Ali Dawah - THIS DEBATE WILL LEAVE YOU GOBSMACKED! Atheist & Muslim

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00:02:30.560 That's an argument from induction.

00:02:32.260 Exactly. One second. Even that needs a beginning.

00:02:34.780 Because we can ask the question, where did that multiverse, where did that universe come from?

00:02:38.820 I should say, where did God come from?

00:02:39.420 Okay, no, that's a different question. We're going to come to that.

00:02:42.180 Hamza, we're going to come to that.

00:02:43.300 I'm going to prove to you, I'm going to prove to you,

00:02:45.520 they say nothing from nothing the universe came from.

00:02:47.960 No, you can't prove that because...

00:02:49.800 Baba, is there a scientist that believes the universe came from nothing?

00:02:53.760 Yes.

00:02:54.420 Thank you. You said to me, show me a single scientist that believes zero equals one.

00:02:58.800 Did you not say that?

00:02:59.560 Oh, don't, am I hearing, what am I hearing?

00:03:01.640 I'm hearing yourself, Baba.

00:03:02.360 You're saying there's a scientist that believes that the world came from nothing,

00:03:05.420 or the universe came from nothing?

00:03:06.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:06.860 How is that equal to some academic paper proving that zero equals one?

00:03:10.560 SubhanAllah. Okay.

00:03:12.040 Okay, let me try again, yeah. Okay.

00:03:13.880 Now, zero equals one is the same as nothing made something.

00:03:20.080 Is that true or not?

00:03:21.260 Okay, did they...

00:03:21.800 Is that true or not, Hamza?

00:03:22.640 No, it's not the same.

00:03:23.240 Hamza, is that true or not?

00:03:23.880 Why is it not the same?

00:03:24.840 First, it's not...

00:03:25.460 Okay.

00:03:26.020 Why is it not the same?

00:03:26.760 Because you're talking about mathematics, right?

00:03:28.220 Irrelevant.

00:03:28.860 You're talking about mathematics?

00:03:29.560 Yes, I am.

00:03:30.220 And that doesn't apply to the real world?

00:03:31.280 No, no, no.

00:03:32.200 One second.

00:03:32.700 It doesn't work.

00:03:33.300 One second.

00:03:33.960 One second.

00:03:34.520 One second.

00:03:34.780 One second.

00:03:35.480 One second.

00:03:36.440 One second.

00:03:36.760 Use mathematics.

00:03:37.740 I have one coin and I have another coin.

00:03:40.820 How many coins?

00:03:41.700 Two coins.

00:03:42.100 You're talking about something, yeah?

00:03:42.740 One second.

00:03:43.280 I use mathematics in the real world.

00:03:45.000 Yes?

00:03:45.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:45.680 Mathematics.

00:03:46.040 I could have no coins.

00:03:46.760 I'd be like, one and one equals two.

00:03:48.460 Okay.

00:03:48.980 Coin, one and one equals?

00:03:50.500 Two, problem.

00:03:50.860 I'll say something.

00:03:51.240 Okay.

00:03:51.480 Now, you said to me, if you prove to me scientifically, that if zero is one, one second.

00:03:56.620 Nothing, something.

00:03:58.840 Nothing is what?

00:04:00.120 Zero.

00:04:00.760 Is nothing.

00:04:01.820 What's one?

00:04:02.660 Something.

00:04:03.280 One is something.

00:04:05.400 Okay, you literally just proved nothing, honestly.

00:04:07.760 I proved something.

00:04:09.020 You know what it is?

00:04:09.780 I proved something.

00:04:10.960 Something.

00:04:11.260 Because, because they are claiming, it came from nothing.

00:04:14.680 Can I just say something?

00:04:15.280 I don't, I don't.

00:04:16.380 Hamza, please.

00:04:16.980 Can I just say that?

00:04:17.500 Okay, you don't.

00:04:18.060 Good.

00:04:18.600 Yeah.

00:04:18.880 One second.

00:04:19.300 Stop there.

00:04:19.700 Stop there.

00:04:20.000 What was that?

00:04:20.520 Hamza, one second.

00:04:21.600 Wait, wait, one second.

00:04:22.680 Do you believe in God?

00:04:24.220 Okay.

00:04:25.000 Because, because, because, because, because I'm talking about something that you believe

00:04:27.100 already.

00:04:27.500 Come on, man.

00:04:28.160 My phone's, my phone's in.

00:04:29.200 I'm saying I don't reject God, but I don't know if he exists anymore.

00:04:32.760 Good.

00:04:33.000 Okay, let's go, let's go back to this point then.

00:04:34.300 I mean, it could be a potential, but no one knows either way.

00:04:36.740 Okay, okay.

00:04:36.960 I, I'm telling you, I know very certainly.

00:04:39.060 I do.

00:04:39.440 No, I know for a fact you don't.

00:04:40.500 Baba, you haven't even heard my argument.

00:04:41.580 How are you saying no?

00:04:42.060 No, I don't need to hear your argument.

00:04:43.220 Wow, subhanAllah. 0.95

00:04:44.500 You tell me your argument or not, I'm not going to believe.

00:04:46.480 Isn't that an ignorance?

00:04:47.320 I'm telling you for a fact. 0.91

00:04:48.360 You're jumping all over the place.

00:04:50.260 I swear to you, we're all over the place.

00:04:51.640 I'm saying, please, once again, I said to you, if you want, we can go and speak in private.

00:04:55.520 No, I don't mind.

00:04:56.160 Okay, if you don't mind, then please understand me.

00:04:58.700 Let's, both of us, put our egos to a side, our, whatever to a side.

00:05:02.020 Can I, I'm talking about you.

00:05:03.240 But can I, can I, but brother, I'm trying, but I'm trying to, you said to me, show me a

00:05:07.120 paper that the scientists say zero equals one.

00:05:09.960 I will accept this stamp.

00:05:10.820 I said, I said.

00:05:12.480 Can I just take that back?

00:05:13.060 Because apparently you won't let off this.

00:05:14.400 No, no, no, brother, don't.

00:05:15.160 No, no, no, no.

00:05:15.520 Why are you taking it back, Aki?

00:05:16.480 Why are you taking it back?

00:05:17.520 No, you can, you can, but why?

00:05:18.620 You're just giving something.

00:05:20.280 But I gave you the evidence.

00:05:21.920 Brother, brother, I gave you the evidence.

00:05:23.680 You said to me, Ali, prove to me.

00:05:25.760 You did.

00:05:26.500 Okay, let the, let the, you know what I'm going to do? 0.98

00:05:28.500 Brother, you know what I'm going to do?

00:05:29.560 As a Muslim, my job is to convey.

00:05:31.320 You take it or not take it, that's up to you, Aki.

00:05:33.100 I'll let the viewers decide.

00:05:34.680 I'm going to make it simple.

00:05:35.600 Because right now, I'm going to start to think you're avoiding the question.

00:05:38.060 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:05:39.060 You're not going to be here if I was avoiding anything.

00:05:39.780 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:05:40.780 Why would I come here if I was avoiding you?

00:05:41.480 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:05:44.020 Hamza, can something come from nothing, brother?

00:05:45.660 You're not letting me give my point.

00:05:48.480 You're not letting me give my point.

00:05:49.760 I'm waiting.

00:05:51.880 Listen.

00:05:52.860 Okay, can you just let me say my point?

00:05:55.380 No, cause and effect.

00:05:56.380 If you didn't go through there, it wouldn't come to you here.

00:05:58.300 Okay, listen.

00:05:59.120 Let me say my thing.

00:05:59.820 Okay.

00:06:01.220 That, you accept that the cause and effect,

00:06:03.860 or our understanding of cause and effect,

00:06:05.800 we've got that from induction.

00:06:07.400 Do you accept that?

00:06:08.440 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:06:10.220 Can't talk to a brick wall.

00:06:11.440 Listen.

00:06:11.980 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:06:13.080 Listen, you're here, yeah, to bring people to Islam, correct?

00:06:15.620 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:06:17.360 Simple.

00:06:18.000 So surely you'd give me the...

00:06:19.360 Hamza, you're playing word games now.

00:06:21.000 No, you're the one playing word games.

00:06:22.480 You're the one arguing against me using terms.

00:06:25.340 Hamza, can something come from nothing?

00:06:27.300 Can something come from nothing?

00:06:29.600 No.

00:06:30.720 Induction.

00:06:31.220 Mate, let's call it.

00:06:33.000 Let's get strawberry ice cream.

00:06:34.380 No problem.

00:06:34.740 Pull it where you want.

00:06:35.740 One second.

00:06:36.360 Can it come from nothing?

00:06:37.000 No matter how much you downplay it.

00:06:38.620 No matter how much you do it.

00:06:40.160 I can't argue.

00:06:40.920 Hamza, will it defuse this side?

00:06:42.860 We're going to carry on because I'm not going to go round, round, round, round.

00:06:45.220 Can something come from nothing?

00:06:46.100 He said no.

00:06:46.720 Can something create itself, Hamza?

00:06:49.020 Can something create itself?

00:06:50.420 Induction?

00:06:50.940 No.

00:06:51.560 It can't.

00:06:52.120 Good.

00:06:52.520 We're moving on.

00:06:54.100 Therefore, if something cannot come from nothing, if something cannot create itself,

00:06:58.740 I'll put this in that.

00:07:00.340 What's the only option, Hamza?

00:07:01.800 Induction.

00:07:03.000 So, it's induction.

00:07:04.280 Induction is the only option.

00:07:05.400 So, what does that say?

00:07:06.360 The way you've concluded...

00:07:07.020 What's the only option, Hamza?

00:07:07.820 Listen.

00:07:08.700 Hamza, what's the only option?

00:07:10.440 Okay, what I want you to understand is I'm not disputing these in our...

00:07:14.500 I'm not going to go there, Hamza. 1.00

00:07:15.780 I'm not going to go there.

00:07:16.380 Hamza, what's the conclusion, Hamza?

00:07:17.820 Why can't we just...

00:07:18.560 Hamza, I'm not.

00:07:19.120 We've been there five times.

00:07:20.580 Surely, you can see how stubborn you'll be.

00:07:22.040 Hamza, Hamza, who let the viewers decide?

00:07:24.160 Can...

00:07:24.520 It doesn't matter what the viewers think.

00:07:25.820 Hamza, Hamza.

00:07:26.500 1.7 billion people believe in Islam.

00:07:29.440 Another 2 billion believe in Christianity.

00:07:31.140 Hamza, that's irrelevant.

00:07:31.480 That's another point.

00:07:32.180 It doesn't matter what people believe.

00:07:33.080 Hamza, that's irrelevant.

00:07:34.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:07:35.060 You're the one talking about letting the viewers decide.

00:07:36.820 Hamza, Hamza.

00:07:37.460 It's not about the viewers, it's about you and me.

00:07:38.900 What's I'm going to do with Islam being 1.7 billion and Christianity 2 billion? 0.97

00:07:41.600 Because I'm pointing out that everyone has their own belief.

00:07:43.580 Hamza, irrelevant.

00:07:44.320 And everyone has their own understanding.

00:07:45.000 Hamza, irrelevant.

00:07:46.020 What does that mean?

00:07:47.240 If it cannot create itself and it cannot come from nothing, what's the only option, Hamza?

00:07:50.940 I don't know.

00:07:51.520 You tell me.

00:07:52.400 It's created.

00:07:54.640 And where did you get...

00:07:56.060 Do you have evidence to rebuke that?

00:07:57.300 Okay, how do you...

00:07:57.960 Irrelevant.

00:07:59.880 Irrelevant, Hamza. 1.00

00:08:01.480 Do you have evidence to rebuke that?

00:08:02.680 Can it come from...

00:08:03.600 Yes, I do, but you don't let me speak.

00:08:04.860 Go on.

00:08:05.620 Okay.

00:08:06.560 Okay, so basically, this is the cosmological argument, right?

00:08:09.100 That's why I'm trying to attack...

00:08:09.920 Call it where you want.

00:08:11.100 That's it.

00:08:11.420 It's just a rule.

00:08:11.920 No, no, no, no.

00:08:13.060 Why are you sticking to the name?

00:08:14.400 It's impossible to follow our conversation.

00:08:15.980 No, no, we're not even speaking.

00:08:16.920 We've been listening to you for the past.

00:08:17.840 So the premises are, they're like, what is it?

00:08:20.680 So that everything has the cause and effect, right?

00:08:22.460 Everything that begins to exist has a cause, right?

00:08:25.200 And then they say that the universe has a cause, right?

00:08:28.480 First, did the universe have a cause?

00:08:29.840 I don't know.

00:08:30.020 Okay, Big Bang, Miles, well, I don't know, okay?

00:08:32.200 But both of these, we don't know them for 100% certainty in anywhere in the whole world.

00:08:38.320 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:08:39.100 It's induction from our observations in this world, on Earth, even in this universe.

00:08:44.880 Are you 100% certain you're here?

00:08:47.220 Am I...

00:08:47.880 Are you?

00:08:49.300 That's not even relevant.

00:08:50.300 No, no, no.

00:08:50.700 Maybe you're in the Matrix.

00:08:51.600 Are you 100% certain you're here?

00:08:55.160 I don't know.

00:08:56.080 How can we talk?

00:08:57.240 The ego...

00:08:57.800 You don't know.

00:08:58.580 You don't know.

00:08:59.060 No, you can't be 100% certain.

00:08:59.560 This is what logic's come to.

00:09:00.640 Hamza, this is what logic's come to.

00:09:01.880 No, you can't be 100% certain about anything.

00:09:03.840 You don't know.

00:09:04.280 Okay, Hamza.

00:09:05.280 How do you know your mother's your mother?

00:09:06.940 How do I know my mother's my mother?

00:09:08.320 Only one second.

00:09:08.800 How do you know your mother's your mother?

00:09:10.160 Biological or just my guardian.

00:09:11.220 No, no, no.

00:09:11.620 Did you do a DNA test?

00:09:13.520 Are you saying biological or guardian?

00:09:15.460 Can we just go back to one statement you just said?

00:09:18.060 One statement you just said.

00:09:18.980 I don't know she's a mother.

00:09:19.540 You can't be 100% sure about what?

00:09:21.400 What did you just say?

00:09:22.300 Anything.

00:09:22.700 About everything.

00:09:23.100 About anything.

00:09:23.920 What's the point in talking?

00:09:24.800 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:25.300 What's the point in talking?

00:09:25.760 Maybe we're in a matrix.

00:09:27.140 Everyone who's watching, everyone here, he can't be 100% sure of anything.

00:09:31.760 So what's the point?

00:09:32.220 You can't be 100% sure of anything.

00:09:32.940 What's the point in talking?

00:09:34.340 What's the point?

00:09:34.860 Your jacket is yellow color.

00:09:37.320 It's to do with probability, right?

00:09:38.580 Is your jacket yellow color?

00:09:39.420 No, no, no.

00:09:39.800 No, no, no.

00:09:40.300 It's to do with basics.

00:09:41.560 It's to do with basics.

00:09:42.720 It's to do with basics.

00:09:43.800 You're going, you're overthinking.

00:09:45.020 You're going too deep into it.

00:09:46.100 And this is what happens.

00:09:46.940 Can I say something?

00:09:48.060 You know why people end up like this?

00:09:49.560 And I don't mean in a disrespectful way.

00:09:50.880 I'm trying to belittle the brother, yeah?

00:09:52.260 You know why this happens?

00:09:53.620 This is the problem.

00:09:54.760 It's when you be too clever with it.

00:09:55.880 One second, one second.

00:09:56.560 No, no, no.

00:09:57.560 Let's not one second.

00:09:58.380 What's the ad hominem going to do?

00:09:59.740 No, no, no.

00:10:00.180 We're not winning any argument with attacking my character.

00:10:03.320 Hamza, I don't get a cookie.

00:10:05.220 I don't know you.

00:10:05.740 Hamza, I don't get a cookie for being here.

00:10:07.420 Believe me, nobody gets me a cookie.

00:10:08.520 I'm not saying you do.

00:10:09.120 Okay, so I'm not into an argument.

00:10:10.280 I'm seeing.

00:10:11.060 Let me tell you guys why brothers like Hamza, without unintentionally, and may Allah guide

00:10:16.080 him, and everyone, let me tell you why this happens.

00:10:18.700 Let me tell you, yeah?

00:10:19.340 I'm going to give you guys a simple example and tell you exactly why this happens.

00:10:23.480 When you go home, Hamza, yeah?

00:10:25.260 And you see a plate smashed on the floor.

00:10:27.840 A plate is smashed on the floor.

00:10:28.760 You go to your kitchen and a plate is smashed on the floor.

00:10:31.340 Let's suppose you're married.

00:10:32.320 You have an angry wife.

00:10:33.480 There is a pair at home.

00:10:34.620 There was a minor earthquake and there was a window open.

00:10:37.220 When you see that plate smashed on the floor, what is the conclusion that you come up to?

00:10:40.640 What are you going to think?

00:10:42.300 You tell me.

00:10:42.760 What do you think?

00:10:43.160 Okay.

00:10:43.560 A person that has rationality and logic will think, wife got upset, smashed the plate.

00:10:50.040 The pet most likely tipped it over.

00:10:52.120 I heard on the news there was a little earthquake.

00:10:53.760 Maybe that's because of it.

00:10:54.680 The window was left open.

00:10:56.080 Good.

00:10:56.960 This is, would any person come to this conclusion?

00:10:59.840 Rationality with logic.

00:11:00.900 Yeah, sure.

00:11:01.420 Yeah, sure.

00:11:02.240 Would anyone, this is what happens.

00:11:04.160 When you start using, hold this for a second.

00:11:06.060 When you start using your brain over too much, you say, hold on a second.

00:11:10.640 Plate smashed on the floor.

00:11:12.740 Maybe it was a red dragon.

00:11:14.480 Maybe.

00:11:15.260 It wasn't a possibility.

00:11:16.420 Maybe.

00:11:16.960 You accept that.

00:11:17.700 One second.

00:11:18.080 You accept the probability here.

00:11:19.240 You said, no, it's not about probability.

00:11:20.240 Wow.

00:11:20.500 It is about probability.

00:11:21.440 One second.

00:11:21.840 Okay.

00:11:22.120 Is there a chance that a blue dragon flew through my house and tipped the plate over?

00:11:24.680 Yeah.

00:11:26.020 Okay, then.

00:11:26.800 A very, very.

00:11:27.760 Yeah, brother, thank you very much.

00:11:28.660 No, no, no.

00:11:29.140 One second.

00:11:29.700 Let me, one question before I go.

00:11:31.380 Let's end it with one question.

00:11:32.580 Let me ask you one question.

00:11:33.380 A blue dragon.

00:11:34.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:34.700 Let me ask you one question.

00:11:35.580 I'm not saying it with this logic.

00:11:37.460 A blue dragon going through my house.

00:11:38.720 Are you not understanding?

00:11:40.180 No, no, no.

00:11:40.580 You're not understanding.

00:11:41.420 My brother, one second.

00:11:42.320 You're not understanding something.

00:11:43.780 You are going.

00:11:44.660 One second.

00:11:45.580 You are sticking to that.

00:11:46.240 I didn't say a blue dragon went through your brain.

00:11:47.620 One second.

00:11:47.980 He said there's a possibility.

00:11:48.520 One second.

00:11:49.000 I said there's a possibility.

00:11:49.840 How can I say with certainty that a blue dragon did it?

00:11:52.160 One second.

00:11:52.960 Ali, let me say.

00:11:53.900 How can you say that?

00:11:54.280 I wasn't there.

00:11:55.000 Let me say one thing.

00:11:55.860 I wasn't there.

00:11:56.360 Let me say one thing.

00:11:57.780 It's not hard to understand.

00:11:58.320 Let me say one thing.

00:11:59.520 That's fine.

00:11:59.860 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.

00:12:02.000 Wait, where have I gone with the 0.01 second?

00:12:03.300 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.

00:12:05.020 The blue dragon.

00:12:05.460 I never said the blue dragon did.

00:12:06.940 I'm saying.

00:12:07.600 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.

00:12:08.640 There's a infinite number of possibilities.

00:12:10.560 Okay.

00:12:11.120 Look, Hamza. 0.76

00:12:11.900 One second, Musa, please.

00:12:12.880 Brother, there's a possibility of a blue dragon, yeah?

00:12:15.480 Sure.

00:12:15.920 Okay.

00:12:16.360 Is there a possibility that I'm a lamppost?

00:12:18.220 Yeah.

00:12:18.960 Good.

00:12:19.540 I just want to show people who are watching this, the reason why people go to these absurd claims.

00:12:25.300 It's not a mistake.

00:12:25.920 You know why?

00:12:26.300 You know why?

00:12:27.200 You know why?

00:12:27.500 Let me tell you why.

00:12:27.960 You know why?

00:12:28.260 Just because they just want, instead of seeing there might be a creator, they go to the most crazy stuff.

00:12:46.080 Hey, give me one.

00:12:50.000 Thanks, honey.

00:12:51.520 Subscribe.

00:12:52.880 Woohoo.

00:12:58.260 Bye.

00:12:58.960 Chim chum chum chum. 0.99

00:12:59.040 Wanna see?

00:12:59.080 I'm not.

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Ali Dawah - April 25, 2017

THIS DEBATE WILL LEAVE YOU GOBSMACKED! Atheist & Muslim

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