Ali Dawah - September 07, 2024


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Richard Dawkins and Piers Morgan have a heated debate about the origin of the universe and the role of God in our understanding of the world, and whether or not there was a God before the Big Bang. This is an interesting debate, with a fascinating twist at the end.

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00:00:00.000 But doesn't code have to have a coder?
00:00:05.300 No, of course it doesn't.
00:00:06.760 Okay, that doesn't make any sense.
00:00:12.560 Just imagine the people back in the day
00:00:14.420 when they would have to travel certain distances
00:00:16.340 for months or even years.
00:00:18.160 What is one thing that they would carry with them?
00:00:20.640 The Quran.
00:00:21.680 Why?
00:00:22.280 Because they did not have it on their mobile devices
00:00:24.280 or their gadgets.
00:00:25.440 Brothers and sisters,
00:00:26.520 imagine you have a app,
00:00:28.080 the Qurani app,
00:00:28.760 which not only shows you how much rewards you get,
00:00:32.000 but reminds you to read the Quran,
00:00:34.600 gives you reminders.
00:00:35.700 Download the Qurani app now
00:00:36.780 and let it testify for you on your Qiyamah
00:00:39.460 that you read it wherever you was.
00:00:42.820 As-salamu alaykum.
00:00:44.060 Welcome to this reaction video.
00:00:45.820 We're going to be watching Piers Morgan and Dawkins.
00:00:48.840 It's going to be interesting.
00:00:50.240 What do you think of this, Ali?
00:00:51.380 I'm excited to see the cultural Christian atheist,
00:00:53.940 see what he has to bring.
00:00:55.220 And is he going to defeat Piers Morgan?
00:00:56.520 Because he's more senior in knowledge.
00:00:58.240 The Clash of Titans.
00:00:59.840 When scientists and philosophers reason from evidence,
00:01:02.380 they typically use a method of reasoning
00:01:03.940 that has a technical name.
00:01:05.340 It's called inferring to the best explanation.
00:01:07.780 Where the best explanation is one
00:01:09.300 where you're invoking a cause
00:01:11.720 which has the kind of powers that would be required
00:01:14.160 to explain the phenomenon of interest.
00:01:16.720 And you correctly pointed out in your conversation with him
00:01:20.260 that when you get back to that,
00:01:22.080 what physicists often call the singularity,
00:01:24.720 the point where matter, space, time, and energy
00:01:26.600 begin to exist,
00:01:28.400 the materialist is really up against a huge conundrum.
00:01:31.360 Because prior to the origin of matter,
00:01:34.520 there is no matter to do the causing.
00:01:36.900 That's what we mean by the origin of matter.
00:01:38.680 That's where it starts.
00:01:39.460 And so if you want to invoke a cause
00:01:42.500 which is sufficient to explain the origin of matter,
00:01:45.440 you can't invoke matter.
00:01:47.100 You see, Richard Dawkins,
00:01:48.160 this is the nub of, I think,
00:01:50.280 my whole issue with your position on this.
00:01:52.740 And you can respond, obviously,
00:01:53.880 to what you just heard in a moment.
00:01:55.780 But when you go back to the very start,
00:01:59.420 what is there before that?
00:02:01.340 And that, I think I asked you last time,
00:02:03.480 and Professor Meyer brought that up again
00:02:06.180 as being the flaw in your position,
00:02:08.560 which is, what is there before it starts?
00:02:12.640 What is nothing?
00:02:14.120 This is a question for a physicist, not a biologist.
00:02:16.820 But what I would answer to Professor Meyer
00:02:19.380 is that we need to explain complexity
00:02:23.520 in terms of simplicity.
00:02:25.220 And of course, it's true that I cannot say
00:02:27.020 what was there before the Big Bang.
00:02:28.920 OK, so he started off,
00:02:30.320 and the first thing that he said,
00:02:31.860 with respect, Professor Dawkins, is false.
00:02:35.120 We have to explain complexity with simplicity.
00:02:39.600 What's the evidence for that?
00:02:40.800 They call it the Occam's razor,
00:02:42.160 but how do we know that that is true?
00:02:45.400 If we look at something, right,
00:02:47.280 say you are studying the atom.
00:02:50.880 It looks pretty simple.
00:02:51.980 You've got all these atoms that make up the world.
00:02:54.260 Yet, what did physicists discover
00:02:56.340 at the beginning of the 20th century?
00:02:57.720 They discovered quantum mechanics.
00:02:59.620 They discovered that actually,
00:03:01.280 when you observe a particle,
00:03:02.900 it acts differently to when you don't observe it.
00:03:04.940 Young Slate experiment.
00:03:06.120 So the world turned out to be far more complex
00:03:08.260 than we thought.
00:03:09.360 So this assumption that everything
00:03:12.060 has to be broken down into simple terms,
00:03:14.080 what's the evidence for that?
00:03:15.000 There's none.
00:03:16.000 Yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:03:16.860 I mean, he talks about like,
00:03:18.940 what was the other guy's name?
00:03:20.180 Stephen Meyer.
00:03:20.760 Yeah, Stephen Meyer said, you know,
00:03:21.600 it's like they're just pointing back
00:03:22.800 to the first cell, or whatever it is.
00:03:25.120 That doesn't explain anything.
00:03:26.320 You know, you're just pointing back to the matter.
00:03:28.300 We're not talking about that.
00:03:29.340 We're talking what created that cell,
00:03:31.840 which is the question.
00:03:32.740 But they keep saying, oh yeah,
00:03:33.600 the first cell was complex
00:03:34.540 and it replicated itself.
00:03:35.460 In order for it to replicate itself,
00:03:37.140 it has to have design in the first place.
00:03:39.760 You know, so yeah.
00:03:40.960 Absolutely.
00:03:41.520 And why one cell?
00:03:42.800 But also going back to naturalism and materialism,
00:03:46.340 it can't explain matter itself.
00:03:48.000 Yes.
00:03:48.320 Because it's insufficient.
00:03:50.180 But I just want you to add something else.
00:03:51.640 Look, Richard Dawkins knows his stuff
00:03:54.180 when it comes to biology.
00:03:55.140 Obviously he does.
00:03:55.740 But philosophy is a different thing.
00:03:57.740 And Stephen Meyer comes from a philosophy
00:03:59.140 of science background.
00:04:00.120 He has a PhD from Cambridge.
00:04:01.860 And Michael Roos, who's a well-known atheist,
00:04:04.560 he is somebody that said that reading
00:04:06.580 Richard Dawkins' book, The God Delusion,
00:04:08.980 made him embarrassed to be an atheist
00:04:10.900 and also said about him that he would fail
00:04:13.100 at an introductory class of philosophy.
00:04:15.460 So the problem here is not his science,
00:04:17.420 but it's his overall thinking philosophy.
00:04:19.960 He's been popularized.
00:04:21.120 Physicists sometimes tell us that the word
00:04:22.780 before doesn't even mean anything
00:04:24.840 before the Big Bang.
00:04:26.800 But whatever it was...
00:04:28.120 But it has to, doesn't it?
00:04:29.180 You cannot suddenly invoke...
00:04:30.680 Doesn't it have to?
00:04:32.160 I didn't get that.
00:04:33.320 Well, someone as logical as you are,
00:04:35.300 and I believe you are,
00:04:37.000 you know, you think about this all very logically,
00:04:39.900 a logical mind surely has to appreciate
00:04:42.420 that before the Big Bang,
00:04:44.060 there has to have been something before then.
00:04:46.080 Otherwise, what is nothing?
00:04:47.800 Talk.
00:04:48.200 A physicist will tell you that...
00:04:52.280 Yeah, but what do you tell him?
00:04:54.440 So when he says a physicist will tell you,
00:04:57.200 who is he really referring to?
00:04:58.480 He's referring to the likes of Lawrence Krauss.
00:05:00.580 What happened to Lawrence Krauss?
00:05:02.120 Yeah, he got a janazer.
00:05:03.280 So the fact is, you know,
00:05:05.240 he wrote a book,
00:05:06.180 A Universe from Nothing,
00:05:07.620 Nothing is Something.
00:05:08.900 You guys can see the debate with Hamza Sot says,
00:05:11.420 like, if you're going to talk about something
00:05:13.760 as deep as the beginning of the universe,
00:05:16.060 you have to speak about philosophy.
00:05:18.200 You cannot just speak about physics
00:05:19.640 because that's a point at which
00:05:21.480 physics and philosophy becomes one.
00:05:23.980 And they're so illogical.
00:05:25.280 I mean, Peer's calling them logical.
00:05:26.380 They're not.
00:05:26.700 I mean, these people use these terms and names,
00:05:28.220 even like, you know, rationality rules.
00:05:32.700 Irrationality rules.
00:05:34.200 Because I don't understand logic.
00:05:35.420 You guys are the absolute oxymoron,
00:05:37.540 the opposite of that.
00:05:38.760 And here, look, he demonstrates that
00:05:40.480 when he asks a simple question,
00:05:42.100 simply what was before that?
00:05:43.500 I mean, it's just common logic.
00:05:45.220 And he can't answer it.
00:05:46.920 I'm trying to tell you
00:05:48.260 what a physicist would say, first of all.
00:05:50.720 They would say that
00:05:51.560 you cannot use the word before
00:05:53.740 for the Big Bang.
00:05:55.080 Time began at the Big Bang.
00:05:56.860 There was no before,
00:05:58.280 before the Big Bang.
00:05:59.440 I know it's contrary to common sense.
00:06:02.140 Physicists don't necessarily deal
00:06:03.560 with common sense.
00:06:04.820 Well, it makes no sense, does it?
00:06:06.900 And that's what I mean.
00:06:07.480 You're a logical man.
00:06:08.800 That cannot make sense to you.
00:06:10.280 So, let's go back to Imam Ghazali's argument,
00:06:14.860 the Kalam cosmological argument.
00:06:16.840 Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
00:06:19.340 The universe began to exist.
00:06:21.420 Therefore, the universe has a cause.
00:06:23.100 We are not invoking anything
00:06:26.180 except basic, simple logic.
00:06:28.240 Now, the problem with Professor Dawkins,
00:06:30.680 and this is for anybody that's read his book,
00:06:32.480 The God Delusion,
00:06:33.640 is he is weak in philosophy.
00:06:36.400 He may be strong in biological science,
00:06:38.100 but he's weak in philosophy,
00:06:39.160 which is why,
00:06:39.960 when it comes to someone like Piers Morgan,
00:06:41.820 who's a journalist,
00:06:42.800 who's not a scientist himself,
00:06:44.340 or a physicist, or a philosopher,
00:06:46.020 he can corner him like this.
00:06:47.880 And you can actually see
00:06:48.580 through his body language
00:06:49.500 and his demeanor
00:06:50.280 that it's very difficult for him
00:06:52.200 to speak about this topic.
00:06:53.300 Exactly.
00:06:53.680 And you know what's really profound?
00:06:54.600 Imagine all of the people
00:06:55.840 that left their faith,
00:06:58.300 be it Christianity,
00:06:59.080 well, I mean,
00:07:00.540 just imagine them
00:07:02.220 on the day of judgment 0.98
00:07:03.200 and this clown is there 0.99
00:07:05.000 with this illogical, 0.98
00:07:06.180 irrational sense,
00:07:08.020 whatever he has, yeah?
00:07:09.100 And, I mean,
00:07:09.980 just imagine the absolute,
00:07:11.920 utter horror 1.00
00:07:12.580 of listening to this fool, 1.00
00:07:14.620 this clown that has no idea 1.00
00:07:15.880 what he's talking about, 1.00
00:07:16.740 cannot even explain
00:07:17.380 the basic principle
00:07:18.180 except that there was something before.
00:07:20.180 I mean,
00:07:20.460 just the utter devastation
00:07:22.260 of losing this life
00:07:23.860 and the hereafter
00:07:24.520 because of someone like him.
00:07:26.320 Look at his face.
00:07:26.860 I mean,
00:07:27.580 a cultural Christian atheist.
00:07:31.360 The thing that we need
00:07:32.460 to keep in mind
00:07:33.040 is somebody may be
00:07:34.000 very good at their field.
00:07:36.140 They may be very good
00:07:37.200 at zoology.
00:07:38.120 They may be very good
00:07:39.100 at explaining,
00:07:40.400 say,
00:07:40.680 the selfish gene idea,
00:07:41.800 which is what Richard Dawkins
00:07:42.700 is very good at.
00:07:43.520 But then when it comes down
00:07:44.820 to logical issues,
00:07:45.740 we shouldn't think,
00:07:46.700 oh, he has a monopoly on thinking
00:07:48.020 because he's an Oxford professor.
00:07:49.260 We should also ask
00:07:50.240 those critical questions.
00:07:50.960 But they don't
00:07:51.420 because they are insecure.
00:07:52.740 That's why they treat him
00:07:53.660 like a prophet.
00:07:54.240 Whatever he says,
00:07:54.920 it's like,
00:07:55.400 oh, we are blind faith.
00:07:56.740 But doesn't code
00:07:57.680 have to have a coder?
00:08:00.540 No, of course it doesn't.
00:08:03.200 Okay.
00:08:04.160 That doesn't make any sense.
00:08:06.680 What is Piers Morgan
00:08:07.600 basically doing?
00:08:08.780 He's asking a basic question
00:08:10.320 of inference.
00:08:11.120 The same question
00:08:11.820 which Maya,
00:08:12.860 you know,
00:08:13.640 speaking about
00:08:14.180 in the previous interview.
00:08:15.520 We are not talking
00:08:16.380 about God of the gaps.
00:08:17.240 We are using our minds
00:08:18.420 and our past experience
00:08:19.600 to deduct that
00:08:21.360 if there is
00:08:22.620 an imprint on design,
00:08:23.980 there must be a designer.
00:08:25.300 And if there's a code,
00:08:26.620 there must be a coder.
00:08:28.240 And, you know,
00:08:29.340 the other day
00:08:29.840 when we were in Bosnia,
00:08:30.640 we were, you know,
00:08:31.280 me, you and Zishan,
00:08:32.620 we were talking about
00:08:33.380 the genetic,
00:08:34.420 the DNA strand,
00:08:36.020 how it can be read
00:08:36.860 from left to right
00:08:37.560 or right to left
00:08:38.240 or it can be read 3D
00:08:39.660 and the amount
00:08:40.500 of information in it.
00:08:41.540 And then one of the things
00:08:42.140 that you were saying
00:08:42.800 is that it has more information
00:08:44.040 than all of the books
00:08:46.060 that you'll get in a library.
00:08:47.200 So all of that information,
00:08:48.800 we want to say,
00:08:49.760 no, that's an accident.
00:08:50.840 But here we are
00:08:51.540 watching this video
00:08:52.320 and we can see
00:08:52.980 there's writing Piers Morgan
00:08:53.980 and Richard Dawkins.
00:08:54.400 Information requires intelligence.
00:08:55.620 Exactly.
00:08:55.980 But look at the confidence
00:08:58.920 and the categorical way
00:09:00.860 that he's speaking no.
00:09:02.140 Yeah.
00:09:02.580 Not even a possibility
00:09:03.640 of maybe.
00:09:04.860 It's just no.
00:09:05.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:06.680 SubhanAllah.
00:09:07.200 That's why the Prophet 0.99
00:09:08.020 said a speech is like sihr.
00:09:10.440 SubhanAllah.
00:09:11.020 You know,
00:09:11.200 he's just demonstrating that.
00:09:12.220 I mean...
00:09:12.640 Let's see what else
00:09:13.680 he's saying.
00:09:14.300 Okay.
00:09:15.200 Coda arises spontaneously
00:09:17.820 at the origin of life.
00:09:19.080 Something very simple,
00:09:20.540 probably.
00:09:21.360 Okay, wait a minute.
00:09:22.260 Again,
00:09:22.940 this is an assumption.
00:09:23.940 This is not proven.
00:09:26.120 What's the evidence for this?
00:09:27.380 So he gives the answer
00:09:28.620 and then he says,
00:09:29.200 probably.
00:09:30.140 How do you know that?
00:09:31.160 How do you know
00:09:31.640 there's one cell,
00:09:32.480 not ten cells?
00:09:33.320 Yeah, exactly.
00:09:34.400 And information is something.
00:09:36.940 Yes,
00:09:37.340 it's like I said before
00:09:38.560 the example that I gave
00:09:39.300 is that if there is nothing,
00:09:42.360 yes,
00:09:42.580 absolute nothingness,
00:09:43.460 you cannot...
00:09:44.200 It's irrelevant to time.
00:09:45.760 Time is irrelevant to the equation
00:09:47.280 because the thing
00:09:47.980 and the elements
00:09:49.640 to make that thing
00:09:50.540 is not there.
00:09:51.040 So how could you be
00:09:51.800 talking about probability
00:09:52.680 and, you know,
00:09:53.600 I'm not saying he said that
00:09:54.160 like, you know,
00:09:54.460 give it enough time
00:09:55.100 but he's basically
00:09:55.840 talking about
00:09:56.480 by chance,
00:09:57.060 how could it come?
00:09:57.900 How could information
00:09:58.640 arise from nothingness?
00:10:00.700 It's an impossibility.
00:10:02.420 All of our experience
00:10:03.500 teaches us what?
00:10:04.380 It teaches us
00:10:05.120 that if there is design,
00:10:07.840 if there's information,
00:10:09.220 if there's coding,
00:10:10.480 we make an inference
00:10:11.620 but when it comes to
00:10:12.620 the coding
00:10:13.360 that we find in the DNA,
00:10:14.920 we are told
00:10:15.500 to switch off
00:10:16.420 the logic button.
00:10:18.700 We're told
00:10:19.040 to not be consistent
00:10:20.160 and to say
00:10:21.000 actually categorically
00:10:21.980 there's no design
00:10:22.940 and this is the problem
00:10:24.100 when you mix
00:10:25.760 biology
00:10:26.840 with philosophy
00:10:28.020 but you don't
00:10:29.300 actually tell people
00:10:30.460 that actually
00:10:31.100 what I'm doing here
00:10:32.560 is just my own
00:10:34.020 personal belief.
00:10:34.920 It's got nothing
00:10:35.380 through the biological data
00:10:36.420 because the biological data
00:10:37.400 is there's coding.
00:10:39.040 Any inferences
00:10:39.800 that you make,
00:10:40.480 any philosophical things
00:10:41.400 that you say
00:10:41.820 such as
00:10:42.280 no, there's definitely
00:10:43.520 no designer,
00:10:44.680 there's a background
00:10:45.240 assumption of naturalism
00:10:46.360 which is not being said here.
00:10:47.640 Exactly.
00:10:47.840 And this is in a nutshell
00:10:48.580 we'll end on this note
00:10:49.320 is that this is kufr.
00:10:50.220 Kufr is basically
00:10:50.820 you are hiding the truth.
00:10:52.360 You are basically
00:10:53.020 because of your ego
00:10:53.740 because you hate God
00:10:54.560 because I think
00:10:55.500 I don't know if he said
00:10:56.040 he was molested
00:10:56.480 when he was young
00:10:56.960 as well
00:10:57.180 I don't know if it was him
00:10:57.840 or whatever it is
00:10:58.880 you just hate God
00:10:59.880 and because of that
00:11:00.860 anything to do with God
00:11:02.280 the truth
00:11:02.720 you are hiding.
00:11:03.380 Basically these individuals
00:11:04.320 are the figureheads
00:11:05.600 of hiding the truth
00:11:06.900 and there's absolute 1.00
00:11:08.420 sadly idiots 1.00
00:11:09.960 there following them 1.00
00:11:10.960 to hellfire.
00:11:12.420 I mean
00:11:12.620 he's repeating himself
00:11:14.340 like a parrot
00:11:15.120 I think the matter
00:11:16.000 is clear about
00:11:16.420 inshallah
00:11:16.980 and the days of atheism
00:11:18.440 is over.
00:11:19.320 Absolutely.
00:11:20.040 It is so over
00:11:20.600 I mean
00:11:21.260 probably the last
00:11:22.080 I would ever do
00:11:22.720 on someone like him.
00:11:24.260 I mean
00:11:24.400 yeah.
00:11:24.900 I would highly recommend
00:11:25.760 for somebody
00:11:26.340 that wants to
00:11:27.240 know the truth
00:11:28.060 who's sincere
00:11:28.780 then what you should do
00:11:29.920 is never think to yourself
00:11:31.440 somebody has a monopoly
00:11:32.380 on thinking
00:11:32.780 yes he's a professor
00:11:33.560 yes he's from Oxford
00:11:34.600 yes he's an intelligent person
00:11:36.040 but he can be wrong
00:11:38.380 so we should be open
00:11:39.820 and skeptical
00:11:40.360 and we should have
00:11:41.540 the scientific mindset
00:11:42.460 of thinking
00:11:43.080 okay maybe I need to look
00:11:45.000 at somebody else's
00:11:45.900 arguments as well
00:11:46.720 exactly
00:11:47.180 brothers and sisters
00:11:47.840 hope you enjoyed that video
00:11:48.600 inshallah
00:11:48.900 assalamualaikum
00:11:49.660 and I'll see you next time
00:11:50.160 I'll see you next time
00:11:50.500 I'll see you next time
00:11:50.800 you