Ali Dawah - January 16, 2026


SIKH STUDENT DEMANDS ANSWERS


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Jummah Kutbahaykum: Why does Islam have a higher standard of morality than Sikhi belief? Why is it that Sikhi has higher standards of morality, and why does it have a better legal system than that of Sikhi?

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00:00:00.000 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
00:00:04.460 I'm so happy to be able to talk to you today.
00:00:07.500 And mashallah, my brother, our Shaykh Ali Hamouda is doing a great job.
00:00:12.640 Waqf forever is a very, very beautiful cause 1.00
00:00:17.200 because the reward of what you give is not just at the moment of giving,
00:00:25.220 but rather it is prolonged for a very, very long time.
00:00:29.080 And it lasts for as long as that Waqf continues to generate some form of benefit. 0.79
00:00:37.720 So I highly recommend Waqf forever. 1.00
00:00:40.160 As an ambassador of Abdullah Aid, I know the partnership that we have is amazing.
00:00:46.780 And not many people understand the concept of Waqf,
00:00:50.880 yet the reward is far greater through the Waqf.
00:00:54.380 So inshallah, if you can support Waqf forever,
00:00:56.920 it will be really, really amazing and very, very rewarding.
00:01:04.940 So I come from a Sikhi background
00:01:06.880 and we're told to research other religions while staying content in us.
00:01:11.340 And the question I have is about morality.
00:01:15.760 So morality, the rules that Sikhi points out to is it can be universalized,
00:01:22.640 treat every person as an end and forbid coercion or harm to innocence.
00:01:27.620 So Sikhi in Gurbani, it teaches us that human is a Jodhsarup, divine light.
00:01:34.280 And so the body is a temple and every life, you cannot violate that life because it's a temple.
00:01:40.940 So, and Sikhi also promotes that no one is my enemy idea.
00:01:44.340 So there's no punishment for apostasy in Sikhi.
00:01:49.040 There is discipline in service, no violence.
00:01:52.800 Force is only for defense of the oppressed. 0.68
00:01:54.980 So by contrast, these three ideas in Islam, apostasy should be punishable by death and male authority of a woman. 0.77
00:02:05.720 So there's just ideas I'm bringing that I've heard from people that speak about Islam, whether they are against or for.
00:02:12.340 So males have authority over a woman. 0.86
00:02:15.600 In the mainstream readings, you can say some readings say it's permitted to strike a woman.
00:02:22.040 And then lastly, so captives and concubines. 1.00
00:02:25.540 It says that you can have sex with the owned slaves, which avoids consent.
00:02:31.920 So lastly, my question is, a system that protects equal inviolability, forbids coercion of belief, and rejects non-consensual sex is morally higher than the one that permits them.
00:02:46.460 So, given just these points, how can you believe that Islam has a higher or moral superiority than Sikhi belief?
00:02:54.840 So the first point that was mentioned was, killing, can you just say that first point again about killing, with regards to it being a universal principle, or it can be universalized?
00:03:18.580 So what was the first point about morality?
00:03:21.140 About killing.
00:03:22.040 Oh, about killing.
00:03:22.800 So that was about apostasy.
00:03:25.740 No, you said there are certain principles that you get from Sikhi that can be universalized.
00:03:32.660 And one example that you gave was pertaining murder or something along those lines.
00:03:37.620 Just remind me what that was.
00:03:40.460 So it says by morality that it can be universalized.
00:03:45.200 So that means that Gurbani teaches us that the body is a temple, and you cannot violate that temple.
00:03:52.880 So you cannot go around killing a person just because of an apostasy.
00:03:57.140 Right, right.
00:03:57.800 I've got you, I've got you.
00:03:59.060 So this is the argument that it's not just from Sikhi.
00:04:02.660 This is an argument that comes even from atheists as well, or possibly agnostics.
00:04:08.460 So they say that, you know, morality, it's fine.
00:04:12.800 Why do we need God for morality?
00:04:15.280 But the principles that you've mentioned are the principles that are expounded upon by humanists as well.
00:04:20.920 You might say that killing somebody is bad.
00:04:24.460 That's it.
00:04:25.460 But I'm sorry, that's not something that can be universalized, nor is it universalized.
00:04:29.900 In fact, in this country, you can get one person saying killing is wrong.
00:04:35.080 However, I guarantee within one minute of having a conversation with said individual, they will retract on their statement.
00:04:42.620 Why?
00:04:42.940 Because of a change of definition.
00:04:45.040 I'll give you an example.
00:04:46.600 Said individual will say killing is wrong, it's barbaric, it's bad.
00:04:51.220 However, they will also accept in that same vein that after six months, it's okay for you to abort a child.
00:05:01.520 Killing is wrong.
00:05:03.360 But for them, my body, my choice.
00:05:06.800 So over here we're seeing, when I was debating or having a discussion with said individual, they said, no, no, no, it's not a baby, it's a fetus.
00:05:14.400 So a shift of word, a shift of definition, now suddenly makes it okay for you to kill such individual.
00:05:22.360 Let me present another example.
00:05:24.800 What if killing an individual, and this is in the moral philosophy if somebody is studying this, it comes under utilitarianism.
00:05:34.980 If killing one individual will save the lives of a hundred, is it permitted?
00:05:41.880 Well, most people will say yes.
00:05:43.240 But if you go with that, which is more in line with Kant's categorical imperative, well, in that case, no, you'd say no.
00:05:52.340 But still you'll end up indirectly killing numerous other people.
00:05:58.360 So when you say killing or harming the body can be universalized, I beg to differ.
00:06:05.520 I would say, and I would retort with, who decides?
00:06:09.540 And what are the metrics?
00:06:10.860 Where are we getting these metrics from?
00:06:14.000 These principles that you've said on the face of it, and on the surface of it, mashallah, fantastic.
00:06:19.520 I'm sure most of us on the surface of it, we would absolutely agree.
00:06:24.400 But the problem, my brother, is it's the specifics that get us.
00:06:30.140 The application that gets us.
00:06:32.760 And that's where the debate lies.
00:06:35.260 That is utilitarianism correct, or is Kant's categorical imperative correct?
00:06:40.240 Some say morality is subjective.
00:06:44.720 Well, generally speaking, that's how it seems.
00:06:48.100 When it comes to, say, a non-Muslim country, non-scriptural-based country, they will say yes. 1.00
00:06:54.300 It's society.
00:06:55.320 Society decides, and morality can change.
00:07:00.080 50 years, 100 years.
00:07:01.500 We already know in this country what the laws for homosexuality were all, but 100 odd years ago.
00:07:08.780 Same with LGBT. 1.00
00:07:10.520 Laws change, people's perceptions change.
00:07:13.540 So there's a debate between subjective morality and objective morality.
00:07:17.560 Where do we get the specifics from?
00:07:20.700 Where are the guidelines from?
00:07:22.160 The debate comes down to scripture.
00:07:24.240 Then the next question is, which scripture?
00:07:27.280 That's where the debate actually lies.
00:07:29.480 Now, you mentioned a few points.
00:07:33.520 Now, I think those few points are a gross misrepresentation of what Islam actually is.
00:07:39.740 I have to be honest with you here.
00:07:42.100 When you go to America, no one's going to say, we're going into a land, land of the free.
00:07:47.880 Or is education free?
00:07:49.480 No.
00:07:50.440 Is medical free?
00:07:52.680 No.
00:07:53.720 Am I free to, you know, do this and do that, insult somebody, you know, make racist comments?
00:07:58.680 No.
00:07:59.300 To harm somebody?
00:08:00.200 No.
00:08:00.760 So free what?
00:08:01.580 Oh, is it true that, you know, if I do this law wrong, I will be put in the electric chair?
00:08:07.460 Is it true that if I maybe say something treason-based and I leave the country, will that be okay?
00:08:16.960 Absolutely no.
00:08:18.660 Yeah?
00:08:19.020 But that's not the first thing that's mentioned.
00:08:21.960 Yeah?
00:08:22.300 Why is it?
00:08:23.180 And I'm not just saying to you, again, I'm addressing the whole crowd here.
00:08:26.200 Why is it when it comes to Islam and Islamic law, when we talk about Islamic law, it's about five, six things, and they are significantly straw-manned, and they are top of the list. 1.00
00:08:42.260 As opposed to Muslims being the, well, it's a UK statistic, because ironically it was covered by the Daily Mail.
00:08:50.680 And the Daily Mail was saying that the religious group, the religious group that's known to give the most charity are Muslims.
00:08:59.120 Well, that's Sharia law. 0.92
00:09:01.400 That's not at the top of the list.
00:09:03.360 Or let me give you another one, Gallup poll.
00:09:06.200 Yeah?
00:09:06.500 They asked people of other faiths, and they said, is it ever okay to kill innocent people?
00:09:13.680 With a resounding 78%, it was the highest, and it was Muslims that said, no, under no circumstances can you do that. 1.00
00:09:22.440 Yeah?
00:09:22.560 So, if you are looking even at the statistic of, say, happiness, why?
00:09:27.340 Because of praying five times a day, the relationship one has with one's parents, with neighbors, that is also Sharia law.
00:09:35.760 When it comes to apostasy, because that's what you mentioned, and Ali touched upon it, again, this is something that needs to be fleshed out.
00:09:44.800 But, because, and people might be surprised, leaving the religion does not get you killed.
00:09:51.960 Shock, horror, what, I thought, no.
00:09:55.400 If you are in a Muslim country, you leave the religion, that's it. 1.00
00:10:00.840 Like, you can go about your life.
00:10:03.820 However, if now you go to the streets, you start corrupting the people.
00:10:10.600 Yeah?
00:10:11.400 Because in an Islamic country, the greatest sin is shirk. 1.00
00:10:16.720 Yeah?
00:10:17.180 Assigning partners with Allah, etc.
00:10:20.640 Yeah?
00:10:21.100 So, it's wronging Allah. 0.75
00:10:23.780 Now, when it comes to wronging Allah, because again, there's scales for morality here.
00:10:29.500 The scale for morality in Islam is going against Allah, disbelieving in Allah. 1.00
00:10:35.780 Yeah?
00:10:36.920 Why?
00:10:37.360 Because if a person dies, they'll go to hellfire.
00:10:40.240 So, there has to be consequences.
00:10:43.000 There has to be a system in place over here.
00:10:45.580 So, if a person leaves, they don't do anything, that's it.
00:10:49.020 They can leave, no issue.
00:10:51.060 They can practice their religion, frankly.
00:10:53.400 There are churches, they have their own sections.
00:10:55.680 They want to drink in a Muslim land, they're allowed to do so. 1.00
00:10:58.640 But when you go outside, and you now want to corrupt the other Muslims in the land, 1.00
00:11:03.120 then it becomes an issue.
00:11:04.260 Then, the highest punishment is killing the individual.
00:11:10.620 That's there.
00:11:11.820 Yeah?
00:11:11.920 However, that's not the first punishment.
00:11:15.160 There have been many cases in which the person has been imprisoned, the person has been exiled.
00:11:21.060 Yeah?
00:11:21.560 They've been, there's a treaty with another country.
00:11:25.120 But apostasy is there.
00:11:27.020 That doesn't mean that if you leave, that's the prescribed punishment.
00:11:30.440 It's one of the punishments.
00:11:32.340 But people make it seem like, you've left, that's it.
00:11:36.220 Finito babito.
00:11:37.320 Yeah?
00:11:38.100 But that's not the case, brother.
00:11:39.860 Yeah?
00:11:40.220 The other thing that you mentioned was taking this concept of sex slaves.
00:11:45.680 Where is it in the Quran?
00:11:47.480 It's not in the Quran.
00:11:49.500 Yeah?
00:11:49.660 It's actually a concept that's taken from the Old Testament.
00:11:53.800 This terminology, even in fact, say apostasy as well.
00:11:58.460 Yeah?
00:11:59.180 Ridda.
00:12:00.500 We don't have a concept of apostasy.
00:12:03.440 That's something that's been superimposed.
00:12:06.480 Yeah?
00:12:06.880 Edward Said's written that book.
00:12:09.280 Orientalism.
00:12:09.940 Yeah?
00:12:10.200 It actually falls under the guise of Orientalism.
00:12:13.740 So even if you take, for example, sex slaves, that's not the concept within Islam.
00:12:18.160 That, oh, you just take, someone's a slave, that's it.
00:12:22.080 You can now have intercourse with them.
00:12:23.820 It's a made-up word, by the way.
00:12:26.020 It's a made-up word.
00:12:26.700 Tell us.
00:12:27.280 And not only that, for example, you believe, you have one of your gurus, which is the book, right?
00:12:31.720 The Guru Grant Sahib?
00:12:34.100 Guru Grant Sahib.
00:12:35.280 Yeah.
00:12:36.120 You have something there, but if I'm not mistaken, it's called Dharam Yud.
00:12:38.960 What's Dharam Yud?
00:12:40.560 Dharam Yud.
00:12:41.420 So Dharam Yud is what you fight mentally.
00:12:43.900 So it says, I can use examples of...
00:12:48.800 It's called, it means righteous war.
00:12:50.780 Righteous war within the mind, yeah.
00:12:52.300 Okay, good.
00:12:53.040 No, not within the mind.
00:12:54.260 For example, a thief, you do realize you carry a sword or a knife, right?
00:12:57.180 Yes, we do.
00:12:57.980 Okay, why do you carry that?
00:12:58.920 As I mentioned in the question itself, that one of the points about Sikhi is force is only 1.00
00:13:05.640 for defense of the oppressed.
00:13:07.760 No, but it says also a righteous war.
00:13:09.200 What do you define as a righteous war?
00:13:10.420 That is what we define as a righteous war, is when in defense of the oppressed.
00:13:16.760 Okay, so you would agree, and this is a fact, that Sikhs have been oppressed and been under
00:13:21.320 persecution throughout history, right?
00:13:24.540 Am I correct to say that?
00:13:25.760 Yes, they are.
00:13:26.060 Good.
00:13:26.500 So that's one of the reasons they carry that, and I don't blame them at all.
00:13:29.300 Like, if you are being under attack, I call that a righteous war.
00:13:32.060 I call it a righteous war that you are carrying a weapon because you are constantly under attack,
00:13:36.980 and that is what one of your scriptures say that.
00:13:40.600 So to us, that's the same concept.
00:13:42.880 So you see, Islam is pragmatic, yeah? 0.91
00:13:44.520 And I don't want to long it too much because we've got a lot of questions, the brother said.
00:13:46.960 I want to keep our answers short, forgive us.
00:13:48.640 But the thing is this, bro, we need to be pragmatic.
00:13:51.500 I can come to you and say, I have a religion called Lala Daisy, okay?
00:13:55.660 And Lala Daisy, we just love everybody, and I walk here and I throw flowers, and I do backflips,
00:14:00.260 and I'm like a hippo, and it's like, okay, what do you do when someone, like Christians say this, 0.83
00:14:05.040 turn the other cheek.
00:14:06.060 Come on, man, are you telling me if I slap you, you're going to turn the other cheek, yeah?
00:14:09.260 Okay, you're not.
00:14:10.460 Be pragmatic, be real.
00:14:12.200 We live in the real world, and Islam is a real religion that deals with pragmatism. 0.99
00:14:16.440 Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:14:17.160 It deals with real problems, real solutions.
00:14:19.840 And that's the reason why, if you look, and I genuinely believe this as well,
00:14:22.880 even on the season, like, for example, it would even be classed as a righteous war
00:14:26.220 if, among the Sikhs, there is an individual who says, I am not a Sikhie anymore.
00:14:31.240 And you can say, okay, no problem, like I said about the Holy Temple, whatever, like the body.
00:14:36.260 Bye-bye.
00:14:36.860 If he says, no, no, no, I'm going to stay here, I'm going to talk negatively against Sikhism, 0.97
00:14:41.700 and I'm going to, and it's going to start off with words,
00:14:44.060 and it's going to start gathering arguments, say, a group of people who are going to attack
00:14:48.280 an innocent Sikh woman walking, because he believes Sikhism is absolutely wrong,
00:14:51.800 his brain watched me for years, I'm an ex-Sikhie, and I'm going to take you out.
00:14:54.880 Now, a righteous war would be what?
00:14:56.760 You use that sword against that person who's attacking that woman,
00:14:59.700 and it would be classed as what?
00:15:00.960 A righteous war.
00:15:02.020 So we're seeing, in real scenarios, in real situations,
00:15:04.700 what Islam is prescribed, it doesn't sound good to the ear,
00:15:07.980 but it is a real pragmatic solution.
00:15:09.940 That's the reason I came to Islam, because it's a real religion.
00:15:12.220 It doesn't deal with, like, hunky-dory, yeah, if someone slaps you,
00:15:15.040 I'm going to give him a flower, send 10 pounds to his account.
00:15:17.400 No.
00:15:18.020 So I would say, my brother, that this is where the righteous war that you have,
00:15:22.160 we have this, excuse me, we also have righteous war against those who've been oppressed,
00:15:28.540 if they're Muslim or non-Muslim, if as Muslims we see in our lands, 0.74
00:15:32.060 the Sikhs are being oppressed, and the Muslims done this, 1.00
00:15:34.200 when the Christians were being persecuted,
00:15:36.420 when the Jews were being persecuted by centuries, by the crusaders,
00:15:39.740 and by the way, the word infidel comes from the crusaders.
00:15:42.640 They've ascribed it to us.
00:15:43.720 Apparently we say you're killed infidel wherever you see them. 1.00
00:15:45.660 Yeah, okay, man, stop watching horror movies, yeah?
00:15:46.960 Okay, so the thing is, is that Christians were protected by other denominations
00:15:53.160 that were trying to kill them, and the Muslims would go out to war. 0.94
00:15:55.980 And at one instance, I can't remember who the ruler was,
00:15:57.960 they went out, they couldn't defeat the army,
00:15:59.740 they came back to the Christians and said, 0.76
00:16:01.920 here's the jizya tax that you used to pay to protect you,
00:16:04.460 we couldn't protect you, here's your money back.
00:16:06.480 When Saladin al-Ayubi conquered Jerusalem,
00:16:08.880 yes, when the Christians were desecrating the holy temples of the Jews,
00:16:12.300 the synagogue, and killing the Jews,
00:16:14.020 who brought back Jewish families back to those lands to live in cohesion?
00:16:16.380 It was the Muslims.
00:16:17.700 So in a nutshell, I hope that answers your question.
00:16:20.060 We are going to try to answer it fast, inshallah.
00:16:22.240 If you do want to, after the event, we can talk as well.
00:16:25.540 Just a quick point on the, you said the Sikhs will be protected under Muslim rule, let's say.
00:16:31.620 Yeah?
00:16:32.100 Do Sikhs classify as Dimi?
00:16:35.200 Okay, yes, so for example, there's a different opinion.
00:16:37.460 So there's the Christians, there's the Jews, 0.99
00:16:38.640 and there's also Mujassima, the, you know the,
00:16:43.300 no, not Politeus, there's, you know the Persians.
00:16:45.860 So some of the scholars say,
00:16:49.120 even when it comes to idol worship,
00:16:50.240 they can live as long as they pray the jizya.
00:16:52.000 So there is a difference of opinion.
00:16:53.100 Some say no, some say yes.
00:16:55.720 Which, where do you stand?
00:16:57.600 Me, I'll be honest with you,
00:16:58.740 I haven't looked into the matter.
00:17:00.100 But I mean, I mean, if I'm the Islamic empire,
00:17:01.920 if I'm the Amir of Mu'mineen,
00:17:03.060 I mean, I'm looking after you guys, inshallah.
00:17:05.240 I'll follow that opinion.
00:17:05.880 Thank you.