Ali Dawah - February 21, 2018


SHOW ME F@#!ING!! EVIDENCE - POLISH ATHEIST - SPEAKERS CORNER


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In this episode, I have a conversation with a person who doesn't believe that God exists and wants to prove to me that God is a real thing. We talk about what it means to believe in God and how to prove it.

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00:00:00.000 My question is, I want like the f***ing stiff evidence. 0.67
00:00:06.000 Does the DNA have information?
00:00:08.000 Is the information the DNA?
00:00:10.000 It's information.
00:00:11.000 If there's information it requires?
00:00:13.000 Somebody who writes information, yes?
00:00:15.000 Thank you.
00:00:16.000 That's my point. You just accept the God.
00:00:21.000 So you're saying, why...
00:00:22.000 Can you prove it to me that your God is a real thing, not your delusion?
00:00:28.000 I think the God is a human made stuff.
00:00:31.000 And you know where it comes from?
00:00:33.000 If you're in the middle ages, in the old ages, people see the thunder.
00:00:38.000 They didn't understand. They didn't make a point.
00:00:41.000 And they created the God who was throwing the car.
00:00:43.000 My question is, on the weak evidences about your God, how you can still believe it? 0.89
00:00:49.000 I want like the f***ing stiff evidences.
00:00:54.000 Nothing like stepping around, about the morality, about this. 0.77
00:00:59.000 I want something real, which is tangible.
00:01:02.000 So, okay, you asked a question. What's your name?
00:01:04.000 Robert.
00:01:05.000 Robert, I'm Ali, yeah? Nice to meet you.
00:01:06.000 Okay, so now, what you said is, you said that men made God, God didn't make man.
00:01:11.000 No, no, no. I mean, I assume...
00:01:13.000 Man created God.
00:01:14.000 No, no. That's my assumption. I think that...
00:01:16.000 Your assumption.
00:01:17.000 This is my assumption according to history, which I read in my class.
00:01:21.000 Okay, so if I proved to you with solid evidence that there is a creator,
00:01:26.000 Yes.
00:01:27.000 Are you willing to take that on board?
00:01:28.000 Of course, because this is not what I approve or not.
00:01:32.000 This is what the evidence, standard evidence showing.
00:01:35.000 Okay. 1.00
00:01:36.000 If I go against the standard evidences, I will be stupid. 0.99
00:01:39.000 That's good. 0.98
00:01:40.000 If I take mobile phone and I say,
00:01:42.000 Oh, this is... I make a call. I say, I don't believe you.
00:01:44.000 Make it. And I make a call.
00:01:46.000 Okay.
00:01:47.000 This is evidence that the colleague is actually making a call.
00:01:49.000 Okay. All right. No problem. That's a good thing.
00:01:50.000 So, at least that's good because it's rare...
00:01:51.000 It's almost intellectually open, yeah.
00:01:53.000 Yeah. It's rare to have people like you in the park
00:01:55.000 because a lot of people are stubborn and they want to...
00:01:57.000 So, it's good to have a nice conversation with you.
00:01:59.000 I haven't had this in a long time, so I'm quite excited today, yeah?
00:02:01.000 Yeah.
00:02:02.000 I'm going to prove to you that God Almighty exists, yeah?
00:02:04.000 Yeah.
00:02:05.000 And how I'm going to do that is I'm going to do it in a few ways.
00:02:07.000 Okay.
00:02:08.000 Now, firstly, I'm a Muslim.
00:02:10.000 Yes.
00:02:11.000 We don't believe God is a man.
00:02:12.000 We don't believe there's 20 gods.
00:02:14.000 We believe there is one creator who's created the heavens and the earth, yeah?
00:02:17.000 So, we don't believe God has a son.
00:02:19.000 We don't believe he has a wife.
00:02:20.000 We don't believe he has a mother.
00:02:21.000 God is free from any need.
00:02:24.000 He's the power for the Almighty.
00:02:26.000 Okay.
00:02:27.000 So, can nothing bring something?
00:02:29.000 I don't know.
00:02:30.000 No? Okay.
00:02:31.000 I don't know because how can I...
00:02:32.000 How can I...
00:02:33.000 If I be intellectually honest...
00:02:34.000 Okay.
00:02:35.000 I don't know. I am not a physicist.
00:02:36.000 Can you show me any example?
00:02:37.000 In that case, I have to be.
00:02:38.000 Because, you see, the problem is...
00:02:39.000 If you allow me...
00:02:40.000 If I claim something...
00:02:41.000 No, no.
00:02:42.000 I cannot make sure myself say this...
00:02:43.000 Okay, okay.
00:02:44.000 Can you show me anything that's come from nothing?
00:02:46.000 If I can't show you...
00:02:47.000 Anything that's not come from nothing?
00:02:50.000 I don't know.
00:02:51.000 So, it doesn't.
00:02:52.000 So, if it's not anything...
00:02:53.000 No, no, no.
00:02:54.000 It doesn't.
00:02:55.000 I can't show you...
00:02:56.000 I can't show you...
00:02:57.000 I say...
00:02:58.000 I don't know.
00:02:59.000 Because I don't know if something comes from nothing.
00:03:01.000 No, no, no.
00:03:02.000 Therefore, I cannot show you something comes from nothing.
00:03:04.000 There's another answer, which is...
00:03:05.000 I don't know.
00:03:06.000 No, no, no, no.
00:03:07.000 But this is...
00:03:08.000 This is not a matter of...
00:03:09.000 This is not an answer of I don't know.
00:03:10.000 If I said to you...
00:03:11.000 What answer do you expect?
00:03:12.000 Because...
00:03:13.000 I tell you...
00:03:14.000 If you allow me to make my point.
00:03:15.000 If I say to you...
00:03:16.000 What's the chance that I'm a lamppost?
00:03:18.000 What's the chance a lam...
00:03:20.000 Lamppost?
00:03:21.000 Can I be a lamppost?
00:03:22.000 You could be.
00:03:23.000 With the...
00:03:24.000 If you compare your atoms...
00:03:25.000 I can be a lamppost.
00:03:26.000 No, no, no.
00:03:27.000 Lamppost, lamppost.
00:03:28.000 No, no, no.
00:03:29.000 Literal, literal lamppost.
00:03:30.000 Yes.
00:03:31.000 If you redesign your atoms...
00:03:32.000 And you will be melted in the lamppost material...
00:03:34.000 You can be lamppost.
00:03:35.000 No, no, no.
00:03:36.000 I'm talking about me, myself now.
00:03:37.000 Can I be a lamppost?
00:03:38.000 Can I be a lamppost?
00:03:39.000 Do you believe that he's a lamppost right now?
00:03:40.000 Is he a lamppost?
00:03:41.000 What is the name?
00:03:42.000 Right now.
00:03:45.000 Do you see a human being or a lamppost in front of you?
00:03:47.000 I see a human being.
00:03:48.000 Can I be a lamppost at the same time?
00:03:50.000 Not at the same time.
00:03:51.000 Okay, so therefore...
00:03:52.000 We acknowledge, using our conscious, our rationality...
00:03:55.000 Basic logic that I'm a human being and I can't be a lamppost.
00:03:58.000 So, therefore...
00:03:59.000 Why it's relevant to your God?
00:04:00.000 It's very relevant.
00:04:01.000 No, not to my God...
00:04:02.000 You're making assumptions.
00:04:03.000 No, no, it's approving you.
00:04:04.000 Because you're saying...
00:04:05.000 Nothing, from nothing, something can come.
00:04:06.000 Where are you getting this from?
00:04:07.000 No, no, no.
00:04:08.000 I said I don't know.
00:04:09.000 This is the difference.
00:04:10.000 But what do you mean you don't know?
00:04:11.000 This is...
00:04:12.000 Because I am...
00:04:13.000 Intellectually honest.
00:04:14.000 No, but this is...
00:04:15.000 There's first answer.
00:04:16.000 There's answer.
00:04:17.000 You know that...
00:04:18.000 Something can come...
00:04:19.000 But this is rationality.
00:04:20.000 This is common rationality.
00:04:21.000 No, no.
00:04:22.000 Rationality is based on knowledge.
00:04:23.000 If I don't know...
00:04:24.000 If I don't have that knowledge, I can say I don't know.
00:04:28.000 No, but you saying I don't know, it doesn't answer.
00:04:30.000 It's just like saying, okay, I'm going to avoid...
00:04:32.000 It's...
00:04:33.000 Because if I say I know...
00:04:34.000 It's an impossibility.
00:04:35.000 It's an impossibility.
00:04:36.000 I will make claim unnecessarily.
00:04:37.000 No, but it's an impossibility.
00:04:38.000 Look, I can't...
00:04:39.000 Look, it's an impossibility just the way I can't be a lamppost.
00:04:41.000 It's an impossibility.
00:04:42.000 If I said to you, no, you...
00:04:43.000 I don't know, maybe I am a lamppost.
00:04:45.000 You're going to say...
00:04:46.000 What would you say?
00:04:47.000 But why is it relevant to your God?
00:04:48.000 Why is that pseudo-physiological...
00:04:49.000 This is very relevant.
00:04:50.000 Very relevant.
00:04:51.000 If I said to you...
00:04:52.000 I don't see the relevance.
00:04:53.000 Is there a chance I can be a lamppost?
00:04:56.000 Yes.
00:04:57.000 There is a chance.
00:04:58.000 If you will be melted in the... 0.77
00:05:00.000 It's nonsense. 0.82
00:05:01.000 No, no, no.
00:05:02.000 Let me see.
00:05:03.000 It's...
00:05:04.000 Is there a chance I can be a turtle?
00:05:06.000 A turtle?
00:05:07.000 Yeah.
00:05:08.000 Yeah, if you're born as a turtle, you can be a turtle.
00:05:09.000 No, no, no, no.
00:05:10.000 I'm talking...
00:05:11.000 Right now, is there a chance that I...
00:05:12.000 You mean right now?
00:05:13.000 How does that pseudo-physiological question prove anything?
00:05:16.000 I'm just asking.
00:05:17.000 Right now, is there a possibility that I can decide to be a tree?
00:05:22.000 I don't know.
00:05:23.000 I don't know.
00:05:24.000 Really?
00:05:25.000 I don't know.
00:05:26.000 Yeah, really.
00:05:27.000 Why are you...
00:05:28.000 You're not accepting my answer?
00:05:29.000 No, no, no.
00:05:30.000 Because...
00:05:31.000 Because...
00:05:32.000 Because you're expecting me to follow your illogical...
00:05:33.000 No, no, no.
00:05:34.000 Not my logic.
00:05:35.000 Not my logic.
00:05:36.000 Anyone.
00:05:37.000 Look, if I ask anyone...
00:05:38.000 Look, if I ask anybody, anybody, yeah?
00:05:39.000 I don't want to be biased.
00:05:40.000 Okay.
00:05:41.000 Can I ask you?
00:05:42.000 Is there a chance...
00:05:43.000 Is there a chance for me to turn into a potato?
00:05:46.000 No.
00:05:47.000 No.
00:05:48.000 Yeah?
00:05:49.000 I don't know.
00:05:50.000 Right now, no.
00:05:51.000 I don't know.
00:05:52.000 No or I don't know?
00:05:53.000 Right now?
00:05:54.000 You mean right now?
00:05:55.000 Right now, right now.
00:05:56.000 No.
00:05:57.000 But in future...
00:05:58.000 Wait, wait.
00:05:59.000 What did you do there? 0.95
00:06:00.000 But in future, if you die...
00:06:01.000 No, not future.
00:06:02.000 No, no, no.
00:06:03.000 No, no, no, no.
00:06:04.000 So, therefore...
00:06:05.000 What's it?
00:06:06.000 What's it?
00:06:07.000 So, therefore, what you did is you used your rationality to come to a...
00:06:09.000 Logical decision.
00:06:10.000 Logical decision.
00:06:11.000 Not rational.
00:06:12.000 Use your rationale.
00:06:13.000 Yeah?
00:06:14.000 And you came to a conscious decision that...
00:06:16.000 A logical decision that I cannot become a potato.
00:06:19.000 So, that was you using your faculties to come to a conclusion.
00:06:22.000 That's the same way I'm asking you this question.
00:06:24.000 Can something come from nothing?
00:06:26.000 It's an impossibility.
00:06:27.000 Yeah, but you see, the problem is we know about the potato and you right now.
00:06:31.000 We don't know about the past.
00:06:33.000 If something come from nothing...
00:06:34.000 No, nothing.
00:06:35.000 I'm talking about nothing.
00:06:36.000 You're assuming...
00:06:37.000 That's my point.
00:06:38.000 If the world come from the Big Bang...
00:06:39.000 Sorry?
00:06:40.000 If the universe...
00:06:41.000 Where did the Big Bang come from?
00:06:42.000 That's my point.
00:06:43.000 No, no, no, no.
00:06:44.000 I'm telling you.
00:06:45.000 I was studying astrophysics in Poland.
00:06:46.000 Yes.
00:06:47.000 And my opinion on that is...
00:06:48.000 Yes?
00:06:49.000 It's an infinity.
00:06:50.000 There's nothing like...
00:06:51.000 No, there's not...
00:06:52.000 There's no such as infinity.
00:06:53.000 How do you know that?
00:06:54.000 Are you physics?
00:06:55.000 Have you got...
00:06:56.000 No, I don't need to.
00:06:57.000 I don't need to.
00:06:58.000 What's on it?
00:06:59.000 If you don't know physics, you cannot talk about physics.
00:07:00.000 Okay, one second.
00:07:01.000 Show me infinity in our real world.
00:07:02.000 You cannot show infinity.
00:07:03.000 It's a...
00:07:04.000 Then how are you saying it exists?
00:07:05.000 It's a time...
00:07:06.000 No, just continue.
00:07:07.000 Continue.
00:07:08.000 Continue.
00:07:09.000 Continue.
00:07:10.000 Continue.
00:07:11.000 The time, it's a past and the future going from infinity...
00:07:14.000 Can you show me...
00:07:15.000 Look, look.
00:07:16.000 I'm coming with...
00:07:17.000 I cannot show you right now.
00:07:18.000 This is assumption.
00:07:19.000 I'm a believer in God and I'm bringing you arguments that are based in our reality.
00:07:22.000 You're telling me stuff...
00:07:23.000 You're bringing me assumptions.
00:07:24.000 No, I'm not.
00:07:25.000 No, I'm not.
00:07:26.000 No, I'm not.
00:07:27.000 No, I'm not.
00:07:28.000 Why is it difficult to prove me your God?
00:07:29.000 No, I am.
00:07:30.000 No, I'm asking you.
00:07:31.000 Why is it difficult to prove me your God?
00:07:32.000 I am, if you allow me.
00:07:33.000 Because right now, what you're seeing is...
00:07:35.000 I said, is there a chance of me being a potato?
00:07:37.000 He said, no.
00:07:38.000 Why is that relevant to the God?
00:07:39.000 It's very relevant.
00:07:40.000 Why?
00:07:41.000 Because what you're doing is...
00:07:42.000 I can't become a potato.
00:07:43.000 If I can't...
00:07:44.000 There is more of a chance, maybe, of me becoming a potato than something coming from nothing.
00:07:48.000 Yes.
00:07:49.000 Something coming from nothing is an impossibility.
00:07:50.000 Something can't come from nothing.
00:07:51.000 Because...
00:07:52.000 Okay, let me make it simple.
00:07:53.000 Let me make it simple.
00:07:54.000 Can zero ever equal one?
00:07:55.000 Zero and one.
00:07:56.000 Zero and one.
00:07:57.000 These are...
00:07:58.000 These are objects.
00:07:59.000 Zero.
00:08:00.000 I know what's zero.
00:08:01.000 Okay, can you ever bring one?
00:08:02.000 Can you ever bring one?
00:08:03.000 If we define it like that, this is...
00:08:06.000 The zero and one, they are...
00:08:08.000 How is it in English?
00:08:09.000 These are things which we make it up.
00:08:12.000 We are assigning stuff.
00:08:13.000 I know, I know, I know.
00:08:14.000 Zero doesn't exist in the world.
00:08:15.000 No, no, I know that.
00:08:16.000 This is...
00:08:17.000 Yeah, okay.
00:08:18.000 That's why I'm saying can zero equal one.
00:08:19.000 If we want, we can.
00:08:20.000 Okay, can you show me one example of zero can equal one?
00:08:22.000 I'll be quiet.
00:08:23.000 Because it's a product of our imagination.
00:08:26.000 I cannot show you product of my imagination.
00:08:28.000 Good.
00:08:29.000 You just made a very good point.
00:08:30.000 Can you show me your consciousness?
00:08:32.000 I can show you my consciousness.
00:08:33.000 The effect of my consciousness is that I'm talking with you.
00:08:36.000 This is the evidence.
00:08:37.000 No, no, no.
00:08:38.000 Can you show me?
00:08:39.000 What do you define by conscious?
00:08:40.000 Okay.
00:08:41.000 Right now, I'm going to imagine something in my head.
00:08:42.000 Can you see it?
00:08:44.000 Can you see what I'm imagining?
00:08:45.000 But if I connect...
00:08:46.000 Can you?
00:08:47.000 Can you?
00:08:48.000 If I connect small electrodes to you...
00:08:49.000 Yeah, all you see is a pattern.
00:08:50.000 But they're showing this.
00:08:51.000 In the future, people develop their tools which allow us to reset...
00:08:55.000 No, no, no.
00:08:56.000 How do you know this is a science of the gaps?
00:08:57.000 No.
00:08:58.000 Your God is a...
00:08:59.000 God is a...
00:09:00.000 God of the gaps, no.
00:09:01.000 It's a God of the gaps.
00:09:02.000 No.
00:09:03.000 Because we haven't established it yet.
00:09:04.000 No.
00:09:05.000 The problem is...
00:09:06.000 I didn't answer...
00:09:07.000 But allow me to finish, yeah?
00:09:08.000 Because you're saying, we will put electrodes in your head.
00:09:10.000 All you see with electrodes is things happening.
00:09:13.000 But you can never see.
00:09:14.000 Because a minute ago, I was imagining a chocolate strawberry.
00:09:16.000 Yeah?
00:09:17.000 But how it's relevant to your evidence of God?
00:09:19.000 No, no.
00:09:20.000 This is because I'm coming to you.
00:09:21.000 It's not relevant.
00:09:22.000 You're talking about different things.
00:09:23.000 It does.
00:09:24.000 It does.
00:09:25.000 Because you're telling me, yeah?
00:09:26.000 From...
00:09:27.000 I said to you, can nothing...
00:09:28.000 From nothing something come?
00:09:29.000 You said yes.
00:09:30.000 Can you substantiate you?
00:09:31.000 You said no.
00:09:32.000 No, I didn't know.
00:09:33.000 No, no, no.
00:09:34.000 When I said zero, can zero equal one?
00:09:36.000 If we imagine that, we can...
00:09:38.000 From one example.
00:09:39.000 If you make it...
00:09:40.000 No, I cannot make the example because...
00:09:41.000 But then you're not talking with science.
00:09:42.000 I want to talk with science.
00:09:43.000 Because we're talking about mathematics.
00:09:45.000 And mathematics are the figures of our imagination.
00:09:48.000 Which we use.
00:09:49.000 No, which we use.
00:09:50.000 Look, one.
00:09:51.000 Which we use it, yeah.
00:09:52.000 Look, one plus one is two.
00:09:53.000 Yeah, but...
00:09:54.000 Two plus two is four.
00:09:55.000 This is representation.
00:09:56.000 Yes.
00:09:57.000 This is representation.
00:09:58.000 Therefore, good.
00:09:59.000 So zero, not equaling one, is the representation of nothing, cannot make something.
00:10:02.000 So therefore, therefore...
00:10:03.000 How do you know that?
00:10:04.000 Therefore, can you show me?
00:10:05.000 Look, forget me.
00:10:06.000 Show me.
00:10:07.000 I cannot show you because I told you I don't know.
00:10:08.000 I want to talk with evidence.
00:10:09.000 You said evidence.
00:10:10.000 But how it's proof of your God?
00:10:11.000 This is how it's proof of my God.
00:10:12.000 If nothing...
00:10:13.000 Something cannot come from nothing.
00:10:15.000 Therefore, it requires that it has to be created.
00:10:18.000 No other option.
00:10:19.000 No, no, no, no.
00:10:20.000 Okay.
00:10:21.000 Can be infinitive.
00:10:22.000 No.
00:10:23.000 How do you know that?
00:10:24.000 Okay, can you show me infinity in this real world?
00:10:25.000 I cannot show you infinitive.
00:10:26.000 Because this is in the passing time.
00:10:27.000 Once again, once again, no evidence.
00:10:28.000 You can...
00:10:29.000 Can you show me God?
00:10:30.000 I'm coming to it.
00:10:31.000 Can you call directly?
00:10:32.000 No, no.
00:10:33.000 I'm going to.
00:10:34.000 I'm going to come to it.
00:10:35.000 No, no, no.
00:10:36.000 Can you give me direct...
00:10:37.000 I am.
00:10:38.000 I am.
00:10:39.000 I'm going to come to that.
00:10:40.000 So therefore, my premise that I'm building is from nothing, nothing comes.
00:10:43.000 Something cannot make nothing.
00:10:44.000 Zero cannot equal one.
00:10:45.000 Yeah?
00:10:46.000 This is the assumption.
00:10:47.000 We don't know that.
00:10:48.000 I told you.
00:10:49.000 I don't know.
00:10:50.000 You don't know as well.
00:10:51.000 Yes, I do know it.
00:10:52.000 No, you don't know it.
00:10:53.000 I know this phone cannot come from nothing.
00:10:54.000 There has to be something.
00:10:55.000 This can come from nothing.
00:10:57.000 This can come from nothing.
00:10:58.000 If 20 years they prove it that the world comes from nothing, it means that all atoms...
00:11:03.000 Impossible.
00:11:04.000 No, you...
00:11:05.000 Impossible.
00:11:06.000 This is claim.
00:11:07.000 This is unsupported claim.
00:11:08.000 No, you're surprised.
00:11:09.000 You prove it.
00:11:10.000 Prove it to me that it comes from nothing.
00:11:11.000 I did.
00:11:12.000 I did.
00:11:13.000 I said to you, can you prove me anything that comes from nothing?
00:11:14.000 No.
00:11:15.000 Can you prove me that something comes from something?
00:11:16.000 Yeah, sure.
00:11:17.000 This phone came from something.
00:11:18.000 The universe came from something.
00:11:19.000 No.
00:11:20.000 It's something from the atoms which can come from nothing.
00:11:21.000 No, no.
00:11:22.000 No, no.
00:11:23.000 Atoms is something, not nothing.
00:11:24.000 But they can come from nothing.
00:11:25.000 No, they can't.
00:11:26.000 No, they can't.
00:11:27.000 You haven't proved it.
00:11:28.000 No, no.
00:11:29.000 Can you show me atoms coming from nothing?
00:11:30.000 No, no, no, no.
00:11:31.000 I told you.
00:11:32.000 I don't know.
00:11:33.000 And my answer is...
00:11:34.000 But you keep saying I don't know.
00:11:35.000 Of course.
00:11:36.000 Because I am honestly intellectually.
00:11:37.000 No, no, no.
00:11:38.000 But it's not intellectual.
00:11:39.000 If you go to any scientist and say...
00:11:41.000 I don't know.
00:11:42.000 From nothing, something comes.
00:11:43.000 Evidence, no evidence.
00:11:44.000 No, no, no.
00:11:45.000 Any scientist.
00:11:46.000 Physics, biology.
00:11:47.000 All of them.
00:11:48.000 No, you cannot.
00:11:49.000 Because they've got all this specific field or work.
00:11:52.000 Biology cannot talk about physics. 0.99
00:11:54.000 Even Professor Krauss, he self-admitted that the nothing he's talking about is not nothing.
00:12:01.000 It's actually something.
00:12:02.000 Don't you think.
00:12:03.000 Can you please show me where...
00:12:04.000 I don't need to show you.
00:12:05.000 You've got positive claims.
00:12:06.000 Then you're talking with...
00:12:07.000 You're claiming with belief.
00:12:08.000 I'm talking with facts.
00:12:09.000 You're talking...
00:12:10.000 Facts.
00:12:11.000 I think...
00:12:12.000 Maybe in the future.
00:12:13.000 Not maybe.
00:12:14.000 Not maybe.
00:12:15.000 I'm saying...
00:12:16.000 I don't know.
00:12:17.000 I'm saying...
00:12:18.000 Can your jacket come from nothing?
00:12:19.000 No.
00:12:20.000 Possibly yes.
00:12:21.000 If they're created from the atoms who were created from nothing.
00:12:23.000 The atoms are something.
00:12:24.000 Yeah, but they were created from nothing.
00:12:25.000 Okay.
00:12:26.000 Can you prove to me that atoms came from nothing?
00:12:27.000 We don't know that.
00:12:28.000 Then...
00:12:29.000 You just know, but you just said...
00:12:30.000 If you don't know that, it doesn't mean yes or no.
00:12:32.000 No.
00:12:33.000 You don't know that.
00:12:34.000 I said, can your jacket come from nothing?
00:12:35.000 You said yes.
00:12:36.000 I said possibly.
00:12:37.000 The atoms comes from nothing.
00:12:38.000 Possibly.
00:12:39.000 I said possibly.
00:12:40.000 Okay.
00:12:41.000 Can atoms come from nothing or not?
00:12:42.000 Possibly, yes.
00:12:43.000 I don't have evidence.
00:12:44.000 Thank you.
00:12:45.000 I don't know.
00:12:46.000 Allow me to move on, Robert, yeah?
00:12:47.000 So now coming back to the iPhone, yeah?
00:12:48.000 So you said that you can go and see this phone being made.
00:12:51.000 Yes.
00:12:52.000 Have you done that?
00:12:53.000 No.
00:12:54.000 Then how do you know this is made?
00:12:55.000 Because I can go to YouTube and see myself.
00:12:56.000 Have you?
00:12:57.000 I can go there and test it.
00:12:58.000 Have you?
00:12:59.000 I know.
00:13:00.000 Have you?
00:13:01.000 I haven't.
00:13:02.000 Then...
00:13:03.000 Oh, one second.
00:13:04.000 But my...
00:13:05.000 How do you...
00:13:06.000 My experience doesn't count for everything that was created.
00:13:09.000 No, no, one second.
00:13:10.000 Okay.
00:13:11.000 So are you telling me the only reason you will believe that this iPhone is designed is if
00:13:15.000 you go and go to the factory?
00:13:16.000 No, no, no, no.
00:13:17.000 So therefore, how do you come to the conclusion that this is designed?
00:13:19.000 I...
00:13:20.000 It's designed because I can go to the Apple and check it.
00:13:23.000 Have you?
00:13:24.000 No.
00:13:25.000 So how do you know it's designed?
00:13:26.000 But how make it my...
00:13:27.000 I'm just asking you.
00:13:28.000 My experience doesn't make it so.
00:13:29.000 Okay, what experience?
00:13:30.000 My experience doesn't make it so.
00:13:31.000 Okay, okay.
00:13:32.000 How would you prove to me this is designed?
00:13:33.000 Have a look at it.
00:13:34.000 We can go to the Apple.
00:13:35.000 Okay.
00:13:36.000 If we don't go...
00:13:37.000 We can go together to the Apple.
00:13:38.000 Okay.
00:13:39.000 If we don't go to the Apple, are you telling me that you cannot prove to me this is designed?
00:13:41.000 I can...
00:13:42.000 I can prove in many ways.
00:13:43.000 We can go to the Apple.
00:13:44.000 Which way?
00:13:45.000 Which way?
00:13:46.000 Which way?
00:13:47.000 We can go to your YouTube.
00:13:48.000 We can check it.
00:13:49.000 We can see that it fits to our hands.
00:13:50.000 There's many ways to prove it.
00:13:51.000 Good.
00:13:52.000 There's a large body of evidences.
00:13:53.000 Perfect.
00:13:54.000 Perfect.
00:13:55.000 You said we can go to YouTube and watch it.
00:13:56.000 We can go to the iPhone store.
00:13:58.000 How do you make that evidences?
00:13:59.000 If you allow me, I'm going to make the connection.
00:14:00.000 Then you said...
00:14:01.000 No, because you're wasting my time.
00:14:02.000 If you allow me...
00:14:03.000 But I haven't...
00:14:04.000 I haven't finished.
00:14:05.000 Because if I answer you...
00:14:06.000 This right now is going to prove it.
00:14:07.000 This right now is going to be clear to approve.
00:14:08.000 I said, do you believe this is created because you went to the factory?
00:14:12.000 You said no.
00:14:13.000 So therefore, I said, how else can we prove it?
00:14:15.000 He said, obviously, we'll take it in our hands and we will look.
00:14:18.000 Design.
00:14:19.000 Design.
00:14:20.000 Look.
00:14:21.000 Order.
00:14:22.000 Design.
00:14:23.000 And this is...
00:14:24.000 One second.
00:14:25.000 One second.
00:14:26.000 So what you've done is this.
00:14:27.000 You said, I don't need to go to the factory to believe that this is designed.
00:14:30.000 I said, Robert, how would you find...
00:14:31.000 No belief.
00:14:32.000 Allow me to finish.
00:14:33.000 I said, Robert, how would you know?
00:14:34.000 You said, we will take it in our hands and we will see.
00:14:37.000 Now, I want you to do the same exact thing.
00:14:40.000 Is this more complex or the universe?
00:14:42.000 What do you mean by complex?
00:14:44.000 Complex in design and nature and the way it works.
00:14:46.000 Design.
00:14:47.000 Assuming that word is designed.
00:14:48.000 I reject that claim as well.
00:14:49.000 No, no, no.
00:14:50.000 Is this more...
00:14:51.000 No, no, no.
00:14:52.000 I reject your claim that the word is designed.
00:14:53.000 So the universe is not designed?
00:14:54.000 No.
00:14:55.000 Have you got evidence for this?
00:14:56.000 Forget about your iPhone.
00:14:57.000 Yeah, it's just evidence.
00:14:58.000 No, it's just evidence.
00:14:59.000 No, no, no.
00:15:00.000 This is not evidence.
00:15:01.000 One second, one second.
00:15:02.000 You're comparing apples and oranges.
00:15:03.000 No, no, no, no, no.
00:15:04.000 One second.
00:15:05.000 This is...
00:15:06.000 You're comparing apples and oranges.
00:15:07.000 Robert, Robert, Robert.
00:15:08.000 You said, this iPhone is designed, I can look.
00:15:11.000 I'm saying the same thing.
00:15:12.000 Use your eyes.
00:15:13.000 No, no, no, no.
00:15:14.000 One second.
00:15:15.000 Look at the double standard.
00:15:17.000 This is double standard, yeah?
00:15:18.000 No, no, no double standard.
00:15:19.000 Have you seen the blueprint for this?
00:15:20.000 Have you seen the blueprint for this?
00:15:21.000 Sorry?
00:15:22.000 Have you seen the blueprint for this?
00:15:23.000 Bluetooth.
00:15:24.000 Blueprints.
00:15:25.000 Have you seen the blueprint for this?
00:15:26.000 No, I haven't.
00:15:27.000 One second.
00:15:28.000 But it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
00:15:29.000 No, no, Robert.
00:15:30.000 There you go.
00:15:31.000 Just because you can't see the blueprint
00:15:32.000 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
00:15:33.000 Yes, but you have to prove it positively.
00:15:35.000 I just did.
00:15:36.000 No, you didn't.
00:15:37.000 You said, you make a claim that it exists.
00:15:39.000 It's a blueprint of space.
00:15:40.000 If you're going to reject...
00:15:41.000 No, no, no, no.
00:15:42.000 This is...
00:15:43.000 We can prove that one.
00:15:44.000 How can you prove it that the blueprint of the universe...
00:15:46.000 Robert, you said...
00:15:47.000 Robert, you said if I...
00:15:48.000 Can you prove it?
00:15:49.000 But you're getting angry.
00:15:50.000 Can you prove...
00:15:51.000 No, I don't angry.
00:15:52.000 No, don't forget about the emotion.
00:15:54.000 If somebody else asks you...
00:15:55.000 I just proved it to you.
00:15:56.000 How can you make...
00:15:57.000 I just proved it to you.
00:15:58.000 How can you practically show me the blueprint of the universe?
00:15:59.000 I just proved it to you.
00:16:00.000 No.
00:16:01.000 You compare apples and oranges.
00:16:02.000 No, no, no.
00:16:03.000 Nothing comparable.
00:16:04.000 I compared apples with apples.
00:16:05.000 No.
00:16:06.000 Because what I did was this here.
00:16:07.000 I said...
00:16:08.000 This is not universe.
00:16:09.000 Exactly.
00:16:10.000 And this is not apple.
00:16:11.000 No, no.
00:16:12.000 You said...
00:16:13.000 I said to you, did you go and see the man who made this?
00:16:14.000 You said no.
00:16:15.000 No, no, no.
00:16:16.000 One second, one second.
00:16:17.000 Did you see the way it was made?
00:16:18.000 It's relevant.
00:16:19.000 Robert, allow me to talk.
00:16:20.000 Allow me to talk.
00:16:21.000 I said, did you go and see the man who made this?
00:16:22.000 No.
00:16:23.000 Did you see the man who designed...
00:16:24.000 The way he designed it?
00:16:25.000 No.
00:16:26.000 But I can prove it.
00:16:27.000 But I said, how do you know?
00:16:28.000 I can go and check it.
00:16:29.000 But did you?
00:16:30.000 I can go and check it.
00:16:31.000 Did you?
00:16:32.000 Did you?
00:16:33.000 Did you?
00:16:34.000 I'm asking you, did you?
00:16:35.000 No, I didn't.
00:16:36.000 So therefore...
00:16:37.000 Robert, allow me to talk.
00:16:38.000 You believe this is designed when you haven't seen the person who made it and the way he designed it.
00:16:41.000 No, I don't believe I know that.
00:16:42.000 Now, now, now.
00:16:43.000 I'm using the exact...
00:16:44.000 The belief is different, I know it.
00:16:45.000 Robert, you're not letting me talk.
00:16:46.000 We're supposed to have a similar discussion.
00:16:48.000 I'm seeing the exact...
00:16:49.000 Let's not have double standards.
00:16:50.000 This is...
00:16:51.000 The universe is billions and trillions times more complex than this phone.
00:16:55.000 Okay.
00:16:56.000 If you believe, if you believe, you did not see the one who made this, you didn't see how it was designed,
00:16:59.000 and you believe this is designed, and by default you have to accept this design.
00:17:03.000 No, no, no, by default.
00:17:04.000 By default.
00:17:05.000 No, no, by default.
00:17:06.000 By default was created by...
00:17:07.000 No, no, by default.
00:17:08.000 By default was created by...
00:17:09.000 But which god?
00:17:10.000 For example...
00:17:11.000 You accept god now.
00:17:12.000 You accept god, yeah?
00:17:13.000 No, no, there's no god.
00:17:14.000 No, no, you did.
00:17:15.000 I'm using it as an example.
00:17:16.000 No, no, no, we need to establish it.
00:17:17.000 First, so you accept...
00:17:18.000 Okay, that's good.
00:17:19.000 I didn't accept it.
00:17:20.000 I say...
00:17:21.000 You accept the creator now.
00:17:22.000 You compare...
00:17:23.000 Okay, come back to the...
00:17:24.000 You accept the creator now.
00:17:25.000 No.
00:17:26.000 Okay, on what basis?
00:17:27.000 You use unproven evidence.
00:17:28.000 I'm sorry?
00:17:29.000 You haven't...
00:17:30.000 You haven't proven anything.
00:17:31.000 You compare...
00:17:32.000 No, this is not evidence.
00:17:33.000 What is it?
00:17:34.000 Then repeat it.
00:17:35.000 Apple is evidence for the apple.
00:17:36.000 Yes?
00:17:37.000 The universe is the designer of the creator.
00:17:39.000 No, no, no.
00:17:40.000 Wrong conclusion.
00:17:41.000 How?
00:17:42.000 Because this is the apple, not the god, and not universe.
00:17:45.000 That's my point.
00:17:46.000 That's my point.
00:17:47.000 No, no.
00:17:48.000 You're missing the point.
00:17:49.000 That's my point.
00:17:50.000 Can I say...
00:17:51.000 Apple is evidence of apple.
00:17:52.000 Yes.
00:17:53.000 Universe is evidence of universe.
00:17:54.000 On universe.
00:17:55.000 Okay, if I said...
00:17:56.000 This phone is evidence of this phone.
00:17:57.000 Can you give me...
00:17:58.000 Can you give me practical evidence...
00:17:59.000 I just did.
00:18:00.000 I just did.
00:18:01.000 How you can check the blueprint on universe.
00:18:02.000 Can you...
00:18:03.000 Can you give me...
00:18:04.000 Can you...
00:18:05.000 Forget about apple.
00:18:06.000 Can you rebuttal?
00:18:07.000 I rebut you.
00:18:08.000 I rebut you already.
00:18:09.000 Okay, I'm missing it.
00:18:10.000 Because, first of all, this is apple and the oranges.
00:18:12.000 You compare something completely different.
00:18:14.000 Right?
00:18:15.000 Apple is not universe.
00:18:17.000 Universe is not apple.
00:18:18.000 Same premise.
00:18:19.000 Is it right?
00:18:20.000 Same premise.
00:18:21.000 I reject your premise.
00:18:22.000 Okay, did you see God?
00:18:23.000 Did you see God?
00:18:24.000 Did you see God?
00:18:25.000 I don't see God.
00:18:26.000 I don't...
00:18:27.000 I see universe.
00:18:28.000 Okay, one second.
00:18:29.000 Did you see God?
00:18:30.000 I see universe.
00:18:31.000 Okay.
00:18:32.000 Why are you imposing me?
00:18:33.000 I'm not imposing on me.
00:18:34.000 I'm telling you.
00:18:35.000 You have to give me...
00:18:36.000 Can I make my point?
00:18:37.000 Did you see...
00:18:38.000 Did you see God?
00:18:39.000 No, you didn't.
00:18:40.000 Did you see how this was designed?
00:18:41.000 No, you didn't.
00:18:42.000 Same question.
00:18:43.000 Did you see the one who made this?
00:18:44.000 When it designed on.
00:18:45.000 Did you see the one who made this?
00:18:46.000 No, no.
00:18:47.000 You have to...
00:18:48.000 No, because I know where you're going.
00:18:50.000 No, but then why...
00:18:51.000 It's false.
00:18:52.000 I reject your promise.
00:18:53.000 On what basis?
00:18:54.000 On what premise?
00:18:55.000 On false premise.
00:18:56.000 Show me how.
00:18:57.000 I told you.
00:18:58.000 Apple, oranges.
00:18:59.000 That's false premise.
00:19:00.000 This is apple, universe is oranges.
00:19:01.000 No, no, no.
00:19:02.000 It's different?
00:19:03.000 No, no, no, no.
00:19:04.000 It's different?
00:19:05.000 No, no, no.
00:19:06.000 But the premise is the same.
00:19:07.000 It's different.
00:19:08.000 Apple and oranges, universe and apple.
00:19:09.000 It's different?
00:19:10.000 It's different things, yeah?
00:19:12.000 Of course it's different.
00:19:13.000 Therefore, you cannot use them as a comparison.
00:19:15.000 I used the same as me.
00:19:17.000 We are...
00:19:18.000 No.
00:19:19.000 No, we're different.
00:19:20.000 No, we're different.
00:19:21.000 But the conclusion is...
00:19:22.000 But we are humans.
00:19:23.000 And we are apes.
00:19:24.000 We were born, born.
00:19:25.000 We were both born.
00:19:26.000 But you're changing the subject.
00:19:27.000 So therefore, me and a turtle, we're not the same.
00:19:29.000 But we both were born.
00:19:30.000 I'm saying something very simple, yeah?
00:19:32.000 Why is it relevant to your God?
00:19:34.000 This is one argument.
00:19:35.000 I've got another one, yeah?
00:19:36.000 This is one argument, yeah?
00:19:37.000 What argument?
00:19:38.000 You did not see God.
00:19:39.000 You reject him.
00:19:40.000 You did not see...
00:19:41.000 I have to reject some people that exist.
00:19:42.000 Robert, allow me to talk.
00:19:43.000 No, no.
00:19:44.000 Don't allow me to talk.
00:19:45.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:19:46.000 Can I clarify a few things?
00:19:47.000 Yeah.
00:19:48.000 I cannot reject something, but I think it doesn't exist.
00:19:50.000 Don't you think that?
00:19:51.000 It's true or false?
00:19:52.000 Okay, yes.
00:19:53.000 It's false, yeah?
00:19:54.000 Yes, yes, yes.
00:19:55.000 You can't reject something that you believe doesn't exist.
00:19:56.000 Yeah.
00:19:57.000 Why are you telling me that I reject something?
00:19:58.000 Okay, okay.
00:19:59.000 Wait, why are you telling me I reject something?
00:20:00.000 Because on this premise...
00:20:01.000 No, no.
00:20:02.000 Why are you telling me I'm rejecting something that I don't believe?
00:20:04.000 Can I reply?
00:20:05.000 Yeah?
00:20:06.000 Yes.
00:20:07.000 Because of the premise that I use with the phone.
00:20:08.000 You did not see the one who made it.
00:20:09.000 I don't see relevancy.
00:20:10.000 I'll tell you the relevance.
00:20:11.000 You did not see with your eyes the one who made it, but you believe it's made because
00:20:15.000 of design.
00:20:16.000 I don't believe.
00:20:17.000 One second.
00:20:18.000 You said bring me tantrum evidence for God.
00:20:19.000 You did not see God, but you reject the universe.
00:20:21.000 Contradiction.
00:20:22.000 No, contradiction.
00:20:23.000 It's a contradiction.
00:20:24.000 No, because contradiction is you're comparing apple and oranges.
00:20:27.000 There's two different things.
00:20:28.000 Universe.
00:20:29.000 But you know.
00:20:30.000 Consistency.
00:20:31.000 You don't have...
00:20:32.000 This is one argument.
00:20:33.000 Because you know the problem is, I can go with you, your apple, and show the blueprint.
00:20:37.000 But you cannot do this with universe.
00:20:38.000 Can you do it with universe?
00:20:39.000 You're missing the point.
00:20:40.000 Except you, the philosophical comparison.
00:20:42.000 Can you do it?
00:20:43.000 You're missing the point.
00:20:44.000 Can you do it?
00:20:45.000 You're missing the point.
00:20:46.000 Can you bring me the blueprint of universe?
00:20:47.000 If you know that God created the universe, can you bring me...
00:20:50.000 No.
00:20:51.000 Have you seen the blueprint for this?
00:20:52.000 No, no, no, no.
00:20:53.000 Have you seen it?
00:20:54.000 Doesn't matter.
00:20:55.000 Then why do you believe?
00:20:56.000 Because it exists.
00:20:57.000 Have you seen the blueprint for the iPhone?
00:20:58.000 Doesn't matter.
00:20:59.000 Because it exists.
00:21:00.000 No, no.
00:21:01.000 I reject you.
00:21:02.000 Yes.
00:21:03.000 Because you claim the God created the universe.
00:21:04.000 Robert, can you bring the blueprint?
00:21:05.000 I don't claim the...
00:21:06.000 Okay.
00:21:07.000 I mean...
00:21:08.000 Robert, have you seen the blueprint of this phone?
00:21:10.000 I can see...
00:21:11.000 No, I haven't seen.
00:21:12.000 Then why do you believe it?
00:21:13.000 How it's relevant to what I see?
00:21:15.000 Because you said to me, Ali, have you seen the blueprint of the universe?
00:21:17.000 No, no, no.
00:21:18.000 No, no, no.
00:21:19.000 Have you seen the blueprint?
00:21:20.000 I'm using the same.
00:21:21.000 Same premise.
00:21:22.000 Same premise.
00:21:23.000 Because you're making a positive statement that the God exists.
00:21:24.000 Same premise.
00:21:25.000 I'm using the same premise.
00:21:26.000 If you would like to prove it, you have to bring me the blueprint of the universe.
00:21:29.000 Same premise.
00:21:30.000 No, same premise.
00:21:31.000 Can I borrow that book?
00:21:32.000 Can I borrow that book?
00:21:33.000 This is my second argument.
00:21:34.000 Yeah?
00:21:35.000 This is my second argument.
00:21:36.000 That was number one, yeah?
00:21:37.000 Number two is this.
00:21:38.000 A book.
00:21:39.000 I'm going to show you something.
00:21:41.000 What is this?
00:21:42.000 It's a book and paper.
00:21:43.000 What's here?
00:21:44.000 What do we call this?
00:21:45.000 It's a printing.
00:21:46.000 Printing of information.
00:21:47.000 Information.
00:21:48.000 Okay.
00:21:49.000 If there's information, what does it require?
00:21:52.000 There has to be?
00:21:53.000 There has to be?
00:21:54.000 Yeah, somebody who writes it.
00:21:55.000 Intelligence.
00:21:56.000 For somebody who writes it.
00:21:57.000 Not necessarily intelligence or somebody who writes it.
00:21:59.000 Because man is not an intelligent person who writes a book.
00:22:01.000 No, I'm not saying intelligence.
00:22:02.000 Intelligence.
00:22:03.000 Somebody has a brain to do it.
00:22:04.000 Yeah.
00:22:05.000 Okay.
00:22:06.000 So my premise here, my second argument, my premise is this.
00:22:08.000 I don't know where you're going with this.
00:22:09.000 It's still comparing.
00:22:10.000 I reject your premise.
00:22:11.000 Because I heard about this.
00:22:14.000 Because you assume.
00:22:15.000 What's my argument?
00:22:16.000 What's my argument?
00:22:17.000 Your argument is, if there is written by humans, that the universe or space or whatever
00:22:21.000 has to be written by intelligence.
00:22:22.000 No, no, no, no.
00:22:23.000 What is your premise?
00:22:24.000 Okay.
00:22:25.000 Can we agree on the premise that if there's information, there has to be intelligence?
00:22:28.000 Yeah.
00:22:29.000 Okay.
00:22:30.000 Thanks, bro.
00:22:31.000 Yeah?
00:22:32.000 So now, now.
00:22:33.000 Not necessary, but we can test it.
00:22:34.000 One second, one second.
00:22:35.000 But we can go to the printing house.
00:22:36.000 No problem.
00:22:37.000 We can find the auto.
00:22:38.000 No problem.
00:22:39.000 Do you see where we go?
00:22:40.000 When we go to the hieroglyphics, we see information.
00:22:42.000 And we went and found the Rosetta Stone and we deciphered the hieroglyphics.
00:22:45.000 Yes.
00:22:46.000 Therefore, we saw that there's information and it requires intelligence.
00:22:49.000 Now.
00:22:50.000 Yes.
00:22:51.000 DNA.
00:22:52.000 DNA.
00:22:53.000 I heard this.
00:22:54.000 A single strand of DNA.
00:22:55.000 If you took every book on this planet and put it together.
00:22:59.000 That was assigned by people.
00:23:00.000 It doesn't matter.
00:23:01.000 Allow me to finish, please.
00:23:03.000 It will not be equivalent to an information in one strand of a DNA cell.
00:23:07.000 So my premise was this.
00:23:08.000 If there's information that requires intelligence, there's information in the DNA.
00:23:12.000 So there...
00:23:13.000 No, there's no information in DNA.
00:23:14.000 There's no information in DNA.
00:23:15.000 No.
00:23:16.000 There's no information in DNA.
00:23:17.000 No.
00:23:18.000 There's no information in DNA.
00:23:19.000 We assign information to DNA.
00:23:20.000 Sorry, Robert.
00:23:21.000 Robert.
00:23:22.000 Can you hear me?
00:23:23.000 Yeah, please, please, please.
00:23:24.000 We assign information to DNA, first of all.
00:23:25.000 So we make DNA work.
00:23:26.000 No, no, no.
00:23:27.000 We assign information about us to DNA.
00:23:29.000 DNA itself is DNA.
00:23:30.000 Nothing else, nothing more.
00:23:31.000 So DNA, does it work on its own or do we tell it's work?
00:23:33.000 The work with the...
00:23:34.000 I forget the name...
00:23:36.000 Those...
00:23:37.000 It works, but information about DNA...
00:23:41.000 Does it work or do we make it work?
00:23:42.000 In your body you have DNA.
00:23:43.000 No, no, no, no, no.
00:23:44.000 You assume that there must be information.
00:23:47.000 There is information...
00:23:48.000 Is there information?
00:23:49.000 Is there information in the DNA?
00:23:51.000 I read about this somewhere.
00:23:52.000 Okay, but is there information in the DNA?
00:23:54.000 It's information how it replicates itself and how it adjusts.
00:23:57.000 No, no, no.
00:23:58.000 Wow.
00:23:59.000 Look, it replicates itself.
00:24:00.000 Yes.
00:24:01.000 So if there's information, it should have?
00:24:04.000 Not necessary.
00:24:05.000 Contradiction?
00:24:06.000 No, no, no.
00:24:07.000 Two times you contradicted yourself.
00:24:08.000 No, no.
00:24:09.000 Where's the book?
00:24:10.000 Where's the book?
00:24:11.000 If I contradict yourself, does it mean...
00:24:12.000 Does it have a book?
00:24:13.000 If I say, I don't know...
00:24:14.000 I just gave you the premise, you accepted it.
00:24:15.000 You're just rejecting your own premise.
00:24:16.000 Yeah, but...
00:24:17.000 Does information require intelligence?
00:24:19.000 Yes or no?
00:24:20.000 Not necessary.
00:24:21.000 So then, that book that was written, there's no intelligence behind it?
00:24:24.000 Not necessary.
00:24:25.000 I tell you, not necessary.
00:24:26.000 I don't know.
00:24:27.000 Not necessary.
00:24:28.000 The ape can write a book.
00:24:30.000 And this is intelligent?
00:24:31.000 Yes.
00:24:32.000 Yes, intelligent.
00:24:33.000 Yes.
00:24:34.000 So therefore, if there is information, there's intelligence.
00:24:37.000 If you see the castle made by the ants, it is intelligent made?
00:24:41.000 Yes.
00:24:42.000 Yeah, of course.
00:24:43.000 There's design.
00:24:44.000 No, but there's design.
00:24:45.000 Designed by the...
00:24:46.000 So therefore, I'm using the same premise.
00:24:48.000 Robert, you said, you're a sincere man, and I believe you are, yeah?
00:24:50.000 These are my two evidences that I brought forth, yeah?
00:24:52.000 And I gave you the premise, and you're rejecting the premise, yeah?
00:24:55.000 You said, bring me solid evidence.
00:24:56.000 This is solid, hard.
00:24:57.000 That's not solid evidence.
00:24:58.000 It's more solid than here.
00:24:59.000 Assuming.
00:25:00.000 Assuming.
00:25:01.000 I read about the DNA...
00:25:02.000 Robert, Robert, Robert.
00:25:03.000 Can you debunk my claim?
00:25:04.000 The DNA has information, it requires intelligence.
00:25:06.000 You know what I...
00:25:07.000 Can you debunk it?
00:25:08.000 No, no.
00:25:09.000 I debunk one thing.
00:25:10.000 Yeah.
00:25:11.000 You didn't prove anything.
00:25:12.000 The DNA.
00:25:13.000 Is there information in the DNA?
00:25:14.000 It's information.
00:25:15.000 If there's information, it requires...
00:25:17.000 Requires somebody who writes information, yes?
00:25:20.000 Thank you.
00:25:21.000 That's my point.
00:25:22.000 How do you prove the goal?
00:25:23.000 You just accepted God.
00:25:24.000 How do they prove the goal?
00:25:25.000 You just said, if there's information, it requires...
00:25:26.000 Yes.
00:25:27.000 If you put DNA, it doesn't make a human.
00:25:28.000 You just said it's information.
00:25:29.000 If you put DNA, it doesn't make a human.
00:25:30.000 No, but you just said it's information.
00:25:32.000 I can say many things.
00:25:34.000 I am...
00:25:35.000 No.
00:25:36.000 We actually...
00:25:37.000 You can't.
00:25:38.000 Check the...
00:25:39.000 Black... 1.00
00:25:40.000 Yeah. 0.88
00:25:41.000 But the problem is...
00:25:42.000 I've given you enough evidence.
00:25:43.000 Does the DNA have information?
00:25:44.000 He made some...
00:25:45.000 Okay.
00:25:46.000 Nothing else.
00:25:47.000 If you can read it, see it.
00:25:48.000 You can see it.
00:25:49.000 Because you compare...
00:25:50.000 You didn't substantiate.
00:25:51.000 What?
00:25:52.000 What?
00:25:53.000 I missed.
00:25:54.000 Did we get dust off by...
00:25:55.000 Okay?
00:25:56.000 I didn't use this.
00:25:57.000 You know, you cannot harm.
00:25:59.000 But the DNA
00:26:14.020 canile be lost and won't...
00:26:16.000 It's not exactly Two.
00:26:17.000 I don't know what...
00:26:18.000 I wonder what you have.