Ali Dawah - MESSAGE TO JEONGWON ON LEAVING

00:00:00.160 okay hello today so i'm gonna talk about the reason that i left islam so i was really

00:00:08.240 confused really shocked so i was trying to say the right thing but i became like a criminal

00:00:16.080 so i decided to leave islam that's the reason why see 0.99

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00:00:38.720 products assalamualaikum warahmatullahi barakatuh brothers and sisters how are you doing alhamdulillah

00:00:44.000 i'm good ali it's good how are you it's a pleasure to have you now the lockdown is over alhamdulillah we

00:00:47.600 can hug each other yes nice yes now can get off me now please okay so i watched the video somebody

00:00:54.000 listen to me and he's given his reasons why he left islam and i realized that when i watched it

00:00:59.920 that it is pertaining to what happened with brother dawud kim and the whole controversy and the you

00:01:04.160 know the mistake that he did may allah forgive him inshallah and this actually connects well me saying

00:01:09.120 may allah forgive him actually connects to why he left islam wow so let's actually watch it for 0.92

00:01:13.280 ourselves and understand where this brother is coming from inshallah yeah and maybe answer those

00:01:17.840 doubts if he's watching this i'm sure he's going to be watching this inshallah and let's come to a

00:01:20.640 a common understanding because sometimes shaytan comes and and deceives us in certain ways i'm

00:01:24.960 especially i'm reading a book called the deception of shaytan it's quite interesting you need to read

00:01:27.920 it yeah yeah yes so let's watch it and let's see what was the reason why he left okay hello today so

00:01:34.800 i'm gonna talk about the reason that i left islam this is just my personal opinion and this is my

00:01:43.440 experiences so i hope you can understand so he does mention that it is his experiences yeah so he's

00:01:51.360 talking about personal experience after a youtuber incident happened i just really shocked because i i

00:02:00.720 didn't know that every crime every commitment can be justified after became muslim 1.00

00:02:10.080 okay so he mentioned something very um i think when this whole issue happened with the dawul kim

00:02:17.840 etc when you saw that wasn't you disturbed yeah yeah of course when okay people were talking yes so

00:02:24.080 when i saw it obviously i was disturbed in the context of okay it was wrong yeah what was done and

00:02:28.800 when he came and admitted it because it's time of you have to be very that's when it started hitting the

00:02:32.720 fan and then people so now what he's saying is that he's saying he he had a problem within his

00:02:38.560 inner self that how is it that in islam something like this can just be forgiven yeah now is that the 0.57

00:02:46.480 case in islam that for example when you come to islam we know we tell our reverse all your sins are 0.99

00:02:50.880 white but we do say that for example like there's three conditions for someone repenting so there's uh

00:02:56.720 three conditions if you commit a sin but there's four conditions if you wrong someone so if you make a sin against

00:03:02.320 yourself you have to repent hate it and don't go back to it try you vow to not go back to it

00:03:08.080 the fourth conditions what we are told is what that if you have wronged someone else you have to ask

00:03:14.080 for their forgiveness so what he's saying that do you think maybe the brother himself misunderstood

00:03:19.600 that when we come and say to reverse okay all your sins are forgiven that if i stole from someone

00:03:24.720 i'm not going to be like oh i just became a muslim but i don't know anything or you know what i 0.95

00:03:28.240 punch you in the face i'm a muslim now it doesn't work like that is that right or no well to be honest 1.00

00:03:34.080 i mean islam is a practical religion yes whether whether people agree with it or not whether people 0.99

00:03:39.040 like it or not and practically speaking people are sinners they do stuff especially outside of islam i 0.99

00:03:45.680 mean even companions they used to do drinking alcohol also burying their daughters alive but if

00:03:52.800 you have this concept that you know sins aren't going to be forgiven then there's no hope you you're

00:03:57.680 left in a pit of hopelessness very valid so yes you do need to be there needs to be some sort of 0.96

00:04:03.760 consequence and we're obviously living in non-muslim land so if you have raped somebody or something's

00:04:09.040 happened then naturally the police will get involved and that's that's the law that we're governed

00:04:13.760 if it if it was yeah okay let's watch i'm gonna i don't know yeah and i didn't know that it was wrong

00:04:19.600 thing which is uh i revealed the truth about my brother so in islam revealing bad truth about brother 0.84

00:04:30.400 is very big sin i sense from the brother is the following i might be wrong i feel like this and

00:04:35.840 it's a bit emotional in the context i'm not disregarding but i feel like he's hurt he's like hold on a

00:04:40.640 second i found this out or i don't know who brought it out to the public but i don't know if he was

00:04:46.080 involved i don't know the situation but he's saying oh okay oh i was a very bad person then i guess i'm

00:04:50.320 so sorry for doing that what we're saying is when we submit submit our will to allah we have to abide

00:04:55.040 by the laws allah has legislated yeah we might logically think no that's the right thing to do

00:04:59.680 but when it comes to islam pertaining to islam like like ali said yeah if

00:05:03.840 it was that is logic we would wipe underneath our socks not on top of it so the thing is there's

00:05:07.440 some things you have to put trust in allah and his messenger so what he's saying is he's saying

00:05:11.280 that okay i got like it seems like he got attacked because he came out with this and he was condemning

00:05:15.920 um what the would did so he's thinking okay so i'm now to blame because i think it's confusing two

00:05:22.320 things bro we're saying look what you have done now islamically should have you come up with it i 0.54

00:05:28.400 don't know about that but you're not liking what he did and you're wanting him to maybe get punished

00:05:34.080 for what he did that's not wrong per se that's not wrong islam doesn't say you're not allowed to

00:05:38.880 believe what he did is wrong you're not allowed to no no no nobody's saying that what we're saying

00:05:42.960 is don't confuse two things islam has a legend if that happened in an islamic country run by the

00:05:48.960 sharia daud came because he attempted something he didn't do i'm trying to understand where he's

00:05:55.040 coming from because islamically you've misinterpreted something and you've made it seem as if he's totally

00:06:01.200 forgiven which is not the case in the context of yes if he repented but if he lived in the and

00:06:06.880 uh the land uh the islamic land there would have been a prescribed punishment whatever it may be 0.99

00:06:12.400 so i'm just sensing that there's some kind of a he's hurt like the people that have commented and i

00:06:18.080 think you got a lot of hate in the comments i think that's interesting because uh your videos are

00:06:22.880 rubbish thank you and uh you shut down your channel okay nice you get comments like that 0.92

00:06:29.520 isn't it oh yes no no but have you have you shut down your channel no do you stop doing your videos 0.99

00:06:38.720 no uh some people they can handle hate some people they can't handle hate and the muslim community

00:06:44.880 because we're in the muslim community we know especially amongst the orthodox crowd they can be a

00:06:50.640 bit rough around the edges and it's just something that you know it's it's unfortunate but you just

00:06:55.920 get used to it you can't blame islam because of the people exactly there's all kinds of people and

00:07:01.040 some of them yeah like you know and daoud has uh was he had like a million subscribers he had a big

00:07:07.120 regular following and for you to naturally speak against somebody like that we've seen it with other

00:07:13.120 youtubers that we're not mentioning names but when you speak against them or when somebody else speaks

00:07:18.080 against them their crowd comes whether they're right or wrong yes because they can't handle those

00:07:23.040 two conflicting thoughts exactly the cognitive dissonance exactly and sometimes it's a big word

00:07:28.160 that is mashallah i feel like i'm seeing with hijab the point is this yeah sometimes

00:07:34.960 sometimes you have to i've learned this in my life here as a muslim look if it was for muslims i

00:07:39.280 would have left islam a long time ago what certain muslims have done to me yeah and from all angles yeah 0.99

00:07:44.960 okay okay what they've done to me i could have left islam yeah but the point is i have to sometimes 0.99

00:07:48.880 say you know what i think it's time for me to turn to the kitab of allah yeah i need to divorce the

00:07:52.800 muslims from islam sometimes and i had to do that for my own sanity because i'm looking i know where

00:07:57.120 it's coming from i understand but does it justify for you to um leave islam yeah and there's a very

00:08:02.960 specific verse in surah an qabut yeah uh which inshallah we're going to read in a minute because it's so

00:08:07.840 profound and if the brothers watching this please we're coming from a place of love we're not here look you want to

00:08:11.920 to leave islam you want that's up to you at the moment it doesn't seem like the reasons yeah

00:08:19.040 they can hold to academic rigor exactly yeah they're a bit you know i think you can speak to

00:08:25.760 somebody of knowledge or you can retrace your steps leaving an entire way of life i think it's a bit of

00:08:31.200 a it's it's a rash decision yeah take your time analyze the things again it seems like it could be

00:08:37.760 because you try to genuinely thanks for that it could be uh genuinely because you thought somebody

00:08:43.360 was doing something wrong and then so many people came out but there's many reasons for that it could

00:08:47.760 be because of his fan following it could be because people didn't you know know you maybe you misarticulated

00:08:54.880 your your argument or maybe people only watch the start of the video there's so many reasons my bro

00:08:59.920 it doesn't mean that because of that allah now stops existing or the prophet's message evaporated

00:09:06.000 into thin air that allah is still there the message is still there yes the way people have interpreted that

00:09:10.960 message or the way that message has permeated their souls uh is is is different it varies from person to

00:09:18.400 person so i was really confused really shocked so i was trying to say the right thing but i became like a

00:09:28.800 criminal and every youtuber defend him and even though he admitted he did bad things which is not a

00:09:39.920 small thing it's a big thing actually and no one is thinking about the victim i think look i'm one of the

00:09:47.440 youtubers that done a video and i addressed the issue um because there was it was a double sword and if

00:09:53.040 someone can repent imagine you turning away someone and this is why it's very fundamental because if it was

00:09:57.920 up to mankind like me and you actually we would finish people off well i know some people the s pubs

00:10:03.360 well like they would what one mistake they think i don't finish i i sometimes thank allah that these

00:10:08.320 certain muslims were like if they were my judge i'm finished i thank allah i think that allah is going 0.85

00:10:12.240 to judge me because i'm like if you judge me you would cut me into pieces slice by slice

00:10:18.320 so the question is that hamdulillah it shows that with the brother he's has a concern but it's as if he's

00:10:25.040 saying like you know someone shouldn't be forgiven and we're like that's not fair and the thing is you

00:10:28.480 know when you've done something wrong yeah you get forgiven yes there's a victim and yes there's a due

00:10:32.880 process but the thing is think about it islam is so amazing that it's protecting more victims from

00:10:39.200 emerging because a person having hope and a person being forgiven they're more likely to rectify

00:10:44.720 themselves the person is not forgiven they're going to continue there's going to be more victims

00:10:49.680 because there's a sense of hopelessness oh i've done it now i'm not going to get forgiven i might as

00:10:53.760 well carry on now there's a story of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam about from bani israel

00:10:57.120 about the man who killed 99 people and he wanted forgiveness and he went to the monk and the monk

00:11:00.800 said you're not going to be forgiven he said well i might as well kill you yeah you know so how when 0.74

00:11:04.560 people lose hope so what we're just trying to say here is that people should be forgiven and like 0.98

00:11:10.240 allah says in the quran for those kasas for example you kill somebody either an eye for an eye 1.00

00:11:15.840 either blood money and allah says it's best for you to forgive and the thing is yeah i want to say one other

00:11:20.720 thing which is don't learn your islam from comments on youtube on on a drama i mean the deen you can't 0.58

00:11:28.800 reduce the deen to such a a kind of cheap charade yeah there's there's an entire academic rigour

00:11:35.600 background spirituality 1400 years worth of tradition you can't just i've had some muslims come and say

00:11:42.480 oh okay they have issues they message us frets me hijab i'm gonna come and do and he's a muslim i think

00:11:48.320 you deserve it ali so i was considering is this really right path for me and people always give me 0.81

00:11:59.360 advices and then i gave them advices positively then i became asshole i just couldn't understand all of this 0.67

00:12:09.840 i i rather want to become an honest person rather than lying liar see this is where he's trying to 0.87

00:12:18.720 say i rather become honest than lying so what he's trying to say i think it's coming from a good place

00:12:22.400 he's saying look i was just being honest i was being sincere to myself i was trying to stick up for

00:12:26.800 someone that's being wrong and if i'm going to be attacked i don't want to be a part of you we're

00:12:31.200 saying look that's all well and good i don't doubt you was honest i don't doubt you sincere i don't

00:12:36.560 doubt that you genuinely cared about the victim but what we're saying is that do not conflate that

00:12:41.520 because when you say that okay that's islam to me honesty sincerity caring about others okay that's

00:12:45.600 islam islam islam all over the prophet peace be upon him said moving a harmful object from the road 1.00

00:12:50.320 is the lowest part of the iman yeah um subhanallah being sincere honest the prophet said believer is

00:12:56.880 anything but a liar the person said a believer is anything but a liar you're not allowed to lie

00:13:02.320 so i don't want this brother to feel like these are two opposites like okay i had to leave islam to

00:13:06.960 become sincere and honest and truthful no this is islam but please don't judge it by people yeah

00:13:14.000 so i decided to leave islam that's the reason why see yeah but genuinely brother if you're watching

00:13:20.320 this all you look i said it's your life brother you can whatever you want to do you want to leave go

00:13:25.440 whatever you want to do but the question that i want to ask and i want to finish with this uh verse in

00:13:29.600 the quran because it's very very powerful yeah and we want that inshallah let's let's let's listen to

00:13:34.880 that recitation from muhammad hijab and come back inshallah 0.54

00:13:37.280 ahudhu billahi minash shaytanir wajim bismillahir rahmanir rahim aliflamim

00:13:50.800 ahasib annaas u ay yutraku an yakuulu amanna wahu la yuf tanun

00:14:01.600 وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ فَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ الْكَاذِبِينَ

00:14:15.280 أَمْ حَسِبَ الَّذِينَ يَعْمَلُونَ السَّيِّئَاتِ أَيْ يَسْبِقُونَ سَاءَ مَا يَحْكُمُونَ

00:14:29.600 مَنْ كَانَ يَرُجُوا لِقَاءَ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ أَجَلَ اللَّهِ لَآتْ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمِ

00:14:42.860 وَمَنْ جَاهَدَ فَإِنَّ مَا يُجَاهِدُ لِنَفْسِهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَغَنِيٌ عَنِ الْعَالَمِينَ

00:14:53.600 So guys, you heard that from Baba Muhammad Hijab, Alhamdulillah may Allah preserve him, beautiful recitation.

00:14:57.680 Let's read it in English so we can understand inshallah, yeah?

00:15:00.320 So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran, and I think this is a beautiful way to finish this video.

00:15:03.880 Allah, this is amazing what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran.

00:15:07.760 Do people think that they will be left at ease only of their saying would believe and would not be put to test?

00:15:13.160 Look, Allah's talking, yeah? 0.99

00:15:14.960 Do you think you're going to say, لا إلا الله will not be tested?

00:15:17.380 Third verse.

00:15:17.900 Indeed, we have tested those who were before them.

00:15:20.700 So Allah will surely know the ones who are truthful, and He will surely know the ones who are liars.

00:15:26.060 You are going to be tested.

00:15:27.040 And I will say to myself, Ali, deep down, I know Allah exists.

00:15:30.720 I can't deny that.

00:15:31.440 He's lying to my face.

00:15:32.140 He's looking in the mirror and saying, you're lying to yourself.

00:15:34.820 I know Allah exists.

00:15:35.820 I know Islam is the truth. 0.87

00:15:36.960 I know the Prophet ﷺ is the Prophet ﷺ, yeah?

00:15:39.760 The Quran is the book from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

00:15:41.900 I cannot live in a lie. 0.54

00:15:45.240 So what I said is, I said, look, it's time to divorce that Muslim from Islam. 1.00

00:15:49.220 And what I would do is go back to the Quran. 1.00

00:15:50.780 I said, I need to go back to the book of Allah. 1.00

00:15:51.940 Because these people are letting me down.

00:15:53.760 And you should never tie your happiness to individuals.

00:15:56.540 Among men, there are those who say, we believe in Allah.

00:15:59.120 But when they are persecuted in the way of Allah,

00:16:01.060 they take the persecution of men as equal to the punishment of Allah.

00:16:06.500 And should any help come from your Lord,

00:16:09.380 they will certainly say, we were with you.

00:16:11.540 It is not that Allah knows well what lies in the hearts of the people of the world.

00:16:15.540 Subhanahu wa ta'ala.

00:16:16.140 This is so powerful.

00:16:16.960 Because it's saying, you're taking the persecution and the wrongdoings of man,

00:16:20.820 mankind, like the same of Allah's, what Allah would, 0.99

00:16:25.820 sorry, wrongdoings, man.

00:16:27.000 Equating it with Allah's punishment. 0.68

00:16:28.120 Yes, exactly.

00:16:28.920 So what we're just saying is, brothers and sisters, in a nutshell,

00:16:31.240 all I can say is, we're going to be tested.

00:16:34.260 And brother, if you're watching this, maybe just re-evaluate.

00:16:36.560 Take your time out.

00:16:37.600 And like I said, the choice is yours.

00:16:38.840 Nobody can stop you.

00:16:39.660 But that's all I have to say, I think.

00:16:41.720 Is there anything you'd like to end on?

00:16:42.840 Yeah.

00:16:43.680 I mean, to be honest, it sounds like we have all the time in the world

00:16:49.560 and we can afford to play around with these decisions.

00:16:52.560 But when these eyes close and these eyes open,

00:16:56.380 that's when we'll see the actual reality.

00:16:58.740 And then you don't want to be in a position where you start saying, what if?

00:17:01.920 And I wish I could go back.

00:17:03.320 And regret is one of the strongest and most difficult emotions to overcome.

00:17:09.860 And we're actually saying, look, there's no benefit to me if you stay or you go, or to Ali.

00:17:15.520 We're just saying, look, please, for the sake of your akhira, do what is in your hands. 0.98

00:17:21.900 I'll just end with this here.

00:17:23.180 Like sometimes people in my family members say, oh, you see that Muslim ruler, this Muslim etc.

00:17:29.160 He's like this, he's like, he's a Muslim.

00:17:30.600 I'm like, look, I say to my family members, when I stand in front of Allah, Allah's not going to ask me about him. 0.93

00:17:36.980 I'm going to answer about myself.

00:17:39.660 It was a pleasure.

00:17:40.540 May Allah bless you, inshallah.

00:17:41.960 I know how hard it is to have a straight face with you, but you really did.

00:17:44.700 We have to admire that.

00:17:45.820 Yeah, I worked very hard.

00:17:46.980 Very difficult.

00:17:49.000 And we want to thank Mahmoud Hijab for his beautiful recitation.

00:17:51.900 Till next time, brothers and sisters, goodbye.

Ali Dawah - December 03, 2020

MESSAGE TO JEONGWON ON LEAVING

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