SMART ATHEIST AGREES WITH SHARIA
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the issue of veganism, veganism and free speech in general, and what would you do if you were told that you were allowed to promote veganism but not allowed to do so publicly?
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with the quranly app right now just to reiterate so my question was if we lived in an island yes and
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there was all vegans yes and i was a vegan yes and one day i happened to eat something which was me and
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i went this is bloody amazing yes and i'm like where did this come from and i realized i don't know
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how somebody was cooking and he said to me listen i'm staying away from this vegan yes yes i live in
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the uh jungle and i eat meat join me and i'm like bloody of course i'm bloody joining this is bloody
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amazing and they've been telling me okay so now the point would be that that would be an excitement to
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violence saying let's not be vegan would be okay let's kill these animals so would you if i started
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coming out to your gatherings yes and i said guys try this meat and tell me if it's bad yes would you
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stop me uh so without getting too technical this is meat that's been that an animal has been killed
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for it's not like roadkill or something like that unless i had no meat i just said i want to preach
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that people should eat meat i think so i'm a bit of a free speech absolutist i guess things that we
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should so we should go and kill these animals okay i'm saying i would i would say that that is not
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defensible free speech that's a direct incitement of violence okay so again not as bad it's it's on the
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same track so saying like let's go and kill these peoples over here let's go and kill these animals
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over here it's still wrong but it's nowhere not as bad okay so therefore if i made an argument
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intellectually and i said yes these are the top five reasons we should eat meat yes okay for example
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if i realize that we're stronger argument's sake okay we can do more we can produce more yeah it's
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going to be better for our greater community argument's sake well none of that stuff is true
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necessarily yes let's say it was so would you allow me to preach to the masses and when you
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start seeing your vegan friends come in and say hmm i have a point would there be a concern in your
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mind of i need to stop this guy because otherwise it's going to make us all meat eaters it would be
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a concern in a similar way that if you had someone who was convincing people to go and kill people
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who's saying let's go i don't believe that's the same thing it's not it's not the same it's not as bad
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don't get me wrong but it's in a like this would be a worse point if someone was saying right let's
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go out and kill people and making arguments just to go and kill people i'd say that speech isn't
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protected and that you should be sanctioned for that i don't think they should be killed for that
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what would you do with me what would you what would you do with me uh i would give you a i think the
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first thing i would do would be to give you a fine you know like again i'm not i'm not sure about
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the legal punishment i know it's morally wrong no no you guys are ruling you guys in the ruling party
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you are full control god as much as i want everyone to be vegan i'm not qualified to be
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dictator no no no but what would you do you need to understand so so so let's say that so it's in
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a similar if someone was going out now and saying let's kill people which again i think it's worse
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than saying let's kill animals yes but that's but it's in about someone's going to say let's kill
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people i don't think we should kill that person no problem i think we should do with me
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no problem what would you do with me well in your eyes killing an animal is killing a human being
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no problem again not not in the same not the same badness but on the same way i understand so
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i'm saying you have someone indirectly yes promoting something which is severe to you
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he's seen as an animal you're seeing it as yes close as killing a human yes what would you do to
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stop his propaganda uh i wouldn't kill them no problem i i think what you would ultimately you'd
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give him an incentive not to and since you'd punish him like a fine or something like we would do now
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no no no okay no problem no problem because another thing about punishment as well because
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i don't believe in free will i don't think like you you punish for a deterrent's sake you don't
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punish because they're a bad person okay no problem i just just say with this one i would take this
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person yeah you'd you'd incentivize them not to like a fine or something yes if they carried on
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you would have to stop their speech you'd have to lock them up this would be like we're doing now
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with like preachers now who are saying we should go around and kill everyone like like you know
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i i can't think of an example now but the people who encourage people to go and join isis good
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good we lock them up because they're giving a direct assignment to violence brilliant and stop
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their speech from being heard i don't think we should kill them brilliant you agreed with me on
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something yes that the fact that i as a mediator will cause some kind of a corruption in society
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which may lead to something which you deem to be greater than what it actually is but in your eyes
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you believe it's close to killing a human being you will take measures and precautions to stop me from
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that speech in islam when we look at a apostate yes we are not seeing by the way let me make it
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very clear bounty hunting or uh what do they call that word when you go and hunt um apostate
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what's there's word for vigilantism yeah yes it's not allowed in islam i can't go and be like oh
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apostate whoa let's go hunting this is not permissible we are talking about an islamically run
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government yes yes ruled by the sharia number one so as muslims for us somebody leaving their religion
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is not the issue here the issue is the propagation because now you're according to your way which is
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not going to just kill your soul but kill and kill your body but it's going to destroy the soul of
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others and islam has come to protect this fighting islam has come for to protect the mind to protect the
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wealth to protect the health to protect the lineage and protect the religion of uh people so when you
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are having an outright attack and all of these things have major capital punishments when somebody
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is coming and saying things which is um against islam abusing islam as as a muslim we have a right
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to protect our community as a whole just the way you protect your community of veganism so we say that
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this person doesn't want to be a muslim bye-bye leave the country look the world is vast see you
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later if you're gonna come and say no i'm gonna carry on preaching islam has a capital punishment i see
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and that to me is justified how this is not exclusive to muslims as a vegan i asked you a question you said
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yes i will not give you the capital punishment i will put you in prison i'll be honest rotting in prison
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for the rest of my life i think i prefer death so the point is this because the question is that islam
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is not a blood-thirsty religion islam wants order and to protect the communal rights as a whole and
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individual cannot come and say i want to drink alcohol that alcohol might cause you to drink drive
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and kill five people yes you are not allowed to drink alcohol because your right is going to transverse
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the right of others so what islam says is that we are here to protect our religion if you have left it
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there's the door if you want to cause corruption here's a capital punishment so what would happen
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then i'm trying to think now of some of the guys on youtube uh so i guess i and her sialli would be
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the she's she's i don't even know if she was ever a muslim and her story she got kicked out of
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netherlands because of a fake image story of how she was abused it got i don't know if you saw it
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there was a documentary done yeah she got she lost a citizen but would she but if she proclaims to be
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an apostate criticizes islam she would be killed under this sharia society look there is a capital
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punishment but there's also for example ibn al-qayyim had a view which he used evidence from the
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treaty of hudaybiya there was a treaty yeah that was done that for example if we have a
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group of deportation yes yes exile exile but but if but in the world that you want to live in
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i want to live in a vegan world you want to live in an islamic world so there's no there's nowhere to be
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deported what would happen to like iron her sialli um i can't remember i think he's atheist
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republic apostate prophet he doesn't even know how to recite the shortest verse in the quran so i
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i'm not we have the question we have the question we have the question if you were
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apologies for pushing his name people so the thing is capital punishment will be applied
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to all of these uh vocal and we are proud of that i see you know why just as the way as a vegan you
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would protect your community as a whole we as muslims are not asking for anything i guess for
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me it's not about protecting vegans because i don't think that vegans are important and also we looked
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at sorry sorry i need to go in a minute sure we looked at some ottoman statistics muhammad hijab
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looked at the ottoman empire which moved for a significant amount do you know there was hardly
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capital punishment applied in the first states there was imprisonment they looked at data so this is
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the question is it's also is the decision of the ruler if the ruler says you know what you should
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lock him up they'll be locked up but what i'm saying is what islam promote is not something
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exclusive to us all groups of people being veganism judaism christianity islam every human being
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has these regulations in place to protect it for example edward snowden what is edward snowden doing in
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russia wikileaks what's his name julian assange the question what i'm saying is they all apply it
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in different ways but john i have to go no no thank you very much it's been a pleasure it really was i
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really enjoyed it so you've got a youtube channel yes my name is ali dawa yes ali dawa you can subscribe
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i will do yeah check it out thank you very much it was a pleasure talking to you and i hope you guys