Ali Dawah - December 03, 2020MESSAGE TO JEONGWON ON LEAVING
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about the reasons why I left Islam and how it relates to the Dawud Khadijah controversy. We also talk about why I decided to leave Islam and the reasons behind my decision to leave.
Transcript
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okay hello today so i'm gonna talk about the reason that i left islam so i was really
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confused really shocked so i was trying to say the right thing but i became like a criminal
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so i decided to leave islam that's the reason why see
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products assalamualaikum warahmatullahi barakatuh brothers and sisters how are you doing alhamdulillah
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i'm good ali it's good how are you it's a pleasure to have you now the lockdown is over alhamdulillah we
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can hug each other yes nice yes now can get off me now please okay so i watched the video somebody
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listen to me and he's given his reasons why he left islam and i realized that when i watched it
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that it is pertaining to what happened with brother dawud kim and the whole controversy and the you
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know the mistake that he did may allah forgive him inshallah and this actually connects well me saying
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may allah forgive him actually connects to why he left islam wow so let's actually watch it for
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ourselves and understand where this brother is coming from inshallah yeah and maybe answer those
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doubts if he's watching this i'm sure he's going to be watching this inshallah and let's come to a
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a common understanding because sometimes shaytan comes and and deceives us in certain ways i'm
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especially i'm reading a book called the deception of shaytan it's quite interesting you need to read
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it yeah yeah yes so let's watch it and let's see what was the reason why he left okay hello today so
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i'm gonna talk about the reason that i left islam this is just my personal opinion and this is my
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experiences so i hope you can understand so he does mention that it is his experiences yeah so he's
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talking about personal experience after a youtuber incident happened i just really shocked because i i
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didn't know that every crime every commitment can be justified after became muslim
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okay so he mentioned something very um i think when this whole issue happened with the dawul kim
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etc when you saw that wasn't you disturbed yeah yeah of course when okay people were talking yes so
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when i saw it obviously i was disturbed in the context of okay it was wrong yeah what was done and
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when he came and admitted it because it's time of you have to be very that's when it started hitting the
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fan and then people so now what he's saying is that he's saying he he had a problem within his
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inner self that how is it that in islam something like this can just be forgiven yeah now is that the
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case in islam that for example when you come to islam we know we tell our reverse all your sins are
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white but we do say that for example like there's three conditions for someone repenting so there's uh
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three conditions if you commit a sin but there's four conditions if you wrong someone so if you make a sin against
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yourself you have to repent hate it and don't go back to it try you vow to not go back to it
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the fourth conditions what we are told is what that if you have wronged someone else you have to ask
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for their forgiveness so what he's saying that do you think maybe the brother himself misunderstood
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that when we come and say to reverse okay all your sins are forgiven that if i stole from someone
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i'm not going to be like oh i just became a muslim but i don't know anything or you know what i
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punch you in the face i'm a muslim now it doesn't work like that is that right or no well to be honest
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i mean islam is a practical religion yes whether whether people agree with it or not whether people
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like it or not and practically speaking people are sinners they do stuff especially outside of islam i
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mean even companions they used to do drinking alcohol also burying their daughters alive but if
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you have this concept that you know sins aren't going to be forgiven then there's no hope you you're
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left in a pit of hopelessness very valid so yes you do need to be there needs to be some sort of
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consequence and we're obviously living in non-muslim land so if you have raped somebody or something's
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happened then naturally the police will get involved and that's that's the law that we're governed
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if it if it was yeah okay let's watch i'm gonna i don't know yeah and i didn't know that it was wrong
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thing which is uh i revealed the truth about my brother so in islam revealing bad truth about brother
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is very big sin i sense from the brother is the following i might be wrong i feel like this and
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it's a bit emotional in the context i'm not disregarding but i feel like he's hurt he's like hold on a
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second i found this out or i don't know who brought it out to the public but i don't know if he was
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involved i don't know the situation but he's saying oh okay oh i was a very bad person then i guess i'm
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so sorry for doing that what we're saying is when we submit submit our will to allah we have to abide
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by the laws allah has legislated yeah we might logically think no that's the right thing to do
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but when it comes to islam pertaining to islam like like ali said yeah if
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it was that is logic we would wipe underneath our socks not on top of it so the thing is there's
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some things you have to put trust in allah and his messenger so what he's saying is he's saying
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that okay i got like it seems like he got attacked because he came out with this and he was condemning
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um what the would did so he's thinking okay so i'm now to blame because i think it's confusing two
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things bro we're saying look what you have done now islamically should have you come up with it i
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don't know about that but you're not liking what he did and you're wanting him to maybe get punished
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for what he did that's not wrong per se that's not wrong islam doesn't say you're not allowed to
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believe what he did is wrong you're not allowed to no no no nobody's saying that what we're saying
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is don't confuse two things islam has a legend if that happened in an islamic country run by the
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sharia daud came because he attempted something he didn't do i'm trying to understand where he's
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coming from because islamically you've misinterpreted something and you've made it seem as if he's totally
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forgiven which is not the case in the context of yes if he repented but if he lived in the and
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uh the land uh the islamic land there would have been a prescribed punishment whatever it may be
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so i'm just sensing that there's some kind of a he's hurt like the people that have commented and i
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think you got a lot of hate in the comments i think that's interesting because uh your videos are
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rubbish thank you and uh you shut down your channel okay nice you get comments like that
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isn't it oh yes no no but have you have you shut down your channel no do you stop doing your videos
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no uh some people they can handle hate some people they can't handle hate and the muslim community
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because we're in the muslim community we know especially amongst the orthodox crowd they can be a
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bit rough around the edges and it's just something that you know it's it's unfortunate but you just
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get used to it you can't blame islam because of the people exactly there's all kinds of people and
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some of them yeah like you know and daoud has uh was he had like a million subscribers he had a big
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regular following and for you to naturally speak against somebody like that we've seen it with other
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youtubers that we're not mentioning names but when you speak against them or when somebody else speaks
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against them their crowd comes whether they're right or wrong yes because they can't handle those
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two conflicting thoughts exactly the cognitive dissonance exactly and sometimes it's a big word
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that is mashallah i feel like i'm seeing with hijab the point is this yeah sometimes
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sometimes you have to i've learned this in my life here as a muslim look if it was for muslims i
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would have left islam a long time ago what certain muslims have done to me yeah and from all angles yeah
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okay okay what they've done to me i could have left islam yeah but the point is i have to sometimes
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say you know what i think it's time for me to turn to the kitab of allah yeah i need to divorce the
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muslims from islam sometimes and i had to do that for my own sanity because i'm looking i know where
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it's coming from i understand but does it justify for you to um leave islam yeah and there's a very
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specific verse in surah an qabut yeah uh which inshallah we're going to read in a minute because it's so
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profound and if the brothers watching this please we're coming from a place of love we're not here look you want to
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to leave islam you want that's up to you at the moment it doesn't seem like the reasons yeah
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they can hold to academic rigor exactly yeah they're a bit you know i think you can speak to
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somebody of knowledge or you can retrace your steps leaving an entire way of life i think it's a bit of
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a it's it's a rash decision yeah take your time analyze the things again it seems like it could be
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because you try to genuinely thanks for that it could be uh genuinely because you thought somebody
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was doing something wrong and then so many people came out but there's many reasons for that it could
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be because of his fan following it could be because people didn't you know know you maybe you misarticulated
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your your argument or maybe people only watch the start of the video there's so many reasons my bro
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it doesn't mean that because of that allah now stops existing or the prophet's message evaporated
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into thin air that allah is still there the message is still there yes the way people have interpreted that
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message or the way that message has permeated their souls uh is is is different it varies from person to
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person so i was really confused really shocked so i was trying to say the right thing but i became like a
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criminal and every youtuber defend him and even though he admitted he did bad things which is not a
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small thing it's a big thing actually and no one is thinking about the victim i think look i'm one of the
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youtubers that done a video and i addressed the issue um because there was it was a double sword and if
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someone can repent imagine you turning away someone and this is why it's very fundamental because if it was
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up to mankind like me and you actually we would finish people off well i know some people the s pubs
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well like they would what one mistake they think i don't finish i i sometimes thank allah that these
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certain muslims were like if they were my judge i'm finished i thank allah i think that allah is going
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to judge me because i'm like if you judge me you would cut me into pieces slice by slice
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so the question is that hamdulillah it shows that with the brother he's has a concern but it's as if he's
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saying like you know someone shouldn't be forgiven and we're like that's not fair and the thing is you
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know when you've done something wrong yeah you get forgiven yes there's a victim and yes there's a due
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process but the thing is think about it islam is so amazing that it's protecting more victims from
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emerging because a person having hope and a person being forgiven they're more likely to rectify
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themselves the person is not forgiven they're going to continue there's going to be more victims
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because there's a sense of hopelessness oh i've done it now i'm not going to get forgiven i might as
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well carry on now there's a story of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam about from bani israel
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about the man who killed 99 people and he wanted forgiveness and he went to the monk and the monk
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said you're not going to be forgiven he said well i might as well kill you yeah you know so how when
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people lose hope so what we're just trying to say here is that people should be forgiven and like
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allah says in the quran for those kasas for example you kill somebody either an eye for an eye
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either blood money and allah says it's best for you to forgive and the thing is yeah i want to say one other
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thing which is don't learn your islam from comments on youtube on on a drama i mean the deen you can't
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reduce the deen to such a a kind of cheap charade yeah there's there's an entire academic rigour
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background spirituality 1400 years worth of tradition you can't just i've had some muslims come and say
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oh okay they have issues they message us frets me hijab i'm gonna come and do and he's a muslim i think
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you deserve it ali so i was considering is this really right path for me and people always give me
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advices and then i gave them advices positively then i became asshole i just couldn't understand all of this
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i i rather want to become an honest person rather than lying liar see this is where he's trying to
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say i rather become honest than lying so what he's trying to say i think it's coming from a good place
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he's saying look i was just being honest i was being sincere to myself i was trying to stick up for
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someone that's being wrong and if i'm going to be attacked i don't want to be a part of you we're
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saying look that's all well and good i don't doubt you was honest i don't doubt you sincere i don't
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doubt that you genuinely cared about the victim but what we're saying is that do not conflate that
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because when you say that okay that's islam to me honesty sincerity caring about others okay that's
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islam islam islam all over the prophet peace be upon him said moving a harmful object from the road
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is the lowest part of the iman yeah um subhanallah being sincere honest the prophet said believer is
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anything but a liar the person said a believer is anything but a liar you're not allowed to lie
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so i don't want this brother to feel like these are two opposites like okay i had to leave islam to
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become sincere and honest and truthful no this is islam but please don't judge it by people yeah
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so i decided to leave islam that's the reason why see yeah but genuinely brother if you're watching
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this all you look i said it's your life brother you can whatever you want to do you want to leave go
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whatever you want to do but the question that i want to ask and i want to finish with this uh verse in
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the quran because it's very very powerful yeah and we want that inshallah let's let's let's listen to
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that recitation from muhammad hijab and come back inshallah
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ahudhu billahi minash shaytanir wajim bismillahir rahmanir rahim aliflamim
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ahasib annaas u ay yutraku an yakuulu amanna wahu la yuf tanun
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وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ فَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ الْكَاذِبِينَ
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أَمْ حَسِبَ الَّذِينَ يَعْمَلُونَ السَّيِّئَاتِ أَيْ يَسْبِقُونَ سَاءَ مَا يَحْكُمُونَ
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مَنْ كَانَ يَرُجُوا لِقَاءَ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ أَجَلَ اللَّهِ لَآتْ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمِ
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وَمَنْ جَاهَدَ فَإِنَّ مَا يُجَاهِدُ لِنَفْسِهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَغَنِيٌ عَنِ الْعَالَمِينَ
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So guys, you heard that from Baba Muhammad Hijab, Alhamdulillah may Allah preserve him, beautiful recitation.
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Let's read it in English so we can understand inshallah, yeah?
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So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran, and I think this is a beautiful way to finish this video.
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Allah, this is amazing what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran.
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Do people think that they will be left at ease only of their saying would believe and would not be put to test?
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Do you think you're going to say, لا إلا الله will not be tested?
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Indeed, we have tested those who were before them.
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So Allah will surely know the ones who are truthful, and He will surely know the ones who are liars.
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And I will say to myself, Ali, deep down, I know Allah exists.
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He's looking in the mirror and saying, you're lying to yourself.
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The Quran is the book from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
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So what I said is, I said, look, it's time to divorce that Muslim from Islam.
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I said, I need to go back to the book of Allah.
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And you should never tie your happiness to individuals.
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Among men, there are those who say, we believe in Allah.
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But when they are persecuted in the way of Allah,
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they take the persecution of men as equal to the punishment of Allah.
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It is not that Allah knows well what lies in the hearts of the people of the world.
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Because it's saying, you're taking the persecution and the wrongdoings of man,
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mankind, like the same of Allah's, what Allah would,
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So what we're just saying is, brothers and sisters, in a nutshell,
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And brother, if you're watching this, maybe just re-evaluate.
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I mean, to be honest, it sounds like we have all the time in the world
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and we can afford to play around with these decisions.
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And then you don't want to be in a position where you start saying, what if?
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And regret is one of the strongest and most difficult emotions to overcome.
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And we're actually saying, look, there's no benefit to me if you stay or you go, or to Ali.
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We're just saying, look, please, for the sake of your akhira, do what is in your hands.
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Like sometimes people in my family members say, oh, you see that Muslim ruler, this Muslim etc.
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I'm like, look, I say to my family members, when I stand in front of Allah, Allah's not going to ask me about him.
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I know how hard it is to have a straight face with you, but you really did.
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And we want to thank Mahmoud Hijab for his beautiful recitation.