Ali Dawah - January 30, 2017


MUSLIM LEAVES DARWINISTS SPEECHLESS.....

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Darwin Got Wrong Darwinism Hitler Richard Dawkins Leonard Darwin Francis Crick Terry Fater Henry Quay
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In this episode, we have a debate about whether or not we go back to our ancestral lineages. We have a guest who claims that we have gone back to a common ancestral line, but we have no evidence for this. Is this a belief or is it a fact?

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00:00:00.000 And not accept that humanity goes to an ancestral pair.
00:00:30.000 Because these are much more complicated organisms.
00:00:32.400 At that time, it was a simple self.
00:00:34.040 Let me finish this conversation.
00:00:36.300 No, that's fine.
00:00:37.120 I know you can help him out, but let me just finish this conversation.
00:00:39.720 How do you know universal common ancestry is true?
00:00:42.560 I don't.
00:00:44.140 Who is it?
00:00:45.660 I thought that's what you were claiming.
00:00:47.540 I mean, that's what I believe.
00:00:49.240 Okay, that's fine.
00:00:49.760 Whether the truth is, for example...
00:00:51.940 You sound more like a religious person now.
00:00:54.220 Because that's the thing about being open to logic and to science.
00:01:00.060 No, but that's not...
00:01:00.600 When you say I believe...
00:01:02.000 None of your...
00:01:02.600 Because I do believe it.
00:01:04.620 Because none of your beliefs are ever set in stone and unchangeable.
00:01:09.520 None of them.
00:01:09.900 Well, his beliefs are based on...
00:01:11.220 Hang on, hang on.
00:01:11.620 Hang on, hang on.
00:01:12.000 ...of rigorous scientific evidence.
00:01:13.340 Exactly.
00:01:13.620 Now, your beliefs are based on zero.
00:01:15.220 Hang on, hang on.
00:01:15.960 And I'm happy to...
00:01:17.760 I'm happy to...
00:01:18.560 Honestly, if I am presented with evidence to support the fact that lives that we have
00:01:25.540 evolved from different ancestral lines, then I'm willing to change my...
00:01:31.040 I'm a bit confused.
00:01:32.360 When I first came here, your level of certainty was there.
00:01:34.840 Now you're saying it's a belief.
00:01:36.500 Yes.
00:01:37.000 Right?
00:01:37.740 Now, if you're going to come to Speaker's Corner here, like we do with everyone,
00:01:42.520 you have to give evidence if you're going to make a claim.
00:01:44.920 Oh, so what is your evidence to support your claim?
00:01:48.520 What's my claim?
00:01:49.340 I didn't even make a claim.
00:01:50.180 Exactly.
00:01:50.840 I'm here to challenge your claim.
00:01:52.560 Oh, okay.
00:01:53.200 Because your claim...
00:01:53.520 You cannot ship the burden of proof on him when you're making the claim.
00:01:57.160 Okay.
00:01:57.520 Okay.
00:01:57.780 And the other thing is, you said it was a belief.
00:02:00.040 Now, you do realize that's religion.
00:02:02.040 Exactly.
00:02:02.360 That's not science.
00:02:02.640 That's what I said, yeah.
00:02:04.400 Darwinism is actually a religion, which started off as a scientific theory, but is now a religion.
00:02:09.400 And the proof is in the pudding.
00:02:11.500 This man here and you, both of you believe in this, but you have no evidence.
00:02:14.900 There's no evidence for it.
00:02:16.240 No evidence?
00:02:16.980 Yeah.
00:02:17.300 You will disregard the whole 150 years of science.
00:02:19.180 Go ahead.
00:02:19.620 Give me some evidence.
00:02:20.020 Give us the evidence.
00:02:20.700 The fossil record, the DNA.
00:02:21.940 Okay.
00:02:22.580 You disregard that.
00:02:23.640 No, no, no.
00:02:23.960 Hang on.
00:02:24.600 The fossil record is a subfield in biology.
00:02:27.420 You can't say an evidence is the fossil record.
00:02:30.080 How is the fossil record evidence?
00:02:31.740 Oh, it's called Darwinism.
00:02:32.540 Why is it?
00:02:32.940 Because it shows the history of the development of the species.
00:02:36.400 How does it support universal common descent?
00:02:38.460 Because that's what it shows.
00:02:39.560 That's what it looks like happening in the past.
00:02:41.520 Okay.
00:02:42.180 How does it show that?
00:02:43.880 Well, because if you dig down, say, half a meter, you'll find creatures from around 5,000 years ago.
00:02:48.260 If you dig down more and more, you'll find creatures from more and more longer ago.
00:02:51.480 Okay.
00:02:51.680 What you'll find is that the more you dig deeper, you'll find more simpler creatures,
00:02:55.620 which represent the things that creatures evolved into, higher up.
00:02:59.920 Okay.
00:03:00.700 You do realize Darwinian theory believes that there is no inherent progress.
00:03:08.540 Okay.
00:03:09.040 So, random mutations are random in respect to the organism.
00:03:13.520 So, there's no such thing as directed mutations.
00:03:16.640 So, according to classical Darwinian theory, and you can pick up any book.
00:03:20.080 I'm just going to give you one reference.
00:03:21.120 It's Philosophy of Human Evolution, published by Cambridge University just in 2013-2014.
00:03:26.300 It makes it clear there's no such thing as progress in Darwinian evolution.
00:03:31.460 For example, you're no more complex than bacteria.
00:03:35.820 For example, you survive and you reproduce.
00:03:38.000 Bacteria survives and reproduces.
00:03:39.560 Bacteria has been around for 4 billion years.
00:03:40.760 We're equally complex to a certain degree.
00:03:43.020 However, what does differ...
00:03:44.800 Hang on, hang on.
00:03:45.300 Now you're contradicting yourself.
00:03:47.160 Are bacteria, are they as complex as us?
00:03:50.400 Well, bacteria that have been evolved for around 4 billion years, and to some extent they are.
00:03:55.740 They're not as complex creatures, but they have complex survival mechanisms.
00:04:00.860 Okay.
00:04:01.200 It just depends on the selection.
00:04:02.120 Do they survive and reproduce?
00:04:04.040 Yes.
00:04:04.640 Okay.
00:04:05.000 Do we survive and reproduce?
00:04:06.120 Yes.
00:04:06.540 So, according to...
00:04:07.320 And let me just give you this, right?
00:04:08.420 Because you guys are not contradicting yourselves now.
00:04:10.420 You're contradicting mainstream secular academics.
00:04:12.880 For example, Henry Guy in his book, The Accidental Species, Misunderstandings of Human Evolution,
00:04:17.300 and he says, we are...
00:04:18.880 And he's a Darwinist.
00:04:19.800 We are no more complex than bacteria.
00:04:22.460 Okay.
00:04:22.960 Right?
00:04:23.440 According to Darwinism.
00:04:24.580 So, you can't come here and say, we are more complex.
00:04:29.640 We are not according to your worldview.
00:04:32.480 How do you understand that we are not more complex?
00:04:36.700 What is meant by that?
00:04:37.880 It's not me, by the way.
00:04:38.860 No, no, no.
00:04:39.220 That's fine.
00:04:39.460 Okay, okay, okay.
00:04:40.140 But that's the evidence we've got.
00:04:41.120 No, it's not me.
00:04:42.160 This is Darwinists.
00:04:44.140 Okay.
00:04:44.580 This is Darwinists.
00:04:47.600 Okay.
00:04:48.500 This is Darwinists.
00:04:49.180 Because at the core, I see what you mean by the statement that we're no complex,
00:04:53.580 because at a fundamental level, our bodies and the bodies of bacterias have very, very similar mechanisms.
00:05:00.300 Okay, now you're referring to something known as homology.
00:05:02.860 Okay.
00:05:03.820 Homology is the claim that similarities are due to common descent.
00:05:08.040 Okay.
00:05:08.440 Okay?
00:05:08.920 This is how they look at a chimpanzee and a human being,
00:05:11.600 and they say, because of similarities, they must be a common ancestor.
00:05:15.480 Okay?
00:05:16.840 That's not true, though, because there's a lot of different places.
00:05:19.020 Wait, wait, wait.
00:05:20.040 Hang on.
00:05:20.240 I'm going to speak to one person at a time.
00:05:21.400 Highs have evolved in many different places.
00:05:22.080 I'm going to speak to one person at a time.
00:05:25.420 Okay?
00:05:26.020 Now, what you're referring to is homology.
00:05:28.000 Okay.
00:05:28.420 Now, there's some issues with homology.
00:05:29.960 Number one, you need to understand, homology is an assumption.
00:05:33.480 Okay?
00:05:34.140 It's not something which is based upon concrete observation.
00:05:37.740 Secondly, we know of a counterfactual to this assumption of homology known as homoplasia.
00:05:44.240 For example, there's genes in your body which develop to let you see,
00:05:48.760 for you to have eyes.
00:05:50.280 Likewise, there's genes in the octopus which are there to help it see.
00:05:54.900 But these are known as homoplasia genes.
00:05:57.620 They're not due to common descent.
00:05:59.360 So, homology is something which is an assumption which has a counterfactual to it,
00:06:04.780 known as homoplasia.
00:06:05.800 Plus, to rectify that discrepancy, what you have to do is you have to put together a probabilistic
00:06:11.820 framework based upon Bayesian probabilities with nine mathematical assumptions.
00:06:17.760 And then you come to what would be considered an approximation based upon assumptions and
00:06:23.260 conceptual problems of a divergence between different species.
00:06:26.900 In the same way that a bat's wing is, I assume that a bat's wing came from the same thing as a bird's wing
00:06:39.400 because it fulfills the same function.
00:06:41.700 No, no.
00:06:42.060 But the thing is, that's not due to common descent.
00:06:45.720 Those traits are not.
00:06:47.980 Because they have evolved at different points after those species have already split.
00:06:53.900 So, your initial point about homology...
00:06:56.280 Yes, but then you go back.
00:06:58.380 Then you go back even further.
00:07:00.200 So, let's say you have different ancestors.
00:07:04.800 So, my basic claim, the thing that I find the most incorrect...
00:07:11.160 Sorry, say again?
00:07:11.780 The thing that I find the most incorrect, and it's a view, not really an opinion.
00:07:15.800 It's the fact that people tend to think themselves so much better than all other creatures on this planet
00:07:26.520 because they have been given life by Allah, by God, by Yahweh, by Ra, by countless other beings.
00:07:35.400 Look, two things here.
00:07:36.040 Number one, we're speaking about your initial claim of universal common descent.
00:07:40.180 Yes.
00:07:40.480 Okay?
00:07:41.620 What I wanted to get to the bottom of, and the claim which I'm making...
00:07:45.200 And if you don't challenge it, we can move on to the next topic about whether human beings are special or not.
00:07:49.080 Is that as a belief, and you have no evidence for it?
00:07:53.040 Because if you're going to move the topic away, either you're implicitly implying you don't have evidence for it,
00:07:57.980 or you just want to go off onto a tangent.
00:08:00.380 So, I can make a statement that basically, I personally...
00:08:05.200 You believe it.
00:08:05.900 ...with me at the moment right now, do not have the however many pieces of scientific research that were carried out.
00:08:14.500 And I cannot quote them off by heart.
00:08:16.960 You obviously have an immense breadth of knowledge on the subject.
00:08:21.180 No, I don't.
00:08:21.740 No, you're not.
00:08:22.600 This is stuff you can easily find online.
00:08:24.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:25.160 And that's the thing.
00:08:26.460 And you do realise...
00:08:27.880 I know.
00:08:28.380 There's stuff I've read about, but I don't feel comfortable quoting it.
00:08:34.020 Because it would just be ripped to shreds by the fact that I cannot be...
00:08:37.340 Can I give you something which is just going to be a conceptual reason why universal common ancestry can never be shown to be true?
00:08:46.300 Okay.
00:08:46.720 Okay?
00:08:46.980 I'm giving you a very particular thing.
00:08:48.120 Okay, go.
00:08:48.500 Yeah.
00:08:48.600 Life has been on this earth for approximately 4 billion years.
00:08:51.660 Yes.
00:08:53.120 According to a National Science Foundation that published, studied last year in May, 99.999% of species are undiscovered.
00:09:02.860 Not organisms, species.
00:09:04.240 Okay.
00:09:04.840 We don't have their fossils, we don't have their DNA, we have nothing of them.
00:09:07.960 Yeah, because they came and went on...
00:09:09.160 They came and...
00:09:09.740 And fossilisation is very rare.
00:09:11.460 So because something happened a very long time ago, 4 billion years, life has been on this earth, and 99.999% of species are unobserved, any reconstruction you make is bound to be speculative.
00:09:25.200 And he...
00:09:25.500 There must be holes in it, yes.
00:09:26.420 Not holes, speculative.
00:09:28.600 Entirely.
00:09:29.400 Yes.
00:09:29.980 Pure speculation, pure conjecture.
00:09:32.220 Were you around a thousand years ago?
00:09:36.760 Years ago.
00:09:37.860 Would all the scientists, if they tried to work it out, wouldn't it be speculative?
00:09:41.040 Yes.
00:09:41.280 Entirely.
00:09:41.840 So Darwinism is based upon what happened 4 billion years ago, with 99.999% of species missing.
00:09:48.260 So by that same logic, it is also speculative.
00:09:51.560 But Darwinism is the observation of what has happened...
00:09:54.920 It's not an observation.
00:09:56.380 It's a reconstruction of phylogenetic relationships in the remote past.
00:10:00.220 It's mainly observing the things that took place before Darwin...
00:10:07.220 Darwin...
00:10:08.320 I'm sure you know where Darwin formed the theory, right?
00:10:10.940 On the Galapagos Islands, right?
00:10:12.900 Well, there's dispute about that, but...
00:10:14.460 He went there...
00:10:16.040 He...
00:10:16.360 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:17.280 He did the...
00:10:17.860 He classified the species.
00:10:19.080 But the thing is, look, there all he did was he came up with a way that organisms change, adaptation.
00:10:26.660 And before he published The Origin of Species, a Christian creationist 20 years before him, he already published the theory of natural selection as an adaptation. 0.88
00:10:37.120 So there's nothing new.
00:10:38.040 All he did was he made a claim that natural selection leads the bacteria to the elephant.
00:10:44.840 It leads every...
00:10:45.540 You know, you have this natural blind process with no foresight.
00:10:49.940 And this has created all of life on earth.
00:10:52.000 And he came at a time where Christianity was dying, and there was a need, there was a rise of secularism.
00:10:58.300 And from the very beginning, he got support from secularists, whether they understood what he was saying or they did not.
00:11:05.780 Because it was a religious challenge to Darwinism.
00:11:09.660 For example, just a few years ago, Jerry Fodor, an atheist philosopher of science, he published a book called What Darwin Got Wrong.
00:11:17.220 And what he said at the beginning of the book, and he's an atheist, and he published the book with another evolutionary scientist.
00:11:22.720 And they're both atheists.
00:11:23.680 And what they said is this.
00:11:25.520 They were challenging Darwinism because it wasn't making sense.
00:11:28.960 But they said, we realize in our industry, which is the scientific enterprise and the philosophical community,
00:11:36.260 Allegiance to Darwinism is absolute, whether you understand it or you don't.
00:11:43.160 And the proof is in the pudding that you've come here believing and claiming that it's true, but you don't have any evidence.
00:11:49.400 You've just been socialized into accepting it.
00:11:51.780 Fair enough. Fair play.
00:11:53.900 So, I think you've read that book.
00:11:56.940 Yeah.
00:11:57.340 So, what have they proposed instead?
00:12:00.540 Okay, they didn't propose it.
00:12:02.240 They proposed what other scientists have come up with.
00:12:04.640 Okay.
00:12:05.000 So, they proposed EVO-DEVO, evolutionary development biology, as an alternative.
00:12:09.340 Okay.
00:12:09.760 Plus, there are five alternatives that we currently have in evolutionary biology, which challenge Darwinism.
00:12:16.500 We have evolution by natural genetic engineering, put together by atheist evolutionary biologists. 0.82
00:12:21.940 We have neo-Lamarcaean evolution.
00:12:25.520 We have mutationism.
00:12:27.140 We have symbiotic evolution.
00:12:29.220 And we have evolution by self-organization.
00:12:31.480 All of these five alternatives to Darwinism, you'll never hear about.
00:12:34.660 Because Darwinism has become into a religion.
00:12:37.020 Yet, all of these five alternatives were put together by atheist evolutionary biologists who don't believe in God.
00:12:42.800 Okay.
00:12:43.220 Yeah.
00:12:43.380 And the reason why people believe it to be true, universal common ancestry and natural selection creating all of things, is just because we've been socialized into it.
00:12:52.000 We've got no evidence for it.
00:12:53.020 I don't expect that.
00:12:53.800 And I will admit, I have not heard about the theories that you mentioned otherwise.
00:12:57.760 I have not heard about them.
00:12:59.200 But I'm very curious to hear what they say.
00:13:01.540 Okay.
00:13:02.220 Just look them up.
00:13:03.180 What they basically say is, the core of Darwinism is we have random mutations and natural selection accumulates those over billions of years.
00:13:12.100 What they're claiming is, mutations are, the random mutations are not beneficial.
00:13:17.320 They're claiming they are directed mutations, which are changes due to the environment.
00:13:23.100 So they're directed changes.
00:13:24.640 Natural selection is a trimming force.
00:13:27.240 So say you've got a hedge and you want to cut off the leaves.
00:13:30.540 That's what natural selection does. 0.63
00:13:31.640 It just trims.
00:13:32.340 It explains the survival of the fittest, but not the arrival of the fittest.
00:13:36.020 Okay.
00:13:36.240 And they come up with a whole bunch of evolutionary mechanisms which are challenging Darwinism.
00:13:40.660 And the whole reason why Darwinism was popular was this.
00:13:44.000 Richard Dawkins, in his book, The Blind Watchmaker, in the 1980s, he says, before Darwin, atheism may have been logically tenable.
00:13:52.160 You may have logically have some sort of evidence for atheism, right?
00:13:56.200 But after Darwin, we became intellectually satisfied atheists.
00:14:00.020 So the reason why they're not laying any alternative within science is because the religion of atheism is based upon the belief in Darwinism.
00:14:10.480 This is why you never hear any of the things which I'm saying right now.
00:14:13.400 But if you go to academia, you'll find them everywhere.
00:14:15.780 And those people who challenge this in academia, who are atheist philosophers of science, atheist evolutionary biologists, do you know what they call them?
00:14:24.220 Secular creationists. 0.89
00:14:25.900 Because they don't believe in God.
00:14:27.160 So it's the only scientific theory in history which has become into a religion and it's the only scientific theory in history which has cost the lives of millions of people.
00:14:37.420 How so?
00:14:38.840 Hitler, what he did is he applied Darwinism to a social context. 0.82
00:14:43.680 He applied eugenics to a social context.
00:14:45.400 Yeah.
00:14:45.660 And who came up with eugenics? 0.92
00:14:47.360 Darwin's cousin.
00:14:48.560 Okay.
00:14:48.820 And his son, Leonard Darwin, is the father of eugenics in this country. 0.84
00:14:54.840 And Hitler applied it. 0.91
00:14:56.180 People have been practicing eugenics long before.
00:14:59.940 Okay.
00:15:00.300 People have been practicing it.
00:15:01.560 Yeah, but Darwin gave a justification for it.
00:15:05.100 Darwin never used the word evolution.
00:15:09.440 He did.
00:15:10.180 He did.
00:15:11.260 What I'm curious about now is...
00:15:17.260 Where do you believe humans come from?
00:15:23.160 Or life on this planet comes from?
00:15:24.980 Okay.
00:15:26.220 I believe life on this earth was created by God.
00:15:29.120 Okay.
00:15:29.700 Okay?
00:15:30.260 I believe God is the author of all of the natural laws that we have.
00:15:34.420 Okay.
00:15:34.860 So if you can...
00:15:36.440 And remember the origin of life is something that Darwin did not really speak about.
00:15:40.220 Of course.
00:15:40.920 Many people do.
00:15:42.200 Yeah.
00:15:42.620 They had ideas about spontaneous generation.
00:15:44.980 Yes.
00:15:45.140 And they had all these weird ideas, right?
00:15:46.500 Now, even Francis Crick, the guy who discovered DNA, right?
00:15:51.700 The structure of DNA, the double-heat-ex structure.
00:15:54.500 Yeah.
00:15:55.020 He realized life is so complex, it cannot have a naturalistic origin.
00:15:59.880 So what he...
00:16:00.340 And he's an atheist.
00:16:01.180 Okay.
00:16:01.480 And he won the Nobel Prize.
00:16:02.760 He said...
00:16:03.980 And he came up with a theory known as panspermia.
00:16:05.980 He said life was sent down to earth on rockets by extraterrestrial life somewhere else in the universe.
00:16:13.060 In his book, Life Itself, right?
00:16:15.180 And this panspermia theory is still a viable option in science.
00:16:20.260 Yeah.
00:16:20.760 Now, he's thinking extraterrestrials.
00:16:24.280 Now, I as a religious person, I say, well, it makes more sense it was God than aliens.
00:16:28.320 Because then the question goes, well, who made the aliens?
00:16:31.280 You just go back forever.
00:16:32.980 Now, there's huge differences between human beings and the rest of life on earth.
00:16:37.840 So we believe all of life on earth was created by God.
00:16:41.460 And there may be natural processes which help it develop.
00:16:44.180 Okay.
00:16:44.480 But human beings are different to the rest of creation.
00:16:47.480 For example, classical Darwinian theory says we're no different to bacteria.
00:16:52.120 Yeah.
00:16:52.700 Right?
00:16:53.380 But bacteria don't stand around on Sunday talking about philosophical and religious and moral issues.
00:16:58.500 Yeah.
00:16:58.980 They just survive and reproduce.
00:17:01.260 Yeah.
00:17:01.420 We drink coffee and talk about quantum mechanics when monkeys are jumping around in trees.
00:17:05.500 There's a big difference between human beings and the rest of life on earth.
00:17:09.680 But, sorry if I interrupt.
00:17:11.820 But the reason for that actually makes sense.
00:17:16.240 And I'm going to, for now, I haven't read up the other evolution in three years.
00:17:19.700 So for now, I'll just argue for Darwin.
00:17:22.640 There is a reason for that.
00:17:24.100 Because as we formed into the most sort of basic human shape, let's say.
00:17:31.560 The most homo sapiens.
00:17:33.480 The first homo sapiens.
00:17:34.480 It became beneficial for us to favor social interaction and intelligence over physical traits.
00:17:45.760 Because we outperformed the homo neanderthal by being smarter than them. 1.00
00:17:52.280 They were bigger.
00:17:53.060 They were stronger.
00:17:53.760 They had thicker bones.
00:17:54.920 They could run fast.
00:17:55.920 They could survive on less food.
00:17:57.520 In every physical aspect, they were superior to us.
00:18:00.580 But we were smarter. 1.00
00:18:01.940 So we killed them all. 0.99
00:18:04.500 Okay, there's one thing I want you to keep in mind. 0.98
00:18:07.140 Sorry, I didn't catch your name.
00:18:08.200 Machik.
00:18:09.140 Machik.
00:18:09.700 Machik.
00:18:10.420 Machik.
00:18:11.260 Close enough.
00:18:11.900 Okay, I'm joking.
00:18:13.040 Thibur.
00:18:13.360 I want you to explain that.
00:18:16.640 But remember, within a Darwinian context, our genetics, our physiology, and our psychology,
00:18:23.300 all of this, including our behavior, have to be explicable in terms of survival and reproduction.
00:18:29.640 Yes.
00:18:30.260 Nothing more.
00:18:31.300 Yes.
00:18:31.520 Anything that we do has to be explainable in terms of survival and reproduction.
00:18:34.800 Now, this is a big bone of contention amongst evolutionary biologists and philosophers of science.
00:18:41.300 For example, we have things like religion, which in terms of evolution, Darwinian evolution, don't really make sense.
00:18:47.860 Because when you bow down, like we Muslims do, and pray to God five times a day, it doesn't help with your survival and reproduction.
00:18:55.800 When me and you sit around talking about moral, ethical issues, or when we talk about GTA 7 or whatever that, and who got the highest scores,
00:19:03.780 that's got nothing to do with survival and reproduction.
00:19:06.120 So even atheist scientists, philosophers of science, have realized, human social behavior cannot be explained in terms of Darwinism,
00:19:14.980 because if Darwinism was true, then the selfish gene idea would be correct.
00:19:19.640 So the only reason why I would help you, was to help my own genes survive.
00:19:25.220 But we as human beings, we help people we're not related to.
00:19:28.140 We have things like hospitals, which are the survival of the unfittest.
00:19:32.140 And you and me pay for it through our tax.
00:19:34.300 Yes.
00:19:34.580 Right?
00:19:35.500 So Darwinian evolution doesn't explain the vast majority of human behavior.
00:19:41.300 The vast...
00:19:41.740 And even...
00:19:43.120 Even...
00:19:43.680 Okay, just give me a second.
00:19:44.820 Go ahead, yeah.
00:19:45.620 Even atheist philosophers of science and evolutionary biologists have realized there's big problems with sociobiology, as they call it.
00:19:54.160 Sorry, what was your question?
00:19:55.260 I just said you're wrong, weren't you?
00:19:56.620 In what way?
00:19:57.960 It does explain a large amount of human behavior.
00:20:00.900 Okay, so how would they explain altruism?