Ali Dawah - July 26, 2023


PHD ARAB ATHEIST VS MUSLIM - SURPRISING END


Episode Stats

Length

27 minutes

Words per Minute

211.1227

Word Count

5,807

Sentence Count

1

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

In this episode, I have a conversation with a PhD astrophysics student who asked me a simple question. Do you believe that DNA has information? Is there intelligence behind it? Do you have objective evidence? Is it possible for DNA to have information?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 can you measure can you can you measure dark matter yes no you can't oh my god you see the
00:00:06.360 do you realize you're speaking with a fucking phd in astrophysics well you're doing bad you're
00:00:10.200 doing bad just imagine the people back in the day when they would have to travel certain
00:00:17.100 distances for months or even years what is one thing that they would carry with them
00:00:21.240 the quran why because they did not have it on their mobile devices or their gadgets
00:00:26.100 brothers and sisters imagine you have a app the qurani app which not only shows you how much
00:00:32.220 rewards you get but reminds you to read the quran gives you reminders allah says in the quran
00:00:37.840 remind for reminder benefits a believer this app is so phenomenal seven day free trial wherever you are
00:00:44.040 wherever you are whatever you're doing it gives you a reminder to read the quran brothers and sisters
00:00:48.580 we do not need to carry the quran in our hands like we did before now it is on your phone what excuse
00:00:55.140 will you have on your maqiyama of why you didn't read the quran download the qurani app now and let
00:01:00.160 it testify for you on your maqiyama that you read it wherever you was enjoy the video just asking a
00:01:07.160 quick question can you see dark matter can you see the air now you don't see it but exist but exist
00:01:13.620 but you can measure it good dark matter cannot be seen smelt tasted felt or heard but you can be felt
00:01:21.400 no it cannot be felt how do we know it exists we know no because we see the effects of it
00:01:26.420 then it can be felt no see you believe in something that you see the effects of but you believe you do
00:01:32.480 you deny god when you see the effects of what is the effects of for example the creation you your eye
00:01:36.920 the way you created your body your kidney your lungs your heart i'm not created you're not created
00:01:41.420 no okay so where did you come from it's a live semen from the bollocks of my dad where did it
00:01:45.920 come from where did it come from where did it come from where did the bollocks of your dad come
00:01:49.700 from hiwan minnowi yes i don't know i don't know and they made okay okay can you tell me
00:01:56.320 who gives the sperm the knowledge to swim to the egg who says go go go race race race who does that
00:02:03.040 that's begging the question i'm asking that's begging the question well i'm begging you saying
00:02:07.840 yeah you're begging it okay you're fallible no problem yeah exactly i'm fallible so i'm gonna
00:02:11.800 answer a fallible question how is your fallible question me asking how does the sperm have the
00:02:15.520 knowledge by saying who okay what no problem who gives the knowledge what gives the knowledge
00:02:21.520 what gives the knowledge what gives the knowledge to the sperm intelligence where intelligence okay
00:02:26.880 if there's intelligence then it cries intelligent designer no okay so there's if there's intelligence
00:02:31.180 Do you believe that there's intelligence
00:02:33.780 In this or information
00:02:35.640 Do you agree there's information in this book
00:02:36.920 I read this book
00:02:38.920 Any book, argument's sake if it's a different book
00:02:41.020 Does this book have information
00:02:42.600 Does that information require intelligence
00:02:45.420 No, not necessarily
00:02:46.760 Are you telling me that this has information
00:02:49.080 But there's no intelligence behind it
00:02:51.100 Information
00:02:52.860 Information, there's information, information requires intelligence
00:02:55.380 You know what information is
00:02:56.480 What do you mean by that
00:02:58.400 You know what information is
00:02:59.980 What information is, I don't know the exact definition
00:03:02.260 What is it, tell me
00:03:02.860 No, but information can be also anything
00:03:04.820 No, of course, the atom is information
00:03:06.420 Of course, yes, yes
00:03:08.180 So if there's information, there's intelligence, like DNA
00:03:10.860 DNA, okay, does DNA have information
00:03:13.820 No, no, no, no
00:03:16.460 No, that's not cut the chase, why, why
00:03:17.900 I am, I'm going to the core
00:03:20.280 I'm at the core
00:03:21.520 The core is, you have to prove your God with objective evidence
00:03:24.180 I am, I am
00:03:24.940 Do you have objective evidence
00:03:25.780 Yes, do you believe that DNA has information
00:03:28.580 Did you hear that guys
00:03:29.600 Yes
00:03:29.960 This person has an objective evidence for his God
00:03:32.380 That means a Nobel Prize is ready
00:03:34.100 I'm ready to receive it
00:03:35.320 Nobel Prize and Templeton Prize
00:03:36.820 Two fucking million dollars for you
00:03:38.760 I don't need the money, as long as I prove it, that's fine
00:03:40.300 Give me one objective evidence
00:03:40.800 Okay, I'm asking you a simple question
00:03:42.060 Do you believe that the DNA has information?
00:03:44.480 You said you had objective evidence
00:03:45.920 Answer the question, give me one
00:03:47.520 Do you, do you accept that the DNA has information?
00:03:51.180 I'm just asking a simple question
00:03:52.340 Running around
00:03:53.680 Actually, look, I'm asking you, who wants to be a millionaire question?
00:03:56.740 Running around, that's not the objective evidence
00:03:58.280 Okay, I'm just asking, okay, okay, okay
00:03:59.880 Okay, okay, I'm just asking a simple question
00:04:02.600 Does DNA have information?
00:04:06.220 Yeah
00:04:06.660 Okay, good
00:04:07.460 If there's information
00:04:08.520 Genetic information
00:04:09.320 No problem
00:04:09.960 No problem
00:04:10.800 If there's information, it requires intelligence
00:04:13.020 Not necessarily
00:04:15.740 Okay, can you tell me why not necessarily?
00:04:17.940 Why not necessarily?
00:04:19.040 I can give you something
00:04:19.940 A phenomenon in nature
00:04:21.580 Tell me
00:04:22.320 Snowflakes
00:04:24.400 Okay
00:04:25.060 Yeah, snowflakes
00:04:27.420 Have you seen a snowflake?
00:04:28.340 Yes, on a microscope, yeah
00:04:29.300 The hexagon?
00:04:31.420 Yeah, yeah
00:04:31.740 Shape of it
00:04:32.060 Yes, yes, yes
00:04:32.640 No intelligence required
00:04:34.240 It's just a chemical bound
00:04:35.520 Oh, no, no, no, no, no
00:04:36.580 Sorry, one second
00:04:37.120 Those chemical bounds have properties to make that
00:04:39.140 It's a pattern
00:04:40.020 If there is pattern
00:04:41.080 Then there's someone who designed it
00:04:42.500 No
00:04:42.780 Yes
00:04:43.320 Can you tell me how you get a pattern?
00:04:45.140 You're pushing the designer
00:04:46.040 No
00:04:46.360 While you're not proving the designer itself
00:04:48.260 I am
00:04:48.520 I am, I am
00:04:49.760 I'm saying those things that you're talking about
00:04:52.080 Have the innate properties to give it that shape
00:04:54.280 You're saying it came from nothingness
00:04:56.780 I'm saying
00:04:57.400 Okay, where did it come from?
00:04:59.200 Okay, where did the properties to make the snowflake
00:05:01.200 That shape come from?
00:05:03.220 Physics
00:05:03.580 Really?
00:05:06.000 What?
00:05:06.420 Really?
00:05:07.520 One second, one second, one second
00:05:08.780 One second, one second
00:05:10.340 Are you telling me
00:05:11.560 Blind processes
00:05:13.200 Gave rise to this?
00:05:15.780 Do you read
00:05:16.320 For example
00:05:17.080 Are you telling me
00:05:17.860 That the snowflake
00:05:20.020 To the DNA
00:05:20.640 To the atoms
00:05:21.680 Which have information
00:05:22.980 All of them have information
00:05:23.940 You're telling me
00:05:25.080 This just comes from physics
00:05:26.280 What do you mean by physics?
00:05:28.280 What does that mean?
00:05:28.940 Physics is an explanation
00:05:29.940 No, physics
00:05:30.500 Physics tells you how it works
00:05:31.780 Not why it works
00:05:32.420 The way it works
00:05:32.880 Thank you
00:05:33.480 So you're talking about
00:05:34.560 How it works
00:05:35.560 I'm asking you
00:05:36.280 Why it works like that
00:05:37.540 Why is begging the question
00:05:38.600 You demand the reason behind it
00:05:39.640 So where
00:05:40.160 Brother, where did it come from?
00:05:41.280 I want to ask a simple question
00:05:41.960 What gave it
00:05:43.100 These intelligence
00:05:43.960 Information to the DNA
00:05:45.520 To the snowflake
00:05:46.420 To you
00:05:47.040 To the atoms
00:05:47.720 There is information
00:05:49.060 Where does this information come from?
00:05:50.900 It requires intelligence
00:05:51.940 The honest answer
00:05:53.020 We don't know
00:05:53.680 You claim the knowledge
00:05:55.500 While you're not providing anything
00:05:56.660 Very simple
00:05:57.240 To me it's very simple
00:05:58.300 If there is information
00:05:59.540 There has to be intelligence
00:06:00.840 And if there is intelligence
00:06:01.940 Of course it does
00:06:02.640 Give me a contrary argument
00:06:03.940 To something that
00:06:05.060 There is information
00:06:06.500 But has no intelligence
00:06:07.380 I gave you
00:06:09.520 The snowflake
00:06:09.960 No, no, no
00:06:10.440 The snowflake has information
00:06:11.820 You're saying
00:06:12.880 It's the science of the gaps
00:06:13.820 We don't know what it is
00:06:15.320 We're not going to say
00:06:16.020 It's not good
00:06:16.740 So what I'm saying is
00:06:17.700 Where does this information come from?
00:06:19.940 Does it come from nothing
00:06:20.680 Or somewhere?
00:06:22.420 It comes from natural processes
00:06:23.480 Natural processes
00:06:25.040 Blind, blind processes
00:06:26.320 So blind
00:06:27.560 No, no, you can't
00:06:29.340 No, you can't
00:06:29.840 Because it's
00:06:30.500 You can call it sotfah
00:06:31.160 No, you can't
00:06:31.780 A Muslim day loves sotfah
00:06:32.820 No, no, no
00:06:33.360 There is no coincidence
00:06:34.240 In science
00:06:34.640 No, no, no
00:06:35.160 Exactly
00:06:35.480 So you're a determinist
00:06:37.480 Yes
00:06:38.220 You can call me whatever
00:06:39.320 No, no, no
00:06:39.920 Problem
00:06:40.160 If you say
00:06:40.940 I agree with you
00:06:41.740 In science
00:06:42.240 There is no chances
00:06:43.080 So far
00:06:43.680 There is no objective evidence
00:06:45.380 For God
00:06:45.940 We'll let people decide
00:06:46.760 So you believe
00:06:47.480 In science
00:06:48.240 We'll let people decide
00:06:49.180 You believe
00:06:49.820 Brother, you believe in science
00:06:51.160 That science there is no chance
00:06:52.460 I've given you many
00:06:52.980 Brother, you said
00:06:54.760 I said
00:06:54.980 Where did the information
00:06:55.620 Come from the snowflake
00:06:56.400 You said physics
00:06:57.240 You said physics
00:06:59.000 You haven't
00:06:59.500 You haven't given
00:06:59.940 Can you measure
00:07:00.560 Can you measure dark matter?
00:07:02.960 Yes
00:07:03.180 No, you can't
00:07:04.460 Oh my goodness
00:07:05.540 You see the
00:07:06.160 Do you realize
00:07:06.940 You're speaking with a fucking PhD
00:07:08.260 In astrophysics
00:07:08.780 You're doing bad
00:07:09.620 You're doing bad
00:07:10.660 I'm not even a PhD
00:07:11.800 You cannot see it
00:07:13.540 You cannot smell it
00:07:14.240 You cannot touch it
00:07:14.840 You cannot hear it
00:07:15.460 You cannot feel it
00:07:15.960 Measure it
00:07:16.400 Look, brother
00:07:16.960 It doesn't exist
00:07:17.860 Please open Google
00:07:18.380 Forget Google
00:07:19.480 Your PhD
00:07:20.180 Brother
00:07:20.620 You did PhD
00:07:21.840 We measure the gravity of it
00:07:22.760 Brother, brother
00:07:23.700 Can you see
00:07:24.200 Okay
00:07:24.480 The weight of it
00:07:25.000 No, no, brother
00:07:25.560 You see the effects of it
00:07:27.100 You are a person
00:07:28.560 Who believes in science
00:07:29.460 For you
00:07:30.280 You're talking about
00:07:31.160 You're like more
00:07:31.680 Materialistic
00:07:32.500 Not in the money sense
00:07:33.660 Yeah
00:07:33.820 I am a
00:07:34.340 No, not like that
00:07:35.760 Something that you cannot see
00:07:37.180 Touch, feel, hear
00:07:38.100 Or taste
00:07:38.560 You reject it
00:07:39.620 I gave you the example
00:07:40.600 Of dark matter
00:07:41.340 You said
00:07:41.940 We see the effects
00:07:42.720 And I say to you
00:07:43.580 Well, God exists
00:07:44.120 You don't see him
00:07:44.580 But you see the effects
00:07:45.060 You say no
00:07:45.540 What is the effect of God
00:07:46.540 One second
00:07:47.240 You, the universe
00:07:48.920 Our solar system
00:07:49.920 The gravitational force
00:07:51.020 All of these things
00:07:52.000 Are the impact of that
00:07:52.920 Solar system
00:07:53.440 Why that's happening
00:07:54.220 Can you see your consciousness
00:07:55.700 No, no, we're coming to that
00:07:59.120 That's separate
00:07:59.480 No, we're coming to that
00:08:00.360 I'm not going nowhere
00:08:00.880 Let's come to that
00:08:01.540 Can you see your consciousness
00:08:02.560 That's the wrong question
00:08:04.000 Can you see your consciousness
00:08:05.300 That's the wrong question
00:08:05.860 I'm not going to answer the wrong question
00:08:06.880 No, you know why
00:08:07.320 You're not going to answer it
00:08:07.820 Because you know
00:08:08.240 There is no
00:08:08.940 You can't see your consciousness
00:08:09.720 But you believe it exists
00:08:10.680 No, we can see
00:08:11.860 This is the hypocrite
00:08:12.060 No, you cannot
00:08:12.860 Show me the effect
00:08:13.480 Have you ever heard
00:08:15.240 The MRI
00:08:15.800 FMRI
00:08:16.380 No, they're just scans
00:08:17.880 They're scans
00:08:18.840 8 and 9
00:08:19.500 8 and 12
00:08:20.740 You cannot
00:08:21.500 You cannot see the consciousness
00:08:23.000 We can see
00:08:24.100 No, you cannot
00:08:24.660 You cannot
00:08:25.760 You cannot
00:08:26.720 You cannot
00:08:28.080 Functional
00:08:28.460 Okay
00:08:29.340 I'm going to believe
00:08:31.060 No, we cannot
00:08:32.480 No, it's not
00:08:33.320 No
00:08:33.700 That is not consciousness
00:08:36.260 We can see the thought
00:08:38.120 That is not conscious
00:08:39.060 No, you cannot see thoughts
00:08:40.060 You cannot see thoughts
00:08:41.240 No
00:08:41.520 You're talking about
00:08:42.660 The functions of the brain
00:08:43.660 Of memory
00:08:44.240 What?
00:08:45.240 What is responsible
00:08:46.120 To seeing
00:08:46.500 No, it's not
00:08:47.300 No, it's not
00:08:48.020 There is a whole discussion
00:08:49.000 If the consciousness
00:08:49.760 Is even connected to the brain
00:08:50.740 So I'm asking a question
00:08:51.660 I'm going to believe
00:08:52.520 In your consciousness
00:08:53.780 One second
00:08:54.680 One second bro
00:08:55.560 I'm going to believe
00:08:56.200 In consciousness
00:08:56.620 If you can see it
00:08:57.440 If I can touch it
00:08:58.220 If I can feel it
00:08:58.920 If I can taste it
00:08:59.560 And if I can hear it
00:09:00.220 Why?
00:09:01.000 Because I'm going with your world view
00:09:02.280 You're pushing it to that
00:09:03.560 Can I see
00:09:04.020 Can I see consciousness?
00:09:05.480 We can see the effects of it
00:09:06.580 Can
00:09:06.880 Okay, show me consciousness
00:09:07.980 I want to see it
00:09:09.780 Look, I'm doing your world view
00:09:10.900 MRI imaging
00:09:11.320 Thank you
00:09:11.780 MRI imaging
00:09:12.500 Is just showing you a graph
00:09:13.660 Of effects
00:09:14.480 The brain is having
00:09:15.320 I'm talking about consciousness
00:09:16.560 Say to me Ali
00:09:17.480 Here's my consciousness
00:09:18.600 You can't
00:09:20.020 So then don't say
00:09:21.180 Then you shouldn't use your argument
00:09:23.180 That if I can't see
00:09:24.060 I don't believe
00:09:24.420 Because it shoots you in the foot
00:09:25.340 No, no brother
00:09:26.660 You make me obligatory
00:09:27.480 To answer the wrong question
00:09:27.920 You know why brother?
00:09:28.580 Because you're saying
00:09:29.320 I believe in the matter
00:09:30.920 What I see
00:09:31.440 But now you believe in dark matter
00:09:32.980 You can't see
00:09:33.700 You believe in consciousness
00:09:34.620 You can't see
00:09:35.400 You cannot see it
00:09:36.780 Double standards
00:09:38.240 This is why I say
00:09:39.020 It's not fair brother
00:09:40.220 It's not fair
00:09:40.760 It's not fair
00:09:41.200 If you're going to use the criteria
00:09:42.860 The criteria should be brother
00:09:44.560 Not matter
00:09:45.900 Because the moment you say that
00:09:47.220 You are shooting yourself in the foot
00:09:48.600 Why?
00:09:48.900 Because you believe in things you don't see
00:09:50.620 Taste, smell, touch or hear
00:09:51.880 Yeah, even electrons you don't see
00:09:53.240 Thank you
00:09:53.660 But you believe they exist
00:09:54.440 But there's an electronic around you
00:09:55.640 Can you see it?
00:09:56.620 It's made from electrons
00:09:57.000 But that's my point
00:09:57.940 You believe in things you don't see
00:09:59.620 But I tell you God exists
00:10:00.600 You say no, I don't believe him
00:10:01.540 You know why?
00:10:02.480 Why?
00:10:02.840 Because I have the three assumptions
00:10:04.160 What's assumptions?
00:10:05.980 What's an assumption?
00:10:06.860 What's these assumptions that you have?
00:10:08.440 I exist
00:10:09.120 The universe exists
00:10:10.440 How do you know?
00:10:11.680 How do you know it's not the matrix?
00:10:12.560 It's an assumption
00:10:13.100 Okay, good
00:10:13.640 It's an assumption
00:10:14.380 Okay, good
00:10:14.800 You're right, you're right, you're right
00:10:15.480 It's an assumption
00:10:16.020 Okay, can you prove it?
00:10:17.800 You can't
00:10:18.640 It's an assumption
00:10:18.900 Exactly
00:10:19.400 I believe that I'm a dinosaur
00:10:21.800 You can't
00:10:23.620 Yes
00:10:23.980 And I believe I live in Pluto
00:10:25.040 You can't
00:10:26.400 Yes
00:10:26.640 And I fly on Fridays
00:10:29.100 No, no, I believe it's an assumption
00:10:30.720 Yeah, exactly
00:10:31.820 Do you see people laughing at me?
00:10:32.840 You know why?
00:10:33.180 Because it is an assumption that is absurd
00:10:34.980 Yeah
00:10:35.800 Yes
00:10:36.220 But we know to make the best inference to the explanation
00:10:39.060 To the best inference
00:10:39.980 Is that we look at our universe
00:10:41.580 And we see that there's intelligence
00:10:42.980 If there's intelligence
00:10:43.860 There has to be an intelligent design
00:10:44.940 No
00:10:45.080 That's all I'm saying
00:10:45.860 That's all I'm saying
00:10:46.760 According to your logic
00:10:48.000 You're going to go now to special pleading
00:10:49.540 Because the intelligent designer
00:10:50.920 No
00:10:51.860 It means intelligence
00:10:52.940 It requires also another intelligent designer
00:10:54.660 No, it doesn't
00:10:55.040 Design
00:10:55.520 No, that's infinite regress
00:10:56.660 The intelligent being has to be necessary
00:10:58.680 Yeah
00:10:58.860 You see?
00:10:59.400 Special pleading
00:10:59.960 No, it's not special pleading
00:11:00.560 Exactly
00:11:00.860 It's not
00:11:01.240 Because if not
00:11:02.160 If not
00:11:02.980 If not
00:11:03.360 Everything has a designer
00:11:04.480 Except
00:11:05.000 The designer
00:11:06.240 100%
00:11:07.360 You know why?
00:11:07.940 Because if God had a designer
00:11:09.240 Then we have the fallacy of infinite regress
00:11:10.720 Which is who created that designer
00:11:11.980 That created that designer
00:11:12.720 Infinite regress is not fallible by the way
00:11:14.420 It is
00:11:14.760 It is
00:11:15.220 No, I said it's the fallacy of infinite regress
00:11:16.960 No, it's not a fallacy
00:11:18.040 Why is it not a fallacy?
00:11:18.940 In mathematics it's not a fallacy
00:11:20.180 I'm not talking about
00:11:20.720 In mathematics
00:11:21.120 In mathematics there is infinite
00:11:22.340 In mathematics it's logic
00:11:22.780 In mathematics no, it's abstract
00:11:24.320 Math is logic
00:11:25.100 I know it's logic
00:11:26.460 Yeah
00:11:26.780 But in mathematics can you have infinite?
00:11:29.060 Yes
00:11:29.340 Good
00:11:29.740 But in the real world can you have infinite?
00:11:31.240 Yes
00:11:31.500 No, you cannot
00:11:32.420 Yes
00:11:32.780 Okay, show me infinite in the real world
00:11:34.020 The radiation of the sun
00:11:36.320 No, they are finite
00:11:37.060 They are finite
00:11:37.600 The sun is finite
00:11:38.360 The radiation of the sun
00:11:38.900 It's finite
00:11:39.460 What is finite?
00:11:40.680 It's finite
00:11:41.220 Can you count it?
00:11:41.920 Anything is finite
00:11:42.640 No
00:11:43.140 Can you count it?
00:11:43.600 No, it's finite
00:11:44.360 It's infinite
00:11:45.920 No, it's not
00:11:46.600 No, it's not
00:11:47.420 No, it's not
00:11:48.160 What is it now?
00:11:49.040 No, it's not
00:11:49.460 The radiation
00:11:50.140 If the sun is not there
00:11:51.180 Is there radiation?
00:11:52.780 From the sun
00:11:53.420 We're talking about specifically the sun
00:11:54.340 We're talking about the radiation
00:11:55.880 That comes from the sun right now
00:11:57.200 Okay, if the sun didn't exist
00:11:58.540 Now you've given a hypothesis
00:12:00.020 Thank you
00:12:00.440 So therefore the sun requires to exist for us to get radiation
00:12:03.100 Which shows its dependency
00:12:04.380 It doesn't matter
00:12:06.020 It does
00:12:06.740 He said the proof
00:12:07.760 Brother, you said you're a PhD
00:12:08.960 Look at what you're saying to me, brother
00:12:11.060 Look at what you're saying
00:12:12.100 You're saying to me it's infinite
00:12:13.160 I have a PhD
00:12:13.500 And you don't know that we can measure the dark matter
00:12:15.520 Come on, bro
00:12:16.420 From my research, you cannot taste
00:12:17.900 You can't
00:12:18.340 I don't need Google
00:12:19.100 I've already done my research
00:12:19.880 The point I'm saying is this
00:12:20.900 You said the radiation is infinite
00:12:22.740 But it relies on the sun
00:12:23.940 It's dependent
00:12:24.680 I'm not saying about the dependency
00:12:26.820 We're talking about the infinite
00:12:27.740 I'm talking about dependency
00:12:28.640 I'm talking about dependency
00:12:30.220 Do you see the jump in now
00:12:31.000 I didn't jump nowhere
00:12:31.700 No, no, no, no, no, no
00:12:33.160 No, I said
00:12:34.580 We're talking about infinite now, right?
00:12:35.660 Infinite doesn't exist in the real world
00:12:37.040 I said to you demonstrate
00:12:37.960 You know the light bulb?
00:12:38.920 Yes
00:12:39.120 Neon
00:12:39.680 Yes
00:12:40.200 This actually has infinite radiation
00:12:41.940 No
00:12:42.500 Do you know what infinite is?
00:12:44.880 Something that has no beginning or end
00:12:47.620 Oh boy
00:12:49.160 No, it's not necessarily
00:12:50.620 It doesn't exist in the real world
00:12:52.480 Not necessarily
00:12:53.020 Okay, okay
00:12:53.900 If there is infinite
00:12:55.060 Between one and two
00:12:56.020 You can divide those numbers into infinites
00:12:58.500 Between one and two
00:12:59.780 There is limit
00:13:00.740 The moment you divide
00:13:03.760 Take away
00:13:04.260 You add to infinite
00:13:04.900 It's not infinite anymore
00:13:05.620 If I have infinite amount of biryanis
00:13:07.080 And I eat two biryanis
00:13:07.860 How many biryanis do we have?
00:13:10.580 You see
00:13:10.860 If you understand mathematics
00:13:11.960 You know that there is no subtraction
00:13:13.520 Mathematics is abstract
00:13:14.380 And no plus
00:13:14.960 Mathematics is abstract
00:13:16.520 You're talking about a world
00:13:17.500 That is abstract
00:13:18.040 I'm telling you
00:13:18.760 In the real world
00:13:19.740 Infinite doesn't exist
00:13:20.860 And you can't prove it
00:13:22.200 How big is the universe?
00:13:23.380 Where is the limit?
00:13:23.900 It's among
00:13:24.220 No, it's limited
00:13:25.160 It's limited
00:13:26.380 Yes, the universe
00:13:27.140 The universe is limited
00:13:27.980 Yes
00:13:28.360 It's independent as well
00:13:30.500 Yes
00:13:30.940 It is rubbish
00:13:32.600 No problem
00:13:33.360 Let's no problem
00:13:34.780 Let's go to the recycle bin
00:13:35.960 Let's see if it's rubbish
00:13:36.660 One second
00:13:37.120 Do you believe the universe is independent?
00:13:39.100 It's a universe
00:13:39.560 Billions
00:13:40.740 Billions
00:13:41.780 How many?
00:13:42.640 How many?
00:13:43.120 How many?
00:13:45.260 Thank you
00:13:45.780 That is dependency
00:13:46.700 You just gave it a number
00:13:48.400 How can it be infinite?
00:13:49.360 Oh, it's infinite
00:13:49.920 Thank you
00:13:51.000 The fact that you can give estimates
00:13:52.940 Dependency
00:13:53.680 Are you really PhD?
00:13:55.360 No
00:13:55.560 Brother, brother, brother
00:13:56.500 Brother
00:13:56.920 Let's suppose it's 500 quadrillion
00:13:59.000 The moment you give it a number
00:14:00.980 It is dependent
00:14:01.820 So how did you say no, sir?
00:14:04.040 It's an estimation
00:14:04.760 You just disagreed with me
00:14:06.140 And you said there are 34 billion
00:14:07.620 That shows its dependency
00:14:09.060 No, actually
00:14:09.420 That's for a trillion
00:14:10.300 Trillion
00:14:11.180 Even better
00:14:11.940 Trillion
00:14:12.760 The fact that you can give it a number
00:14:14.460 Shows its dependency
00:14:15.340 So it's not infinite
00:14:16.660 So it's not infinite
00:14:17.560 No, that's the only known number
00:14:19.320 They know
00:14:19.780 But that is dependency
00:14:21.660 That's the known number
00:14:22.740 They know
00:14:23.200 Okay, do you know
00:14:23.800 What's the second law of thermodynamics?
00:14:25.520 Energy cannot be created or destroyed
00:14:26.920 Yeah?
00:14:27.620 That's the first law
00:14:28.360 Sorry, first law
00:14:29.180 Thank you very much
00:14:29.620 First law, yeah?
00:14:30.300 First law of thermodynamics
00:14:31.440 Energy cannot be created or destroyed
00:14:32.600 I'm not a PhD
00:14:33.420 You are, right?
00:14:34.340 No, no, this one you did
00:14:34.980 Second law
00:14:35.300 No, no, no
00:14:35.820 You know
00:14:36.480 If you know, yes
00:14:37.180 So it's first law
00:14:38.180 Not second law
00:14:38.680 Okay
00:14:38.880 Now
00:14:39.420 The point is this
00:14:40.460 If energy cannot be created or destroyed
00:14:42.420 That means
00:14:43.100 That for example
00:14:43.980 It doesn't mean
00:14:44.700 That it is infinite
00:14:45.840 It means
00:14:46.600 That
00:14:46.960 It means it's eternal
00:14:47.420 No, it does not mean it's eternal
00:14:48.620 You know why?
00:14:50.100 Because the fact that we have a limited amount of energy in our universe
00:14:53.180 Shows it's dependency
00:14:54.000 I'll repeat again
00:14:56.380 I'll repeat again
00:14:56.980 Energy cannot be created or destroyed
00:14:59.020 Yeah?
00:14:59.620 For example
00:15:00.120 We as Muslims
00:15:00.720 We believe in Jannah
00:15:01.440 Jannah is eternal
00:15:03.000 Post-eternal
00:15:03.820 It eternally relies on God for His existence
00:15:06.440 So energy is the same thing
00:15:08.100 We say energy cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system
00:15:11.080 Yeah?
00:15:11.920 Therefore
00:15:12.280 If it's in a closed system
00:15:13.500 If there's a set amount
00:15:15.380 No, no
00:15:15.680 And it cannot be created or destroyed
00:15:16.720 It's dependent
00:15:17.300 Tell me why I'm wrong
00:15:18.500 Yeah, the PhD
00:15:19.480 Let's correct you, alright?
00:15:20.900 Please correct me
00:15:21.780 It's an isolated system
00:15:22.720 Energy cannot be destroyed
00:15:24.000 Okay
00:15:24.440 What do you mean by isolated system?
00:15:26.680 Okay
00:15:27.040 Physics
00:15:28.240 101
00:15:28.840 This is a closed system
00:15:31.800 It means it can radiate heat to the system around it
00:15:34.860 Okay
00:15:35.220 And it can also get heat
00:15:36.820 Yes
00:15:37.160 From the system around it
00:15:38.200 Okay
00:15:38.420 So it can get energy
00:15:39.640 Yes
00:15:40.180 So in this closed system, yeah?
00:15:42.080 An isolated system
00:15:43.100 An isolated system
00:15:43.860 A system that cannot exchange energy, heat, matter
00:15:47.320 Okay
00:15:48.400 So
00:15:48.760 Is our universe an isolated system?
00:15:50.860 Yes
00:15:51.140 Therefore
00:15:51.700 Is it dependent?
00:15:54.320 Within our universe
00:15:55.660 Universe
00:15:56.100 It is dependent
00:15:57.080 Really, for real
00:16:01.960 For real
00:16:02.860 Give me a break
00:16:03.680 How long?
00:16:04.780 Give me a break
00:16:05.520 How long?
00:16:05.900 No, no, no
00:16:06.320 But really, really
00:16:07.140 You're
00:16:07.740 I'm just looking for answers
00:16:09.180 I'm trying to get answers
00:16:10.260 Let's go back to the verses
00:16:11.480 Of the khsura
00:16:12.140 Go back to the verses
00:16:13.040 But you're going away from this topic
00:16:14.220 You're already saying
00:16:14.680 No, I'm not going away
00:16:15.100 You are
00:16:15.420 Because it's
00:16:16.140 Dependency
00:16:17.160 Infinite doesn't exist in the world
00:16:18.580 It can exchange energy
00:16:19.160 What's your name?
00:16:20.480 Hassan
00:16:20.800 Hassan
00:16:21.100 Hassan
00:16:21.580 Ali, nice to meet you
00:16:22.280 What I'm saying is
00:16:23.060 What I'm saying is
00:16:23.080 Brother Hassan
00:16:23.560 Is that
00:16:24.160 Infinite doesn't exist in the real world
00:16:26.220 My claim is that
00:16:27.160 I know energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system
00:16:29.580 But the point is this
00:16:30.600 Because it can
00:16:31.520 For example
00:16:32.040 If I set this on fire
00:16:32.940 This hasn't disappeared
00:16:33.940 It's just changed form
00:16:34.720 I agree with that
00:16:35.960 But
00:16:36.340 It's changed form to something
00:16:37.840 And the cycle will continue
00:16:39.220 But
00:16:39.940 What I'm saying is
00:16:40.840 If you go to the source
00:16:42.200 Which is
00:16:42.780 I believe the necessary being
00:16:44.040 I believe
00:16:44.840 Allah
00:16:45.660 Created it
00:16:47.080 Gave rise to it
00:16:48.140 This system that we have
00:16:49.580 It's not infinite
00:16:50.500 Because we know
00:16:51.520 Our universe
00:16:52.580 Is either dependent or independent
00:16:53.980 I get your point
00:16:54.780 That's what I'm saying
00:16:55.440 But
00:16:55.880 According to physics
00:16:57.920 An isolated system
00:16:59.080 If it requires a God
00:17:00.260 Then he must be
00:17:01.240 Inside that system
00:17:02.280 Why?
00:17:03.320 I just want to know
00:17:04.100 Because it's an isolated system
00:17:05.320 The name says it by itself
00:17:06.820 It's an isolated system
00:17:07.940 Okay, why does God need to be in the system?
00:17:09.680 I'm just trying to understand
00:17:10.200 Please teach me
00:17:10.740 Because
00:17:11.000 Because the energy inside the system
00:17:12.840 So he has to manipulate the energy inside the system
00:17:15.640 Okay
00:17:15.920 It cannot be outside the system
00:17:17.020 Okay, so we believe
00:17:18.120 Allah
00:17:18.640 Is
00:17:19.340 Outside the creation
00:17:21.780 So we say
00:17:22.840 When Allah wills it
00:17:24.100 Allah gives it these properties
00:17:25.300 For example
00:17:25.960 We don't know
00:17:27.280 If you get a seed
00:17:28.000 And put it on the floor
00:17:28.680 It drops on the floor
00:17:29.460 It might turn into a tree
00:17:30.780 We say
00:17:31.820 Allah gave the properties
00:17:32.960 For the earth to exist
00:17:34.220 For the seed to fall
00:17:35.160 So it's automatically
00:17:36.800 Instantly willed to God
00:17:38.980 It all goes back to God Almighty
00:17:40.080 So we're not seeing it as blind processes
00:17:42.160 So
00:17:42.680 We believe energy is created by Allah
00:17:44.320 The fact that it cannot be created or destroyed
00:17:46.320 Is willed by Allah
00:17:47.380 It has those properties to do that
00:17:49.200 That's contradictory
00:17:49.880 Okay, how?
00:17:50.760 The energy cannot be created
00:17:52.040 Then how can God create it?
00:17:53.120 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
00:17:54.260 Listen to what I'm saying
00:17:54.980 In an isolated system, yeah?
00:17:56.780 We're talking about
00:17:57.780 When the universe
00:17:58.840 I believe the universe is dependent
00:18:01.260 And I believe it depends on Allah
00:18:02.840 So therefore
00:18:03.640 This isolated system of the universe
00:18:05.420 Was willed by Allah
00:18:06.640 And the properties that's happening inside
00:18:08.300 Which cannot be created or destroyed
00:18:09.620 There's an initial process of creation
00:18:11.780 From that moment onwards
00:18:13.360 This is what we believe
00:18:14.080 I'm saying
00:18:14.440 Okay, good
00:18:15.200 So we believe
00:18:16.060 That Allah willed it
00:18:17.280 This isolated system now
00:18:19.220 Has its operations within it
00:18:20.860 Which is what?
00:18:21.860 The energy within it
00:18:22.760 Cannot be created or destroyed
00:18:23.700 It is a function
00:18:24.520 That's all we're seeing
00:18:25.700 Then it's a matter of faith, brother
00:18:27.160 No, it's a matter of
00:18:28.060 If, for example
00:18:29.320 The universe is either dependent or independent
00:18:31.760 Do you believe it's dependent or independent?
00:18:33.540 I believe it's dependent
00:18:34.520 It's what?
00:18:35.240 Independent
00:18:35.560 Good
00:18:35.980 Now, brother Hassan
00:18:36.960 If you believe it's independent
00:18:37.880 Based on the energy itself
00:18:38.940 No problem
00:18:39.520 If you believe it's independent
00:18:41.180 Me and you agree on something
00:18:42.760 We agree that we require an independent
00:18:45.980 Call it a being
00:18:47.560 Call it whatever you like
00:18:48.480 You give that title to the universe
00:18:50.580 I give it to Allah
00:18:51.660 I give it to energy
00:18:52.400 You give it to energy
00:18:53.500 So we will say that your God is universe
00:18:57.400 I would
00:18:58.080 Why?
00:18:58.940 No, no, but let me tell you
00:18:59.560 But let me tell you why
00:19:00.480 I wouldn't worship energy
00:19:01.620 No, no, but let me tell you why
00:19:02.520 But the fact that you believe
00:19:04.580 It's made our universe
00:19:06.660 You are in a nutshell
00:19:08.320 Giving the attributes that belong to Allah
00:19:10.240 To the universe
00:19:11.520 Now
00:19:12.220 At least I have evidence
00:19:13.120 Okay, good
00:19:13.660 Now I say
00:19:14.400 Physical evidence
00:19:14.780 Okay, good
00:19:15.240 My definition
00:19:16.120 You have faith
00:19:16.940 No, no, no
00:19:17.520 I don't have faith
00:19:18.380 Christians, they are full faith
00:19:19.400 With me, I have aql as well
00:19:20.500 With logic
00:19:21.020 Now, independency
00:19:22.700 I kick their asses
00:19:23.900 Yeah, yeah, that's good
00:19:24.700 Together we'll join that
00:19:25.960 Yeah, okay
00:19:26.300 So now
00:19:27.060 Brother Hassan
00:19:28.420 Now, if my definition of independent being
00:19:30.800 Is the following
00:19:31.480 It has to be necessary
00:19:32.800 Self-sufficient
00:19:33.900 Not composed of pieces
00:19:35.520 And cannot be any other way
00:19:37.140 Good, okay
00:19:38.960 Now, anything that is dependent
00:19:40.980 Is something that requires
00:19:42.920 Something else for its own existence
00:19:44.060 Is composed of pieces
00:19:45.620 And it can be any other way
00:19:47.320 Now, do you accept that energy
00:19:50.080 Is a form of
00:19:51.840 It's a piece
00:19:52.360 Like it's composed of pieces
00:19:54.440 Substance
00:19:55.680 Good, it's substance
00:19:56.600 We agree that energy can be any other way
00:19:59.360 You can change form
00:20:00.640 Good
00:20:00.880 I say
00:20:02.180 That is dependent
00:20:03.780 The fact that it's dependent
00:20:05.980 I say
00:20:06.800 What does it depend on?
00:20:07.780 It has to depend on the necessary being
00:20:09.600 That's my argument
00:20:11.200 So when you said
00:20:12.160 I believe energy
00:20:13.180 Is
00:20:13.660 The universe is independent
00:20:14.680 I'm disproving that by seeing
00:20:16.820 If it was independent
00:20:18.380 It would not be composed of pieces
00:20:20.180 And it could not be any other way
00:20:21.580 We know our universe can be any other way
00:20:24.040 And it's composed of pieces
00:20:25.420 Therefore
00:20:26.280 It is dependent
00:20:27.440 If it is dependent
00:20:28.500 What is it dependent on?
00:20:29.860 Which is Allah
00:20:30.240 That's my argument
00:20:30.780 It's still based on faith
00:20:32.880 No, no, no
00:20:33.900 I give logical
00:20:34.700 I give logical
00:20:35.000 I give logical faith
00:20:35.520 I didn't say
00:20:36.280 Uncle
00:20:36.760 I didn't say
00:20:38.140 Let's go close eyes
00:20:39.120 You didn't give anything physical
00:20:39.740 You didn't give anything physics
00:20:40.980 No, Uncle, I did
00:20:42.020 Okay, okay
00:20:42.980 It's a leap of faith
00:20:43.780 And the mu'min
00:20:44.560 That God created
00:20:45.780 And I don't mind that
00:20:46.620 Okay, okay
00:20:46.880 No, no
00:20:47.620 I promise you I'm not giving faith
00:20:48.640 I'll repeat again
00:20:49.280 My definition of dependency
00:20:50.900 Is the following
00:20:51.560 Something that depends on something else
00:20:53.640 For his existence
00:20:54.300 Yeah
00:20:54.780 Okay
00:20:55.380 Guy, I'll drive you one second
00:20:56.340 Because I can't hear the brother
00:20:57.140 Yeah
00:20:57.300 Number one
00:20:58.520 If it's composed of pieces
00:20:59.980 Number two
00:21:00.820 If it can be any other way
00:21:01.980 The first premise
00:21:03.120 Premise
00:21:03.540 It's wrong
00:21:03.760 Why is it wrong?
00:21:05.160 Is energy not composed of pieces?
00:21:06.320 It's dependent
00:21:06.840 No, one second
00:21:07.620 It cannot be created or destroyed
00:21:08.560 So it's not dependent on anything
00:21:09.800 No, no, no
00:21:10.180 The fact that there is a set amount
00:21:12.280 Shows us dependency
00:21:13.280 Set amount?
00:21:14.800 Yes
00:21:15.080 Trillion
00:21:16.280 For trillion
00:21:17.040 Quadrillion
00:21:17.600 Whatever you want to call it
00:21:18.340 The fact that the energy
00:21:19.760 Is in an isolated system
00:21:21.260 The system is limited
00:21:22.740 Even though the energy
00:21:24.600 Cannot be created or destroyed
00:21:25.540 Within the isolated system
00:21:26.840 It is still limited
00:21:28.160 So that's why I was saying
00:21:29.600 Equals zero
00:21:30.160 Sorry?
00:21:31.040 Equals zero
00:21:31.680 What's equal zero?
00:21:33.140 Energy
00:21:33.580 What do you mean equals zero?
00:21:35.460 The whole total amount of energy
00:21:37.020 In the universe
00:21:37.580 Is actually close to zero
00:21:39.680 Okay
00:21:40.340 I don't know what that means
00:21:41.880 Because there is
00:21:42.560 It's like positive and negative
00:21:44.040 So the positive is the energy
00:21:46.140 Okay
00:21:46.600 And what equalizes it
00:21:48.320 Is the gravity
00:21:48.920 So they equalize each other
00:21:50.620 And become zero
00:21:51.260 Okay
00:21:52.660 So
00:21:53.160 They annihilate each other
00:21:54.400 Okay
00:21:55.300 But it has those properties
00:21:56.440 So what I'm saying is
00:21:57.340 That to me
00:21:58.300 Something that's composed of pieces
00:22:00.060 Something that can be any other way
00:22:01.780 Is dependent
00:22:02.740 I know the universe is composed of pieces
00:22:05.060 I know the universe can be any other way
00:22:06.900 No no but one second
00:22:07.780 That's my argument
00:22:08.680 If it's composed of pieces
00:22:10.060 And it can be any other way
00:22:11.040 I say that thing is dependent
00:22:12.760 You said the universe is independent
00:22:15.100 I say it cannot be independent
00:22:16.800 Because it is composed of pieces
00:22:18.060 You're a piece
00:22:18.640 I'm a piece of the universe
00:22:19.440 Therefore
00:22:20.380 If I die
00:22:21.160 It's not the same universe
00:22:22.480 Of course it's the universe
00:22:23.080 But without me
00:22:23.980 It's not going to be good
00:22:24.600 It's going to be a bit boring
00:22:25.460 Yeah
00:22:25.980 So I'm joking
00:22:27.000 Yeah
00:22:27.200 So my wife might differ with that
00:22:29.280 Yeah
00:22:29.440 Anyways
00:22:30.300 Yeah
00:22:30.780 Come to my janazah
00:22:32.040 Please do sadaqa jari
00:22:32.740 So it cannot be
00:22:34.280 It can be any other way
00:22:35.660 Yeah
00:22:35.860 So therefore
00:22:36.760 If the universe is composed of pieces
00:22:38.900 And it can be any other way
00:22:39.900 It is not independent anymore
00:22:41.320 It is dependent
00:22:42.000 What does it depend on
00:22:43.800 Now that thing that it depends on
00:22:45.420 Has to be independent
00:22:46.420 If it's not
00:22:46.940 Then we have
00:22:47.420 Dependency
00:22:48.300 Depends on dependency
00:22:49.040 Then we can have an infinite regress
00:22:50.880 That's why
00:22:51.760 We don't do the special
00:22:52.640 Pleading
00:22:53.280 We say
00:22:54.040 That being has to be
00:22:55.640 Self-sufficient
00:22:56.420 Necessary
00:22:57.440 Cannot be composed of pieces
00:22:58.800 And cannot be any other way
00:22:59.880 That's why it is necessary
00:23:01.540 And that's where everything stops there
00:23:03.140 It's outside the universe
00:23:03.940 It's outside the universe
00:23:04.760 It's created the universe
00:23:06.320 That's my argument
00:23:06.980 Yeah
00:23:07.440 But that's still faith
00:23:09.040 No
00:23:10.120 No
00:23:10.420 You said to me
00:23:11.140 Let me make it clear for you
00:23:13.740 It's the same faith
00:23:14.900 As some physicists say
00:23:16.040 There is universe
00:23:16.900 Universes
00:23:17.740 Outside our universe
00:23:18.840 It's also faith
00:23:19.680 Thank you
00:23:20.200 It's not based on evidence
00:23:21.340 Yeah the same thing
00:23:22.120 That's a theory
00:23:22.640 It's a hypothesis
00:23:24.440 It happens
00:23:24.980 Okay
00:23:25.280 More than a theory
00:23:26.160 To be honest
00:23:26.800 But yeah
00:23:27.560 It's the same faith
00:23:28.340 But I gave
00:23:29.840 Argument
00:23:30.620 I didn't give faith
00:23:31.160 I didn't say blind
00:23:31.940 Just believe
00:23:32.440 No but I didn't say
00:23:33.640 Allah exists
00:23:34.060 Just believe him
00:23:34.640 No no but yours
00:23:35.200 You have a sharia
00:23:35.800 You have Allah
00:23:36.620 Put that to a side
00:23:37.840 That's religion
00:23:38.580 But I didn't come to you
00:23:39.740 With faith
00:23:40.040 I came to you
00:23:40.540 With a logical argument
00:23:41.420 No it's not
00:23:43.220 I did
00:23:43.760 But tell me why not
00:23:44.500 I told you my definitions
00:23:45.380 Of dependency and independency
00:23:46.500 Because you push the energy
00:23:47.080 To be dependent
00:23:47.800 Yes
00:23:48.420 Tell me why not
00:23:49.600 The energy is independent
00:23:50.480 You said it
00:23:50.960 No it's not
00:23:51.560 It cannot be destroyed
00:23:52.360 Or created
00:23:53.040 But okay for example
00:23:54.760 We believe
00:23:56.100 Jannah cannot be created
00:23:57.160 It's something out of nothing
00:23:58.920 That's literal
00:23:59.560 No no no no
00:24:00.580 No no no
00:24:01.400 No no no
00:24:02.640 We believe
00:24:03.580 That something can come from nothing
00:24:04.980 In what sense
00:24:05.940 Allah wills it
00:24:07.060 You believe without an agent
00:24:08.940 It comes from nothing
00:24:09.500 Which is an impossibility
00:24:10.360 I'm not saying
00:24:10.880 It's not coming from nothing
00:24:11.560 Okay good
00:24:12.000 So okay good
00:24:12.780 If it cannot come from nothing
00:24:13.920 Where did it come from
00:24:14.880 It's eternal
00:24:16.460 Okay
00:24:17.360 What's your evidence
00:24:18.120 That it's eternal
00:24:18.620 The first law
00:24:20.640 Which is what
00:24:21.740 Energy
00:24:22.380 It cannot be created
00:24:23.020 It cannot be destroyed
00:24:24.060 In a
00:24:24.500 In a
00:24:26.080 Thank you
00:24:27.280 An isolated system
00:24:28.560 I'm saying is dependent
00:24:29.360 How can an isolated system
00:24:32.420 Very simple
00:24:33.260 Very simple
00:24:33.800 This bottle that I have
00:24:35.200 Inside it
00:24:36.200 Let's say this water
00:24:37.020 Is energy
00:24:37.620 Can somebody please open Google
00:24:38.500 And just write isolated system
00:24:39.940 Can you guys open
00:24:40.620 Please just help him
00:24:41.360 Just write isolated system
00:24:42.120 Just show him
00:24:43.200 Yeah
00:24:43.420 Just write isolated system
00:24:44.580 Write isolated system
00:24:45.560 Now
00:24:45.960 I'm saying
00:24:46.740 Imagine this is the isolated system
00:24:48.240 Yeah
00:24:48.400 In it is energy
00:24:49.640 That cannot be created or destroyed
00:24:50.660 It's just going to be here
00:24:51.540 Forever
00:24:52.480 Argument's sake
00:24:53.060 Yeah
00:24:53.180 That is dependent
00:24:54.980 Because it eternally relies
00:24:57.140 On the necessary being
00:24:58.140 For its existence
00:24:58.920 No
00:24:59.240 Yes
00:24:59.640 That's my argument
00:25:00.460 Yeah but
00:25:00.800 Yes
00:25:01.580 Exactly
00:25:01.860 So as you see
00:25:04.480 Yes
00:25:05.020 Click on this
00:25:05.740 Yeah
00:25:05.900 So you see guys
00:25:07.520 Yes
00:25:07.740 Isolated system
00:25:09.220 Cannot receive energy
00:25:10.520 Yes
00:25:10.900 Cannot radiate energy
00:25:11.760 Yes
00:25:11.940 Cannot receive heat
00:25:12.720 Thank you
00:25:13.140 Closed system
00:25:13.940 Can exchange only heat
00:25:15.360 Which other words
00:25:16.220 Energy
00:25:16.700 Yes
00:25:17.200 And an open system
00:25:18.120 Your argument would work
00:25:19.620 Yes
00:25:19.900 With an open system
00:25:20.620 No
00:25:20.820 It works with all of them
00:25:22.220 You know why
00:25:23.700 Because you said
00:25:24.520 For example
00:25:25.020 It cannot
00:25:25.920 Thank you
00:25:26.880 Please
00:25:27.140 Send it to my house
00:25:28.120 Yeah
00:25:28.400 Really
00:25:29.360 Okay
00:25:29.760 So in an isolated system
00:25:31.540 It cannot receive
00:25:32.380 Or give
00:25:32.920 Yeah
00:25:33.900 Good
00:25:34.300 I have no problem with that
00:25:35.900 I'm saying
00:25:36.680 It is still limited
00:25:38.500 The fact that
00:25:39.700 It cannot be created or destroyed
00:25:40.900 I accept that premise
00:25:42.240 First dynamics
00:25:43.040 First law of thermodynamics
00:25:44.460 Energy cannot be created or destroyed
00:25:46.020 It can change form
00:25:46.700 Fully accept
00:25:47.860 Perfect
00:25:48.440 What I'm saying is this though
00:25:50.080 You're claiming
00:25:50.900 This makes it infinite
00:25:52.640 I say no
00:25:53.340 I'm not saying infinite
00:25:54.080 Okay
00:25:54.360 Eternal
00:25:54.760 Eternal
00:25:55.260 Eternal
00:25:55.720 Okay
00:25:55.960 I say no
00:25:56.860 Because the fact that
00:25:58.200 We ask a question
00:25:58.920 Number one
00:26:00.020 Can you prove
00:26:00.680 That it is eternal
00:26:01.780 In the sense of its existence
00:26:03.260 Not inside the isolated system
00:26:05.120 Because the fact that it's isolated
00:26:07.680 And there's a specific system
00:26:08.800 Shows that it is dependent
00:26:10.320 That's what I'm saying
00:26:11.300 You're talking about inside
00:26:12.120 I'm talking about the outside
00:26:13.720 You're pushing the dependency
00:26:14.680 Without providing any evidence
00:26:15.980 No I am
00:26:16.360 I'm saying inside it
00:26:17.420 Cannot be created or destroyed
00:26:18.340 Yeah
00:26:18.680 But the system within itself
00:26:19.980 Is dependent
00:26:20.520 How do you know?
00:26:21.700 Because it cannot be eternal
00:26:22.760 It can't be infinite
00:26:23.340 It cannot be
00:26:24.180 But you're not providing any evidence
00:26:26.340 I did
00:26:26.640 I did
00:26:26.940 I did
00:26:27.240 I did
00:26:27.900 Very simple
00:26:28.620 Is the isolated system
00:26:29.980 Okay
00:26:30.820 Okay
00:26:31.400 Baba Hassan
00:26:31.960 It's freedom
00:26:32.460 Baba Hassan
00:26:33.140 Is it energy composed of pieces?
00:26:37.120 Yeah
00:26:37.320 Can it be any other way?
00:26:38.840 Like
00:26:39.000 Heat
00:26:40.120 Electric
00:26:40.620 Yeah
00:26:41.040 It's dependent
00:26:42.120 It's dependent
00:26:42.980 No
00:26:43.580 But that's my argument
00:26:45.340 My definition of dependency
00:26:47.420 Is that something composed of pieces
00:26:49.360 And something can be any other way
00:26:50.800 Is dependent
00:26:51.880 Because the opposite of that is
00:26:53.600 The opposite
00:26:54.540 No I'm not
00:26:55.340 Yes yes no
00:26:56.600 Yeah
00:26:56.860 But I'm giving my definitions
00:26:58.440 Composed of pieces can be any other way
00:27:00.560 Those two properties are in the
00:27:02.660 Closed isolated system
00:27:04.280 Therefore it is
00:27:05.760 Requires the independent being
00:27:07.800 Which is not composed of pieces
00:27:08.960 The opposite
00:27:09.360 Which cannot be any other way
00:27:10.880 Therefore this is my argument
00:27:12.880 Alright
00:27:13.900 I accept it
00:27:14.840 Still based on faith
00:27:16.480 I accept it
00:27:17.320 I accept it
00:27:17.860 It was a pleasure talking to you
00:27:18.740 Of course
00:27:19.560 Forgive me if I go with your passion
00:27:20.700 No no no
00:27:22.040 But please let's go back to the verses
00:27:23.860 Please
00:27:24.260 Yes no no let's go to the verses
00:27:25.380 Yeah
00:27:25.560 Surah Fusilat
00:27:26.660 I open my
00:27:27.580 I can read it
00:27:28.340 Where's my phone
00:27:28.900 If you want
00:27:29.960 Yes