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In this episode, we are joined by our sister, Naima B. Robert, to talk about feminism and the red pill. She shares her experience with feminism and how she has dealt with it in her life and how it has impacted her family life.
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And I think one of the sort of aha moments that I've had over the past couple of years is how much we as women have been lied to about almost everything.
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If anyone mentions anything about women or anything about sisters, sisters will say, well, what about the men?
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But his purpose in life was not to keep his wives happy.
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The Prophet ď·ş never said to men that they will be judged upon the pleasure of their wives or the pleasing of their wives.
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They will be judged upon their treatment of their wives.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers and sisters and dear friends.
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Before I start, I want to praise Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, the most merciful, the most just,
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all praises, glory and gratitude belong to him.
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We have an amazing, honorable, dear sister, subhanallah, sister Naima B. Robert.
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I'm really bad with names, but alhamdulillah, I got that right.
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So, we've got our sister here and we are going to, inshallah, be talking about issues pertaining to gender roles.
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But, inshallah, we're going to be reacting to two videos.
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One of sister Naima's videos, which actually went viral.
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We're going to find out why did it go viral, specifically with the Red Pill community.
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Then, we're going to react to a video of myself changing my daughter, putting her clothes on, etc.
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So, we're going to be covering two extremes here today, inshallah.
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And, we will come to that, which is feminism and Red Pill.
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But, yeah, sister Naima, please tell us, for those who do not know you a bit, about yourself, inshallah.
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And, also, there is something, you've got an announcement that you want to make as well, inshallah.
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And, brother and sister, you guys are watching at home, myself and sister Naima, are working on a project, inshallah, which will help young, well, not just young, single Muslims into the marriage-seeking process, which will be launched, inshallah, at the end of June.
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But, before that, we'll get, inshallah, straight to sister Naima.
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So, sister Naima, tell us, what do you have coming up?
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So, I'm really, really pleased to be here, alhamdulillah.
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For those of you who don't know me, my name is Naima B. Robert.
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I'm an award-winning author of over 30 books for children, teens, and adults.
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And, alhamdulillah, I get to coach women, mainly, but some brothers as well, to be able to share their story, message, or knowledge in a book, inshallah.
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Information about that will be in the description, inshallah.
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So, if you would like to know more about that, please do follow the link in the description.
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But, for now, you know, aside from the book writing, aside from the coaching, alhamdulillah, I get to present, I get to speak, and get to be an entrepreneur.
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And, you know, I have, alhamdulillah, five children, and I get to be a homeschooling, homesteading mom as well, alhamdulillah.
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So, that's a little bit about me, and my YouTube channel has lots more about the stuff that we talk about.
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Lots of marriage conversations over there, but we'd love to see you guys over there as well, inshallah.
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May Allah bless you, preserve you, inshallah, for that, alhamdulillah, for the service that you're doing to the Ummah, which is one of the biggest threats that we have today is divorce.
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And, inshallah, like we said, we will be working with Sister Naima to combat these issues, inshallah.
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And, yeah, inshallah, in a couple of months, we'll be launching an app, which will, inshallah, cater for that.
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I'm going to play it, or let's play it, inshallah, let the people see.
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And we're going to come back and see what was the hype, what was the hype about it, inshallah.
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If you have to convince a sister, a woman, that you are a good option, that you're her best option, right, by jumping through hoops, by proving yourself, by buying her stuff, by telling her what she wants to hear, she's not the one for you.
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Because she clearly does not see you as her best option, right?
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She thinks you're just one of many, or maybe you're okay, but maybe another better one is coming, right?
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Now, if you finally convince her to marry you, what's going to happen in that relationship?
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What's going to be the power dynamic in that relationship?
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You've basically signed up for a life of her on a pedestal, and you working overtime to please her.
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And sisters, unfortunately, hate it when I talk about this, right?
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Because this is the model we've been presented by society.
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And the reality is, certainly as far as the deen is concerned, it's actually the opposite.
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Allah and the Prophet have taught us as women the importance of pleasing our husbands, of catering to our husbands, of looking after our husbands.
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Okay, so you heard that for yourself, brothers and sisters.
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Okay, so, I think there was a lot of truths there that was spoken.
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One thing that I want to touch upon, so what's, I mean, tell us a bit about that podcast, etc.
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But besides that, for those who are watching at home, some sisters might be very upset, you know.
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So, I'm going to come to my perspective of it, because, and I come from a different angle,
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but tell us a bit more, you know, if you can just elaborate a little bit more about what you said there.
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Obviously, this clip was in the context of a very long conversation, mashallah.
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And I, we were talking about lots of different things, and we got to this particular point in the conversation.
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And I think one of the sort of aha moments that I've had over the past couple of years is how much we, as women, have been lied to about almost everything, right?
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About our role, about what value we bring, about what our priorities are, about the roles that we should play in, you know, all our relationships.
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And a lot, a huge part of that is the Disney, Hollywood, Bollywood, you know, romance, music, etc. industry that has taught us a model, right?
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And now, in our heads, that is the ideal model.
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The ideal relationship is where the man is chasing and where he's trying to prove himself and is constantly working to make you happy, make you happy, make you happy.
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And the most important aspect of that relationship is how you feel in that relationship.
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Now, lots of sisters will say, well, what's wrong with a man making his wife happy?
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I mean, the video has had over 3 million views.
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I've never, ever had a video go crazy like that before.
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But it's so mad to me how you look through those comments, every man is saying, that's the truce.
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You will work yourself to the bone for a woman and she still won't see you, right?
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Or you will try, you know, if you're jumping through hoops or whatever, she doesn't want you or she's, you know, all of these things.
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And so many men are like, that is what happens.
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And of course, the women are feeling attacked and feeling on, you know, they go on the defensive and they're like, well, why does it have to be one way?
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Now, before I kind of go into the other side of it, because it was with, you know, the Islamic side of it, you know, one of the things that a lot of people did, and I noticed online, women slash sisters, we do this all the time.
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If anyone mentions anything about women or anything about sisters, women, sisters will say, well, what about the men?
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You know, why do, you know, it's like we can't take accountability.
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We can't be honest with ourselves and with others.
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It's really, it's something that's quite amazing for me to see, right?
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And the thing is, the idea that, you know, because so many people said, you know, like in Islam, it's not like that.
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You know, the husband and wife should cater to each other, etc.
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And I had this conversation with some more sisters who are much more knowledgeable than me, right?
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And I asked them, you know, was I wrong in what I said?
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Because from what I know from the Quran and the Sunnah, the Prophet ď·ş treated his wives well.
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But his purpose in life was not to keep his wives happy.
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Because if that had been his purpose, he would have failed.
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And some women and sisters, we know this, right?
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We know this because we're living in this body.
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It makes, it's like your whole world becomes a paradise, right?
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Two weeks later, catch you in a different, you know, season of your cycle.
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So sisters, ladies, we need to be honest with ourselves as well.
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The Prophet ď·ş never said to men that they will be judged upon the pleasure of their wives
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They will be judged upon their treatment of their wives, right?
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Because that's something that's quantifiable, all right?
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Something that is, it's just to judge somebody upon that basis.
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But if we start to go into the hadith that mention the value of pleasing your husband,
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of catering to your husband, sisters get triggered.
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And unfortunately, the reason why we don't want to hear it is because we have imbibed this
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idea that we're equals, we're partners, like, you know, we're supposed to have the same say
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and, you know, basically everything is the same.
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And Islam is, you know, gender equality and feminine, you know, Islam is a feminist religion
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Yes, there are aspects of Islam that you could say, this is pro-woman, but there are other
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aspects of Islam that the man has the upper hand.
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And that is because Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala designed a system.
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And if we as women are not happy to play our part in the system, the system is not going
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So I don't want to go too long about this and kind of rant and rave about it.
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But that was one of the things I saw coming through is that sisters can't stand to hear
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They don't want to hear it because they're just like, no, no, no, no.
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He's like, never realizing that, hold on a minute, sis, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is
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actually going to question you about how you treated your husband.
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He's actually going to question you about how pleased he was with you.
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And again, any scholars or students of knowledge out there who know that my interpretation is
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incorrect, please reach out to me because I tried to see, is this equal?
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And if we can't be comfortable with that, we are going to be butting heads again and
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And butting heads with the dean is always going to be a losing battle.
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Yeah, I think, you know, like, mashallah, may Allah bless you.
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That's the issue because at the end of the day, it's a responsibility that is given to us.
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So the responsibility is so high that, of course, that's the reason why, for example, our wives
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are going to be asked, like, for example, like the Hadith of the Prophet, that if a woman
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And her husband is pleased with her, she can enter Jannah, I think it says, through any
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And this is something that submission to Islam is very simple.
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There are so many things that as men, we are told to do that we submit to.
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There are no things that don't make it seem as if Allah is telling you to do things that
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you don't like, for example, be it polygamy, be it this, obedience to her husband, not going
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There is reasons why Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has specific protocols in place when it comes
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to a woman, because there are studies that show that a woman can be easily manipulated.
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So there's so many things Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has put in place to protect you.
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So for us, for example, as men, I mean, if you think about it, that protecting, providing,
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when there's a war, like look at Ukraine, there's an outright war, most of the women
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These women are getting focused saying, your husband died.
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So the thing is here, is that it's because of that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given
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So it's so many responsibility that is on the shoulders of a man.
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That's the reason why that if you, like the Prophet shallallahu alaihi wa ta'ala said,
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that if I was to ask anybody to prostrate to anybody, it will be the wife to the husband.
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Now, when we say this, a lot of sisters think, my husband who doesn't give me my rights,
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my husband who cheats on me, my husband who doesn't provide, no, not that husband, not
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No way in the hadith does it say, your husband who violates you.
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As a Muslim woman, you have a right to ask for divorce if you catch him being disloyal.
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And when I'm in disloyal, I'm not talking about polygamy.
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Or other things that I don't want to get into now.
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So Islam has given you those rights, but you need to understand that that is the responsibility
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that we have, which is so, like, what we have is not something that we enjoy.
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You know, it's hard to provide and protect, but yeah.
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No, I just, you know, I would like to just pause on that point that you made about sisters
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saying, oh, the husband who does this and the husband who does that.
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It's like, when it comes to men, when it comes to brothers, sisters don't give any grace.
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And they always, I find, the narrative is always either the lowest common denominator or the
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I've worked with thousands of women now, mashallah, tabarakallah.
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Out of those thousands of women that I've worked with in all different capacities, there's
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a minority whose husbands are, yeah, not giving what needs to be gave, okay?
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They are not fulfilling their responsibilities in the eyes of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, right?
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The majority of Muslim husbands that I know of, and again, come for me in the comments
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if you think that I'm way off, the majority of us are average seekers.
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Now, when I say trying your best, as a man, and I say this on the podcast, what is the
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baseline with regards to your marriage as a man?
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As you said, protect, provide, try to be a good example.
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Now, unfortunately for us, women, we're complicated beings, okay?
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We don't judge people the way that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala judges people.
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We judge according to a whole host of other criteria that Allah never mentioned, right?
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You know, is he optimizing his financial status?
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You know, has he bought you a new car in the last five years?
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All of these material things, all of these personal, emotional things, you're using those
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criteria to judge your husband and find him lacking.
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And again, I don't think I'm overstating the case when I say that our generation and the
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one coming after, we have been bred to have disdain for men, okay?
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Even if we're married to them, even if we have husbands, fathers, sons even, a lot of women
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And if it's not disdain and distaste, then it is distrust, okay?
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We look at our husband who's working in the kitchen, right?
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And subhanAllah, when you listen to men, that's why a lot of sisters are kind of upset with
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me or they got upset with me last year because, sis, you've changed.
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You used to give those brothers and tell it like it was and da-da-da-da-da.
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And that means that some of us sisters are going to have to sit down and listen.
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And some of those brothers are going to have to sit down and listen because this is not
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It's not about us and our egos and, you know, our dreams that we've got for ourselves as
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Because as soon as you join with another human being that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
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joined, chose for you to join with and chose to bless you with kids, it's not about you
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So, you know, this attitude that I see sisters having and I see online especially, I don't
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know how much of it trickles down into real life, to be honest.
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But online, sisters are out of pocket and they do it in a really sly way, especially
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Sisters quote Quran and Hadith in a way that is a dig at men, that is undermining men, that
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You know when sisters say, we're not here to worship no man.
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Sis, you need to understand that that attitude that you have is disrespectful.
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And a lot of sisters, unfortunately, they've got good dads.
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And they still have this distaste and distrust and disdain for men, something that we need
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And we need to deal with it because I am so scared when I hear the way some sisters go
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You know, and they'll say, oh, I'm bringing up the next generation of men.
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How are you going to teach your son to be a man if you hate men?
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You'll end up showing him how to be a woman instead of being a man.
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I think it's, it's, it's, like, what you said is very, like, subhanAllah, it's, it's
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And, and I just see that because the thing is the, there's power dynamics.
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You know what, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, it's very interesting.
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Like, I find it interesting that, for example, usually for a woman, her biological clock,
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And I believe Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has put power dynamics in place.
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Because you need to understand, for a woman from the age of 18 to about 28, 26, she's sought
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I mean, there's studies that show this as well.
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So, the power dynamics change because I believe if Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala allowed the woman's
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biological clock to be 40, 50, there'll be chaos.
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What I mean is that, for example, that by the get-go, as a woman, you are valued.
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Forget this nonsense when I'm talking, when I'm using certain terminology, I'm not talking
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So, the thing is, you are protecting and providing.
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So, when we say Allah has given a degree over to a man, it's a responsibility.
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The amount of men who are in dangerous working jobs, the amount of men that, you know, usually
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men usually die much younger than a woman, yeah?
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And the dangerous jobs that they do, well, going out, even if a thief breaks into the
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house, there's so many elements where I would prefer to cook the biryani all day, every
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But the sisters take this as if it's a privilege.
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Like, they think, oh, these men, Allah has given them privileges.
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It's the feminist lens that sees, you know, the power and privilege rather than responsibility.
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And we don't have to go to dangerous jobs and war and those extremes.
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How many sisters would honestly sign up to be punished by Allah for not going pray in the
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You know, let's be real for a second here, right?
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Can you imagine, sister, Naila, sisters don't really understand this.
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Like, sometimes, by the way, we're going to have you on the Bitter Truth Show, inshallah,
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when you come back, when you come, inshallah, into the UK, yeah, that when I talk about
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the issue of the polygamy, like, sister, yeah, I'm like, look, I understand.
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Even the best, the mother, the believers, yes, they were jealous, etc.
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But the point is this, if your husband, just off topic, gets married again, he's still
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in your life, you're still alive, the second wife is still alive, hopefully if you don't
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But for a man, for example, when he goes to war, there is a possibility, and we men have
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Our ghira is to such a level that even if we're giving our daughters' hand in marriage,
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inside we're like, even if marriage is halal, but we're inside like, it's both, it's halal,
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So imagine us going to war knowing I might die, have a limb cut off, I don't know, have
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Or, if I die, you are going to marry somebody else.
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Why do you think the concept of khura al-ayn is given to men?
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Because it's something for us to at least be motivated towards.
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Because my wife's going to get married to somebody else, my kids are going to be gone,
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all these elements, Allah says, khura al-ayn, okay, yalla.
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Can the true understanding of who you are, as everything, right?
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As a man, as a woman, as a daughter, a son, a husband, a wife, a brother, an imam, a servant,
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Can our natural understanding of that role be corrupted?
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And what we need to understand, and I hope that we can try within our community,
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is to clock on before the damage that has happened to Western society happens to us.
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People do not think that because we say Quran and Sunnah,
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we're not on the same train as the rest of society.
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The only thing is, we're just holding on to the brakes.
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We're trying to hold on to the brakes, but there's people who are like,
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Is it okay for a woman to say, my husband honoured me when he married me?
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Is it okay to say, I'm grateful that I am my husband's wife?
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Is it okay to say, my husband blessed me with children because of him, I have these children?
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Because if you feel some sort of resistance, then you've got some work to do.
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For a decent man to decide to commit to you and partner with you as his wife
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and go out there day in, day out, whatever he's doing,
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Thinking of only you and those kids and that house, right?
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Fighting whatever battles he needs to fight because of you and those kids.
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Even without the date night, even without the lovey-dovey TikToks,
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So, you know, like, for example, sisters think buying flowers.
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this guy, when he leaves the house to the moment he comes back,
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and if you saw, just because you don't visually see what he's doing,
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Like me, my friends, when we go out to provide,
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We don't go and say, okay, I'm going to work hard,
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Gratitude, gratitude makes the whole, you know,
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Allah says, if you are grateful, I will give you more.
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Keep Brother Ali out of the conversation for now.
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is this trend of sisters quitting their marriages.
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you have invested already several years in your education,
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if you'd invest the next five to ten years in your career,
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if you invested the next 10 to 15 years of your life in a family,
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while you're nice and young and fresh and full of energy,
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and you should have prepared for that day before,
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it's like somebody's giving her gold on a plate,
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all the smoke is going to get out of the females,