Ali Dawah - MUSLIM BURNING FLAG ESCALATES TO DEBATE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH

00:00:00.000 i'm gonna go to the town center and i'm gonna get a british flag i'm gonna put petrol over it

00:00:04.440 and i'm gonna install the flag and i'm gonna insult churchill 0.53

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00:00:19.160 salaam10 for 10% of their products okay guys so basically what's your name kev kev came here

00:00:27.000 and he said ali wave the british flag now i said why do you need me to wave the british flag what's

00:00:33.460 the reason but i wanted to make a point he allowed me to use the flag with consent yeah okay i want to

00:00:38.180 ask you a question yeah i i used to live in a town called grimsby has everyone heard of grimsby

00:00:43.820 okay i used to live there i used to get into trouble in london before i came to islam i used to be involved

00:00:48.460 in gangs and stuff like that yeah i think you need to pay me royalties for this please sir yeah thank

00:00:52.600 you uh anyways so i used to live there for about five six years i used to get into a lot of fights

00:00:57.840 i used to be called p-a-k-i all day every day even though i'm kurdish yeah and so it's a very racist

00:01:03.780 town i used to get into fights day in day out if i go to grimsby and they are quite i would say 0.85

00:01:10.820 british nationalists you know they're proud if i have this flag and i set it on fire i set it on fire

00:01:17.980 i put petrol over it i set it on fire and i say i hate britain what would happen to me 0.98

00:01:24.200 angry what else what else do you think would happen to me i'll be attacked in what way like slapped

00:01:32.560 punched stabbed potentially potentially yeah yeah are they to blame or am i to blame

00:01:39.500 if that happened so if i went out my way okay okay so basically okay i i leave my i leave london i

00:01:51.560 travel all the way to north i'm like where is the most national british nationalist grimsby i'm gonna go

00:01:56.060 all the way to grimsby i'm gonna go to the town center and i'm gonna get a british flag i'm gonna put

00:02:00.820 petrol over it and i'm gonna insult the flag and i'm gonna insult churchill and i'm gonna say

00:02:05.700 i might who's to blame at this instance and i'm getting attacked imagine somebody comes to me

00:02:09.660 with a baseball bat yeah and they're attacking me are they to blame or am i to blame 1.00

00:02:13.740 technically so they are to blame technically but then my view would be why are you so stupid enough 1.00

00:02:25.960 to be sat there yes with a union jack and provoke people provoking people by burning why would you 0.99

00:02:31.760 do that that's a good question so the reason why i'm doing this question what's your name sir

00:02:35.620 tom tom how you doing tom you all right all right yes i like the swagger by the way yes i'm working

00:02:40.380 on mine but it's still in the process yes so now the question is the following freedom of speech does it

00:02:46.600 really exist does the formula when we apply it really work it doesn't and what happened is that

00:02:52.460 for example we have people who come and insult islam they insult the quran they insult the prophet

00:02:57.820 muhammad and people make it seem and by the way jack i'm sorry jack kev kev sorry kev yeah so the thing 0.84

00:03:03.900 is here people make it seem like it's exclusive to islam it's only the muslims that can't deal with

00:03:08.340 freedom of speech and we're like hold on a second if i went to peckham who's from peckham no i know you're

00:03:13.620 from peckham cameraman relax yourself dig up the ends if i you're from peckham yeah if i went to

00:03:18.120 peckham a black community and i had and i said i hate n-i-g-g-e-r-s do you think the people in 1.00

00:03:24.720 peckham will be like look mate you know you have a right to freedom of speech and we're gonna what

00:03:29.120 would happen to me i think there might be a drive-by i think there might be a little drive-by

00:03:33.680 let's be real here yeah the point is the following every community has individuals who might say look

00:03:40.080 like for example we have people come in and insult the prophet i ignore them i've got

00:03:43.420 that's hate i don't i don't want anything to do with that i do my thing but there are also people

00:03:47.660 in our community as muslims who would go and do something crazy that happened two weeks ago

00:03:52.000 right the question is this is it exclusive to islam no it's not because if i was to go to grimsby

00:03:58.540 a brit and and there was i don't know white mates to this day i have white mates yeah if i went to

00:04:03.180 them and i said i hate churchill church and i burnt the flag i'm not going to expect them to say

00:04:08.120 well ali you know we defend your freedom of speech of course you're not and we know what happened

00:04:11.740 at tommy robinson's march when me and mohammed hijab we nearly got killed yeah and we went and

00:04:15.860 okay okay all right let's i got punched we got punched let's say yeah let's say we got punched

00:04:20.760 yeah but if they had the means i think they wouldn't let us live the point is this and i was invited to

00:04:24.560 to tommy robinson's event it wasn't that i went there i didn't turn up like without being invited i

00:04:29.080 was invited to give it's a freedom of speech event but i was stopped because i'm a muslim the point

00:04:34.400 here is and the reason why i was stopped is because the fla the football lads alliance said to tommy

00:04:39.200 robinson if he goes up there he's not coming down yeah so the point here is the following that if 1.00

00:04:45.160 people are provoked there's you're an idiot i'll be an idiot to go to grimsby hold that flag and burn 1.00

00:04:50.060 it and i will be to blame and you said absolutely and i admire your honesty and this is what we need 1.00

00:04:55.280 to talk about here because people make it seem like it's only the muslims that get upset no we're not the

00:04:59.940 only people that get upset anyone would if this was a well it's not christian country anymore in that

00:05:04.780 in that sense there is a lot of atheism atheism if i went to russia they're quite christian orthodox

00:05:10.740 and i went and insulted the church i'm gonna get kicked in the face the point i'm trying to make 0.72

00:05:17.460 here is freedom of speech is a dream and in real life it doesn't exist would you agree

00:05:23.480 can you come here please sorry i've set the point yeah that if if you were to go to grimsby yeah and

00:05:38.500 burn a british flag yeah i need to get beaten up the people who are beating you up for doing a 0.82

00:05:42.320 morally legal however you want to conceptualize it yeah doing are doing a wrong action oh oh can 0.94

00:05:47.220 you can you move outside sorry sir come come here what an honor why is it honor am i the king

00:05:54.040 i'm a nobody yeah so why so why is it the case yeah that if someone else commits a wrong act yes that

00:06:00.520 justifies you doing the wrong like one one right no no it doesn't but that's my point what i'm saying

00:06:05.180 is i'm not saying just because someone else does i'm gonna do it i'm making a point here i would never

00:06:08.800 do that good good i would i would never do that no it's okay i can i would never do that my point

00:06:15.260 is the following way from i'm from edward edward your background you're british complicated you want

00:06:20.520 britain to be about british i'm not sure i'm not sure what that means okay neither do i i heard it

00:06:25.960 somewhere so the point is this year is if someone provokes a group of individuals yeah do we agree

00:06:33.140 that there'll be people who might come wait but we can we can separate between the kind of the fact

00:06:38.360 that there will be consequences we can separate from that where there should or shouldn't be

00:06:41.800 consequences no no no no the fact doesn't imply their fact doesn't imply a moral judgment no no

00:06:45.820 no but and then you're deriving moral judgment no no would there be an action to the to that

00:06:50.420 there would but that doesn't imply anything about what what that you have the right to do or not

00:06:53.900 no no i'm not saying i've never said they do i want to do it i'm not so so you're inferring

00:06:58.020 from you're inferring from kind of facts about how people behave in immoral ways facts about what

00:07:03.300 should and shouldn't happen well so you're so you're inferring from the actions of immoral people

00:07:07.720 what actions are moral or not and i take objection no no no what i'm saying is the following if a group

00:07:12.620 an individual here provokes a certain group of people and that person is attacked yes they have

00:07:20.500 provoked and they play a part in that because they've provoked it and that is nice the point is

00:07:26.180 the point is within some reasonable boundary exactly what that is we can have another people who carry the

00:07:31.900 attack don't follow the reasonable boundaries no no no right right but you're but what you're doing

00:07:34.740 further on in your arguments let me make sure i've understood your argument correctly so your

00:07:38.480 argument is is you you you you are certain and i and i think you're probably broadly on the money

00:07:43.920 here that if you were to go to x place and do y action which was in your legal moral rights legal

00:07:50.880 kind of ignore any distinction between legality morality for the purpose of this argument because

00:07:55.420 that's the same one you can do with another you're saying if we were to go to that situation and then

00:07:59.140 you were to get attacked you know so you're you're deriving from that that freedom of speech

00:08:03.960 shouldn't exist it doesn't it doesn't exist well no so but that that's not quite what freedom of

00:08:09.840 speech means what does it what does so so so what you're doing is you're you're deriving you're

00:08:14.540 deriving a fact from how immoral people behave in a way which we agree is wrong yes as in we

00:08:18.820 we all agree i think everybody would agree here however much we could have an argument about your

00:08:22.940 right to burn the flag or not we would agree that anyone who beat you up yeah on in virtue of that

00:08:27.700 has committed immorally it's a legal crime well so are we are we well it's a legal crime but

00:08:34.320 the application of freedom of speech do we see the effects of it working or not working you're

00:08:38.260 you're you're you're deriving moral facts from immoral people you're you're deriving facts about

00:08:42.220 the way the world should be from the way the world is but but not even from the way we have to we

00:08:47.120 have no but but you're not dealing you're not you're saying you're not deriving it from a fact

00:08:50.820 based upon how you think the world should morally be it is a fact you're deriving no you're you're

00:08:54.880 freedom of speech is a dream base not just a fact you're so you're so you're deriving what

00:08:59.980 you're doing is you're saying there are people who behave in ways we disagree with yes okay and

00:09:04.960 you're deriving from a fact about that the way you think the world should be and i don't see why

00:09:09.960 yeah yeah i don't see why you should i don't see why you should determine how you think the world

00:09:13.980 should be yeah based on people who you vehement no no no no we have to no surely the onus is on those

00:09:18.440 people to you should be your onus should be to make those people behave no no no so surely what you

00:09:23.620 should be looking that's dreaming surely what you should be looking towards is a world in which

00:09:27.960 people accept enough extent of freedom of speech to the extent that if they see you burning a

00:09:32.000 british flag their response is not and and freedom of speech does not mean the response

00:09:36.040 does not mean you you kind of have the right to then does not mean you have the right to not

00:09:40.320 have the consequence in terms of that someone can't have an argument with you about that

00:09:43.380 all we're saying all we're asking all you want is you you want you want the right to be able to

00:09:49.640 burn a flag or do some other provocative act and you just want to be not attacked i don't think

00:09:53.880 that's a dream i think the right that you can go into a product and then not be beaten up i think

00:09:57.520 it's that that is an absolute dream let me tell you something because hey how you doing okay

00:10:02.300 yeah good

00:10:03.600 i i think i think freedom of speech i think it's i think you have to unpick what you mean by that

00:10:11.400 no no no but in the first can i can i know because no one thinks sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir sir you

00:10:16.620 ask me a question let's not go somewhere let's not go somewhere give me one second

00:10:19.860 the point here is this look i would love a world where we hold hands like hippies run around 0.98

00:10:27.460 yeah i don't know go for a jog or whatever bruv that's a dream world and it's not that's not the

00:10:33.720 that's not the world you're looking at no no sir sir what's your name what's your name adam listen to me

00:10:36.860 please. I have to listen to you.

00:10:38.740 No, no, no. I have understood

00:10:40.740 you. But I don't know if you've understood

00:10:42.900 me. Because the thing is the following.

00:10:45.340 Freedom of speech is a

00:10:46.880 dream. The reason why it's a dream

00:10:49.060 is because we can see the consequences.

00:10:50.860 For example, Charlie Hebdo

00:10:52.660 drew the characters, character

00:10:54.820 shows of the prophet, right? Yes.

00:10:56.820 The whole world went on a mad one.

00:10:58.840 Like in the context where, that's their

00:11:00.820 freedom of speech.

00:11:02.620 Well, last week, somebody

00:11:04.940 drew Macron as

00:11:06.840 Hitler. And Hitler and 0.92

00:11:08.780 Macron is suing them.

00:11:10.960 Macron, the guy who's freedom of speech

00:11:12.980 advocate, is now suing

00:11:14.820 freedom of speech.

00:11:16.760 Freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to say

00:11:18.960 whatever you want in any context.

00:11:20.580 One second. Say that again. 0.53

00:11:23.000 No one's claiming that that's what freedom of speech is.

00:11:25.040 No one's claiming that freedom of speech

00:11:26.880 is the right to say whatever you want in any context.

00:11:28.460 If you can't say whatever you want, how is freedom of speech?

00:11:31.120 Well, we clearly agree.

00:11:32.500 In terms and conditions? There's limits. It's a freedom of speech.

00:11:35.080 Everything has limits. Okay, good. Now we're talking.

00:11:37.760 So we agree

00:11:39.380 that an incitement to violence

00:11:41.180 so there's lots of different ways

00:11:43.100 you can kind of do this.

00:11:45.040 The most obvious one is an incitement

00:11:47.260 to violence. So that is, if someone

00:11:49.220 stands up in Speaker's Corner and

00:11:51.140 says, not violence

00:11:53.200 incitement to violence.

00:11:54.500 Yeah, incitement to violence.

00:11:55.260 Yeah, so we agree that's wrong.

00:11:56.220 There's also

00:11:56.620 actions which kind of limit the...

00:11:59.040 So it depends exactly...

00:12:00.340 You can take a complicated view on exactly

00:12:02.060 why you think you want free speech

00:12:03.500 to be valuable.

00:12:04.300 Yeah.

00:12:04.560 So I would

00:12:05.320 typically take the view

00:12:07.580 that it's a necessary condition

00:12:09.260 for a functioning democracy.

00:12:10.920 And so that

00:12:11.300 kind of gives you some limits.

00:12:13.060 And so we can agree

00:12:13.940 that if you speak

00:12:15.520 in such a way

00:12:16.280 that it limits the ability

00:12:17.500 of others to speak freely

00:12:18.720 in the sense that you degrade

00:12:20.100 another population

00:12:20.920 or degrade another group.

00:12:22.300 So the most classic example

00:12:23.200 of this is racist behaviour.

00:12:25.200 So if you speak in a racist way

00:12:26.600 that's problematic

00:12:27.380 obviously because it's offensive.

00:12:28.500 Why is it problematic?

00:12:29.560 Well it's problematic

00:12:30.200 in a few different ways.

00:12:30.760 It's not inciting hatred.

00:12:31.800 Well no, so it's problematic.

00:12:32.960 So if you...

00:12:34.120 It's about to get horrible.

00:12:35.140 I might run.

00:12:36.260 So if it's problematic

00:12:37.520 so even if it's not

00:12:39.440 incitement to violence

00:12:40.280 so the reason why we want

00:12:41.540 free speech in the first place

00:12:42.540 is to have a functioning democracy.

00:12:44.200 And as part of that...

00:12:44.300 Free speech is used to

00:12:45.140 question the government.

00:12:46.340 Right, right, exactly.

00:12:47.080 And that's part of...

00:12:47.600 Right, right, right.

00:12:48.540 So let me explain.

00:12:49.320 So what's part of that

00:12:50.460 is you need

00:12:51.200 all the different groups

00:12:52.140 in society

00:12:52.820 to be able to have

00:12:53.600 an input into

00:12:54.180 the democratic process.

00:12:55.740 Okay, and so the problem is

00:12:56.920 if I say something racist

00:12:58.300 which then degrades

00:13:00.040 the ability of another group

00:13:01.320 in society

00:13:02.060 to say what they...

00:13:03.420 to express their opinion.

00:13:04.840 So if I was to say

00:13:05.980 all people of X group 1.00

00:13:07.460 are stupid 1.00

00:13:08.040 and I'm in a position 1.00

00:13:09.260 of such authority

00:13:10.220 I'm clearly not.

00:13:11.520 But if I was in such

00:13:12.600 a position of authorities

00:13:13.780 that all people

00:13:14.360 in group X 1.00

00:13:15.240 are stupid enough 1.00

00:13:16.300 such that their opinions 1.00

00:13:16.960 shouldn't be valued

00:13:17.800 in that...

00:13:18.920 So then if I can do that

00:13:20.420 enough times

00:13:20.960 and have enough impact

00:13:21.760 on enough people

00:13:22.320 then what I can do

00:13:23.160 is I can diminish

00:13:23.860 from the functioning

00:13:24.440 of democracy

00:13:25.060 because I can stop

00:13:26.220 that group from participating.

00:13:28.000 Okay, but in reality...

00:13:30.400 You get what I mean?

00:13:30.940 In practice...

00:13:31.540 You get what I mean?

00:13:32.240 But in practice...

00:13:34.240 Why do you disagree?

00:13:35.920 The point I'm making...

00:13:37.700 In practice

00:13:38.380 when you apply...

00:13:39.500 When you apply it

00:13:40.580 it doesn't work.

00:13:42.260 It does work.

00:13:42.640 Sir, I'm asking

00:13:43.240 a simple question.

00:13:43.980 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 You go to a... 0.98

00:13:46.420 Go to a black... 1.00

00:13:48.080 Predominantly black area. 1.00

00:13:49.580 I think you haven't 0.94

00:13:50.160 understood what I've said.

00:13:50.700 No, no, no.

00:13:51.180 I have but I think

00:13:52.240 we're talking about

00:13:52.660 a bit two separate things here.

00:13:53.920 You ask me why

00:13:54.640 these speeches were awful

00:13:55.840 I'd like to explain.

00:13:56.340 No, no, no.

00:13:56.980 That's fine.

00:13:57.440 Do you reject the explanation?

00:13:58.540 Okay, no, no, no.

00:14:00.020 No, no, no.

00:14:00.760 On the explanation

00:14:01.360 I'm just giving you

00:14:01.900 which bit you disagree with.

00:14:02.600 No, no, no.

00:14:03.120 You said, for example,

00:14:03.940 a person of a stature

00:14:05.860 makes a comment

00:14:06.880 about a group of people

00:14:07.880 to a certain extent

00:14:09.420 that they are disregarded.

00:14:10.500 That undermines democracy.

00:14:11.460 That undermines them, yes.

00:14:12.500 Okay.

00:14:12.900 That means that...

00:14:13.480 Can I ask you

00:14:13.860 do you believe in democracy?

00:14:15.020 No, I don't believe in democracy.

00:14:15.780 Why don't you believe in democracy?

00:14:16.280 I believe in Islamic law.

00:14:18.080 Why?

00:14:18.600 So...

00:14:19.320 Because what God's saying

00:14:19.980 I believe that's the best

00:14:20.620 for humankind.

00:14:21.560 What if you're wrong?

00:14:22.180 I believe that for myself.

00:14:23.460 No, if I'm...

00:14:23.960 You're wrong.

00:14:24.520 I have to be proven wrong.

00:14:25.640 I have to be proven wrong.

00:14:26.480 That's the good thing

00:14:27.020 about democracy.

00:14:27.540 I have to be proven wrong.

00:14:28.260 No, no, we can discuss it.

00:14:28.800 If I'm wrong,

00:14:29.200 there's the collection wrong.

00:14:29.940 No, no, we can prove it wrong.

00:14:30.800 But the point is this year,

00:14:31.580 we're talking about...

00:14:32.900 I'm a bit worried

00:14:33.600 about having a discussion

00:14:34.340 with someone

00:14:34.620 who doesn't believe in democracy.

00:14:35.380 No, no, no.

00:14:36.000 No, no, why not?

00:14:36.860 Why not?

00:14:37.280 It's my freedom of speech.

00:14:38.420 Well, of course it's your freedom of speech.

00:14:39.480 But you don't think

00:14:40.020 I just have the freedom of speech

00:14:41.040 to like democracy.

00:14:42.100 Well, as a Democrat,

00:14:43.000 I have to give you

00:14:43.580 the freedom of speech.

00:14:43.600 I never said you don't.

00:14:44.660 So I'm...

00:14:45.140 As a person that advocates democracy,

00:14:47.000 you're saying...

00:14:47.520 I'm very happy for you

00:14:48.460 to express whatever...

00:14:49.060 Well, I'm trying to express it.

00:14:50.040 Within the bounds of just...

00:14:51.300 Well, you're not allowing me.

00:14:52.920 I never hit me out, yeah?

00:14:54.260 I'm saying in practice,

00:14:55.480 if you go to a predominantly

00:14:57.460 black area community

00:14:58.560 and you use the N-word,

00:15:00.320 what will happen to you?

00:15:01.840 Well, not a very nice thing.

00:15:03.340 No, no, but why not?

00:15:04.660 What happened to freedom of speech?

00:15:06.520 Well, but...

00:15:06.860 No, but that's a very different question.

00:15:09.940 Why?

00:15:10.520 That's my question being from the start.

00:15:11.860 There's two different questions.

00:15:12.340 Well, you haven't...

00:15:12.940 So you just asked me why...

00:15:14.180 I did.

00:15:14.460 You came into the conversation

00:15:15.240 without listening then.

00:15:15.920 That's not my fault.

00:15:16.460 So the point is,

00:15:17.840 is there's a difference

00:15:18.520 between the practice

00:15:19.360 of the way different people

00:15:20.400 interpret freedom of speech.

00:15:21.700 So if there are some people

00:15:23.160 out there who don't respect...

00:15:24.140 Well, so it depends

00:15:24.960 in the context

00:15:25.480 in which you're using it.

00:15:26.780 And it's almost certainly

00:15:28.300 an unacceptable thing to say,

00:15:29.300 and I would agree

00:15:29.740 anyone who says it is...

00:15:30.700 But isn't the black community 1.00

00:15:32.900 then limiting my freedom of speech? 0.95

00:15:34.980 Well, yes they are,

00:15:36.600 but it's justified

00:15:37.860 for the reason I've just explained.

00:15:39.100 Okay, so okay, one second.

00:15:39.880 Which is...

00:15:40.320 So if somebody...

00:15:41.160 I'm not justifying to assault them.

00:15:42.500 No, I'm not justifying...

00:15:43.460 I'm not justifying to assault.

00:15:44.400 I'm not justifying to...

00:15:45.400 I'm justifying there should be some...

00:15:46.520 No, no, no, one second.

00:15:47.500 Who is at fault?

00:15:48.260 We asked the people here.

00:15:48.960 They said, you mean...

00:15:49.580 Because you're provoking them.

00:15:51.380 No, no, no.

00:15:51.620 You're at fault. 1.00

00:15:52.100 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:15:52.740 You're provoking them. 1.00

00:15:53.780 That's not...

00:15:54.580 Acting out violently.

00:15:55.680 No, no, no, no.

00:15:56.600 One second.

00:15:57.240 One second.

00:15:57.660 You legally shouldn't be allowed to say that.

00:15:58.500 No, no, no.

00:15:58.840 One second.

00:15:59.240 Legally...

00:15:59.420 And why should you not be allowed to say that?

00:16:00.620 Because if you say that word,

00:16:01.740 you diminish from that...

00:16:03.340 It's vagal.

00:16:03.920 Thank you.

00:16:04.700 So, so, in reality...

00:16:06.340 Yes, you do.

00:16:06.800 If you don't exaggerate all the laws that are saying we apply for them,

00:16:09.240 then how would it...

00:16:09.960 No, because you're going against human psychology.

00:16:12.300 What you're saying is, guys,

00:16:13.600 I'm going to insult you and call you the N-word.

00:16:15.720 You can't do nothing about it. 0.93

00:16:16.900 No, no, no.

00:16:17.260 They can insult me back all they want.

00:16:19.340 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:16:20.680 But there are people who are not going to insult,

00:16:22.320 but want to get violent.

00:16:23.180 Yeah, sure.

00:16:23.580 And then they'll go to jail for it.

00:16:24.340 No problem.

00:16:24.920 They can go to jail.

00:16:25.520 But does that exist within our community?

00:16:27.200 Yes.

00:16:27.580 If that exists within our community,

00:16:29.200 then does the application of freedom of speech work

00:16:31.860 or doesn't work?

00:16:33.340 Wait, wait.

00:16:34.100 Wait, say that again.

00:16:34.900 Okay, if you're going to have in any group,

00:16:37.920 Muslim, Christian, Jewish, black,

00:16:40.560 white, green, blue, aliens, yeah?

00:16:43.180 Yeah.

00:16:44.180 If we go and insult them and provoke them and they...

00:16:48.840 Provoke is different to insult.

00:16:49.560 No, no, insult and provoke.

00:16:50.760 When you're insulting, you're provoking.

00:16:52.260 No, but they're not the same.

00:16:53.800 Well, they might not be the same,

00:16:54.860 but one leads to another.

00:16:55.720 If you're insulting and it provokes them.

00:16:57.200 So the point is the following,

00:16:58.780 that if an individual does that continuously

00:17:01.560 and there are a group of people in that community

00:17:03.820 who say ignore.

00:17:04.680 No, but...

00:17:05.040 There are a group of people in the midst of the...

00:17:06.440 What I'm saying is the right to do that

00:17:09.560 is not a right under freedom of speech.

00:17:10.840 Adam, let me finish.

00:17:11.520 Because you're diminishing...

00:17:12.380 No, it's not because it is.

00:17:12.720 Can I make my point?

00:17:13.480 One second.

00:17:14.460 I'm disagreeing with both.

00:17:15.220 Let me finish.

00:17:16.400 If a group of people say

00:17:18.260 we will ignore that person who spits hate,

00:17:20.300 another person says we'll swear back,

00:17:21.960 and another group of people say 0.98

00:17:23.020 we will try to punch them physically. 0.99

00:17:24.860 Okay. 0.99

00:17:25.080 The point here is the following.

00:17:26.720 The application of freedom of speech

00:17:28.500 doesn't apply and work in the real world.

00:17:31.420 Am I right or wrong?

00:17:33.180 Okay.

00:17:33.660 Okay.

00:17:33.880 That's more interesting, actually.

00:17:35.800 I don't think it's consistently applied,

00:17:37.720 but could it be consistently applied?

00:17:39.340 I think so.

00:17:39.840 Yeah.

00:17:40.340 What do you mean by that?

00:17:41.020 As in, so for example,

00:17:41.900 I don't think we actually adhere

00:17:42.980 to proper freedom of speech,

00:17:44.680 which would be to say

00:17:45.400 you can basically say anything

00:17:47.180 irrespective of how insulting it is

00:17:48.640 as long as it's not an incitement to violence.

00:17:50.260 Okay.

00:17:50.500 So if someone is not inciting to violence,

00:17:52.720 but they go out and do this

00:17:54.180 and a group of...

00:17:55.680 or an individual,

00:17:56.860 yeah,

00:17:57.380 an individual

00:17:57.980 decides to take action physically,

00:18:00.280 who is to blame?

00:18:02.340 What do you think?

00:18:05.700 What do you think?

00:18:07.500 What do you think?

00:18:08.880 What do you think is human

00:18:09.500 who is saying?

00:18:10.220 I don't think this is crazy.

00:18:12.200 You think it can be true.

00:18:12.900 I'm good.

00:18:13.620 You think it's true.

00:18:14.240 Why?

00:18:15.340 How do we think is this?

00:18:16.020 How do we think?

00:18:16.680 What do we think is this is

00:18:17.280 what this is versus

00:18:17.400 is this person

00:18:20.560 If you think it's behind thatô

00:18:21.880 now?

00:18:22.600 You think it's blazing

00:18:22.920 Bye.

00:18:24.300 You think so.

00:18:28.860 Who is?

Ali Dawah - August 13, 2021

MUSLIM BURNING FLAG ESCALATES TO DEBATE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH

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