Ali Dawah - September 21, 2017


TALKING TO SWEDISH CHRISTIANS - BLIND FAITH VS REASONING


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Length

12 minutes

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202.90617

Word Count

2,574

Sentence Count

333

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Can I ask you a question?
00:00:27.680 Now I'm asking you, because you understand about Christianity, I want to know where in the Old Testament is the idea of the Trinity, is it mentioned?
00:00:44.680 You know the story of Abraham, when three great guests appear in his tent?
00:00:51.680 We have the same story in Abraham.
00:00:53.680 That's a manifestation of the Trinity.
00:00:55.680 Okay, but this is not clear. Can you see it's ambiguous?
00:00:58.680 Anything for you will be clear. Anything for you. If you don't want to believe, everything will be unclear to you.
00:01:04.680 Why do you always fixate in the issues of the Bible, the so-called issues that don't really exist in the Bible?
00:01:10.680 You don't look in the Koran, so many issues.
00:01:13.680 I'm trying to understand Christianity.
00:01:16.680 You're trying to refuse Christianity.
00:01:18.680 Okay, but seeketh the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
00:01:21.680 Yeah?
00:01:22.680 Yeah.
00:01:23.680 Okay, so let's not accuse one another of something we don't know, because I don't know what's inside of your heart.
00:01:30.680 Just like you don't know what's inside of my heart.
00:01:32.680 Maybe after tomorrow, I will be the biggest and better Christian than you.
00:01:36.680 Maybe.
00:01:37.680 Maybe three or four days from now, you'll be a Muslim.
00:01:39.680 I don't believe it.
00:01:40.680 No, but you know, you don't know.
00:01:41.680 Like, we don't know this, yeah?
00:01:43.680 Anyways, the point I'm saying is as follows.
00:01:45.680 God only knows the heart.
00:01:46.680 Yeah, exactly.
00:01:47.680 Thank you very much.
00:01:48.680 Only God knows the heart.
00:01:49.680 What I'm saying to you, my friend, is as follows, right?
00:01:52.680 I'm saying, as someone who looks at the Old Testament, yeah?
00:01:56.680 The Old Testament, which the first five books of which is sent to Moses, the rest of which are sent to other prophets.
00:02:03.680 When I look at these books, I'm trying to find the message of the Trinity, which then came afterwards in the form of the Nicene Creed in 325,
00:02:14.680 the Constantinople Creed in 381, you know, the Chalcedon Creed in 451.
00:02:20.680 These three creeds, I believe, formulated Christianity, yeah?
00:02:23.680 Now, your idea of theology and belief in God, my belief is, is shaped by these creeds, not the Bible, and not what the prophets have said.
00:02:36.680 Now, I want something very clear.
00:02:38.680 Just like in the book of Deuteronomy...
00:02:41.680 That's an assumption.
00:02:42.680 Okay.
00:02:43.680 What you're doing is an assumption.
00:02:44.680 Maybe you're right.
00:02:45.680 But I believe it's a justified assumption.
00:02:46.680 What I'm going to say to you is this.
00:02:48.680 In the book of Deuteronomy, chapter number 6, verse number 4, it says,
00:02:52.680 Shema Yisrael, Adonai Elohinu, Adonai Echad, the hero Israel, your Lord, our Lord...
00:02:59.680 Would you like to look at it?
00:03:00.680 No, it's fine.
00:03:01.680 Yes, but even Jesus confirmed that.
00:03:03.680 It's one God.
00:03:04.680 Confirmed that.
00:03:05.680 Now, if you're saying that God is one, and the Old Testament is very, very clear that Shema Yisrael, Adonai, Adonai, the one God is one God.
00:03:14.680 Can you repeat the quotation from the Bible?
00:03:16.680 Yes.
00:03:17.680 It's Deuteronomy, chapter number 6, verse number 4.
00:03:21.680 Okay.
00:03:22.680 Where it says...
00:03:23.680 It's called the Shema.
00:03:25.680 Everyone should know this.
00:03:26.680 It's very well known.
00:03:27.680 Yes?
00:03:28.680 This is the Shema.
00:03:29.680 Shema Yisrael.
00:03:30.680 It means, hear, O Israel.
00:03:32.680 Yes?
00:03:33.680 Hear, therefore, O Israel.
00:03:34.680 Yes.
00:03:35.680 That it may be real with thee, and that ye may increase mightily.
00:03:39.680 And the Lord God of thy fathers have promised thee.
00:03:42.680 No, no.
00:03:43.680 Deuteronomy, chapter 6.
00:03:44.680 Deuteronomy, chapter 6.
00:03:45.680 Verse 4.
00:03:46.680 Verse 4.
00:03:47.680 Verse 4.
00:03:48.680 Hear, O Israel.
00:03:50.680 The Lord is one God.
00:03:52.680 Of course.
00:03:53.680 Yes.
00:03:54.680 He is one.
00:03:55.680 That's the core of the Trinity.
00:03:56.680 Why?
00:03:57.680 Why he can be one and can be three at the same time?
00:03:59.680 Yes, please explain.
00:04:00.680 Yes, sir.
00:04:01.680 Because he's God.
00:04:02.680 Do you believe that your spirit...
00:04:04.680 Of course.
00:04:05.680 God is almighty.
00:04:06.680 If he's almighty, you shouldn't discuss such a thing.
00:04:08.680 No, no, no.
00:04:09.680 You're right.
00:04:10.680 I understand.
00:04:11.680 You have a point there.
00:04:12.680 Basically, you're saying, if God is powerful, he can do whatever he pleases to.
00:04:13.680 Of course.
00:04:14.680 Okay.
00:04:15.680 But now, what that makes it seem like is what you're saying is, for God to be...
00:04:18.680 It's like me going to a king and saying, if you are the most powerful, why don't you
00:04:23.680 come here and be a dustbin man?
00:04:25.680 Show me your power.
00:04:26.680 So, if he says, no, I'm not.
00:04:28.680 I'll say, ah, you are not powerful.
00:04:29.680 What we're doing is, we're using the concept of power in the wrong way.
00:04:32.680 Because we're saying, if you're the powerful, then if I said, okay, can God become a goat?
00:04:36.680 The concept of almighty is that.
00:04:38.680 No, but hear me.
00:04:39.680 Hear me.
00:04:40.680 Hear me.
00:04:41.680 Hear me.
00:04:42.680 If I said to you, can God become my true?
00:04:46.680 No, can God become my true?
00:04:48.680 The true here.
00:04:49.680 Okay.
00:04:50.680 So, you have to define...
00:04:51.680 He can, but he don't want to.
00:04:52.680 Good.
00:04:53.680 Wicked.
00:04:54.680 That's perfect.
00:04:55.680 What you said there...
00:04:56.680 It's not wicked.
00:04:57.680 It means good, very good.
00:04:58.680 I understand what you mean.
00:04:59.680 You made a really profound point.
00:05:00.680 You said, he can, but would he?
00:05:03.680 Yeah.
00:05:04.680 It's like Obama.
00:05:05.680 If I said Obama, why don't you join the American troops and fight?
00:05:08.680 He would say, I don't want to.
00:05:09.680 I can, but I don't want to.
00:05:10.680 Now, the question here is this.
00:05:11.680 The point is that he wanted to become flesh and he became flesh in Jesus Christ.
00:05:14.680 Okay, one second.
00:05:15.680 Now, you made a very valid point.
00:05:16.680 So, the question that we need to ask is, how could you come to us and say that God wanted
00:05:21.680 to become a man?
00:05:22.680 Where is your evidence that God wanted to become a man?
00:05:24.680 Because you said, he can, but would he choose to?
00:05:27.680 If he can't become a shoe, or a goat, or an elephant, why did he choose to become a man?
00:05:31.680 Just the way you said, can God become my shoe?
00:05:34.680 You said, he can, but would he?
00:05:36.680 Yeah, he would.
00:05:37.680 I mean, it's...
00:05:38.680 And that's the same way.
00:05:39.680 Look, my shoe, at least my shoe doesn't go toilet.
00:05:41.680 At least my shoe doesn't have to eat.
00:05:43.680 At least, but when you say God became a man, I have to think to myself, stop.
00:05:47.680 Okay, if you become a man, you have to eat.
00:05:49.680 When you eat, you have to go toilet.
00:05:51.680 So, I say to myself, God is all-powerful, go into the toilet.
00:05:54.680 Nah.
00:05:55.680 My innate, my heart says, that doesn't make sense to me.
00:05:58.680 What I'm saying is, this concept of God becoming human, where do we find that?
00:06:01.680 Where do we hear that?
00:06:02.680 God becoming human.
00:06:03.680 Human, yeah.
00:06:04.680 In the Bible.
00:06:05.680 In the Bible, yeah?
00:06:06.680 Yeah.
00:06:07.680 If the Bible is not the word of God, would that make you reflect and say, okay,
00:06:11.680 if it's because we only get it from the Bible, the Bible is our source, yeah?
00:06:14.680 If we can show you that the Bible is not the word of God, can you still say and rely on this scripture?
00:06:21.680 We believe by faith that this is the word of God.
00:06:23.680 Okay, let's read them.
00:06:24.680 I'm saying you're getting the scripture, like God being human, dying for your sins from the Bible, yeah?
00:06:29.680 Yes?
00:06:30.680 Yeah, Jesus Christ died for your sins.
00:06:31.680 Okay, if this information is in the Bible, yeah?
00:06:34.680 Yes.
00:06:35.680 If I prove to you, brothers, that the Bible is not the word of God, what does that mean for you as a person?
00:06:40.680 I don't believe you can prove that.
00:06:41.680 If I do, if I do, what does that mean for you?
00:06:43.680 I could prove that the Quran is not.
00:06:45.680 I will leave Islam if you do.
00:06:46.680 Right now, I'll leave Islam.
00:06:47.680 If you show to me the Quran has errors, if it's been changed, I'm telling you, I'm ready.
00:06:51.680 For example, the Bible and the Quran.
00:06:52.680 I'm being honest, what does it mean for you?
00:06:53.680 What would you do?
00:06:54.680 If I showed you the Bible is not the word of God, what would you guys do?
00:06:57.680 Well, if you prove me that, I mean, you cannot do anything.
00:07:00.680 If it happens.
00:07:01.680 Okay.
00:07:02.680 Even if you prove me, I will still believe it's true.
00:07:06.680 Even if you prove me, I will still believe it's true.
00:07:09.680 Good.
00:07:10.680 I will look for the answer.
00:07:11.680 Good.
00:07:12.680 Perfect.
00:07:13.680 You know what you've done.
00:07:14.680 I said to you, if you show to me in the Quran, there's errors of contradictions, I am ready to question and leave the fold of Islam.
00:07:20.680 Why?
00:07:21.680 Because if I put my faith into it, I'll say, even if you said to me, look, it says, yeah, the Quran is from Satan.
00:07:25.680 I'll say, no, I don't care.
00:07:26.680 My faith is strong.
00:07:27.680 You can't win with me.
00:07:28.680 I'm reasoning with you.
00:07:29.680 If you're true and sincere, which I'm sure you guys are.
00:07:32.680 If I showed you the scriptures corrupted, your heart needs to say, hold on a second.
00:07:35.680 I need to question everything about the scripture.
00:07:38.680 I'm ready to do that.
00:07:39.680 Why is it that when I ask you, you're saying, even if you show me, then how are you seeking the truth?
00:07:43.680 If I'm saying, okay, this is what it is without.
00:07:46.680 So what's different between you and the Hindu?
00:07:47.680 Yeah.
00:07:48.680 What's the difference between me and the Hindu?
00:07:50.680 They have faith.
00:07:51.680 They have faith.
00:07:52.680 Because your fathers believed in every religion.
00:07:53.680 And you have faith because your fathers believed in the religion.
00:07:55.680 In many, in many ways, we have faith in Jesus Christ.
00:07:58.680 I believe in Jesus because I have faith in Jesus.
00:08:01.680 But what about reasoning?
00:08:03.680 If somebody came to you and said, this is changed.
00:08:06.680 This is somebody, some man wrote this.
00:08:07.680 Are you still going to say, I have faith?
00:08:08.680 That's blind faith.
00:08:09.680 Okay.
00:08:10.680 What's five plus five?
00:08:11.680 Five plus five.
00:08:12.680 Yeah.
00:08:13.680 It's 10.
00:08:14.680 No, I believe it's 12.
00:08:15.680 I have faith.
00:08:16.680 Because in a different system of counting, it could be 12.
00:08:19.680 It could be...
00:08:20.680 No, no, no.
00:08:21.680 But how?
00:08:22.680 And you don't know.
00:08:23.680 You don't know that.
00:08:24.680 I mean, you see...
00:08:25.680 Please use your logic.
00:08:26.680 Let's use our logic.
00:08:27.680 Please.
00:08:28.680 I mean, well, yeah, we can use our logic.
00:08:29.680 Please.
00:08:30.680 You need to understand also that God, if He is Almighty, the same rules who works in
00:08:35.680 our logic does not work for His logic.
00:08:38.680 No, no, no.
00:08:39.680 The same rules rule you and me does not rule God.
00:08:41.680 Yes.
00:08:42.680 So then you can just be a Hindu then?
00:08:43.680 No.
00:08:44.680 Actually not.
00:08:45.680 Why are you a Christian?
00:08:46.680 Actually not.
00:08:47.680 Because God decides...
00:08:48.680 What makes you a Christian?
00:08:49.680 God decides to reveal Himself through the scriptures.
00:08:52.680 Yeah.
00:08:53.680 How we know...
00:08:54.680 How we know...
00:08:55.680 How we know...
00:08:56.680 How we know...
00:08:57.680 Of course.
00:08:58.680 And Muslims believe in Allah.
00:08:59.680 Yeah.
00:09:00.680 So you can believe in anything.
00:09:01.680 It's all about faith.
00:09:02.680 No.
00:09:03.680 Yeah, it's rationality.
00:09:04.680 Okay, let's use rationality.
00:09:05.680 But other rationality is faith.
00:09:07.680 No, no, but not blind faith.
00:09:08.680 You're right.
00:09:09.680 Faith, but not blind faith.
00:09:10.680 You're right.
00:09:11.680 Exactly.
00:09:12.680 That's what I ask you.
00:09:13.680 Yeah.
00:09:14.680 Because...
00:09:15.680 If we talk about blind faith...
00:09:16.680 Okay.
00:09:17.680 If you talk about blind faith...
00:09:18.680 Yeah.
00:09:19.680 Then you stop...
00:09:20.680 We should stop, I mean, attacking the deity of Jesus Christ.
00:09:24.680 And start to look in the Quran.
00:09:26.680 But that's blind faith.
00:09:27.680 Because...
00:09:28.680 Wait.
00:09:29.680 Blind faith is to believe in the Quran.
00:09:30.680 You know what the Quran says?
00:09:31.680 No, no, no.
00:09:32.680 Blind faith is believe in something without reasoning.
00:09:33.680 You know what the Quran says?
00:09:34.680 You know what the Quran says?
00:09:35.680 The Quran, you know...
00:09:36.680 For example, Muhammad...
00:09:37.680 Yeah.
00:09:38.680 Himself...
00:09:39.680 He was much inferior to Jesus Christ when we come to power.
00:09:42.680 He couldn't perform any miracle.
00:09:43.680 He died.
00:09:44.680 We don't compare prophets.
00:09:45.680 But this doesn't make it...
00:09:46.680 Look, there was other prophets that did other miracles.
00:09:48.680 I don't say this one is better than the other.
00:09:49.680 No, no, no.
00:09:50.680 You're fine.
00:09:51.680 Because you just can't believe in God to faith.
00:09:52.680 I agree with you.
00:09:53.680 I agree with you guys.
00:09:54.680 I will say to you, brother.
00:09:55.680 Oh, Allah.
00:09:56.680 This is what I'll say to you.
00:09:57.680 You're my friend.
00:09:58.680 I'm not coming aggressively.
00:09:59.680 Yeah.
00:10:00.680 I'm going to say to you generally.
00:10:01.680 Either we.
00:10:02.680 Yeah, same.
00:10:03.680 I want to say to you this, yeah?
00:10:04.680 I want to say to you this, my friend.
00:10:05.680 If you're saying we cannot agree upon rationality...
00:10:09.680 Sorry.
00:10:10.680 Hello.
00:10:11.680 Yes, I'll speak to you.
00:10:12.680 If you're saying we cannot agree upon rationality as a way to decide between right things and
00:10:18.680 wrong things, which is what you do in school, which is what you do at work, which is what
00:10:22.680 you do everywhere else.
00:10:23.680 But when it comes to the Bible, you don't want to do it for some reason.
00:10:25.680 If you agree that the Bible is only a faith thing and that we can't use rationality, then
00:10:30.680 I can't continue this conversation.
00:10:32.680 Why?
00:10:33.680 Because that means to me that you don't want to try and find the truth.
00:10:35.680 You just want to clutch on the religion of your father.
00:10:38.680 And for me, I cannot discuss with...
00:10:40.680 You see, I would just have to say to you...
00:10:42.680 Well, everything is not rational because it's also a supernatural dimension.
00:10:46.680 No, no, no, of course.
00:10:47.680 We believe in the supernatural.
00:10:48.680 What we're saying is that there should be some universal understanding of God.
00:10:51.680 Yeah.
00:10:52.680 We should all say, you know what?
00:10:53.680 We all agree on that.
00:10:54.680 He's the most powerful.
00:10:55.680 We all agree.
00:10:56.680 He's the all-knowing.
00:10:57.680 We all agree.
00:10:58.680 He's the most wise.
00:10:59.680 We all agree.
00:11:00.680 There should be a universal understanding.
00:11:01.680 I'm not saying I want to know exactly how God works.
00:11:02.680 Of course not.
00:11:03.680 God can do miracles.
00:11:04.680 If we went to...
00:11:05.680 If I stopped an atheist and I said, if there was a higher intelligence, would he be all-powerful?
00:11:09.680 He'd be like, yes.
00:11:10.680 I don't believe, but he should be very strong.
00:11:11.680 I'd be like, okay.
00:11:12.680 Should he be all-knowing?
00:11:13.680 He's like, okay, if he's a creator, he should know it all.
00:11:15.680 So this is something that universally we will all agree on.
00:11:18.680 What you're saying is faith.
00:11:19.680 Look, we have faith as well.
00:11:20.680 We say faith...
00:11:21.680 I don't believe by faith only.
00:11:22.680 I've seen this innovation.
00:11:23.680 Good.
00:11:24.680 Okay.
00:11:25.680 One second.
00:11:26.680 One second.
00:11:27.680 That's subjective.
00:11:28.680 I can say to you, Islam changed my life.
00:11:29.680 You say to me, Christianity changed my life.
00:11:30.680 Buddhists will say, he changed my life.
00:11:31.680 This is subjective experience.
00:11:33.680 We can't use that as an evidence.
00:11:34.680 I can't say Islam is the truth.
00:11:35.680 Why?
00:11:36.680 I became a better person.
00:11:37.680 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:38.680 What we're trying to say is, have faith and reasoning.
00:11:41.680 If you have only faith, that means cross the road.
00:11:44.680 Don't look left to right.
00:11:45.680 Close your eyes.
00:11:46.680 But you have to have faith that you won't get hit by a car.
00:11:49.680 And you also look left to right.
00:11:51.680 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:11:52.680 So what we're trying to say is here, that have faith.
00:11:54.680 But also have reasoning.
00:11:55.680 When you cross the road, you're not going to say, I have full faith.
00:11:58.680 I'm going to go.
00:11:59.680 No.
00:12:00.680 You're going to have faith and left right.
00:12:11.680 Should think?
00:12:12.680 Should.
00:12:13.680 Mean.
00:12:14.680 There's nothing.
00:12:15.680 No.
00:12:16.680 To be a part of an airplane.
00:12:19.680 Hey.
00:12:20.680 Give me one.
00:12:21.680 Na na na na.
00:12:22.680 pull two.
00:12:23.680 Yeah.
00:12:24.680 IOF fuck motherfucker.
00:12:25.680 Don't you want to do this.
00:12:26.680 You're like Atlanta.
00:12:27.680 Oh, you're not going to be a plan.
00:12:36.680 ty.
00:12:37.680 I'm sorry, I got a plan.
00:12:38.680 рав Soon Foreman.
00:12:39.680 Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo.