Ali Dawah - November 18, 2019


THE FEMALE MIND & MALE SUICIDE - SPEAKERS CORNER

Topics
suicide in Alawi community suicide contemplation
Hosted by
Ali Dawah
Mentioned
Chloe Jordan Peterson Muhammad Hijab Kathy Newman Drogs
OFFICER RACIALLY I.D's MUSLIM - SPEAKERS CORNER REACTING TO MUSLIM LADY - FAKE INFLUENCERS - TIME TO UNFOLLOW

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Length

15 minutes

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Word count

3,494

Sentence count

469

Harmful content

Misogyny

38

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Toxicity

46

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Hate speech

22

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In this episode, we speak to a man who is passionate about suicide and mental health. He shares his personal story of his own experience with mental health, and how he has dealt with it in the past. We also talk about the dangers of toxic masculinity, and why we should teach men how to man up.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Salaamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
00:00:02.000 Okay, Asalaamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
00:00:04.000 We've got... What's your name?
00:00:06.000 How are you doing, Marcus? You alright?
00:00:07.000 My name's Ali.
00:00:08.000 Ali. Nice meeting you, man.
00:00:09.000 I just wanted to ask you some questions because he was talking about suicide, yeah?
00:00:13.000 And I overheard it, and obviously we had to encourage you to come here as well.
00:00:16.000 And hope you're comfortable as well.
00:00:18.000 It's just I want to learn for myself because, you see, my cousin, he hanged himself about six, seven years ago.
00:00:26.000 Sorry, sorry to hear that.
00:00:27.000 No, it's okay.
00:00:28.000 The thing is, his story is a bit more deeper.
00:00:31.000 I'm actually doing a whole documentary on it, yeah?
00:00:33.000 It was over a relationship. It was over a girl, yeah? 0.88
00:00:36.000 After he hanged himself, his friend, who was there, hanged himself two weeks later in a park.
00:00:43.000 My neighbor, my neighbor, hanged himself in the shop, yeah?
00:00:47.000 Within our community, the community that I come from, it's like a...
00:00:52.000 It's a sect of Islam called Alawis, yeah?
00:00:55.000 So, it's a specific sect. We have a high amount of suicide.
00:00:58.000 Yeah.
00:00:59.000 What I wanted to understand from your point of view is, obviously, if you're comfortable, we don't want to feel like, you know, but you said that you yourself tried to attempt.
00:01:06.000 Twice, yeah.
00:01:07.000 Yeah.
00:01:08.000 Can I ask personally, if you feel comfortable, why did you, what made you come to that point?
00:01:13.000 And how could you educate us if there's youngsters watching there?
00:01:15.000 Because there's mental illness is a big problem, yeah? 1.00
00:01:17.000 And we take it very seriously.
00:01:19.000 What do we deal with it?
00:01:20.000 How do we understand it?
00:01:21.000 And do you all take them?
00:01:23.000 First of all, I'm not really, like, wholly comfortable about talking about it.
00:01:26.000 Okay, no problem. We can talk about the stats maybe.
00:01:28.000 It's quite deep, but the reason I asked your friend was, I saw statistics somewhere, I'm not like an expert on it.
00:01:35.000 And, like, the biggest killer, the biggest reason for death under 45 is suicide.
00:01:42.000 Wow.
00:01:43.000 And so I think, like, why? Like, what is causing it?
00:01:46.000 Yeah.
00:01:47.000 I didn't have an opinion on it, I just, like, why?
00:01:49.000 What's your opinion? Why do you think it is?
00:01:52.000 Because it can't just be, like, relationships and stuff.
00:01:54.000 I mean, there must be, like, some, like, fabric in the masculinity which has been torn apart.
00:01:59.000 You didn't see that, like, a hundred years ago, maybe.
00:02:02.000 Like, we don't know, but you know what, personally, I'm speaking out of just guessing, yeah?
00:02:08.000 I haven't done the stats, I haven't looked at it, but I believe as men, as men ourselves, we are taught to be, like, we can't cry.
00:02:16.000 Do you think we're looking at that from the wrong angle?
00:02:18.000 Maybe it's because we need to be men. We need to teach men how to be men.
00:02:22.000 See, I believe...
00:02:23.000 Do you know what I mean? But man up, that's the phrase, right?
00:02:26.000 I have a problem with that.
00:02:27.000 Why don't we teach men how to man up? Like, why is masculinity...
00:02:30.000 I mean, crying is also part of a...
00:02:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, 100%.
00:02:34.000 Yes, 100%.
00:02:35.000 So, coming to terms with that being something in society, then it's totally okay?
00:02:39.000 I understand that. I understand that.
00:02:40.000 But the inclination is that masculinity in itself is something toxic.
00:02:44.000 That you shouldn't cry.
00:02:45.000 Toxic masculinity, right? 1.00
00:02:47.000 Masculinity in itself isn't bad, right?
00:02:49.000 It's not like some tyrannical power over women or something. 1.00
00:02:53.000 It's just being who you are.
00:02:54.000 And so we teach men, you can't even be a man. 0.80
00:02:56.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:02:57.000 And then...
00:02:58.000 I'm not an expert on anything.
00:03:00.000 No, no, no.
00:03:01.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:03:02.000 I'm just asking...
00:03:03.000 We'll have a discussion.
00:03:04.000 Sorry, the inclination is, when you support masculinity, 1.00
00:03:06.000 that you're just some kind of sexist pig. 0.99
00:03:08.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00
00:03:09.000 He just like...
00:03:10.000 People are looking at me right now, just like, why is he supporting masculinity?
00:03:13.000 Of course he can be.
00:03:14.000 But do you think, look, I have a problem with this phrase, man up.
00:03:17.000 The reason why I problem with this phrase, let me tell you why, yeah?
00:03:19.000 Because the thing is, we are taught that as a man, myself, yeah?
00:03:23.000 So for example, let's say I have a friend, Mohammed Hijab, he's quite big, yeah? 1.00
00:03:26.000 Like...
00:03:27.000 And something, I'll tell you something profound.
00:03:29.000 I met a brother about three weeks ago here.
00:03:32.000 He was built like a tank.
00:03:34.000 If you saw him on the street, I said to him, if I saw you on the street,
00:03:36.000 I'm taking a U-turn and I'm ducking out.
00:03:38.000 Yeah?
00:03:40.000 And he told me a story and I couldn't believe it.
00:03:42.000 A man built like a tank that looks dangerous, he said to me,
00:03:46.000 he said to me that he's divorced and he looks after his two children.
00:03:50.000 Now, you might say to myself, what's the big deal?
00:03:53.000 It's just the perception that we have of a man, when we see him on the street,
00:03:56.000 I would not in a million years think that he himself is divorced
00:04:00.000 and he is looking after his own two kids himself.
00:04:02.000 Literally what a mother should do. 1.00
00:04:04.000 Now, the issue that I have with the word man up is because,
00:04:07.000 as men, why can I not cry?
00:04:09.000 Like for example, why can I not have a moment where...
00:04:11.000 But that's the problem.
00:04:12.000 Men can cry.
00:04:13.000 But it's a false dichotomy.
00:04:15.000 Men can cry.
00:04:16.000 The problem is more general.
00:04:18.000 How do we make men...
00:04:19.000 I don't know if you're familiar with the works of Jordan Peterson.
00:04:22.000 I watch his stuff.
00:04:23.000 Yeah, so...
00:04:24.000 I watch his stuff recently.
00:04:25.000 He's got some brilliant stuff.
00:04:26.000 What's your subjective analysis of him?
00:04:27.000 Like...
00:04:28.000 No, he is...
00:04:29.000 I think he is very balanced.
00:04:31.000 He talks about the reality of life instead of living in this hunky-dory dream.
00:04:36.000 You know, when it comes...
00:04:37.000 I think what he clarifies quite eloquently is that there's nothing inherently wrong with
00:04:42.000 being a man.
00:04:43.000 Telling people how to be men is good.
00:04:45.000 And that's why he's got such a huge following.
00:04:46.000 Yes.
00:04:47.000 Because we've got this lost generation of youth.
00:04:49.000 Yes.
00:04:50.000 Drogs. 1.00
00:04:51.000 Pornography. 1.00
00:04:52.000 It's disgusting. 0.99
00:04:53.000 No, no, no. 0.85
00:04:54.000 And they see this person saying...
00:04:56.000 Making them understand how to be virtuous.
00:04:58.000 How to be conscientious.
00:04:59.000 Yes.
00:05:00.000 And I don't know if you're familiar with the Channel 4 interview with Cathy Newman.
00:05:04.000 Oh, yes.
00:05:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:06.000 He actually...
00:05:07.000 He got really bad.
00:05:08.000 Yeah.
00:05:09.000 I mean, that's just a metaphor for the clash.
00:05:11.000 But do you see?
00:05:12.000 Where I'm coming from is the following, yeah?
00:05:13.000 As men, I believe...
00:05:15.000 I believe personally...
00:05:16.000 If we even look at statistics, yeah?
00:05:18.000 Men tend to commit suicide more, yeah?
00:05:21.000 No true.
00:05:22.000 So the thing is...
00:05:23.000 I genuinely believe this.
00:05:24.000 We have, on the outer, externally, big man, big biceps, he's strong.
00:05:29.000 But nobody knows deep inside.
00:05:31.000 This is where...
00:05:32.000 I'll just quickly finish this point.
00:05:33.000 And when we look at women, we think... 1.00
00:05:35.000 Weak. 0.99
00:05:36.000 Timid. 1.00
00:05:37.000 If I do this to her, she's gonna die. 0.99
00:05:39.000 Like... 0.99
00:05:40.000 But personally, personally...
00:05:41.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:42.000 Personally, if you look, women are mentally more stronger than men. 1.00
00:05:45.000 Yeah.
00:05:46.000 Hands down.
00:05:47.000 Even when you go for a break...
00:05:48.000 When you go for a break-up in a relationship, I'll be honest with you.
00:05:52.000 That's why they say, when you go for a break-up in a relationship,
00:05:55.000 the men's first couple of weeks is,
00:05:57.000 yeah, but a man's gonna go move to some next girl. 1.00
00:06:00.000 And she's the one who's crying.
00:06:01.000 But in the long run, she gets over and the man ends up crying.
00:06:04.000 Why?
00:06:05.000 Why do men tend to commit suicide?
00:06:07.000 Why do they go down that route?
00:06:08.000 I personally believe, psychologically, mentally, we are weaker.
00:06:11.000 We are physically stronger.
00:06:13.000 Women are physically weaker, but I believe mentally they're stronger. 1.00
00:06:17.000 I understand that. 0.85
00:06:19.000 I mean, women are stronger, mentally. 1.00
00:06:21.000 I believe that.
00:06:22.000 They mature from a lot younger age than men do.
00:06:26.000 Yes, that's true.
00:06:27.000 They've got a lot more pressure on them.
00:06:29.000 They've got to maybe have a kid.
00:06:31.000 Maybe like, once you're in your late thirties and you haven't had a kid yet...
00:06:34.000 But do you think a man has more pressure as well?
00:06:35.000 Like, you have to provide for the family, you have to go out there...
00:06:37.000 There's different types of pressure.
00:06:38.000 But I don't agree with the whole idea that men... 0.54
00:06:42.000 We need to like, be strong.
00:06:44.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:06:45.000 But that's what society...
00:06:46.000 I don't think like that.
00:06:47.000 Like, nobody thinks like that.
00:06:48.000 But that's what they say.
00:06:49.000 That's what the feminists say. 1.00
00:06:50.000 The feminists say like... 1.00
00:06:53.000 Go on.
00:06:54.000 And that's another angle.
00:06:55.000 That's another angle is feminists have... 1.00
00:06:57.000 They're trying to make a man a woman. 1.00
00:06:59.000 Now, that's why you have these feminine men, etc. 1.00
00:07:02.000 They're destroying our nature.
00:07:04.000 Now, my nature doesn't mean...
00:07:05.000 For me to be a man doesn't mean I need to beat a woman up. 0.98
00:07:07.000 Or I have to go and punch people. 0.97
00:07:09.000 That doesn't... 1.00
00:07:10.000 You're a weak, you're a weak person. 0.98
00:07:11.000 Yeah, because that's not what manhood is. 0.99
00:07:12.000 Exactly.
00:07:13.000 That's not masculinity. 0.50
00:07:14.000 Exactly.
00:07:15.000 So, like an alpha male, yeah?
00:07:16.000 But the feminists, they try and make it out like that. 1.00
00:07:18.000 They try and make it out like... 0.99
00:07:19.000 Toxic masculinity is a disgusting term. 0.99
00:07:21.000 Imagine if I say toxic femininity. 1.00
00:07:23.000 It's just disgusting. 0.99
00:07:24.000 There's something wrong with being masculine, okay? 0.98
00:07:26.000 Masculinity isn't tyrannical control over women. 1.00
00:07:28.000 Exactly.
00:07:29.000 It's just being who I am as a gender.
00:07:30.000 Yes.
00:07:31.000 Right?
00:07:32.000 I'm not particularly...
00:07:33.000 I mean, you asked me to do this interview.
00:07:34.000 I'm not particularly...
00:07:35.000 I don't think about this all the time.
00:07:36.000 Learn to be.
00:07:37.000 We're having a discussion.
00:07:38.000 We're learning from each other.
00:07:39.000 You know?
00:07:40.000 I'm giving a perspective, right?
00:07:41.000 But look, I'll be honest.
00:07:42.000 If there's anyone...
00:07:43.000 Look, there's a lot of men in the audience.
00:07:44.000 If there's anything that you believe you can add to the table in, why do men tend to commit
00:07:48.000 suicide?
00:07:49.000 And I think, like I said before, man...
00:07:50.000 Why do men abuse women?
00:07:51.000 What?
00:07:52.000 Why do men abuse women? 0.99
00:07:53.000 It's sick. 0.89
00:07:54.000 Why do some women abuse men? 1.00
00:07:55.000 I know a lot of women that abuse men. 1.00
00:07:56.000 Yeah.
00:07:57.000 Yeah, true.
00:07:58.000 Everyone's always said that.
00:07:59.000 It's true, man.
00:08:00.000 I'm telling you. 1.00
00:08:01.000 Some of them are crazy. 0.99
00:08:02.000 Men against women is the biggest problem. 0.99
00:08:03.000 Okay.
00:08:04.000 Yes.
00:08:05.000 Because they're stronger.
00:08:06.000 They have the power to do the abuse.
00:08:08.000 No, but hold on a second.
00:08:09.000 But what's the mentality?
00:08:10.000 No, no, but one second.
00:08:11.000 The mentality. 0.99
00:08:12.000 The mentality to control women is sick. 0.98
00:08:13.000 No, but can I... 0.56
00:08:14.000 Okay.
00:08:15.000 What is the culture that allows that to happen?
00:08:17.000 Okay, Marcus.
00:08:18.000 Let me put it like this, yeah? 0.66
00:08:19.000 I think if women were stronger than men physically, they would abuse men more. 1.00
00:08:21.000 No, no, but one second.
00:08:22.000 What's your name?
00:08:23.000 You're assuming that men and women have exactly the same mindset, which isn't true.
00:08:26.000 Yeah, they don't, they don't.
00:08:27.000 Yeah, they don't.
00:08:28.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:08:29.000 But if men...
00:08:30.000 But you said that...
00:08:31.000 Let's have order, let's have order.
00:08:32.000 You've got to go finish, finish.
00:08:33.000 I think it's mostly about the power.
00:08:34.000 One second.
00:08:35.000 Sorry, sorry.
00:08:36.000 Okay, one second.
00:08:37.000 Can...
00:08:38.000 Okay, one second.
00:08:39.000 We know a man is stronger.
00:08:40.000 A man can beat up a woman, which is wrong, which is wrong.
00:08:41.000 Yeah, of course.
00:08:42.000 But can a woman verbal abuse? 1.00
00:08:44.000 Do you think...
00:08:45.000 Do you not think that is deeper?
00:08:46.000 So for example, a lot of women who go through abusing their relationships, if you look at it personally, 0.96
00:08:51.000 yeah, I know certain men who have been verbally abused so much to the point that the scars,
00:08:56.000 he would prefer to be punched in the face because that will heal in about two weeks time.
00:09:00.000 But how they're scarred internally, it has a longer lasting effect.
00:09:04.000 So when we talk about physical, hitting somebody physically, what causes more harm?
00:09:09.000 Punching someone in the face, I'm sure that will hurt, but psychologically dismantling them every single day.
00:09:16.000 So we need to understand the perspective. 0.98
00:09:17.000 That's the reason why we go back to, oh, he's strong, he can punch me.
00:09:21.000 Okay, that's wrong.
00:09:22.000 But then again, what about the venom that...
00:09:24.000 A woman can't miss me. 1.00
00:09:25.000 Please, madam.
00:09:26.000 I'm very capable of men.
00:09:27.000 Can you come a bit closer, please, madam?
00:09:28.000 I'm very capable of men.
00:09:29.000 Can you come a bit closer, please, madam?
00:09:30.000 I'm very capable of men.
00:09:31.000 Hi.
00:09:32.000 And hi, sister.
00:09:33.000 And what's your name?
00:09:34.000 Chloe.
00:09:35.000 Hi, sister Chloe.
00:09:36.000 Look, there's a bunch of men here, yeah?
00:09:37.000 And ladies, there's ladies. 1.00
00:09:38.000 Yes, yes, there's some sisters and ladies as well. 0.99
00:09:40.000 But what we're saying is, from your point of view, can you enlighten us?
00:09:43.000 Because we're men, we're not going to think like you.
00:09:44.000 We don't know what's going in your head, even do you know what's going in my head, yeah?
00:09:47.000 Can you enlighten us?
00:09:48.000 Do you believe, for example, physical abuse, obviously they're both bad, yeah?
00:09:53.000 But which one causes more harm in the long run?
00:09:57.000 Definitely mental.
00:09:58.000 Definitely.
00:09:59.000 100%.
00:10:00.000 Okay.
00:10:01.000 Who would you say is the main perpetrator of verbal abuse?
00:10:06.000 I don't like...
00:10:07.000 I think both.
00:10:08.000 Yeah?
00:10:09.000 I'm sorry, I don't think you can categorise.
00:10:10.000 You can't put people into categories.
00:10:11.000 Yeah.
00:10:12.000 Because you're talking, what you're saying, the kind of person who would be mentally abusive,
00:10:15.000 sorry.
00:10:16.000 Sorry.
00:10:17.000 So the kind of person who would be mentally abusive would be someone who could potentially
00:10:21.000 be a sociopath. 0.83
00:10:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:10:23.000 Or it could be someone who has mental issues themselves.
00:10:26.000 Yeah.
00:10:27.000 Or someone who's very insecure.
00:10:28.000 Yes.
00:10:29.000 And that can be men or women.
00:10:30.000 That can be, you know, it can be any sexual orientation.
00:10:33.000 Okay.
00:10:34.000 But you can still have those deep rooted issues that then you'll put onto someone else.
00:10:37.000 I personally have been in an abusive relationship.
00:10:38.000 Okay.
00:10:39.000 And not with him.
00:10:40.000 Okay.
00:10:41.000 Are you waving to him?
00:10:42.000 No, I'm not.
00:10:43.000 I'm not.
00:10:44.000 No.
00:10:45.000 And in the beginning it was mental and then towards the end slightly physical and that's
00:10:51.000 when I put a stand to it.
00:10:52.000 Okay.
00:10:53.000 Okay.
00:10:54.000 I actually withstood a lot of the mental abuse first, not realizing it.
00:10:57.000 Because it was kind of backhanded, didn't really notice, kind of below the belt.
00:11:00.000 Okay.
00:11:01.000 And then over time, that's when I started to realize, okay, that's not great.
00:11:04.000 But then once someone actually physically hits you.
00:11:06.000 Yeah.
00:11:07.000 That's it.
00:11:08.000 That's it.
00:11:09.000 For me that was it.
00:11:10.000 But I'm just saying that I think that some women will beat up men physically as well. 0.98
00:11:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:15.000 They can go for it.
00:11:16.000 So either way. 0.98
00:11:17.000 We know some crazy people out there. 0.98
00:11:18.000 Yes, there are very crazy people out there. 0.78
00:11:19.000 So I think that to put people into categories like that, oh, men can be more physically 0.71
00:11:24.000 abusive.
00:11:25.000 Women will be more mentally abusive. 1.00
00:11:26.000 I know why you're chatting about this now. 0.97
00:11:28.000 Yeah.
00:11:29.000 But I think that it goes both ways.
00:11:30.000 But I do get that women can be, I do agree with you. 0.70
00:11:33.000 A minute ago you were saying that women are more mentally strong. 0.91
00:11:36.000 I believe that.
00:11:37.000 100%.
00:11:38.000 If a man could give birth and survive it. 0.68
00:11:40.000 Oh, thank you very much.
00:11:41.000 Yeah.
00:11:42.000 So they're very strong, very strong willed.
00:11:44.000 But then again, you know, men can be strong too.
00:11:47.000 I don't know.
00:11:48.000 It's difficult too.
00:11:49.000 How does a woman, how do you deal with a breakup in a relationship? 1.00
00:11:53.000 So for example, I don't know, a man deals with it in certain different ways.
00:11:58.000 But how would you say a woman gets over it? 0.96
00:12:01.000 Because the statistics show, I'll be honest with you, a lot of the time, I think men might
00:12:04.000 be committing suicide. 0.91
00:12:05.000 Like my personal family members, it was over a relationship, you know?
00:12:09.000 You know?
00:12:10.000 And that might be the cause, but with women, what's the psychology behind it? 1.00
00:12:14.000 How do you guys deal with a breakup or something that happens major in your life?
00:12:18.000 You know?
00:12:19.000 Maybe if you can enlighten us.
00:12:20.000 Let's talk on personal experience or friends or family members.
00:12:23.000 Okay.
00:12:24.000 I've not had that happen.
00:12:25.000 I'm so sorry that's not happened to you.
00:12:26.000 I think that women would usually go try and look inward, you know, try and maybe search 1.00
00:12:31.000 deeper, go into their religion a little bit more.
00:12:33.000 But I also do think that women will move on a lot quicker than men would in terms of 0.79
00:12:38.000 on to the next.
00:12:39.000 Ah.
00:12:40.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:12:41.000 Like distraction is a huge thing.
00:12:42.000 Yes.
00:12:43.000 But then men could do that too.
00:12:44.000 I don't know.
00:12:45.000 Do you think, sister, you know what I was thinking to myself, yeah?
00:12:47.000 Because as men, we have to look masculine.
00:12:50.000 So crying to us is a weakness.
00:12:52.000 So society has made us feel like, oh, if you cry out, man out, man.
00:12:55.000 Man out, what's wrong with you?
00:12:56.000 Yeah.
00:12:57.000 Do you think, because sometimes, when I've been through certain problems in my life...
00:13:00.000 Marcus, thank you.
00:13:01.000 Are you going?
00:13:02.000 Okay.
00:13:03.000 Take it, Marcus.
00:13:04.000 I appreciate it.
00:13:05.000 You know, I was thinking to myself, certain situations that I've been in my life that
00:13:07.000 I went through a lot of struggles in.
00:13:08.000 And I have had moments where I'll say, and I'm not shy of it, I've had moments where
00:13:12.000 I've broken down and I've cried.
00:13:13.000 I've cried to my Lord.
00:13:14.000 I'm a Muslim.
00:13:15.000 I believe in God Almighty.
00:13:16.000 I've had moments where I have opened up to my Lord, even though my Lord knows what's
00:13:20.000 within me.
00:13:21.000 But I felt better.
00:13:22.000 When I, for example, had the moment where I was going through difficulties and I shed a few
00:13:26.000 tears, I felt better.
00:13:27.000 Do you think, as a female, because to you, nobody's going to come and say, oh, woman 1.00
00:13:31.000 stop crying.
00:13:32.000 Do you think that's a method and the way God has created us that you can just cry out
00:13:36.000 and scream and smash a few plates, flip the table over.
00:13:40.000 And do you think that's a way of you maybe just taking that anger out?
00:13:45.000 Just getting it out physically.
00:13:46.000 Yes.
00:13:47.000 And I think we have support from our friends as well.
00:13:49.000 As you said about that, your friend, as a male, your friend might say, oh man, what's
00:13:53.000 wrong with you?
00:13:54.000 Come on. 1.00
00:13:55.000 Stop being a pussy or whatever. 1.00
00:13:56.000 Exactly. 1.00
00:13:57.000 We share as well.
00:13:58.000 You know, we share with each other a lot more.
00:13:59.000 Exactly.
00:14:00.000 We probably talk to our mums a lot more.
00:14:01.000 Yes, we have more support.
00:14:02.000 That's probably why.
00:14:03.000 That's true.
00:14:04.000 That's true.
00:14:05.000 Because if a brother, like, before I came to Islam, I lived a bit of a, you know, rough
00:14:09.000 life.
00:14:10.000 If my friend came to me and said, I broke up crying.
00:14:12.000 Like, get the hell out of here.
00:14:15.000 Like, and that is making the situation worse.
00:14:17.000 Because if he's got nobody to talk to, if he cannot open up, if he cannot cry, then he's
00:14:22.000 going to build.
00:14:23.000 So what happens is, you think to yourself, I don't want, what I'm feeling, I don't want
00:14:28.000 to live it and I don't want to exist.
00:14:30.000 And maybe that's the reason why men take the option of committing suicide.
00:14:33.000 It's a sad reality, but it happens.
00:14:35.000 Anything else you want to add on?
00:14:36.000 No, not at all.
00:14:37.000 Thank you, sister.
00:14:38.000 I really appreciate, hope that, we really appreciate your input.
00:14:41.000 It's actually amazing.
00:14:42.000 Thank you very much, sister.
00:14:43.000 I think, guys, that was quite interesting and I think we all learnt a bit of that and,
00:14:48.000 yeah, so if there's anyone that's watching this personally, if you're black, white, green,
00:14:53.000 yellow, Muslim, not Muslim, wherever you may be, straight, gay, left, right, no problem, 0.99
00:14:58.000 up, down, wherever you are, if you're thinking of contemplating suicide, don't. 0.99
00:15:02.000 I think personally, if you're a man as well, speaking from man to man, I'll be honest
00:15:05.000 with you, there's times that I've cried.
00:15:07.000 I'll be honest with you, I'm not going to come here and act like I'm a big hard man.
00:15:10.000 There's times where I've broken down.
00:15:11.000 There's times where I needed someone to speak to.
00:15:14.000 So, it's very important for you to open up, if you need to cry, cry.
00:15:17.000 Cry like a man, there's nothing wrong with that. 1.00
00:15:19.000 Don't go down the route of thinking, okay, I need to take my life.
00:15:23.000 If you want somebody to talk to, we're here, we're here every Sunday.
00:15:26.000 If you want to talk to us, get in contact and taking your life is not the way.
00:15:32.000 I believe it's not the way.
00:15:33.000 I believe it's not the way.
00:15:34.000 And yeah, thank you very much, guys.
00:15:35.000 If there's any other input you would like to add, till next time.
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