MUSLIM LEAVES DARWINISTS SPEECHLESS.....
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Summary
In this episode, we have a debate about whether or not we go back to our ancestral lineages. We have a guest who claims that we have gone back to a common ancestral line, but we have no evidence for this. Is this a belief or is it a fact?
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And not accept that humanity goes to an ancestral pair.
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Because these are much more complicated organisms.
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I know you can help him out, but let me just finish this conversation.
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How do you know universal common ancestry is true?
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Because that's the thing about being open to logic and to science.
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Because none of your beliefs are ever set in stone and unchangeable.
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Honestly, if I am presented with evidence to support the fact that lives that we have
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evolved from different ancestral lines, then I'm willing to change my...
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When I first came here, your level of certainty was there.
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Now, if you're going to come to Speaker's Corner here, like we do with everyone,
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you have to give evidence if you're going to make a claim.
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Oh, so what is your evidence to support your claim?
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You cannot ship the burden of proof on him when you're making the claim.
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And the other thing is, you said it was a belief.
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Darwinism is actually a religion, which started off as a scientific theory, but is now a religion.
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This man here and you, both of you believe in this, but you have no evidence.
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You will disregard the whole 150 years of science.
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You can't say an evidence is the fossil record.
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Because it shows the history of the development of the species.
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That's what it looks like happening in the past.
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Well, because if you dig down, say, half a meter, you'll find creatures from around 5,000 years ago.
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If you dig down more and more, you'll find creatures from more and more longer ago.
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What you'll find is that the more you dig deeper, you'll find more simpler creatures,
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which represent the things that creatures evolved into, higher up.
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You do realize Darwinian theory believes that there is no inherent progress.
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So, random mutations are random in respect to the organism.
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So, there's no such thing as directed mutations.
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So, according to classical Darwinian theory, and you can pick up any book.
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It's Philosophy of Human Evolution, published by Cambridge University just in 2013-2014.
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It makes it clear there's no such thing as progress in Darwinian evolution.
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For example, you're no more complex than bacteria.
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Well, bacteria that have been evolved for around 4 billion years, and to some extent they are.
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They're not as complex creatures, but they have complex survival mechanisms.
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Because you guys are not contradicting yourselves now.
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You're contradicting mainstream secular academics.
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For example, Henry Guy in his book, The Accidental Species, Misunderstandings of Human Evolution,
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So, you can't come here and say, we are more complex.
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How do you understand that we are not more complex?
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Because at the core, I see what you mean by the statement that we're no complex,
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because at a fundamental level, our bodies and the bodies of bacterias have very, very similar mechanisms.
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Okay, now you're referring to something known as homology.
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Homology is the claim that similarities are due to common descent.
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This is how they look at a chimpanzee and a human being,
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and they say, because of similarities, they must be a common ancestor.
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That's not true, though, because there's a lot of different places.
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Number one, you need to understand, homology is an assumption.
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It's not something which is based upon concrete observation.
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Secondly, we know of a counterfactual to this assumption of homology known as homoplasia.
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For example, there's genes in your body which develop to let you see,
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Likewise, there's genes in the octopus which are there to help it see.
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So, homology is something which is an assumption which has a counterfactual to it,
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Plus, to rectify that discrepancy, what you have to do is you have to put together a probabilistic
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framework based upon Bayesian probabilities with nine mathematical assumptions.
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And then you come to what would be considered an approximation based upon assumptions and
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conceptual problems of a divergence between different species.
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In the same way that a bat's wing is, I assume that a bat's wing came from the same thing as a bird's wing
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But the thing is, that's not due to common descent.
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Because they have evolved at different points after those species have already split.
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So, my basic claim, the thing that I find the most incorrect...
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The thing that I find the most incorrect, and it's a view, not really an opinion.
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It's the fact that people tend to think themselves so much better than all other creatures on this planet
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because they have been given life by Allah, by God, by Yahweh, by Ra, by countless other beings.
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Number one, we're speaking about your initial claim of universal common descent.
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What I wanted to get to the bottom of, and the claim which I'm making...
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And if you don't challenge it, we can move on to the next topic about whether human beings are special or not.
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Is that as a belief, and you have no evidence for it?
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Because if you're going to move the topic away, either you're implicitly implying you don't have evidence for it,
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So, I can make a statement that basically, I personally...
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...with me at the moment right now, do not have the however many pieces of scientific research that were carried out.
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You obviously have an immense breadth of knowledge on the subject.
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There's stuff I've read about, but I don't feel comfortable quoting it.
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Because it would just be ripped to shreds by the fact that I cannot be...
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Can I give you something which is just going to be a conceptual reason why universal common ancestry can never be shown to be true?
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Life has been on this earth for approximately 4 billion years.
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According to a National Science Foundation that published, studied last year in May, 99.999% of species are undiscovered.
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We don't have their fossils, we don't have their DNA, we have nothing of them.
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So because something happened a very long time ago, 4 billion years, life has been on this earth, and 99.999% of species are unobserved, any reconstruction you make is bound to be speculative.
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Would all the scientists, if they tried to work it out, wouldn't it be speculative?
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So Darwinism is based upon what happened 4 billion years ago, with 99.999% of species missing.
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But Darwinism is the observation of what has happened...
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It's a reconstruction of phylogenetic relationships in the remote past.
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It's mainly observing the things that took place before Darwin...
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I'm sure you know where Darwin formed the theory, right?
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But the thing is, look, there all he did was he came up with a way that organisms change, adaptation.
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And before he published The Origin of Species, a Christian creationist 20 years before him, he already published the theory of natural selection as an adaptation.
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All he did was he made a claim that natural selection leads the bacteria to the elephant.
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You know, you have this natural blind process with no foresight.
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And he came at a time where Christianity was dying, and there was a need, there was a rise of secularism.
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And from the very beginning, he got support from secularists, whether they understood what he was saying or they did not.
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Because it was a religious challenge to Darwinism.
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For example, just a few years ago, Jerry Fodor, an atheist philosopher of science, he published a book called What Darwin Got Wrong.
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And what he said at the beginning of the book, and he's an atheist, and he published the book with another evolutionary scientist.
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They were challenging Darwinism because it wasn't making sense.
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But they said, we realize in our industry, which is the scientific enterprise and the philosophical community,
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Allegiance to Darwinism is absolute, whether you understand it or you don't.
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And the proof is in the pudding that you've come here believing and claiming that it's true, but you don't have any evidence.
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They proposed what other scientists have come up with.
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So, they proposed EVO-DEVO, evolutionary development biology, as an alternative.
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Plus, there are five alternatives that we currently have in evolutionary biology, which challenge Darwinism.
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We have evolution by natural genetic engineering, put together by atheist evolutionary biologists.
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All of these five alternatives to Darwinism, you'll never hear about.
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Yet, all of these five alternatives were put together by atheist evolutionary biologists who don't believe in God.
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And the reason why people believe it to be true, universal common ancestry and natural selection creating all of things, is just because we've been socialized into it.
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And I will admit, I have not heard about the theories that you mentioned otherwise.
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What they basically say is, the core of Darwinism is we have random mutations and natural selection accumulates those over billions of years.
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What they're claiming is, mutations are, the random mutations are not beneficial.
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They're claiming they are directed mutations, which are changes due to the environment.
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So say you've got a hedge and you want to cut off the leaves.
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It explains the survival of the fittest, but not the arrival of the fittest.
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And they come up with a whole bunch of evolutionary mechanisms which are challenging Darwinism.
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And the whole reason why Darwinism was popular was this.
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Richard Dawkins, in his book, The Blind Watchmaker, in the 1980s, he says, before Darwin, atheism may have been logically tenable.
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You may have logically have some sort of evidence for atheism, right?
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But after Darwin, we became intellectually satisfied atheists.
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So the reason why they're not laying any alternative within science is because the religion of atheism is based upon the belief in Darwinism.
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This is why you never hear any of the things which I'm saying right now.
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But if you go to academia, you'll find them everywhere.
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And those people who challenge this in academia, who are atheist philosophers of science, atheist evolutionary biologists, do you know what they call them?
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So it's the only scientific theory in history which has become into a religion and it's the only scientific theory in history which has cost the lives of millions of people.
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Hitler, what he did is he applied Darwinism to a social context.
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And his son, Leonard Darwin, is the father of eugenics in this country.
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People have been practicing eugenics long before.
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I believe life on this earth was created by God.
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I believe God is the author of all of the natural laws that we have.
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And remember the origin of life is something that Darwin did not really speak about.
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Now, even Francis Crick, the guy who discovered DNA, right?
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The structure of DNA, the double-heat-ex structure.
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He realized life is so complex, it cannot have a naturalistic origin.
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And he came up with a theory known as panspermia.
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He said life was sent down to earth on rockets by extraterrestrial life somewhere else in the universe.
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And this panspermia theory is still a viable option in science.
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Now, I as a religious person, I say, well, it makes more sense it was God than aliens.
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Because then the question goes, well, who made the aliens?
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Now, there's huge differences between human beings and the rest of life on earth.
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So we believe all of life on earth was created by God.
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And there may be natural processes which help it develop.
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But human beings are different to the rest of creation.
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For example, classical Darwinian theory says we're no different to bacteria.
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But bacteria don't stand around on Sunday talking about philosophical and religious and moral issues.
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We drink coffee and talk about quantum mechanics when monkeys are jumping around in trees.
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There's a big difference between human beings and the rest of life on earth.
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And I'm going to, for now, I haven't read up the other evolution in three years.
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Because as we formed into the most sort of basic human shape, let's say.
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It became beneficial for us to favor social interaction and intelligence over physical traits.
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Because we outperformed the homo neanderthal by being smarter than them.
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In every physical aspect, they were superior to us.
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Okay, there's one thing I want you to keep in mind.
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But remember, within a Darwinian context, our genetics, our physiology, and our psychology,
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all of this, including our behavior, have to be explicable in terms of survival and reproduction.
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Anything that we do has to be explainable in terms of survival and reproduction.
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Now, this is a big bone of contention amongst evolutionary biologists and philosophers of science.
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For example, we have things like religion, which in terms of evolution, Darwinian evolution, don't really make sense.
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Because when you bow down, like we Muslims do, and pray to God five times a day, it doesn't help with your survival and reproduction.
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When me and you sit around talking about moral, ethical issues, or when we talk about GTA 7 or whatever that, and who got the highest scores,
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that's got nothing to do with survival and reproduction.
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So even atheist scientists, philosophers of science, have realized, human social behavior cannot be explained in terms of Darwinism,
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because if Darwinism was true, then the selfish gene idea would be correct.
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So the only reason why I would help you, was to help my own genes survive.
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But we as human beings, we help people we're not related to.
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We have things like hospitals, which are the survival of the unfittest.
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So Darwinian evolution doesn't explain the vast majority of human behavior.
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Even atheist philosophers of science and evolutionary biologists have realized there's big problems with sociobiology, as they call it.
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It does explain a large amount of human behavior.