his neighbouring countries.
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OK, so you're trying to make a point based on the root of the problem is what?
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But that if they did not do that, if Hitler didn't go to Poland, World War II would have
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If Russia didn't bring this tank, which I don't know if it's true or not, the neighbouring
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countries, the war with Ukraine wouldn't start.
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And if the Zionists did not go and steal the lands from the Palestinians, we would not
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They even make counter-arguments against their selves.
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You've just made an argument for the Palestinians.
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And that is the point of Dave Smith and Joe Rogan.
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It's kind of hard to lecture a group of people who are going through so much.
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The level of human suffering that's being inflicted on the people of Gaza right now
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And so to lecture them about how you're supposed to handle that exactly.
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But I will say, man, I think there's kind of this selective empathy that you have here.
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But at the same time, we're not having this conversation on October 9th.
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We're having it in 2025, where the tragedy that's been inflicted on Gaza
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is orders of magnitudes greater than October 7th.
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There are just every day people are inundated with images of just dead women and children.
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And by several metrics that really, you know, like personally matter to me,
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It's more children have died than in any recent war.
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I do think there's almost like a fundamental framing bias.
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It seems to me that there's almost an implicit difference in the value that you place on Israeli
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life versus the value that we place on Palestinians' life.
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And to even like, we've gone this far into the conversation and haven't even talked about
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the fact that like, Israel has, if you want to argue, I haven't been there.
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This is a captive people, you know, that Israel has dominated since at least 1967.
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Many of them are there because of the creation of the state of Israel,
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And they are just, I mean, the amount of human suffering that's being inflicted on them.
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When Hamas in many ways was forced on these people.
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In fact, we saw protests against Hamas just recently.
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I mean, that to me seems to be the greatest human tragedy.
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And I think much more so than you can characterize it as people being pro-Hamas or people being
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But I actually think that the mass movement around the world of people who oppose this
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war has been that people feel really awful about all these babies.
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And I wish there was a reaction video to Dr. Murray's face.
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He's talking about, Dave Smith's talking about massacring men, women, and children
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The reason why he has a problem with Joe Rogan and Dave Smith is because he's saying the
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Killing these innocent babies, children, women that he's talking about.
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They should be killed because of the greater picture.
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And he absolutely did not downplay any of the Nazi atrocities at all.
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And I would also, I think that if we're zooming out here a little bit, maybe this is kind
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Broadly speaking, in American culture, the idea that it has not been driven into people
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enough that the Nazis were bad and that Adolf Hitler was...
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Adolf Hitler is what's viewed as the most evil thing.
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To the point that, I mean, just my entire life growing up, if there was a guy who sold
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soup on Seinfeld who was like authoritarian, he's a soup Nazi.
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Every single enemy that we've gone to war with is always called Hitler.
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So the idea that like we haven't driven into people enough, that Adolf Hitler was a really
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I'm saying just as the left likes to play with very dark, ugly stuff, and they've done
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They have played down Chairman Mao's murder of the Chinese throughout his era in power.
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They still march on occasions with posters of Lenin.
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They've spent decades trying to do down evils that were done on their side.
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And he's now having a guy, some guy called Daryl, something, whatever, downplaying
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the anti-Semitism of Hitler or something like that.
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The card that they would use, Hitler and Holocaust, is to carry out these massacres.
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There are Jews, real Jews, who are coming, anti-Zionist Jews who are coming and saying,
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you are not going to use this Holocaust card to do another Holocaust.
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And if there's anyone that could talk about this, I mean, it's those who are
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who have gone through the Holocaust, they're the grandchildren of those who went through
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And then towards the end, he talks about those who have downplayed what Lenin done and Mao
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And you are downplaying that trustee of Israel.
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I do not want a guy with one half thousand followers who's got some zany new view on something
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who isn't an expert, but is an expert to be pushed at me.
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And effectively, what is happening with the Twitter algorithm is happening everywhere else
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And we're all for the open marketplace of ideas.
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But it is it is different once you get into the thing of is something manipulating the
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algorithm behind is the algorithm being pushed on me.
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He has an issue with the algorithm and people who are not experts and some guy with one
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You've been doing this for the past 10, 50 years, my friend, talking about Islam.
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Yes, you've been pushing the algorithm, lying, manipulating, taking out of context, misconstruing
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Why have you been talking about Islam in such a way where you have no idea?
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Have you come and sat with Muslims, spoke with Muslims, understood the Quran, spoke to the
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It is the beginning of the end of Zionism and Israel.