Ali Dawah - February 21, 2018SHOW ME F@#!ING!! EVIDENCE - POLISH ATHEIST - SPEAKERS CORNER
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Summary
In this episode, I have a conversation with a person who doesn't believe that God exists and wants to prove to me that God is a real thing. We talk about what it means to believe in God and how to prove it.
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My question is, I want like the f***ing stiff evidence.
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Can you prove it to me that your God is a real thing, not your delusion?
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If you're in the middle ages, in the old ages, people see the thunder.
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They didn't understand. They didn't make a point.
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And they created the God who was throwing the car.
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My question is, on the weak evidences about your God, how you can still believe it?
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Nothing like stepping around, about the morality, about this.
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So, okay, you asked a question. What's your name?
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Okay, so now, what you said is, you said that men made God, God didn't make man.
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This is my assumption according to history, which I read in my class.
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Okay, so if I proved to you with solid evidence that there is a creator,
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Of course, because this is not what I approve or not.
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This is what the evidence, standard evidence showing.
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If I go against the standard evidences, I will be stupid.
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Oh, this is... I make a call. I say, I don't believe you.
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This is evidence that the colleague is actually making a call.
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Okay. All right. No problem. That's a good thing.
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Yeah. It's rare to have people like you in the park
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because a lot of people are stubborn and they want to...
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So, it's good to have a nice conversation with you.
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I haven't had this in a long time, so I'm quite excited today, yeah?
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I'm going to prove to you that God Almighty exists, yeah?
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And how I'm going to do that is I'm going to do it in a few ways.
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We believe there is one creator who's created the heavens and the earth, yeah?
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Can you show me anything that's come from nothing?
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Because I don't know if something comes from nothing.
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Therefore, I cannot show you something comes from nothing.
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And you will be melted in the lamppost material...
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Do you see a human being or a lamppost in front of you?
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We acknowledge, using our conscious, our rationality...
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Basic logic that I'm a human being and I can't be a lamppost.
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If I don't have that knowledge, I can say I don't know.
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No, but you saying I don't know, it doesn't answer.
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It's just like saying, okay, I'm going to avoid...
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Look, it's an impossibility just the way I can't be a lamppost.
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Yeah, if you're born as a turtle, you can be a turtle.
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How does that pseudo-physiological question prove anything?
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Right now, is there a possibility that I can decide to be a tree?
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Because you're expecting me to follow your illogical...
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Is there a chance for me to turn into a potato?
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So, therefore, what you did is you used your rationality to come to a...
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A logical decision that I cannot become a potato.
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So, that was you using your faculties to come to a conclusion.
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That's the same way I'm asking you this question.
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Yeah, but you see, the problem is we know about the potato and you right now.
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If you don't know physics, you cannot talk about physics.
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The time, it's a past and the future going from infinity...
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I'm a believer in God and I'm bringing you arguments that are based in our reality.
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I said, is there a chance of me being a potato?
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There is more of a chance, maybe, of me becoming a potato than something coming from nothing.
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Something coming from nothing is an impossibility.
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Okay, can you show me one example of zero can equal one?
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The effect of my consciousness is that I'm talking with you.
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Right now, I'm going to imagine something in my head.
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In the future, people develop their tools which allow us to reset...
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Because you're saying, we will put electrodes in your head.
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All you see with electrodes is things happening.
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Because a minute ago, I was imagining a chocolate strawberry.
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And mathematics are the figures of our imagination.
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So zero, not equaling one, is the representation of nothing, cannot make something.
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I cannot show you because I told you I don't know.
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Therefore, it requires that it has to be created.
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Okay, can you show me infinity in this real world?
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So therefore, my premise that I'm building is from nothing, nothing comes.
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If 20 years they prove it that the world comes from nothing, it means that all atoms...
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I said to you, can you prove me anything that comes from nothing?
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Can you prove me that something comes from something?
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It's something from the atoms which can come from nothing.
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Because they've got all this specific field or work.
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Even Professor Krauss, he self-admitted that the nothing he's talking about is not nothing.
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If they're created from the atoms who were created from nothing.
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Can you prove to me that atoms came from nothing?
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If you don't know that, it doesn't mean yes or no.
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So you said that you can go and see this phone being made.
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My experience doesn't count for everything that was created.
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So are you telling me the only reason you will believe that this iPhone is designed is if
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So therefore, how do you come to the conclusion that this is designed?
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It's designed because I can go to the Apple and check it.
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If we don't go to the Apple, are you telling me that you cannot prove to me this is designed?
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If you allow me, I'm going to make the connection.
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This right now is going to be clear to approve.
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I said, do you believe this is created because you went to the factory?
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So therefore, I said, how else can we prove it?
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He said, obviously, we'll take it in our hands and we will look.
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You said, I don't need to go to the factory to believe that this is designed.
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You said, we will take it in our hands and we will see.
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Complex in design and nature and the way it works.
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How can you prove it that the blueprint of the universe...
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How can you practically show me the blueprint of the universe?
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I said to you, did you go and see the man who made this?
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I said, did you go and see the man who made this?
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You believe this is designed when you haven't seen the person who made it and the way he designed it.
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The universe is billions and trillions times more complex than this phone.
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If you believe, if you believe, you did not see the one who made this, you didn't see how it was designed,
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and you believe this is designed, and by default you have to accept this design.
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Because this is the apple, not the god, and not universe.
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Because, first of all, this is apple and the oranges.
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Therefore, you cannot use them as a comparison.
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So therefore, me and a turtle, we're not the same.
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I cannot reject something, but I think it doesn't exist.
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You can't reject something that you believe doesn't exist.
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Why are you telling me that I reject something?
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Wait, why are you telling me I reject something?
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Why are you telling me I'm rejecting something that I don't believe?
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Because of the premise that I use with the phone.
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You did not see with your eyes the one who made it, but you believe it's made because
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You did not see God, but you reject the universe.
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No, because contradiction is you're comparing apple and oranges.
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Because you know the problem is, I can go with you, your apple, and show the blueprint.
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If you know that God created the universe, can you bring me...
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Because you claim the God created the universe.
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Robert, have you seen the blueprint of this phone?
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Because you said to me, Ali, have you seen the blueprint of the universe?
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Because you're making a positive statement that the God exists.
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If you would like to prove it, you have to bring me the blueprint of the universe.
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Not necessarily intelligence or somebody who writes it.
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Because man is not an intelligent person who writes a book.
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So my premise here, my second argument, my premise is this.
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Your argument is, if there is written by humans, that the universe or space or whatever
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Can we agree on the premise that if there's information, there has to be intelligence?
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When we go to the hieroglyphics, we see information.
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And we went and found the Rosetta Stone and we deciphered the hieroglyphics.
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Therefore, we saw that there's information and it requires intelligence.
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If you took every book on this planet and put it together.
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It will not be equivalent to an information in one strand of a DNA cell.
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If there's information that requires intelligence, there's information in the DNA.
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So DNA, does it work on its own or do we tell it's work?
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It's information how it replicates itself and how it adjusts.
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So then, that book that was written, there's no intelligence behind it?
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So therefore, if there is information, there's intelligence.
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If you see the castle made by the ants, it is intelligent made?
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Robert, you said, you're a sincere man, and I believe you are, yeah?
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These are my two evidences that I brought forth, yeah?
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And I gave you the premise, and you're rejecting the premise, yeah?
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The DNA has information, it requires intelligence.
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You just said, if there's information, it requires...