Ali Dawah - September 22, 2024


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Length

10 minutes

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2,469

Sentence count

358

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Misogyny

4

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Toxicity

18

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Hate speech

19

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In this episode we talk about the prophet's marriage to a 9 year old girl, pedophilia and why we should all be educated about it. We also talk about how we should talk about love and growth and how we need to stop hating on each other.

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00:00:00.000 What's your belief in? What's the legal age in the UK?
00:00:03.000 Hey, don't come all aggressive. I'm asking a question.
00:00:05.000 Who's aggressive?
00:00:06.000 I'm asking a question.
00:00:09.000 Me being aggressive is different. I'm not aggressive.
00:00:12.000 You're acting aggressive. You're acting aggressive.
00:00:14.000 I'm not acting aggressive.
00:00:16.000 Who's the majority of pedophiles? White middle-aged men. 0.82
00:00:18.000 It's not even our problem. It's a white middle-aged man.
00:00:20.000 Are you British?
00:00:22.000 Okay, where are you from? I don't know what you look like, bro.
00:00:24.000 Where am I from, mate?
00:00:25.000 Well, I'm asking you a question. I'm just asking you.
00:00:30.000 Let's talk about life. Let's talk about love.
00:00:32.000 If we talk about love, then we should talk about us.
00:00:34.000 And if we're talking about us, we need to talk about growth.
00:00:37.000 They talk about you, well, they should talk about both.
00:00:40.000 It's easier to hate now and harder to care.
00:00:42.000 We used to offer help, now we gossip and stare.
00:00:45.000 Comment, like, swipe, share. Hate used to be rare.
00:00:49.000 It was Mary. Mary was 12. Did you know that?
00:00:51.000 I had nine years.
00:00:52.000 You know that Mary was 12 when she gave...
00:00:55.000 She became an adult at nine.
00:00:56.000 No, it's against the moment.
00:00:58.000 What law are we talking about?
00:01:00.000 Which law is against?
00:01:01.000 What law is against?
00:01:02.000 What we believe, as in England.
00:01:04.000 In England.
00:01:05.000 What's your belief in? What's the legal age in the UK?
00:01:07.000 Don't become all aggressive.
00:01:08.000 Who is aggressive?
00:01:10.000 I'm asking a question.
00:01:12.000 Me being aggressive is different.
00:01:14.000 I'm not aggressive.
00:01:16.000 You're acting aggressive.
00:01:17.000 You're acting aggressive.
00:01:18.000 I'm not acting aggressive.
00:01:20.000 You're looking aggressive. I'm calm.
00:01:21.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:01:22.000 I don't know. You're looking aggressive.
00:01:23.000 Define...
00:01:24.000 Define...
00:01:25.000 Define...
00:01:26.000 Define pedophilia.
00:01:27.000 Define pedophilia.
00:01:28.000 All I'm saying is wrong.
00:01:29.000 Define pedophilia.
00:01:30.000 Define pedophilia.
00:01:31.000 Don't have to shout at me, mate.
00:01:32.000 I'm talking to you here.
00:01:33.000 What's define pedophilia, then?
00:01:34.000 Well, it's pedophilia, mate.
00:01:35.000 Define it.
00:01:36.000 Who's the majority of pedophiles? 0.77
00:01:38.000 White middle-aged men. 0.96
00:01:39.000 It's not even our problem.
00:01:40.000 It's a white middle-aged man.
00:01:41.000 Are you British?
00:01:42.000 No, I'm not.
00:01:43.000 Okay, where are you from?
00:01:44.000 I don't know what you look like, bro.
00:01:45.000 Yeah, when I'm asking you a question.
00:01:46.000 I'm just asking you.
00:01:47.000 Okay, no, that's fine.
00:01:48.000 See, that's what I mean.
00:01:49.000 You're not here to listen.
00:01:50.000 You come here to ask questions,
00:01:52.000 but when you ask me personal information about myself.
00:01:54.000 I'm just asking where you're...
00:01:55.000 Okay, that's fine.
00:01:56.000 No problem.
00:01:57.000 No problem.
00:01:58.000 What's your name?
00:01:59.000 Can I ask your name?
00:02:00.000 Personal information again.
00:02:01.000 What can I call you?
00:02:02.000 Because I need to refer to you.
00:02:03.000 Okay.
00:02:04.000 Okay, no problem.
00:02:05.000 Okay, no problem.
00:02:06.000 Alright, no problem.
00:02:07.000 So, you said you have an issue with what?
00:02:09.000 Which is it?
00:02:10.000 The prophet's marriage to Aisha? 0.95
00:02:12.000 You have an issue with the prophet's marriage to Aisha?
00:02:14.000 Just ask the question.
00:02:15.000 Why is it he married a nine-year-old?
00:02:17.000 She was a woman.
00:02:18.000 She was a woman.
00:02:19.000 She was not a nine-year-old-ed woman.
00:02:21.000 Let me just...
00:02:22.000 In your kind of law, yes.
00:02:27.000 But that's why I say to you define what's pedophilia.
00:02:30.000 Because you know what's pedophilia.
00:02:31.000 But in your law, it's okay.
00:02:32.000 You know what's pedophilia.
00:02:33.000 Do you know what's pedophilia?
00:02:35.000 Do you understand?
00:02:36.000 Let me...
00:02:37.000 You want to be educated?
00:02:38.000 I'll educate you.
00:02:39.000 You don't say educate me.
00:02:40.000 I know what's wrong with it.
00:02:41.000 Well, no.
00:02:42.000 You come in with...
00:02:43.000 Excuse me, boss.
00:02:44.000 You come in with a pretense.
00:02:45.000 With a pretense.
00:02:46.000 Yeah.
00:02:47.000 You came to me to ask me.
00:02:48.000 He's taking offense because I asked you a question about Hamid.
00:02:50.000 I'm not offended.
00:02:51.000 Let me ask you something.
00:02:52.000 Can I...
00:02:53.000 Can I...
00:02:54.000 Can I...
00:02:55.000 Can I just...
00:02:56.000 Can I just address it?
00:02:57.000 Can I...
00:02:58.000 Okay.
00:02:59.000 Can I...
00:03:00.000 Can I...
00:03:01.000 Can I address it?
00:03:02.000 Okay.
00:03:03.000 Can I ask you a question?
00:03:04.000 Yeah.
00:03:05.000 Exactly.
00:03:06.000 And you have the right to ask questions.
00:03:07.000 No, no.
00:03:08.000 I was just...
00:03:09.000 It's just...
00:03:10.000 The questions I was asking you.
00:03:11.000 It's so I can just get a little background.
00:03:12.000 You don't need to...
00:03:13.000 It's not questioning me.
00:03:14.000 I'm asking you questions.
00:03:15.000 No, no, no.
00:03:16.000 My questions was nothing to do with that.
00:03:17.000 It's just that people come here and I say to them, what's your name?
00:03:18.000 My name is Dave.
00:03:19.000 My name is...
00:03:20.000 No, no.
00:03:21.000 Let's cut it down.
00:03:22.000 Let's cut it down.
00:03:23.000 Okay.
00:03:24.000 What is?
00:03:25.000 People shouldn't be dying with nine-year-olds and ten-year-olds.
00:03:27.000 Okay.
00:03:28.000 Where in Islam does it tell you?
00:03:29.000 Where it says it in Britain and most other countries?
00:03:31.000 No, no, no.
00:03:32.000 Where in Islam...
00:03:33.000 It's not in a dictionary.
00:03:34.000 It's not in a dictionary.
00:03:35.000 It says it in the Quran.
00:03:36.000 Guys, let's have a civilized discussion.
00:03:37.000 There's no way in the Quran... 1.00
00:03:38.000 There's no way in the Quran it tells you the age of to get married.
00:03:39.000 It doesn't say that.
00:03:40.000 Well, I read something in the Quran was saying that he married a nine-year-old.
00:03:42.000 There's no way in the Quran it says that.
00:03:43.000 Well, where does it say that?
00:03:44.000 It's hadith.
00:03:45.000 Yeah, well...
00:03:46.000 Let's sit down the source here.
00:03:47.000 Okay.
00:03:48.000 Let's break it down, okay?
00:03:49.000 So we just understand each other.
00:03:50.000 Number one, firstly, are you a Christian?
00:03:51.000 Yes.
00:03:52.000 Do you have a belief system?
00:03:53.000 Because I need to know which I'm going to cover.
00:03:55.000 But I need to know because are you an atheist?
00:03:58.000 You don't need to ask me.
00:03:59.000 You don't need to ask me stuff about myself.
00:04:00.000 But you know why?
00:04:01.000 No, it's not about yourself.
00:04:02.000 Because the thing is your belief system could contrary to that.
00:04:04.000 The reason I'm asking is because if you're a Christian, it will contradict your beliefs. 1.00
00:04:07.000 Don't worry what I am, mate.
00:04:09.000 No, no, it's not.
00:04:10.000 I'm asking because...
00:04:11.000 Yeah, and I'm saying to you, don't worry what I am.
00:04:12.000 Okay, okay.
00:04:13.000 I'm going to assume you're a Christian.
00:04:14.000 If you're a Christian... 0.97
00:04:15.000 If you're a Christian... 0.97
00:04:16.000 No, no, no, but...
00:04:17.000 No, I am, but...
00:04:18.000 Mate, listen.
00:04:19.000 Anything to do with me, I'm just going to give you information.
00:04:21.000 Okay, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine.
00:04:22.000 So then I can't really...
00:04:24.000 I'll try my best to address it, but I need to know your worldview because if you're not
00:04:27.000 telling me...
00:04:28.000 If you're an atheist, you have no... 0.51
00:04:29.000 No, but on what basis?
00:04:31.000 On what basis is it wrong?
00:04:32.000 What's this wrong?
00:04:33.000 On what basis?
00:04:34.000 A nine-year-old, mate.
00:04:35.000 No, no, no, one second.
00:04:36.000 Categorically wrong or consequentially wrong?
00:04:37.000 Is it categorically...
00:04:38.000 No, no, no, one second.
00:04:39.000 On what basis are you coming to the conclusion that...
00:04:42.000 One second.
00:04:43.000 One second.
00:04:44.000 Would I marry a nine-year-old?
00:04:45.000 No.
00:04:46.000 No, no, ask me would I marry a nine-year-old?
00:04:47.000 No.
00:04:48.000 My religion doesn't even tell me to marry a nine-year-old.
00:04:49.000 So that's what I'm telling you.
00:04:50.000 Fourteen hundred years ago, what you're doing is you are applying the laws of...
00:04:55.000 Not laws...
00:04:56.000 The modern-day norms of today to back then.
00:04:59.000 Fourteen hundred years ago.
00:05:00.000 Now what I'm saying to you is the following.
00:05:02.000 The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, one second. 0.99
00:05:03.000 He married his first wife with Khatija.
00:05:05.000 He was 25 years old.
00:05:07.000 And his wife was 15 years older than him.
00:05:09.000 He was married here for 25 years.
00:05:11.000 So I'm asking you a simple question now.
00:05:12.000 Before we put a label on anybody, we need to look at who they are.
00:05:16.000 We need to know information about them.
00:05:17.000 Yes?
00:05:18.000 The Prophet Muhammad, if he had these tendencies... 0.88
00:05:20.000 He had nine wives.
00:05:21.000 He was married to nine women.
00:05:22.000 Only one of them was Aisha who was six.
00:05:25.000 And she became an adult at the age of nine.
00:05:27.000 And that's the norm back then.
00:05:29.000 And even if you look at your great-great-grandparents, how old were they when they got married?
00:05:32.000 My grandmother was about 13, 14. 1.00
00:05:34.000 That was the norms of those societies.
00:05:35.000 So what I'm saying is that you cannot apply on what basis are you disagreeing?
00:05:40.000 That's what I want to know.
00:05:41.000 On what basis?
00:05:42.000 I just told you.
00:05:43.000 People are saying on what basis?
00:05:44.000 On what basis?
00:05:45.000 On what basis?
00:05:46.000 Yes, what basis?
00:05:47.000 I just told you I disagree with the nine-year-old and six-year-old and whatever.
00:05:50.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:05:51.000 What's the legal age you meet in this country?
00:05:53.000 What's the legal age you meet in this country?
00:05:55.000 And 16.
00:05:56.000 16?
00:05:57.000 Yeah.
00:05:58.000 Okay, no problem.
00:05:59.000 What's the legal age in France?
00:06:00.000 In your country.
00:06:01.000 What's my country?
00:06:02.000 I'm from Afghanistan, isn't it?
00:06:03.000 Thank you.
00:06:04.000 See?
00:06:05.000 Look.
00:06:06.000 I'm happy.
00:06:07.000 Don't go with Afghanis. 1.00
00:06:08.000 I'm happy to go with Afghanis. 1.00
00:06:09.000 Yeah, it's wrong, it's wrong.
00:06:10.000 I'm Kurdish from Turkey.
00:06:11.000 Oh, from Turkey.
00:06:12.000 In my 18.
00:06:13.000 It's 18.
00:06:14.000 It's 18.
00:06:15.000 But again, we can say it's maybe secular.
00:06:17.000 In France, it's 15.
00:06:18.000 In America, 250,000 girls were married underage.
00:06:21.000 Children, by the way.
00:06:22.000 In America.
00:06:23.000 Look, look, bro.
00:06:24.000 In certain cities, in states, at 12 years old, with parental consent, they can get married.
00:06:28.000 This is paedophilia. 0.83
00:06:29.000 It's American paedophiles. 0.99
00:06:31.000 Are they paedophiles? 1.00
00:06:32.000 Ask them.
00:06:33.000 Who?
00:06:34.000 Who?
00:06:35.000 Americans.
00:06:36.000 I don't know, mate.
00:06:37.000 What do you mean you don't know?
00:06:38.000 I don't know if Americans are paedophiles.
00:06:39.000 Okay, according to Turkey, Turkey age is 18. 0.93
00:06:40.000 How do I know they're paedophiles?
00:06:41.000 No, that's my argument.
00:06:42.000 If you're seeing this, the age, if the age makes them a paedophile, I'm seeing in my
00:06:45.000 country, Turkey.
00:06:46.000 No, mate.
00:06:47.000 You know what I'm talking about.
00:06:48.000 You're just trying to...
00:06:49.000 Hear me out.
00:06:50.000 Hear me out.
00:06:51.000 In my country, it's 18.
00:06:52.000 In the UK, it's 16. 0.89
00:06:53.000 According to my country, this is a paedophile country.
00:06:54.000 Why is it 16?
00:06:55.000 Why not 18?
00:06:56.000 Probably years.
00:06:57.000 No, but that's the argument is flawed.
00:07:01.000 If you're talking about age...
00:07:02.000 It's not flawed.
00:07:03.000 It is flawed.
00:07:04.000 Why 16?
00:07:05.000 Why 15?
00:07:06.000 Anyone around here asking me if it's wrong and everyone will tell me yes.
00:07:09.000 My friend, I'm telling you...
00:07:10.000 It's only you. 0.82
00:07:11.000 It's only you Muslim. 1.00
00:07:12.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0.89
00:07:13.000 We said...
00:07:14.000 The difference between this is the following.
00:07:15.000 In this country, the age limit is what, 16?
00:07:17.000 All I'm saying is, I disagree with you.
00:07:19.000 My friend, you need to understand what I'm telling you.
00:07:21.000 I'm saying the Prophet Muhammad... 0.92
00:07:23.000 The Prophet Muhammad... 0.66
00:07:24.000 Look, hear me out.
00:07:25.000 The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him... 0.81
00:07:26.000 Look, made a marriage contract at the age of six and waited three years.
00:07:30.000 Why did he wait three years?
00:07:31.000 For her to become an adult.
00:07:33.000 The issue you have is...
00:07:34.000 Exactly.
00:07:35.000 Because you're looking at a nine-year-old today and a nine-year-old back then.
00:07:38.000 That's the problem.
00:07:39.000 That's what they're saying.
00:07:40.000 That's what he's saying.
00:07:41.000 He's saying he waited three years.
00:07:42.000 He didn't.
00:07:43.000 Then what happened?
00:07:44.000 Why did he wait three years for them?
00:07:45.000 Okay, what was it for?
00:07:46.000 What does it say in three years?
00:07:47.000 Yes.
00:07:48.000 Where?
00:07:49.000 They didn't wait three years.
00:07:50.000 I'm telling you from our tradition, they wait three years. 1.00
00:07:52.000 Can you marry a fucking nine-year-old and then wait three years until she's fingered? 1.00
00:07:55.000 No, no, no. 1.00
00:07:56.000 This is what I'm saying to you.
00:07:57.000 Your great-grandparents, you will call them a paedophile because of the argument you're
00:08:00.000 using.
00:08:01.000 Because it's called the fallacy of presentism.
00:08:02.000 You're looking at today's age, a nine-year-old, there are 23-year-olds who play PlayStation
00:08:05.000 and Xbox at home.
00:08:06.000 I agree to disagree.
00:08:07.000 I agree to disagree.
00:08:08.000 If you want to educate, if you want to learn something...
00:08:10.000 Okay, that's fine.
00:08:11.000 If we want to learn something, my brother, is that...
00:08:13.000 No, you're learning something.
00:08:14.000 You're learning something.
00:08:15.000 We're both learning something.
00:08:16.000 I think you're learning something, yeah?
00:08:17.000 I learned something.
00:08:18.000 That's a cross, so you are a Christian. 0.99
00:08:19.000 I am alone.
00:08:20.000 So according to your belief, do you believe Jesus is God?
00:08:22.000 If you do, Jesus in the Old Testament...
00:08:24.000 I'm asking you questions again.
00:08:25.000 No, but why?
00:08:26.000 But why are you afraid of me saying you're a Christian?
00:08:28.000 I'm not afraid.
00:08:29.000 Okay.
00:08:30.000 You're asking me questions again.
00:08:31.000 Okay.
00:08:32.000 Okay.
00:08:33.000 Okay.
00:08:34.000 You don't need to because I can see a tattoo which shows you're a Christian.
00:08:36.000 There's nothing wrong with it.
00:08:38.000 We're actually close to you guys.
00:08:39.000 Allah says in the Quran, we're close to the people of the book.
00:08:41.000 Jesus is God, God of the Old Testament.
00:08:43.000 The book of Numbers says to Jesus, he's ordered to go to a specific nation, kill men, women,
00:08:48.000 children, and girls who are not touched by men to keep them for yourself.
00:08:52.000 And rabbis interpret this as girls as young as three years old. 0.89
00:08:55.000 Do you condemn that?
00:08:56.000 I see this on Facebook.
00:08:57.000 Do you condemn that?
00:08:58.000 I see this on Facebook where a guy approached 15 people in the High Park.
00:09:04.000 Yeah.
00:09:05.000 I'll go there.
00:09:06.000 And he was saying exactly the same thing I'm asking the question.
00:09:08.000 And we answer it.
00:09:09.000 I answered it.
00:09:10.000 And you done exactly what the preacher done.
00:09:13.000 Which is show their double standards.
00:09:15.000 Instead of down to the question, you kept on going back to 400 years ago.
00:09:20.000 1400 years ago.
00:09:21.000 And he started bringing in Jesus saying, oh yeah, he done this too.
00:09:23.000 But you have to be consistent.
00:09:24.000 Yeah.
00:09:25.000 As a Christian, you have to be consistent.
00:09:26.000 Trying to jump from your Mohammed to the Christian. 1.00
00:09:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:29.000 Well, you have to be consistent.
00:09:30.000 Look, if I do something.
00:09:31.000 Well, I think it's wrong.
00:09:32.000 Look, if I'm a thief, and I come and say, why are you stealing?
00:09:34.000 I'm a thief myself.
00:09:35.000 I think it's wrong when I'm a nine-year-old and a six-year-old.
00:09:37.000 At what age?
00:09:38.000 1400 years ago.
00:09:39.000 What I'm saying is...
00:09:40.000 No, no, no.
00:09:41.000 No, my friend.
00:09:42.000 This is what I'm asking you.
00:09:43.000 Is it categorically wrong or consequentially wrong?
00:09:45.000 In my eyes.
00:09:46.000 Okay.
00:09:47.000 In your eyes, your eyes are subjective.
00:09:48.000 And everyone else's eyes.
00:09:49.000 My friend, listen to you what I'm saying.
00:09:50.000 Me, I have a daughter.
00:09:51.000 My daughter is seven.
00:09:53.000 Nowhere in my religion it tells me that my daughter has to go get married at nine.
00:09:56.000 Yeah.
00:09:57.000 Because we look at the harm factor.
00:09:59.000 Is she going to be harmed?
00:10:00.000 There's many factors.
00:10:01.000 The age later in this country is 16.
00:10:03.000 But a girl who's 16 maybe is not sexually ready. 0.82
00:10:06.000 But the legal law says that she can have sex. 1.00
00:10:09.000 Do you know how many teenagers...
00:10:10.000 Do you know we have a pandemic of teenage pregnancies in the UK?
00:10:12.000 I don't care about it.
00:10:13.000 Which means you don't care? 0.97
00:10:14.000 There are teenage girls having sex. 0.71
00:10:15.000 But you have to be consistent.
00:10:18.000 If there's one thing you're questioning,
00:10:20.000 but if you look at your land you live in and yourself,
00:10:22.000 you're a Christian,
00:10:23.000 and there's things that says in your book that is worse than that,
00:10:25.000 they have to be consistent.
00:10:26.000 No, no, no, no.
00:10:27.000 All I'm saying is I disagree with what...
00:10:28.000 On what basis?
00:10:29.000 Look, why don't you...
00:10:30.000 I just told you.
00:10:31.000 Why don't you read it?
00:10:32.000 Have a good day.
00:10:33.000 Exactly, there you go.