Ali Dawah - September 13, 2021


MUSLIM PROVES GOD IN 5 MINUTES TO COUPLE


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In this episode, we discuss the concept of God's existence and how he communicates with us through the universe. Why does God have a human form? How does he communicate with us? Why does he exist? What does he do with the universe? And why does he need to do so much communication with us in order for us to survive?

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00:00:00.000 300 families over 1000 orphans are going to benefit please help me reach my target now
00:00:04.640 yes that's correct not only does it encourage you to read it tells you how many verses you've
00:00:11.700 read how many pages you read how long you've been on it and best of all the hasana counter
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00:00:20.140 never had before okay guys so i've stopped
00:00:22.460 okay so there's impossible existence for example you can't have a uh square square triangle
00:00:41.040 right it's an impossible existence you have possible existence and you have necessary
00:00:47.760 existence yeah possible existence are like me you and him yeah i'm breaking it down so impossible
00:00:57.180 existence is a triangle can you have a triangle circle or triangle square it's an impossible
00:01:02.900 existence so we have possible existence which are people like me you etc yeah and then we have
00:01:07.880 necessary existence yeah and we have necessary existence right which i'm going to prove that
00:01:14.920 that is god almighty okay so now the example i'm going to give is the following i'm going
00:01:17.900 to start off with google google in order for its existence it relies on the internet okay so what
00:01:26.560 we say is it relies on the internet what does the internet rely for its existence
00:01:31.600 electricity electricity sorry my bad i forgot to screen record yeah there we go so electricity yeah
00:01:58.040 now google is a dependent thing it depends on something else for its existence which is the
00:02:07.080 internet so google depends on the internet for its existence the internet depends on what the
00:02:12.540 computer for its existence right so google depends on the internet internet depends on the computer
00:02:18.060 the computer depends on electricity now the electricity relies on solar panels range and us human beings yeah 0.94
00:02:26.580 So, it relies on humans for its existence.
00:02:32.000 Now, what do we rely on?
00:02:33.420 Food, shelter, sleep, etc.
00:02:36.480 So, as you can see, the chain is growing.
00:02:39.280 Food, sleep, etc.
00:02:43.460 Now, if we have an infinite amount of dependent things,
00:02:49.740 we'll have the fallacy of infinite regress.
00:02:51.580 Meaning, we need a necessary being for everything to make sense.
00:02:56.580 Now, this necessary being, which has to be independent.
00:02:59.740 So, what did we say we are dependent beings?
00:03:01.580 We need an independent being in order for us to be alive.
00:03:06.180 That makes sense.
00:03:07.560 An example that I usually give is a seabed.
00:03:13.480 So, this is the sea, right?
00:03:15.000 And we have a lot of creatures living in there, fishes, octopuses, etc.
00:03:19.000 Can we ever have sea and all the creatures inside without the seabed?
00:03:24.880 No.
00:03:25.160 No.
00:03:26.160 So, the analogy that I'm giving here is that the seabed is everything the sea and creatures fall back on.
00:03:31.620 Right?
00:03:32.540 So, what we say is that because we live in this world and we're all dependent beings,
00:03:38.140 we necessarily require an independent, self-sufficient being in order for everything to make sense.
00:03:45.020 Right?
00:03:45.420 And you guys know, from nothing, nothing comes, right?
00:03:49.440 Can we ever get something without nothing?
00:03:51.280 Okay.
00:03:52.380 So, what we say is just because we cannot get it from nothing, therefore something has to cause us, which we call God, in a nutshell.
00:04:02.020 Now, is there any way that you believe I may have been wrong in this argument?
00:04:07.300 Well, no, see, something that has a human form or, like, that will communicate with us in the first place.
00:04:13.280 Who's that?
00:04:13.580 You're talking about God?
00:04:14.320 Yeah.
00:04:14.520 So, like, why would God have a human form or even want to talk to humans?
00:04:19.260 You know, like, why would he specify that Earth is, like, of particular importance to it?
00:04:22.860 Okay.
00:04:23.340 If he's busy building the whole universe, why do we matter?
00:04:26.560 That's a very interesting question.
00:04:27.940 You know, you said something very interesting, actually.
00:04:29.540 Have you guys seen that video where it shows our planet compared to the sun and compared to, like, the universe?
00:04:34.980 Have you seen that video?
00:04:35.500 It's profound, right?
00:04:36.240 So, we're like a little speck.
00:04:37.660 So, now, we don't believe, as Muslims, that God is a human being.
00:04:40.980 He's not a man.
00:04:42.160 There's nothing like him.
00:04:43.600 Yeah?
00:04:43.840 He's self-sufficient.
00:04:44.600 So, we don't say he's a man that, you know, some Christians believe he was Jesus, etc.
00:04:48.540 Yeah?
00:04:49.820 Well, the question you said is, why would he want to communicate with us?
00:04:52.560 Now, the question is very important.
00:04:53.980 Something so amazing, which is God Almighty, the fact that he cares about us so much that we're a little speck, but he wants guidance for us.
00:05:03.840 And he wants us to know our purpose and why we're here.
00:05:06.500 So, yes, we might say, why would something so magnificent even care about us?
00:05:10.240 But the fact that he cares about us shows about his mercy.
00:05:12.880 Because we believe God is the most merciful.
00:05:14.580 He's the most trust.
00:05:15.360 He's the most wise.
00:05:16.160 He's the all-knowing.
00:05:17.200 Right?
00:05:17.860 So, but in a nutshell, do you guys accept that we all have to depend on something independent?
00:05:22.560 Which has to be God.
00:05:24.600 Because otherwise, it doesn't make sense for us to be here.
00:05:30.240 Basically, like you said, there's a bunch of things that have been caused by an initial causer.
00:05:35.180 Yes.
00:05:36.140 Why does that take, why does that have consciousness?
00:05:38.340 Or actually, like, have a personality or what we relate to ourselves, like, as having compassion?
00:05:44.500 Or, like, that's not necessarily true just because there's an initial cause.
00:05:47.540 Of course.
00:05:47.880 That could be a rock falling.
00:05:48.880 Oh, good, good, good, good, good.
00:05:50.040 So what that means is, for example, that you guys would accept the premise of being a deist.
00:05:54.980 Meaning there is some kind of power, but why wouldn't it be a rock?
00:05:58.140 Well, what we say is that in our universe, there is intelligence.
00:06:02.020 There is power.
00:06:03.420 There is knowledge.
00:06:04.880 Therefore, the independent being, which is God Almighty, he has to be the designer.
00:06:10.360 He has to be intelligent.
00:06:11.640 Because how can we have those properties in our universe, but God doesn't have those properties?
00:06:16.160 How can I give rise to something that I do not myself have?
00:06:18.560 Oh, that's where evolution fits in.
00:06:21.040 Because the point is, the most intelligent beings survive.
00:06:24.880 And so over time, you get more and more intelligent beings.
00:06:27.340 Until you find, you know, societies like we have today.
00:06:30.040 No problem.
00:06:30.340 And we can have conversations like that.
00:06:31.560 Of course.
00:06:31.980 But if you think about it, evolution talks about, for example, the first cell.
00:06:36.520 The first cell.
00:06:37.520 Where did that come from?
00:06:38.460 Even if you go evolution, yeah?
00:06:40.380 Evolution is not random events happening.
00:06:42.320 There's order.
00:06:43.500 Yeah?
00:06:43.760 There's things happening.
00:06:44.520 So, for example, our point is the first cell that was made, yeah?
00:06:47.900 Where did that first cell come from?
00:06:49.260 Which was my argument that it cannot come from nothing.
00:06:51.780 They've already replicated the first cells, like, in laboratories.
00:06:56.300 If you apply electricity to chemicals like clay, you can actually create cell replicating.
00:07:01.700 You know what they're doing?
00:07:02.680 It's like, for example, I give you 20 pounds. 0.98
00:07:05.340 You fank the 20 pounds rather than fanking me. 0.79
00:07:07.700 And without 20 pounds, you make more 20 pounds. 0.88
00:07:09.920 They're using the cell that God made to replicate more.
00:07:12.940 The credit goes to God, not them.
00:07:14.520 What they're doing is good.
00:07:15.700 They're replicating it.
00:07:16.440 They're using electricity to put clay, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:18.520 I'm with that.
00:07:19.220 I'm well and good.
00:07:20.340 But you're taking the credit of God.
00:07:22.540 Imagine, like, what do you guys...
00:07:23.720 It's also, it's showing that there is an explanation that it doesn't rely on God.
00:07:27.720 No, but it does.
00:07:28.260 Because the fact that the first cell exists, where did the first cell come from?
00:07:32.180 It cannot come from nothing.
00:07:33.360 And the first cell is quite a complex property here.
00:07:36.200 We're not talking about just, like, a little liquid.
00:07:38.640 It's got, you know, DNA inside it and a bunch of other stuff.
00:07:41.960 And we know how the DNA works.
00:07:43.340 It's the reason why you look the way you look and the way I look and the way you look.
00:07:46.240 Yeah?
00:07:46.620 DNA is something that is a property that's a working machine.
00:07:49.800 Like, this book has information in it, right?
00:07:53.000 Information requires intelligence.
00:07:55.320 The DNA is more complex than all these books put together.
00:07:58.820 So, your argument basically is that because something's highly complicated, it can't be explained through any means other than intelligent being, making it.
00:08:07.640 Well, not necessarily, because then you would say, okay, well, God Almighty is more complex than design.
00:08:11.620 Does he require a creator?
00:08:12.880 My point is this.
00:08:13.880 If there is design, it requires a designer.
00:08:17.640 Because the best possible explanation to that is where did the first cell come from, which is quite complex, that it gave life, that scientists today are replicating via that.
00:08:24.780 And even when it comes to aeroplanes, we learn to make these things via other things, like the flies, the birds, we look at how things work.
00:08:31.480 We are looking at God's creation, but what we're doing, we're giving credit to scientists.
00:08:35.980 Like, what field do you guys work?
00:08:37.920 I know we're at uni.
00:08:39.060 University, yeah?
00:08:39.780 Imagine you do a university essay, and you get A star, and I'm sure you guys do, yeah?
00:08:44.040 I'll pray for you guys.
00:08:45.680 Imagine somebody took credit for that and said, you know what, I did it.
00:08:49.200 Bridget, she copied from me.
00:08:51.280 How would you feel?
00:08:51.900 So, how do you think, with God Almighty, where people are giving credit to things that he has created, yeah?
00:09:00.820 We already know that God's the creator of these things, rather than the theories that scientists have.
00:09:04.940 Okay, but when we talk about the Big Bang, we're going to a point of initial explosion, yeah?
00:09:09.820 Well, there's more proof for that than the existence of God.
00:09:12.220 No, no, but this shows the existence of God.
00:09:13.980 You know why?
00:09:14.300 Because what you're seeing is there was an explosion.
00:09:15.860 Yeah.
00:09:16.680 Yeah, and the universe is expanding.
00:09:18.080 And we go to a singular point, where there's some scientists say that it was about the size of an orange.
00:09:22.580 You're telling me that everything within this universe was the size of an orange.
00:09:25.460 The point is, what caused it?
00:09:28.060 Well, there's theories that have developed now, where it says just that there was a universe before that.
00:09:32.700 Oh, yeah.
00:09:33.220 Multiverse theory.
00:09:33.860 And then it contracted and actually became the size of that, and then just...
00:09:37.280 Okay.
00:09:37.560 This is the last thing.
00:09:38.560 It's called the multiverse theory, or it's called the steady state theory, yeah?
00:09:41.600 The point is this.
00:09:42.720 Even if that's the case, there are one million universes.
00:09:45.920 The point is this.
00:09:46.820 The fact that there are a million universes, what caused that universe to exist?
00:09:50.840 Because what was our premise?
00:09:51.920 Something cannot come from nothing.
00:09:53.780 So, those universes, either...
00:09:56.860 Were they always there?
00:09:57.880 I feel like this is a problem with, like, a lot of belief systems is based on the fact that there has to be a starting point.
00:10:04.960 But there has to.
00:10:05.920 But not necessarily.
00:10:06.940 But do you have evidence contrary?
00:10:08.400 That is a fallacy to assume that time had a beginning.
00:10:11.660 Okay, so do you have any evidence contrary to that?
00:10:13.960 Let me ask you this.
00:10:14.860 Is time ever going to end?
00:10:16.640 Is time ever going to end?
00:10:17.960 No.
00:10:18.520 So how can it begin?
00:10:19.680 Because we can believe...
00:10:20.660 Probably it's just an...
00:10:21.280 We accept infinite post-eternally, but not pre-eternally.
00:10:25.000 Because what that means is, because we believe in hell and heaven, but hell and heaven depends on God.
00:10:30.200 So post-eternally, this way, God created, let's suppose, our universe from here, yeah?
00:10:35.360 Okay.
00:10:35.840 God has always existed, yeah?
00:10:38.000 God Almighty has always existed.
00:10:39.160 The question we're asking is, what caused it?
00:10:41.760 People say, oh, it came from nothing.
00:10:43.480 That's an impossibility.
00:10:44.640 From nothing, nothing comes.
00:10:46.240 It came by chance.
00:10:47.200 What kind of chance?
00:10:48.140 It's always been there.
00:10:49.120 Prove to me.
00:10:49.900 You have to prove to me the concept of infinite.
00:10:52.060 If you say it was always there, this concept of infinite doesn't exist in the real world.
00:10:55.460 There's no such thing as infinite in our real world.
00:10:57.160 Actual.
00:10:57.900 Actual.
00:10:58.520 There's mathematics.
00:11:00.180 There's possible infinity, potential infinite.
00:11:02.620 But I'm talking about, there is no concept of that.
00:11:05.560 All we go back to is the Big Bang.
00:11:07.020 And what we're saying is, what caused it to explode?
00:11:10.600 So are you claiming that, or are you saying that it's a big jump to say that there has to be a deity or something?
00:11:17.520 Do you think it's a...
00:11:18.420 Yeah.
00:11:18.900 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:11:20.580 There's a lot, there's a lot.
00:11:21.500 Like, even if there was a first instant.
00:11:23.760 No, no, no, no, but the thing is, but the thing is, when it comes to rationality and logic, that is the best explanation.
00:11:29.600 For example, we know it cannot come from nothing.
00:11:31.940 So therefore we have to accept that something was caused, which we accepted.
00:11:35.120 Okay.
00:11:35.680 Remember?
00:11:36.840 Yeah, I think...
00:11:38.200 Yeah, go on.
00:11:38.520 Yeah.
00:11:39.120 No, no, no, no, no.
00:11:39.440 Okay, I'm saying, I think you have a good argument, but I don't think that's definitive proof to, like, there is a God.
00:11:45.940 It could have been anything.
00:11:47.020 Okay.
00:11:47.980 Also, like, even if you're right and there was a God and there's a first God, like, why, you know, there's so many religions, like, and, you know, I grew up in a Mormon church for, like, 16 years.
00:11:59.560 I was fully convinced.
00:12:00.720 Yeah.
00:12:01.180 No one's beliefs could tell me any different that I was wrong.
00:12:04.640 Yeah.
00:12:05.180 100%.
00:12:05.900 Like, you know, in reality, there's so many different gods and different forms that the start of the universe can take.
00:12:11.580 Okay, what we say is that...
00:12:12.940 You can't rely on anyone.
00:12:14.220 I'm so sorry, sir.
00:12:14.740 Yeah, and how would we know about God?
00:12:16.900 Like, is this something that we've made up?
00:12:19.100 Okay, so what we say is that, look, I'm not talking about religion.
00:12:21.600 I'm putting religion to a side for now.
00:12:22.840 What I want to do is I want to establish if God exists or not and go through the best possible explanation with our logic.
00:12:27.080 Because when we wake up, we use our rational logic on a day-to-day basis.
00:12:30.560 You guys came here today.
00:12:31.500 Why?
00:12:31.880 Because you said, let's visit Speaker's Corner.
00:12:33.220 You gave yourself a purpose.
00:12:34.420 You put your shoes on.
00:12:35.380 You came here.
00:12:36.000 You didn't wake up and say, maybe I'm in the Matrix.
00:12:38.600 Let's go to Speaker's Corner.
00:12:39.600 Hey, what's Speaker's Corner?
00:12:40.800 It doesn't exist.
00:12:41.720 Am I here?
00:12:42.200 You didn't do that.
00:12:43.400 You went with your best logical explanation of I exist.
00:12:46.220 That's what Rene Dikar said, yeah?
00:12:48.480 I think, therefore, I am.
00:12:50.420 Yeah?
00:12:50.720 So, meaning that you woke up, you used your rational and logic to put your shoes on, have breakfast, get ready, wear a nice shirt like this, yeah?
00:12:57.800 You went in the mirror and said, look, I'm going to look smart.
00:13:01.240 You gave yourself a purpose with a nice jeans.
00:13:03.180 Are you guys a couple, by the way?
00:13:04.360 Yes.
00:13:04.600 Okay, good.
00:13:05.340 If you get married, call me to your wedding, please.
00:13:07.180 So, the point is this, yeah?
00:13:08.380 I'm just trying to say, even you guys coming together, you know what?
00:13:11.580 You was attracted to her, she was attracted to you.
00:13:13.420 You used logic and rationality to build a relationship.
00:13:16.840 What we're saying is, use the same logic and rationality to say, hold on a second.
00:13:20.540 It cannot come from nothing.
00:13:21.880 Therefore, it requires a cause.
00:13:23.260 Now, you can have a right to say, hold on a second, Ali.
00:13:25.720 Okay, a creator exists, but how is it Allah?
00:13:28.740 You have a right to ask that.
00:13:29.840 I'm not going down that route yet.
00:13:31.060 What I'm just saying is, does it make plausible sense to the best explanation that a creator exists?
00:13:38.140 No, I'm still not convinced that there was an initial thing, you know?
00:13:41.480 So, you believe it was always there?
00:13:44.280 There's, you know, there's no evidence to suggest either way, so why should I be convinced that there's a God?
00:13:48.060 We do have evidence for cause and effect, but we have...
00:13:50.980 Theoretically, like, that makes sense, that there has to be, you know, in our understanding of things,
00:13:54.520 it has to be a first thing.
00:13:55.700 I don't think we can comprehend the fact that maybe time is endless.
00:13:58.740 No, no, but time is irrelevant.
00:14:00.200 For example, if I have an empty glass, yeah, this is an empty bottle.
00:14:04.800 If I say, if we give this infinite amount of time, I'll have a chocolate cheesecake with four strawberries on it.
00:14:09.580 The point is this, time is irrelevant to the question because the elements to make a chocolate cheesecake with four strawberries are not in the bottle.
00:14:16.660 So, giving it time, say, an infinite or billion years, is irrelevant to the equation because the elements to make the cheesecake is not in there.
00:14:22.960 So, what I'm trying to say is, to say, if you give it this time or that time, this will happen, it's not relevant to the equation here.
00:14:29.320 Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:14:29.920 Yeah, but what if, hypothetically, the universe began and it didn't begin, it's just always been there and there were just a lot of nutrients, a lot of minerals, a lot of all this stuff in the universe
00:14:39.640 that just eventually just came together and just made the world the way it is, but it has to be nothing.
00:14:45.420 Okay, but the point is this, yeah, why do you go to that example, which we don't have infinite, infinite doesn't exist in the real world.
00:14:51.080 We know there's an expansion of the universe.
00:14:53.400 It's expanding.
00:14:53.940 So, if we rewind it, it has to go to a singular point, yeah, and even there, it's like, what caused it?
00:14:59.620 What you're seeing is that it was always there.
00:15:01.900 So, you're seeing it is, sorry, what you're seeing here is that it was always there, infinite.
00:15:08.880 You have to prove that.
00:15:10.300 Does infinite exist in the real world?
00:15:12.160 I'll give you an example.
00:15:13.200 I don't have to prove it, though, because I'm not relying on, you know, I'm not relying on a concept of a human-esque kind of God, you know?
00:15:21.380 I don't have to, I'm not trying to establish religion, I'm just basing it on...
00:15:25.480 No, no, forget religion, I'm not... 0.94
00:15:26.820 No, I'm not talking about...
00:15:27.520 No, but God is religion.
00:15:28.380 No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about religion, yeah?
00:15:30.000 They're inseparable.
00:15:30.780 No, no, no, no, but first we need to establish if God exists, then religion is the next step.
00:15:34.800 If I have an infinite amount of bananas, and I eat two, how many bananas do I have?
00:15:44.980 That's, that's, that'll contradict it, because infinite has no...
00:15:48.000 You can't have infinite plus one or infinite minus two, it contradicts infinite.
00:15:51.380 My point is the following, we know infinite doesn't exist in the real world, there's no such thing as infinite in the real world.
00:15:56.900 Therefore, if we don't have that explanation, and we know by logic that from nothing, nothing comes, it requires us to logically accept that there was a cause, someone, something caused it.
00:16:05.960 Not a man, I'm not saying it's a human being, I'm saying a creator must have caused it.
00:16:09.620 Because I feel like this question is perhaps the biggest indication that there is a God, because like, it's very difficult to answer, you know?
00:16:19.280 I mean, if there is an initial point in a universe, what caused that cause?
00:16:22.740 I don't know, like, that analogy of bananas doesn't really relate to the concept of time, like, what if you have an infinite amount of time and you take away two seconds, how much time does it, like, that doesn't make sense.
00:16:32.920 No, no, but that's what I'm trying to say, like, for example, God Almighty tells us that He takes an off by time, He says, I am time.
00:16:38.380 So what we're trying to say is that God has always existed, which was my first explanation about the independent being.
00:16:44.920 He's independent, self-sufficient.
00:16:46.540 We are dependent on food and other elements and our universe is dependent on things.
00:16:50.740 He is the seabed that everything falls back on and is independent.
00:16:55.300 So He is infinite.
00:16:56.760 I accept that.
00:16:57.680 Time was not created for Him.
00:16:59.840 What we're trying to say is that He gave rise to us.
00:17:01.800 We had a starting point.
00:17:03.040 He didn't.
00:17:03.760 So that's why we're saying is what caused it.
00:17:05.940 It has to be God.
00:17:06.760 That's my claim anyway.
00:17:08.640 I'm not pushing it on me.
00:17:09.200 I'm just trying to say, it's just thought-provoking that.
00:17:11.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:12.620 Because it is, like I said, it's a very strong question to ask.
00:17:16.500 What caused this?
00:17:17.740 And why are the people claiming that there is an entity that caused this?
00:17:22.080 It's a two separate question.
00:17:23.660 What do you think the parties have gone into?
00:17:25.560 Okay, good.
00:17:26.040 So what we say is that...