Ali Dawah - April 25, 2017


THIS DEBATE WILL LEAVE YOU GOBSMACKED! Atheist & Muslim


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

Words per Minute

188.4327

Word Count

2,538

Sentence Count

369

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In this episode, we have our first guest, Hamza, who is a scientist who believes that the universe came from nothing and that zero equals one. Listen to this episode and decide for yourself whether or not this is true or not.


Transcript

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00:02:30.560 That's an argument from induction.
00:02:32.260 Exactly. One second. Even that needs a beginning.
00:02:34.780 Because we can ask the question, where did that multiverse, where did that universe come from?
00:02:38.820 I should say, where did God come from?
00:02:39.420 Okay, no, that's a different question. We're going to come to that.
00:02:42.180 Hamza, we're going to come to that.
00:02:43.300 I'm going to prove to you, I'm going to prove to you,
00:02:45.520 they say nothing from nothing the universe came from.
00:02:47.960 No, you can't prove that because...
00:02:49.800 Baba, is there a scientist that believes the universe came from nothing?
00:02:53.760 Yes.
00:02:54.420 Thank you. You said to me, show me a single scientist that believes zero equals one.
00:02:58.800 Did you not say that?
00:02:59.560 Oh, don't, am I hearing, what am I hearing?
00:03:01.640 I'm hearing yourself, Baba.
00:03:02.360 You're saying there's a scientist that believes that the world came from nothing,
00:03:05.420 or the universe came from nothing?
00:03:06.340 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:06.860 How is that equal to some academic paper proving that zero equals one?
00:03:10.560 SubhanAllah. Okay.
00:03:12.040 Okay, let me try again, yeah. Okay.
00:03:13.880 Now, zero equals one is the same as nothing made something.
00:03:20.080 Is that true or not?
00:03:21.260 Okay, did they...
00:03:21.800 Is that true or not, Hamza?
00:03:22.640 No, it's not the same.
00:03:23.240 Hamza, is that true or not?
00:03:23.880 Why is it not the same?
00:03:24.840 First, it's not...
00:03:25.460 Okay.
00:03:26.020 Why is it not the same?
00:03:26.760 Because you're talking about mathematics, right?
00:03:28.220 Irrelevant.
00:03:28.860 You're talking about mathematics?
00:03:29.560 Yes, I am.
00:03:30.220 And that doesn't apply to the real world?
00:03:31.280 No, no, no.
00:03:32.200 One second.
00:03:32.700 It doesn't work.
00:03:33.300 One second.
00:03:33.960 One second.
00:03:34.520 One second.
00:03:34.780 One second.
00:03:35.480 One second.
00:03:36.440 One second.
00:03:36.760 Use mathematics.
00:03:37.740 I have one coin and I have another coin.
00:03:40.820 How many coins?
00:03:41.700 Two coins.
00:03:42.100 You're talking about something, yeah?
00:03:42.740 One second.
00:03:43.280 I use mathematics in the real world.
00:03:45.000 Yes?
00:03:45.460 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:45.680 Mathematics.
00:03:46.040 I could have no coins.
00:03:46.760 I'd be like, one and one equals two.
00:03:48.460 Okay.
00:03:48.980 Coin, one and one equals?
00:03:50.500 Two, problem.
00:03:50.860 I'll say something.
00:03:51.240 Okay.
00:03:51.480 Now, you said to me, if you prove to me scientifically, that if zero is one, one second.
00:03:56.620 Nothing, something.
00:03:58.840 Nothing is what?
00:04:00.120 Zero.
00:04:00.760 Is nothing.
00:04:01.820 What's one?
00:04:02.660 Something.
00:04:03.280 One is something.
00:04:05.400 Okay, you literally just proved nothing, honestly.
00:04:07.760 I proved something.
00:04:09.020 You know what it is?
00:04:09.780 I proved something.
00:04:10.960 Something.
00:04:11.260 Because, because they are claiming, it came from nothing.
00:04:14.680 Can I just say something?
00:04:15.280 I don't, I don't.
00:04:16.380 Hamza, please.
00:04:16.980 Can I just say that?
00:04:17.500 Okay, you don't.
00:04:18.060 Good.
00:04:18.600 Yeah.
00:04:18.880 One second.
00:04:19.300 Stop there.
00:04:19.700 Stop there.
00:04:20.000 What was that?
00:04:20.520 Hamza, one second.
00:04:21.600 Wait, wait, one second.
00:04:22.680 Do you believe in God?
00:04:24.220 Okay.
00:04:25.000 Because, because, because, because, because I'm talking about something that you believe
00:04:27.100 already.
00:04:27.500 Come on, man.
00:04:28.160 My phone's, my phone's in.
00:04:29.200 I'm saying I don't reject God, but I don't know if he exists anymore.
00:04:32.760 Good.
00:04:33.000 Okay, let's go, let's go back to this point then.
00:04:34.300 I mean, it could be a potential, but no one knows either way.
00:04:36.740 Okay, okay.
00:04:36.960 I, I'm telling you, I know very certainly.
00:04:39.060 I do.
00:04:39.440 No, I know for a fact you don't.
00:04:40.500 Baba, you haven't even heard my argument.
00:04:41.580 How are you saying no?
00:04:42.060 No, I don't need to hear your argument.
00:04:43.220 Wow, subhanAllah.
00:04:44.500 You tell me your argument or not, I'm not going to believe.
00:04:46.480 Isn't that an ignorance?
00:04:47.320 I'm telling you for a fact.
00:04:48.360 You're jumping all over the place.
00:04:50.260 I swear to you, we're all over the place.
00:04:51.640 I'm saying, please, once again, I said to you, if you want, we can go and speak in private.
00:04:55.520 No, I don't mind.
00:04:56.160 Okay, if you don't mind, then please understand me.
00:04:58.700 Let's, both of us, put our egos to a side, our, whatever to a side.
00:05:02.020 Can I, I'm talking about you.
00:05:03.240 But can I, can I, but brother, I'm trying, but I'm trying to, you said to me, show me a
00:05:07.120 paper that the scientists say zero equals one.
00:05:09.960 I will accept this stamp.
00:05:10.820 I said, I said.
00:05:12.480 Can I just take that back?
00:05:13.060 Because apparently you won't let off this.
00:05:14.400 No, no, no, brother, don't.
00:05:15.160 No, no, no, no.
00:05:15.520 Why are you taking it back, Aki?
00:05:16.480 Why are you taking it back?
00:05:17.520 No, you can, you can, but why?
00:05:18.620 You're just giving something.
00:05:20.280 But I gave you the evidence.
00:05:21.920 Brother, brother, I gave you the evidence.
00:05:23.680 You said to me, Ali, prove to me.
00:05:25.760 You did.
00:05:26.500 Okay, let the, let the, you know what I'm going to do?
00:05:28.500 Brother, you know what I'm going to do?
00:05:29.560 As a Muslim, my job is to convey.
00:05:31.320 You take it or not take it, that's up to you, Aki.
00:05:33.100 I'll let the viewers decide.
00:05:34.680 I'm going to make it simple.
00:05:35.600 Because right now, I'm going to start to think you're avoiding the question.
00:05:38.060 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:05:39.060 You're not going to be here if I was avoiding anything.
00:05:39.780 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:05:40.780 Why would I come here if I was avoiding you?
00:05:41.480 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:05:44.020 Hamza, can something come from nothing, brother?
00:05:45.660 You're not letting me give my point.
00:05:48.480 You're not letting me give my point.
00:05:49.760 I'm waiting.
00:05:51.880 Listen.
00:05:52.860 Okay, can you just let me say my point?
00:05:55.380 No, cause and effect.
00:05:56.380 If you didn't go through there, it wouldn't come to you here.
00:05:58.300 Okay, listen.
00:05:59.120 Let me say my thing.
00:05:59.820 Okay.
00:06:01.220 That, you accept that the cause and effect,
00:06:03.860 or our understanding of cause and effect,
00:06:05.800 we've got that from induction.
00:06:07.400 Do you accept that?
00:06:08.440 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:06:10.220 Can't talk to a brick wall.
00:06:11.440 Listen.
00:06:11.980 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:06:13.080 Listen, you're here, yeah, to bring people to Islam, correct?
00:06:15.620 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:06:17.360 Simple.
00:06:18.000 So surely you'd give me the...
00:06:19.360 Hamza, you're playing word games now.
00:06:21.000 No, you're the one playing word games.
00:06:22.480 You're the one arguing against me using terms.
00:06:25.340 Hamza, can something come from nothing?
00:06:27.300 Can something come from nothing?
00:06:29.600 No.
00:06:30.720 Induction.
00:06:31.220 Mate, let's call it.
00:06:33.000 Let's get strawberry ice cream.
00:06:34.380 No problem.
00:06:34.740 Pull it where you want.
00:06:35.740 One second.
00:06:36.360 Can it come from nothing?
00:06:37.000 No matter how much you downplay it.
00:06:38.620 No matter how much you do it.
00:06:40.160 I can't argue.
00:06:40.920 Hamza, will it defuse this side?
00:06:42.860 We're going to carry on because I'm not going to go round, round, round, round.
00:06:45.220 Can something come from nothing?
00:06:46.100 He said no.
00:06:46.720 Can something create itself, Hamza?
00:06:49.020 Can something create itself?
00:06:50.420 Induction?
00:06:50.940 No.
00:06:51.560 It can't.
00:06:52.120 Good.
00:06:52.520 We're moving on.
00:06:54.100 Therefore, if something cannot come from nothing, if something cannot create itself,
00:06:58.740 I'll put this in that.
00:07:00.340 What's the only option, Hamza?
00:07:01.800 Induction.
00:07:03.000 So, it's induction.
00:07:04.280 Induction is the only option.
00:07:05.400 So, what does that say?
00:07:06.360 The way you've concluded...
00:07:07.020 What's the only option, Hamza?
00:07:07.820 Listen.
00:07:08.700 Hamza, what's the only option?
00:07:10.440 Okay, what I want you to understand is I'm not disputing these in our...
00:07:14.500 I'm not going to go there, Hamza.
00:07:15.780 I'm not going to go there.
00:07:16.380 Hamza, what's the conclusion, Hamza?
00:07:17.820 Why can't we just...
00:07:18.560 Hamza, I'm not.
00:07:19.120 We've been there five times.
00:07:20.580 Surely, you can see how stubborn you'll be.
00:07:22.040 Hamza, Hamza, who let the viewers decide?
00:07:24.160 Can...
00:07:24.520 It doesn't matter what the viewers think.
00:07:25.820 Hamza, Hamza.
00:07:26.500 1.7 billion people believe in Islam.
00:07:29.440 Another 2 billion believe in Christianity.
00:07:31.140 Hamza, that's irrelevant.
00:07:31.480 That's another point.
00:07:32.180 It doesn't matter what people believe.
00:07:33.080 Hamza, that's irrelevant.
00:07:34.000 We'll talk about that later.
00:07:35.060 You're the one talking about letting the viewers decide.
00:07:36.820 Hamza, Hamza.
00:07:37.460 It's not about the viewers, it's about you and me.
00:07:38.900 What's I'm going to do with Islam being 1.7 billion and Christianity 2 billion?
00:07:41.600 Because I'm pointing out that everyone has their own belief.
00:07:43.580 Hamza, irrelevant.
00:07:44.320 And everyone has their own understanding.
00:07:45.000 Hamza, irrelevant.
00:07:46.020 What does that mean?
00:07:47.240 If it cannot create itself and it cannot come from nothing, what's the only option, Hamza?
00:07:50.940 I don't know.
00:07:51.520 You tell me.
00:07:52.400 It's created.
00:07:54.640 And where did you get...
00:07:56.060 Do you have evidence to rebuke that?
00:07:57.300 Okay, how do you...
00:07:57.960 Irrelevant.
00:07:59.880 Irrelevant, Hamza.
00:08:01.480 Do you have evidence to rebuke that?
00:08:02.680 Can it come from...
00:08:03.600 Yes, I do, but you don't let me speak.
00:08:04.860 Go on.
00:08:05.620 Okay.
00:08:06.560 Okay, so basically, this is the cosmological argument, right?
00:08:09.100 That's why I'm trying to attack...
00:08:09.920 Call it where you want.
00:08:11.100 That's it.
00:08:11.420 It's just a rule.
00:08:11.920 No, no, no, no.
00:08:13.060 Why are you sticking to the name?
00:08:14.400 It's impossible to follow our conversation.
00:08:15.980 No, no, we're not even speaking.
00:08:16.920 We've been listening to you for the past.
00:08:17.840 So the premises are, they're like, what is it?
00:08:20.680 So that everything has the cause and effect, right?
00:08:22.460 Everything that begins to exist has a cause, right?
00:08:25.200 And then they say that the universe has a cause, right?
00:08:28.480 First, did the universe have a cause?
00:08:29.840 I don't know.
00:08:30.020 Okay, Big Bang, Miles, well, I don't know, okay?
00:08:32.200 But both of these, we don't know them for 100% certainty in anywhere in the whole world.
00:08:38.320 Do you see what I'm saying?
00:08:39.100 It's induction from our observations in this world, on Earth, even in this universe.
00:08:44.880 Are you 100% certain you're here?
00:08:47.220 Am I...
00:08:47.880 Are you?
00:08:49.300 That's not even relevant.
00:08:50.300 No, no, no.
00:08:50.700 Maybe you're in the Matrix.
00:08:51.600 Are you 100% certain you're here?
00:08:55.160 I don't know.
00:08:56.080 How can we talk?
00:08:57.240 The ego...
00:08:57.800 You don't know.
00:08:58.580 You don't know.
00:08:59.060 No, you can't be 100% certain.
00:08:59.560 This is what logic's come to.
00:09:00.640 Hamza, this is what logic's come to.
00:09:01.880 No, you can't be 100% certain about anything.
00:09:03.840 You don't know.
00:09:04.280 Okay, Hamza.
00:09:05.280 How do you know your mother's your mother?
00:09:06.940 How do I know my mother's my mother?
00:09:08.320 Only one second.
00:09:08.800 How do you know your mother's your mother?
00:09:10.160 Biological or just my guardian.
00:09:11.220 No, no, no.
00:09:11.620 Did you do a DNA test?
00:09:13.520 Are you saying biological or guardian?
00:09:15.460 Can we just go back to one statement you just said?
00:09:18.060 One statement you just said.
00:09:18.980 I don't know she's a mother.
00:09:19.540 You can't be 100% sure about what?
00:09:21.400 What did you just say?
00:09:22.300 Anything.
00:09:22.700 About everything.
00:09:23.100 About anything.
00:09:23.920 What's the point in talking?
00:09:24.800 Yeah, exactly.
00:09:25.300 What's the point in talking?
00:09:25.760 Maybe we're in a matrix.
00:09:27.140 Everyone who's watching, everyone here, he can't be 100% sure of anything.
00:09:31.760 So what's the point?
00:09:32.220 You can't be 100% sure of anything.
00:09:32.940 What's the point in talking?
00:09:34.340 What's the point?
00:09:34.860 Your jacket is yellow color.
00:09:37.320 It's to do with probability, right?
00:09:38.580 Is your jacket yellow color?
00:09:39.420 No, no, no.
00:09:39.800 No, no, no.
00:09:40.300 It's to do with basics.
00:09:41.560 It's to do with basics.
00:09:42.720 It's to do with basics.
00:09:43.800 You're going, you're overthinking.
00:09:45.020 You're going too deep into it.
00:09:46.100 And this is what happens.
00:09:46.940 Can I say something?
00:09:48.060 You know why people end up like this?
00:09:49.560 And I don't mean in a disrespectful way.
00:09:50.880 I'm trying to belittle the brother, yeah?
00:09:52.260 You know why this happens?
00:09:53.620 This is the problem.
00:09:54.760 It's when you be too clever with it.
00:09:55.880 One second, one second.
00:09:56.560 No, no, no.
00:09:57.560 Let's not one second.
00:09:58.380 What's the ad hominem going to do?
00:09:59.740 No, no, no.
00:10:00.180 We're not winning any argument with attacking my character.
00:10:03.320 Hamza, I don't get a cookie.
00:10:05.220 I don't know you.
00:10:05.740 Hamza, I don't get a cookie for being here.
00:10:07.420 Believe me, nobody gets me a cookie.
00:10:08.520 I'm not saying you do.
00:10:09.120 Okay, so I'm not into an argument.
00:10:10.280 I'm seeing.
00:10:11.060 Let me tell you guys why brothers like Hamza, without unintentionally, and may Allah guide
00:10:16.080 him, and everyone, let me tell you why this happens.
00:10:18.700 Let me tell you, yeah?
00:10:19.340 I'm going to give you guys a simple example and tell you exactly why this happens.
00:10:23.480 When you go home, Hamza, yeah?
00:10:25.260 And you see a plate smashed on the floor.
00:10:27.840 A plate is smashed on the floor.
00:10:28.760 You go to your kitchen and a plate is smashed on the floor.
00:10:31.340 Let's suppose you're married.
00:10:32.320 You have an angry wife.
00:10:33.480 There is a pair at home.
00:10:34.620 There was a minor earthquake and there was a window open.
00:10:37.220 When you see that plate smashed on the floor, what is the conclusion that you come up to?
00:10:40.640 What are you going to think?
00:10:42.300 You tell me.
00:10:42.760 What do you think?
00:10:43.160 Okay.
00:10:43.560 A person that has rationality and logic will think, wife got upset, smashed the plate.
00:10:50.040 The pet most likely tipped it over.
00:10:52.120 I heard on the news there was a little earthquake.
00:10:53.760 Maybe that's because of it.
00:10:54.680 The window was left open.
00:10:56.080 Good.
00:10:56.960 This is, would any person come to this conclusion?
00:10:59.840 Rationality with logic.
00:11:00.900 Yeah, sure.
00:11:01.420 Yeah, sure.
00:11:02.240 Would anyone, this is what happens.
00:11:04.160 When you start using, hold this for a second.
00:11:06.060 When you start using your brain over too much, you say, hold on a second.
00:11:10.640 Plate smashed on the floor.
00:11:12.740 Maybe it was a red dragon.
00:11:14.480 Maybe.
00:11:15.260 It wasn't a possibility.
00:11:16.420 Maybe.
00:11:16.960 You accept that.
00:11:17.700 One second.
00:11:18.080 You accept the probability here.
00:11:19.240 You said, no, it's not about probability.
00:11:20.240 Wow.
00:11:20.500 It is about probability.
00:11:21.440 One second.
00:11:21.840 Okay.
00:11:22.120 Is there a chance that a blue dragon flew through my house and tipped the plate over?
00:11:24.680 Yeah.
00:11:26.020 Okay, then.
00:11:26.800 A very, very.
00:11:27.760 Yeah, brother, thank you very much.
00:11:28.660 No, no, no.
00:11:29.140 One second.
00:11:29.700 Let me, one question before I go.
00:11:31.380 Let's end it with one question.
00:11:32.580 Let me ask you one question.
00:11:33.380 A blue dragon.
00:11:34.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:11:34.700 Let me ask you one question.
00:11:35.580 I'm not saying it with this logic.
00:11:37.460 A blue dragon going through my house.
00:11:38.720 Are you not understanding?
00:11:40.180 No, no, no.
00:11:40.580 You're not understanding.
00:11:41.420 My brother, one second.
00:11:42.320 You're not understanding something.
00:11:43.780 You are going.
00:11:44.660 One second.
00:11:45.580 You are sticking to that.
00:11:46.240 I didn't say a blue dragon went through your brain.
00:11:47.620 One second.
00:11:47.980 He said there's a possibility.
00:11:48.520 One second.
00:11:49.000 I said there's a possibility.
00:11:49.840 How can I say with certainty that a blue dragon did it?
00:11:52.160 One second.
00:11:52.960 Ali, let me say.
00:11:53.900 How can you say that?
00:11:54.280 I wasn't there.
00:11:55.000 Let me say one thing.
00:11:55.860 I wasn't there.
00:11:56.360 Let me say one thing.
00:11:57.780 It's not hard to understand.
00:11:58.320 Let me say one thing.
00:11:59.520 That's fine.
00:11:59.860 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.
00:12:02.000 Wait, where have I gone with the 0.01 second?
00:12:03.300 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.
00:12:05.020 The blue dragon.
00:12:05.460 I never said the blue dragon did.
00:12:06.940 I'm saying.
00:12:07.600 If you want to live your life, that's no problem.
00:12:08.640 There's a infinite number of possibilities.
00:12:10.560 Okay.
00:12:11.120 Look, Hamza.
00:12:11.900 One second, Musa, please.
00:12:12.880 Brother, there's a possibility of a blue dragon, yeah?
00:12:15.480 Sure.
00:12:15.920 Okay.
00:12:16.360 Is there a possibility that I'm a lamppost?
00:12:18.220 Yeah.
00:12:18.960 Good.
00:12:19.540 I just want to show people who are watching this, the reason why people go to these absurd claims.
00:12:25.300 It's not a mistake.
00:12:25.920 You know why?
00:12:26.300 You know why?
00:12:27.200 You know why?
00:12:27.500 Let me tell you why.
00:12:27.960 You know why?
00:12:28.260 Just because they just want, instead of seeing there might be a creator, they go to the most crazy stuff.
00:12:46.080 Hey, give me one.
00:12:50.000 Thanks, honey.
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00:12:52.880 Woohoo.
00:12:58.260 Bye.
00:12:58.960 Chim chum chum chum.
00:12:59.040 Wanna see?
00:12:59.080 I'm not.
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