Ali Dawah - REACTING TO SIDS IMMODESTY - SID & DINAS PODCAST

00:00:00.000 The honesty is for both males and females.

00:00:02.400 Would you say what he said is worse than taking the hijab off?

00:00:06.600 If he meant what he said and he believes in what he said, it has way worse ramifications.

00:00:11.800 Okay, good.

00:00:12.400 Right now.

00:00:30.000 As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh brothers and sisters and dear friends.

00:00:41.000 Hope you guys are doing well inshaAllah.

00:00:42.000 Before I start, I want to praise Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, the most merciful, the most just.

00:00:45.000 All praises, glory and gratitude belong to him.

00:00:47.000 We are in New York City.

00:00:48.000 Times Square is right behind us.

00:00:51.000 We've been here.

00:00:52.000 Mohammed Hijab had a debate.

00:00:53.000 We're going to put a link inshaAllah to that.

00:00:55.000 He had a debate against a very big Islamophobe who's been attacking the religion,

00:00:59.000 mocking the religion and alhamdulillah he absolutely got intellectually destroyed.

00:01:04.000 Anyway, so you can watch that video.

00:01:06.000 We highly recommend you to watch that video inshaAllah.

00:01:08.000 But let's come to the straight point to our topic today inshaAllah.

00:01:12.000 So basically, as you know about before we came to New York, I did a video about our sister Dino.

00:01:19.000 Which I haven't watched.

00:01:21.000 You haven't watched.

00:01:22.000 Sadly.

00:01:23.000 But alhamdulillah, so it was good alhamdulillah.

00:01:26.000 I just gave my point across, you know, and et cetera, et cetera.

00:01:30.000 It was just a video about the hijab, you know, why women wear the hijab.

00:01:33.000 And I just brought Sister Dino's issue into it as well.

00:01:35.000 And just give a bit of nasir to her and obviously to the sisters that are watching as well.

00:01:39.000 So now this is a new video that came out, you know, a podcast between her and her husband.

00:01:46.000 Yeah, I was hearing it.

00:01:48.000 Because what I was doing, I was revising it for my debate.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, the debate, yeah, yeah.

00:01:52.000 Reading the Bible.

00:01:53.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 And obviously Ali had his podcast.

00:01:56.000 You overheard it.

00:01:57.000 Because I wanted to hear, yeah.

00:01:58.000 Because I wanted to hear obviously like why, you know, why she chose to go down that route. 0.99

00:02:02.000 Because she's our sister at the end of the day.

00:02:03.000 You know, it gives us an understanding of the psychology of our sisters.

00:02:06.000 Why they take that route.

00:02:07.000 And obviously, at Salaam, this is what we do.

00:02:09.000 We try to help our youth in order to, inshallah, make practicing the religion easier for them.

00:02:13.000 For them to love Islam, et cetera.

00:02:14.000 So that's why I keep an eye on these kinds of things.

00:02:16.000 I don't watch every single video of theirs, but it caught my attention.

00:02:19.000 And just to be clear, like, I mean, this whole thing.

00:02:23.000 My position on the matter is that what I heard from the podcast is that the sister, Dina, her name is, yeah?

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 She made it plainly clear that she doesn't believe that she's representing, like, Islam or anything like that in what she's doing.

00:02:35.000 Yeah.

00:02:36.000 I think she's a sister that requires our support.

00:02:38.000 Like, she needs our support and assistance.

00:02:39.000 Definitely.

00:02:40.000 And, you know, you can tell by her voice, to be honest with you, it seems like she's going through some kind of...

00:02:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:45.000 Possibly.

00:02:46.000 I'm not trying to read into this, but it could be that she's going through some kind of psychological issues as well.

00:02:50.000 It can be.

00:02:51.000 It can be.

00:02:52.000 Because she just gave birth as well. 0.90

00:02:53.000 She gave birth as well.

00:02:54.000 I don't know.

00:02:55.000 She seems a little bit like she's going through things in life or whatever.

00:02:56.000 You can even see that in the podcast, like, you know, that she's upset.

00:02:59.000 And I just want to make it...

00:03:00.000 I'm going to go straight to the reaction video. 0.99

00:03:01.000 But before we do, I just want to say to the people who are calling her, you're a disgrace, you're a this. 0.98

00:03:05.000 Please fix up. 1.00

00:03:06.000 Don't be stupid and silly. 1.00

00:03:08.000 Your own wife, your sister can go through this. 1.00

00:03:10.000 Yeah?

00:03:11.000 We have to support.

00:03:12.000 Yes, we've made it clear.

00:03:13.000 What's been done is a sin.

00:03:14.000 She acknowledges it.

00:03:15.000 You don't have to give up to her.

00:03:16.000 That doesn't need to be made clear.

00:03:17.000 It's just ma'loom. 1.00

00:03:18.000 She acknowledges it herself.

00:03:20.000 Exactly.

00:03:21.000 From what she said is that she didn't even...

00:03:22.000 She didn't consider herself a hijabi for three years or something like that.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:27.000 So, yeah, just a minute.

00:03:28.000 Let's get straight into it.

00:03:29.000 This is the podcast.

00:03:30.000 We've got certain bits that we're going to react to, inshallah, yeah?

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 So, anyway.

00:03:34.000 What was I saying?

00:03:36.000 So, that's what happened.

00:03:37.000 I think you were talking about...

00:03:40.000 Because people, obviously, like, I see what's going on because I'm attached to Dina's hip.

00:03:47.000 Probably not hips attached, something else. 0.94

00:03:50.000 But if you're going to do...

00:03:52.000 Okay.

00:03:53.000 So, just to give a little brief here, because we didn't want...

00:03:55.000 We watched Hollywood, but we don't want to go through the whole thing with you guys, yeah?

00:03:58.000 It's just she's talking...

00:03:59.000 Sid is talking to Dina for the whole issue, et cetera, et cetera.

00:04:03.000 The reason why we...

00:04:04.000 This video is called reacting to Sid and not Dina.

00:04:09.000 Here's the reason why you're going to understand.

00:04:11.000 Because, obviously, she's talking, et cetera, about why she chose that decision, blah, blah, blah.

00:04:15.000 We are more concentrated on what's about to happen now.

00:04:19.000 This is what we are really concentrated about.

00:04:20.000 And there's a build-up as it kind of gets worse with our brother Sid.

00:04:23.000 And we thought it is becoming an alarming level where we had to say something about it.

00:04:29.000 So, this is one of the things.

00:04:30.000 So, he's saying...

00:04:31.000 I'll just repeat it again, yeah?

00:04:32.000 We'll just go back again, yeah?

00:04:33.000 You were talking about...

00:04:36.000 Because people, obviously, like, I see what's going on because I'm attached to Dina's hip.

00:04:43.000 Probably not hips attached, something else. 0.94

00:04:46.000 But if you're going to start doing these things...

00:04:49.000 I didn't do anything.

00:04:50.000 That's not allowed.

00:04:51.000 What's not allowed?

00:04:52.000 Don't make these jokes.

00:04:53.000 If you come on Mr. Khan's podcast, you're going to have to listen to...

00:04:55.000 It's not Mr. Khan's podcast, honey.

00:04:56.000 You're going to have to listen to Mr. Khan's jokes.

00:04:57.000 It's on Mr. Khan's podcast.

00:04:58.000 Listen.

00:04:59.000 Listen to me.

00:05:00.000 Babes.

00:05:01.000 No.

00:05:02.000 Okay, listen.

00:05:03.000 Babes.

00:05:04.000 Don't be babes in me.

00:05:05.000 Babes. 0.77

00:05:06.000 I will babes you up.

00:05:07.000 Okay, so now, like...

00:05:08.000 This is one of the first vulgar comments, yeah?

00:05:09.000 Now, some of them used words like the F or...

00:05:11.000 Which I've seen on a few other videos, which we've assumed the best and said, okay...

00:05:15.000 Well, you've got to respect Dina there.

00:05:17.000 She's standing her ground and trying to censor that stuff, you know? 0.99

00:05:21.000 This is what I was kind of like a bit surprised about, yeah?

00:05:24.000 Because a lot of people in the comments section are having a go at...

00:05:28.000 Oh, Dina, you took a hijab off, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

00:05:30.000 Whatever it may be, yeah?

00:05:31.000 Okay.

00:05:32.000 She's acknowledged it.

00:05:33.000 Okay.

00:05:34.000 But what surprises me and shocks me, and this is a big phenomenon within the Muslim community, 0.96

00:05:38.000 is that for some reason they think the hijab, be it the head covering...

00:05:43.000 Modesty is something holistic.

00:05:45.000 It comes as a whole.

00:05:46.000 It's not a segment of this and that.

00:05:48.000 Not a single person in the comments section came and said,

00:05:51.000 Sid, why are you talking in an immodest way, brother?

00:05:54.000 Is that right?

00:05:55.000 You read all the comments like that?

00:05:56.000 Okay.

00:05:57.000 I went through...

00:05:58.000 I was just going through just to see people's perspectives.

00:06:00.000 I didn't come across a comment.

00:06:01.000 You didn't come?

00:06:02.000 I didn't come across a single comment that said, Sid, why are you using vulgar language?

00:06:07.000 Where's your modesty?

00:06:09.000 That's an interesting point.

00:06:10.000 This is very interesting because...

00:06:11.000 Do you know what?

00:06:12.000 There's very strict hadith on these kind of things where you start making sexual...

00:06:16.000 Not even innuendos, but you're making sexual references, yeah?

00:06:19.000 And there's a hadith of the Prophet Muhammad where he told us that the worst of creatures

00:06:24.000 are those individuals who expose their sexual...

00:06:27.000 What they're doing, like, private, publicly and stuff.

00:06:30.000 But to be completely honest with you...

00:06:31.000 He didn't go there.

00:06:32.000 He didn't go there.

00:06:33.000 No, he's going there.

00:06:34.000 With that, I don't want to be more explicit.

00:06:36.000 What is he actually making reference to?

00:06:38.000 But I think a lot of people would know exactly what he's trying to make reference to.

00:06:41.000 It's a sexual act of some sorts.

00:06:43.000 So, frankly, like, I'm happy that Deena kind of stood her ground with that. 0.85

00:06:47.000 I do respect that.

00:06:49.000 And that's what I do.

00:06:50.000 That's what women need to do. 1.00

00:06:51.000 Like, when they find their husbands, you know, going away from the Sharia and doing things 0.99

00:06:59.000 that are not even just against Islam.

00:07:02.000 Like, this is kind of inappropriate kind of stuff.

00:07:05.000 It's good that she took a stand, I believe.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, because I just want to highlight it.

00:07:08.000 I just want to make...

00:07:09.000 If you're watching this, look, brother, we don't have nothing personal against you.

00:07:11.000 I'm making it very clear.

00:07:12.000 What I'm doing is just...

00:07:13.000 We're going to come to why we did this video.

00:07:15.000 We're going to find out.

00:07:16.000 But let's just watch.

00:07:17.000 I just want you to understand.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:19.000 I would not have made a video if it was just this.

00:07:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:21.000 For me, anyways.

00:07:22.000 For me, I personally would have been upset.

00:07:23.000 But, like, this is not the main thing.

00:07:25.000 I'm not on this platform.

00:07:26.000 Listen.

00:07:27.000 If you're going to give advice, there's a way of doing it.

00:07:29.000 A lot of people will give advice in a nice, kind, friendly way.

00:07:33.000 No, but it's not even advice.

00:07:34.000 It's not a thing of if you're going to give advice.

00:07:36.000 It's not advice.

00:07:37.000 That there's a way.

00:07:38.000 Don't give your advice.

00:07:39.000 No, no.

00:07:40.000 You're not a person to give advice.

00:07:41.000 No, I'm not saying that.

00:07:42.000 The principle is wrong.

00:07:43.000 Sadly, on both of their parts, it's wrong.

00:07:45.000 Like, nasiyah. 0.99

00:07:46.000 What was the context?

00:07:47.000 The Prophet SAW said that the deen is nasiyah.

00:07:48.000 You have to give advice, yeah?

00:07:50.000 And Allah SWT says in the Quran that,

00:07:52.000 Let there rise amongst you a group of people who will enjoy good and forbid evil.

00:07:55.000 And we even have a hadith from the Prophet SAW who said,

00:07:57.000 If you do not enjoy good and forbid evil, Allah will send down a calamity

00:08:01.000 that even if you prostrate it will be rejected from you.

00:08:03.000 Thank you for that.

00:08:04.000 But I want to just...

00:08:05.000 I don't know what the context is exactly.

00:08:07.000 I can't remember exactly what she said before.

00:08:09.000 He said, no, you don't need to give advice.

00:08:12.000 I would just say at the end of it.

00:08:14.000 Dina says, don't give advice. 0.97

00:08:17.000 She said, advisingly.

00:08:20.000 What?

00:08:21.000 She advised her.

00:08:22.000 I hear what you mean.

00:08:23.000 And not only that, like Dina, you did give nasiyah to Sid

00:08:27.000 when he made that inappropriate thing.

00:08:28.000 I don't know.

00:08:29.000 But if you advise people not to give advice,

00:08:31.000 it's a contradiction because you're giving them that advice.

00:08:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:08:34.000 I see what you mean, yeah.

00:08:35.000 But maybe she's just coming at that angle.

00:08:36.000 Unless I've missed something.

00:08:38.000 Okay, but...

00:08:39.000 Maybe she's thinking to those who are criticising.

00:08:41.000 Maybe...

00:08:42.000 We'll assume the best.

00:08:43.000 Maybe she's saying to those who are really harsh.

00:08:44.000 Like, I don't want that kind of advice.

00:08:45.000 Oh, okay, okay, okay.

00:08:46.000 Maybe.

00:08:47.000 Maybe, yeah, I don't know.

00:08:48.000 I don't want the context in that.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, let's assume the best.

00:08:50.000 That's the point.

00:08:51.000 Okay, advice is the wrong word.

00:08:52.000 Maybe just...

00:08:53.000 Just some words.

00:08:54.000 Look, if you have something to say.

00:08:55.000 Because I've seen...

00:08:56.000 I've seen...

00:08:57.000 I've seen people that have something to say.

00:08:58.000 They say it in a way.

00:08:59.000 They disagree with you.

00:09:01.000 They say it a bit.

00:09:02.000 They move on.

00:09:03.000 Nah, I was going to say something great.

00:09:05.000 Why are you affecting the Muslim youth, my sister?

00:09:08.000 Well...

00:09:09.000 What's so funny about that?

00:09:10.000 I don't understand.

00:09:11.000 I have a responsibility.

00:09:12.000 I affect the youth.

00:09:13.000 You do.

00:09:14.000 Every single public figure has that responsibility on their shoulders.

00:09:17.000 I personally believe there's nothing funny about it.

00:09:20.000 It's...

00:09:21.000 I am.

00:09:22.000 Oh, you're not.

00:09:23.000 Oh, there you go.

00:09:24.000 Well, I am.

00:09:25.000 Okay.

00:09:26.000 Look, Alhamdulillah.

00:09:27.000 Look, she gave another...

00:09:28.000 You gave another Nasir sister. 1.00

00:09:29.000 You actually gave another advice that you acknowledge that you are.

00:09:33.000 And I applauded for that.

00:09:34.000 I applauded that she...

00:09:35.000 I understand that she is a public figure.

00:09:37.000 That's...

00:09:38.000 I applauded that.

00:09:39.000 Well, I applauded that.

00:09:40.000 I said, okay, let's lose all my following.

00:09:42.000 I'm not fazed. 1.00

00:09:43.000 Shit. 0.99

00:09:44.000 Like, I appreciate the following. 0.99

00:09:45.000 I appreciate you guys.

00:09:46.000 I do.

00:09:47.000 And you guys have stuck around.

00:09:48.000 But you actually can't be disappointed that you're not my everything.

00:09:53.000 Wow.

00:09:54.000 That's deep.

00:09:55.000 You know, that's deep that every single one of us are going to utter under their judgment.

00:09:58.000 Yeah?

00:09:59.000 Obviously, inshallah, we're amongst the righteous ones.

00:10:01.000 But we're going to utter and be like, look, I'm free from you.

00:10:03.000 I don't know none of you.

00:10:05.000 All my...

00:10:06.000 Anyone that's coming and taking pictures with me.

00:10:07.000 Brother, with all your respect.

00:10:08.000 Unless we're among the righteous people.

00:10:10.000 Other than that, I'm going to say, look, I don't know you.

00:10:12.000 And she said a very...

00:10:13.000 She said, look, you're not my everything.

00:10:15.000 You really ain't, like...

00:10:17.000 SubhanAllah.

00:10:18.000 One thing I actually learned from that, because I think that we can all get into this.

00:10:23.000 Me, you, everything.

00:10:24.000 She's a social media person.

00:10:26.000 She's got a big following, doesn't she?

00:10:28.000 Much bigger than both of us put together.

00:10:31.000 Right?

00:10:32.000 And I learned from that, that she's gone through a journey where she's realized that, subhanAllah, 0.99

00:10:37.000 fame doesn't equate happiness.

00:10:40.000 Yeah.

00:10:41.000 And a lot of people go through that journey.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 And I think she's kind of come to that realization.

00:10:45.000 So it's a good lesson for all of us.

00:10:47.000 And I think we could learn from someone like Dina from that perspective, because she's gone and see, she's seen much more than we have in terms of fame and publicity and these things.

00:10:55.000 And she's come to a certain conclusion, I think.

00:10:57.000 And actually, you're not my everything.

00:10:58.000 My life is separate from social media and these things.

00:11:01.000 Social media doesn't equate my happiness.

00:11:04.000 So it is a profound, I would say, psychological kind of realization.

00:11:08.000 It's really true.

00:11:09.000 It's really true.

00:11:10.000 I'd be happy to lose you guys and go and have to work in a regular nine to five.

00:11:18.000 It's a good answer.

00:11:19.000 My pajamas are quite strong. 1.00

00:11:20.000 I should really call you a cock. 1.00

00:11:22.000 Okay. 0.99

00:11:23.000 So right here, he's talking about those people in the Twitter who are involved in MMA or something

00:11:27.000 like that, that are calling her a disgrace. 0.90

00:11:30.000 So he's having a go at them and saying, you are this.

00:11:33.000 Yes.

00:11:34.000 So...

00:11:35.000 They're also quite strong.

00:11:36.000 No, you've only seen one, that's why.

00:11:38.000 Sit.

00:11:39.000 Do you see what he just said there?

00:11:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:42.000 So he's using the word, he's using, this begins with a C, but he's using the word penis. 0.99

00:11:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:47.000 So he's saying, you've only seen one.

00:11:49.000 He's talking to his wife.

00:11:50.000 And there's a video that's going viral.

00:11:52.000 And he's, he's, he's saying, oh, yeah, but you've only seen one.

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 I mean, what?

00:11:57.000 Brother Sid, I'm just being honest with you, just heart to heart, yeah?

00:11:59.000 Why did you find the need to say that?

00:12:01.000 What's the need of using foul languages? 0.90

00:12:03.000 Like what benefit does it bring to you?

00:12:06.000 And you know, like when I, I don't, what did Sid, let's see what Dina said about this.

00:12:10.000 Do you know what?

00:12:11.000 No.

00:12:12.000 Have a filter.

00:12:13.000 You know what, yeah.

00:12:14.000 See, that's what I'm talking about.

00:12:15.000 Bad influence, things like that.

00:12:16.000 I'm not the one sitting here making...

00:12:18.000 I'm a party bar.

00:12:19.000 No, no, no.

00:12:20.000 She's got what she seems to have.

00:12:21.000 Do you know what?

00:12:22.000 To be honest with you, just as someone who's kind of seen this for the first time and, and

00:12:26.000 heard them properly, like for a long period of time, I've come across their videos before,

00:12:30.000 not in this long kind of conversational style.

00:12:34.000 Um, Dina comes across as much more serious.

00:12:36.000 And to be honest with you, I feel like Dina has a lot more to offer.

00:12:40.000 Um, just as a, as a person.

00:12:42.000 And I feel like Sid, in order to overcompensate for this, he might be trying to be a bit more

00:12:47.000 ridiculous, be a bit more frivolous, capricious, because he, I think he realizes that the audience 0.94

00:12:52.000 is more concerned of what his wife has to say. 0.98

00:12:54.000 And if that's the case, I would say that, look, you don't need to do this in order to

00:12:58.000 be recognized, frankly.

00:12:59.000 I mean, you don't need to, um, go down this route of vulgarity and overcapriciousness.

00:13:05.000 Just, just have some self decorum.

00:13:07.000 Follow your wife's advice.

00:13:08.000 Your wife is right.

00:13:09.000 You should just have a self, like you said, have a filter.

00:13:11.000 You know, there's certain things you say, certain things you don't.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's very important.

00:13:15.000 Cause to me, it's like, everyone's concentrating.

00:13:16.000 Okay.

00:13:17.000 Dina's took off a hijab off.

00:13:18.000 Once again, she's acknowledged it.

00:13:19.000 We've said that it's a sin.

00:13:20.000 We've done advice to everybody, just general.

00:13:23.000 But over here, it seems to me more that we are more concentrated on the outer garment

00:13:29.000 than the inner one, like the inner modesty.

00:13:31.000 Because over here, I'm sorry, but hijabs, I'm sorry, Sid's, Sid's modesty.

00:13:38.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:39.000 It's, it's, it's, it's not nice.

00:13:40.000 It's not even, it's not even that.

00:13:41.000 It's not even that.

00:13:42.000 It's not nice at all.

00:13:43.000 It's how to present yourself as a human, a dignified human being.

00:13:44.000 It's not nice.

00:13:45.000 I feel like, from just looking at this for the first time, that Dina seems to have a

00:13:49.000 little bit more self-control.

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 You know, but Sid, it's not, it's really not.

00:13:53.000 I'm just saying to you as a brother.

00:13:54.000 Well, like, it's not nice.

00:13:55.000 Sorry.

00:13:56.000 Sex jokes.

00:13:57.000 It's inappropriate.

00:13:58.000 Stop.

00:13:59.000 No, it really is.

00:14:00.000 Just stop.

00:14:01.000 Chill.

00:14:02.000 I don't like it.

00:14:03.000 It's inappropriate.

00:14:04.000 Inappropriate.

00:14:05.000 And everyone's clubbing and like drinking because.

00:14:06.000 Okay.

00:14:07.000 So this is, this is, this is, this is the big.

00:14:08.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Can I say something?

00:14:10.000 I think that is, is very imperative that a woman's right in Islam.

00:14:13.000 Yeah.

00:14:14.000 She's got first of all, be treated with kindness.

00:14:15.000 Yeah.

00:14:16.000 But also she has a right to a man that really, um, has a lot of self dignity, you know, and

00:14:22.000 if a man consistently in a husband wife relationship, um, kind of disrespects himself, if you like

00:14:29.000 in a public setting, then a, then a wife, she's, she's being, uh, in a sense, she's being

00:14:35.000 deprived of her rights because you are representative of your wife. 0.99

00:14:39.000 You're both representing each other.

00:14:40.000 And if you're talking like that and your wife is not very comfortable with it.

00:14:43.000 My advice to you, brother, is that, you know, you take your wife's advice.

00:14:46.000 Seriously.

00:14:47.000 She seems to be, you know, controlling the discussion a little bit more, has a little

00:14:50.000 bit more, once again, self control.

00:14:51.000 So, you know, take her advice, have a filter.

00:14:54.000 My life.

00:14:55.000 This conversation is.

00:14:56.000 Okay.

00:14:57.000 So this is the part we had a big problem.

00:14:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:00.000 This is so dumb. 1.00

00:15:01.000 Why? 1.00

00:15:02.000 Because it's dumb for me. 0.97

00:15:03.000 It's really dumb for me because before I met Dina. 0.97

00:15:06.000 Before I met Dina. 0.84

00:15:07.000 Before I met Dina.

00:15:08.000 Before I met Dina.

00:15:09.000 I was like, is this a thing?

00:15:10.000 Is this a thing?

00:15:11.000 What women wear? 1.00

00:15:13.000 Okay.

00:15:14.000 I know. 0.96

00:15:15.000 I know it sounds dumb because I'm Muslim. 0.94

00:15:16.000 You know? 0.86

00:15:17.000 And I used to actually be religious.

00:15:18.000 Are you not religious now?

00:15:20.000 I wouldn't say religious, but I used to be like, on the Dean.

00:15:24.000 Are you not now?

00:15:25.000 Are you not on the Dean now?

00:15:28.000 I'm a little bit.

00:15:29.000 I think you're quite balanced.

00:15:31.000 I think I'm a better person.

00:15:32.000 For sure.

00:15:33.000 I'm a better person now than I was before when I was on the Dean.

00:15:36.000 All right.

00:15:37.000 So, this seems to be the biggest, most egregious problem of his comment.

00:15:42.000 He is saying, if I've understood it correctly, because it's completely apparent from what he's

00:15:47.000 saying.

00:15:48.000 And this is what really triggered us.

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:50.000 This is something that really upset us.

00:15:51.000 He's using a comparative in English language, the word better, to signify that his life or

00:15:58.000 his morality had improved as a result of distancing himself away from the deen religion.

00:16:05.000 And in this specific example, Islam.

00:16:08.000 My first question to him would be, from where do you get your moral anchorage?

00:16:12.000 How do you derive morality?

00:16:14.000 Where do you choose?

00:16:16.000 How do you know what is right and wrong?

00:16:19.000 From where do you get what is right and wrong?

00:16:21.000 You know, on an objective level.

00:16:23.000 So, here, because the thing is, we as Muslims, we believe, as you know, that Allah, who is

00:16:30.000 the creator of the heavens and the earth, he sent prophets.

00:16:33.000 And these prophets are sinless prophets who guide people to the straight path.

00:16:37.000 The Quran says,

00:16:38.000 If you love Allah, then follow me, i.e. the Prophet Muhammad. 0.98

00:16:45.000 And Allah will love you back.

00:16:47.000 So, the maximally perfect model, the Uswat-un-Hassana from an Islamic perspective, is the Prophet Muhammad 0.99

00:16:55.000 and all the other prophets that came.

00:16:56.000 What does that mean Uswat-un-Hassana?

00:16:58.000 It's like a perfect example.

00:17:00.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 So, if you're saying that by getting closer to this model, you're becoming a worse person,

00:17:07.000 then this would contradict the premise of Islam on a fundamental level.

00:17:13.000 So, you need to reassess.

00:17:14.000 My advice to you, brother, would be for you to reassess, where do you actually get your

00:17:20.000 morality from?

00:17:21.000 What do you consider a good thing?

00:17:23.000 What do you consider a bad thing?

00:17:25.000 What do you consider what makes you good?

00:17:26.000 What makes you bad?

00:17:27.000 And these things.

00:17:28.000 As Muslims, we say, that which is closest to the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad and all

00:17:32.000 the other prophets are good things.

00:17:34.000 And those which are further away from it are bad things.

00:17:37.000 And finally, I want to say one other thing, which I feel a little bit ironic in a sense.

00:17:42.000 And this might sound a little bit harsh.

00:17:43.000 Now, I apologize if it does come across like that.

00:17:46.000 I'm not trying to be like that.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 But it seems like your wife, obviously, she was a hijab tutorialist or something like that.

00:17:55.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 So clearly, she relied on a Muslim community in order to propel herself to this position 1.00

00:18:01.000 that she's in to make a living.

00:18:03.000 You were assisted by her on going to social media.

00:18:07.000 And it seems like now, this is the feeling that you're biting the hand that fed you.

00:18:12.000 Because the Muslim community who are being referenced implicitly throughout this whole

00:18:18.000 podcast, the hijabi community, these things.

00:18:21.000 And the Muslim community who brought you up, now you're trying to distance yourself away 1.00

00:18:25.000 from them.

00:18:26.000 And you're kind of almost kind of placing blame on them.

00:18:30.000 But this part here is even more egregious than that.

00:18:33.000 Because you're saying that the deen itself, the religion itself, being further away from

00:18:37.000 it has improved you.

00:18:38.000 So, you're going to have to retract that statement, in my opinion.

00:18:42.000 And you're going to have to reconsider where you get your morality from.

00:18:45.000 Otherwise, it's just going to be a case of...

00:18:47.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 You could have said Muslims.

00:18:49.000 You could have said Muslims.

00:18:50.000 Some Muslims.

00:18:51.000 No, no.

00:18:52.000 It's just going to be a case.

00:18:53.000 It's just going to be a case of, for me, like, someone who has internally, has internalized

00:19:00.000 like a colonial criticism of Islam.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 Oriental criticism of Islam.

00:19:04.000 And that's what you come across as, to be honest with you.

00:19:06.000 Honestly, sometimes you come across as someone who's trying to overprove his liberalism.

00:19:12.000 Ah, I'm moderate.

00:19:13.000 I'm liberal in these things.

00:19:14.000 Distinking yourself away from Islam. 1.00

00:19:16.000 And throughout the podcast, when your wife tried to have a few meaningful conversations

00:19:19.000 about religion, you seem to want to move away from that.

00:19:23.000 So, I would say, look, man.

00:19:25.000 Reassess the purpose of life, to be honest with you.

00:19:27.000 Yes, because you know, Allah SWT says in the Quran, the people of the book will never be 1.00

00:19:30.000 happy with you until you leave your religion. 1.00

00:19:33.000 Simple as that, you know.

00:19:34.000 And it's very important for all of us.

00:19:36.000 It's a reminder to me to educate.

00:19:37.000 Until you follow their way.

00:19:38.000 We need to educate ourselves on Islam.

00:19:40.000 Because if you truly, like, I'm sure you do.

00:19:42.000 I'm just saying, if you went a bit in detail and studied your religion, you will understand

00:19:45.000 the beauty of it and not say, oh, it made me, I'm a better person than I was before.

00:19:48.000 But let's see what Dina says about this.

00:19:51.000 But...

00:19:52.000 But you're practicing Muslim. 0.85

00:19:53.000 Yeah, I'm practicing Muslim.

00:19:54.000 Like, a lot of...

00:19:55.000 Subhanallah, look, do you see that the fact that Sister Dina had to come in there and interject

00:19:58.000 and say that you are practicing?

00:20:00.000 Because it seemed like, like Sid, you're coming across like you're not practicing with that

00:20:04.000 statement.

00:20:05.000 Because Dina felt like, you know, you're saying it made you a better person.

00:20:07.000 But Dina... 1.00

00:20:08.000 Let's see what she says.

00:20:09.000 Let's see what she says.

00:20:10.000 I want people to think we're not practicing.

00:20:11.000 No, no, I'm practicing Muslim, by the way.

00:20:12.000 Like, we're both very much Muslim.

00:20:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:15.000 Alhamdulillah.

00:20:16.000 That's good.

00:20:17.000 I'm Muslim.

00:20:18.000 Well, what do you want me to say?

00:20:19.000 No, but like, because a lot of people...

00:20:20.000 Okay, you're not letting me finish my point, mate.

00:20:23.000 So, I've got three sisters.

00:20:24.000 Two older, one younger.

00:20:26.000 They never wore a scarf 24-7.

00:20:29.000 They just...

00:20:31.000 sometimes plonk it on their head when people are, like, reciting Quran or something or going

00:20:34.000 to the mosque.

00:20:35.000 Just plonk it on your head quick time.

00:20:37.000 No pins, none of that.

00:20:39.000 Just plonk it on your head a little bit sometimes.

00:20:41.000 So, when I met Dina and I was like, wait, you wear that 24-7?

00:20:45.000 Like, just...

00:20:47.000 You just wear that when you go out?

00:20:49.000 Just...

00:20:50.000 You don't take...

00:20:51.000 You know what? Sorry, can I make a comment about this?

00:20:52.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 I don't actually believe...

00:20:54.000 I don't actually believe, I'm sorry to say, I don't actually believe that your level

00:20:57.000 of ignorance has reached a level where you don't actually think that women put their 1.00

00:21:00.000 headscarf every time. 0.81

00:21:01.000 Because it's a visible reality.

00:21:03.000 Like, all you have to do is walk in the streets of London and you know that women don't 1.00

00:21:06.000 put their heads out in a...

00:21:08.000 So, in a nutshell, what we're saying is we're just...

00:21:10.000 I'm just trying to highlight here, yeah, is that...

00:21:12.000 I'm sorry, you can't have a...

00:21:15.000 You can't just concentrate on sister Dina while brother Sid is saying thing. 0.83

00:21:19.000 I'm sorry, I find it pathetic. 0.94

00:21:21.000 And especially sisters. 0.97

00:21:22.000 I was expecting the sisters to come out and at least say, you know what?

00:21:24.000 Hold on a second.

00:21:25.000 What about Sid and the foul language and the stuff they use?

00:21:27.000 Whatever, man.

00:21:28.000 Whatever.

00:21:29.000 It's not a gender issue here.

00:21:30.000 Seriously.

00:21:31.000 No, seriously.

00:21:32.000 This is really important but it shows where we're at.

00:21:33.000 Modesty is for both males and females.

00:21:35.000 And females. 0.95

00:21:36.000 But it's not...

00:21:37.000 For me, the issue has been not...

00:21:38.000 No, no, no.

00:21:39.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:21:40.000 That is a proof of issue.

00:21:41.000 Yes, and that is...

00:21:42.000 What you mentioned is not...

00:21:43.000 For me, the central issue, yeah, with his, what he said...

00:21:47.000 Would you say what he said is worse than sister Dina taking the hijab off?

00:21:51.000 If he meant what he said.

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 And he believes in what he said.

00:21:54.000 Yeah.

00:21:55.000 It has way worse ramifications.

00:21:56.000 Okay, good.

00:21:57.000 So, right now, I consider him, yeah, I consider him a little bit unaware.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:01.000 I'm not going to use the word...

00:22:02.000 I think he's a bit unaware of the implications of what he's saying.

00:22:05.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 And I really...

00:22:07.000 I do genuinely feel, I hope, hope, really, yeah, that he reconsiders, number one, what

00:22:10.000 he's actually saying.

00:22:11.000 Number two, where his source of moral anchorage comes from.

00:22:15.000 And number three, his purpose of life.

00:22:17.000 Generally, yeah.

00:22:18.000 What is it...

00:22:19.000 Ask yourself a simple question.

00:22:20.000 What is your purpose of life?

00:22:21.000 Yeah.

00:22:22.000 Seriously.

00:22:23.000 And you can just go back to basics and then try a lot of things will fall into place.

00:22:24.000 Exactly.

00:22:25.000 I want to just wrap up.

00:22:26.000 Just the fact that we are concentrating more on Sister Dina's hijab, which once again,

00:22:30.000 we've acknowledged, and not what Sid said, if he meant it like that, shows our understanding

00:22:34.000 of the religion.

00:22:35.000 We do not understand it.

00:22:36.000 And we need to go back to...

00:22:37.000 No, I agree with that point.

00:22:38.000 We need to.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:22:40.000 100%.

00:22:41.000 It's because it's embarrassing.

00:22:42.000 We are more concentrated in that, which is, of course, as well.

00:22:45.000 Sid is going through something, may Allah make it easy for her.

00:22:47.000 But Sid saying that, and not a single comment, not a single video on this topic shows

00:22:52.000 our priorities are in the wrong place.

00:22:54.000 You're absolutely right.

00:22:55.000 Wrong place.

00:22:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:57.000 Because she even said herself, I don't consider myself a hijab for three years.

00:22:59.000 Exactly.

00:23:00.000 I heard her say that in the podcast.

00:23:01.000 Let's finish this, man.

00:23:02.000 So, yeah, just to finish this off.

00:23:03.000 Jazakallah khairan.

00:23:04.000 May Allah bless you guys, inshallah.

00:23:05.000 Once again, forgive us.

00:23:06.000 Sid, look, we're not, we're just here as your brother.

00:23:08.000 We're giving you advice.

00:23:09.000 Don't take this.

00:23:10.000 We've got nothing personal against you.

00:23:11.000 Come, we'll talk and eat one day.

00:23:13.000 If you want to come down.

00:23:14.000 We have got nothing personal against you.

00:23:15.000 Speaker's Corner or whatever.

00:23:16.000 We'll come down to it.

00:23:17.000 You live near Musafik.

00:23:18.000 Yes.

00:23:19.000 We need to go.

00:23:20.000 We've got a flight to catch.

00:23:21.000 We've got a flight to catch.

00:23:22.000 We need to leave.

00:23:23.000 You live near Musafik.

00:23:24.000 You live near Musafik.

00:23:25.000 All right.

00:23:29.000 I wonder how the airается and escape the air tank in the sky.

00:23:31.000 That's OK.

00:23:32.000 We're going down.

00:23:33.000 I'm going down to a ride.

00:23:35.000 Oh, man.

00:23:36.000 We'll have one day.

00:23:37.000 I don't think volume should be in the battle room.

00:23:40.000 I love to go down below.

00:23:41.000 Maybe there's an enemy supply center here.

00:23:42.000 I wish, but one day ...

00:23:43.000 I do the medical hav fifty-fuse for other people value.

00:23:44.580 It's inniikia. 0.89

00:23:46.000 If you want some additional הוא, the helmet should be. 0.99

00:23:47.000 So we want some ownership or what you want to twice because of the air.

00:23:48.000 The prize Vale in the chair is a lie-fuse for three years.

00:23:50.120 This is about the nineragen Flewman's power for three months. 0.87

Ali Dawah - November 13, 2018

REACTING TO SIDS IMMODESTY - SID & DINAS PODCAST

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