Ali Dawah - January 26, 2025UNDERCOVER SPY (CHRISTIAN) CAUGHT OUT
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In this episode, we talk about why I don't find Islam convincing, and why I believe that Jesus was not crucified by Allah, but was copied by the pagans of his time, and that the Qur'an was copied from the Gnostics.
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I don't find Islam convincing, and for me a lot of it is how it's rooted in paganism
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and like how the pagans of Mohammed's time called him an heir.
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Why? Because he would very much take from the Gnostic Christians, he would take from the Jews,
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If two people are fighting in a UFC and I say, one guy's looking quite beat down,
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and I say, hey, I want to put my money on that guy, what's impressive about that?
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Because that's what your prophet did, and I don't find anything impressive for that.
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So it's not the knockout blow that you think it is.
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They were going back and forth, there was times when Persians were winning, the Romans won.
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You'll find out in a minute, yeah? It's very impressive actually.
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It's actually, I think this is a knockout blow, yeah? For anybody, number one.
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Listen to me, listen to me, look, you're a Christian, don't come and say to me you're not a Christian.
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You're a Christian, and you are here lying pretending that, oh I'm just coming to learn, you're not.
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You are someone that's hostile, you're hostile, you're hostile.
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He saw you out, so he wants to, he came to see you.
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I'm inquiring, I suppose I'm agnostic, so I don't want to misspeak on the faith or misrepresent it.
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And for me, a lot of it is how it's rooted in paganism.
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And like how the pagans of Mohammed's time called him an heir.
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He would very much take from the Gnostic Christians, he would take from the Jews.
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So, the evidence is within the texts that outdate the time of Mohammed.
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Like the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Thomas, that very much influenced what Mohammed taught.
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So, where's your evidence that that influenced that, but rather it's not from the same source?
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So, the evidence of that is that the people were very much present in the region, these people.
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And we see that Mohammed was called an heir because he was...
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What it meant was that he was listening to what he was told and then he was preaching it like it was his revelation.
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So, yeah, so what I was going to say is the following.
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Gnostic texts that outdate Islam and clearly influence Mohammed.
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So, where is your evidence that they influenced him?
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And number two, can you show me the correlation where, for example, the Qur'an copied from there?
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Because I can make clear claims, but that's not the case.
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Because you're claiming that just because they were before, he copied.
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So, tell me something that is copied from there that the Qur'an has.
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Okay, the evidence is that we see the Gnostic texts talk about things like the crucifixion of Jesus making it made to appear that way.
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And we see that with Mohammed's teachings.
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Allah says that he was not crucified nor was he killed.
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So, this thing of, for example, understanding what that means.
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For example, it was appeared so, somebody, the replacement theory.
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These are all people, scholars, who have said this could be the case.
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They did not kill him nor did they crucify him.
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So, the Qur'an doesn't say it was replaced or something like that.
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So, when you talk about the scholars, as we know, well-respected scholars like Bart Ehrman.
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So, now, the question is, for example, do you follow the Bible today?
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So, for me, like I said, I'm inquiring into Christianity.
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I don't want to misrepresent it or misspeak it.
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So, if you do, then, for example, if the Qur'an copied, for example, we have a clear example,
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when it comes to an historical, historical fact that the Bible got wrong, but the Qur'an
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So, if that's the case, the Qur'an could never come from the Bible.
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For example, in the Qur'an, in the Bible, when you read the Bible, it talks about the time of
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Joseph, and it talks about the time of Moses, correct?
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In the time of Moses, it refers to the ruler as a Pharaoh.
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In the time of Moses, it refers to the ruler as a Pharaoh.
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Now, if the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad copied from the Bible, it would have copied
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Because when you look into the Qur'an, the Qur'an also talks about Joseph, Yusuf, and it
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So, now, when we look at those two instances, the Qur'an makes something very, very unique.
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When it talks about the time of Joseph, it refers to the ruler as a king, not as a Pharaoh.
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But when it talks about Moses' time, it says when Moses went to Pharaoh.
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When they deciphered, as you know, I don't know if you know, hieroglyphics was a dead language.
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Hieroglyphics when they found out the Rosetta Stone.
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The Rosetta Stone helped them understand the hieroglyphics.
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When they understood the hieroglyphics, they came to the conclusion that, at the time of
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That does not historically follow because there were no Pharaohs.
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So, the Qur'an, if copied the Bible, why did it not copy that mistake?
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So, for me, how I would address this, looking at the way it was referred to, differentiates
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I would say that, within the cultural context, there could have been different ways to refer
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You saying it's not a problem does not make a problem.
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No, I'm saying that in language there's different ways to refer to different things.
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The dynasty, Pharaoh dynasty is later, and also Pharaoh deemed themselves to be gods.
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So what I'm saying is, the Bible makes that historical mistake.
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The Bible is making a categorical historical mistake by the findings that we have today.
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Number one, it proves that the Quran is from God.
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Number two, it proves that the Bible, the Quran never copied from the Bible.
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So even if we take that argument at face value, all it demonstrates is that the Quran used the correct title.
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Because right now, you're just basically saying, I've got nothing to say.
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In front of my face, you're being this ingenuous.
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So you're saying you've got a historical title, right?
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In order for it to claim it's from God, it has to bring certain miracles that we can say, hold on a second.
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Now, it says that you said Muhammad, peace be upon him, copied from the Christian scripture.
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This debunks that and proves the Quran is from God.
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Firstly, the Bible makes a historical mistake, a historical error, historical fallacy, which is what?
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If the Bible says there were pharaohs, it is making a mistake in history.
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The Quran says, and when Joseph went to the king.
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Now, the question I'm asking is, why does the Quran make this unique, subtle correction?
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Because if it's copying from the Bible, it would copy the mistake, which it doesn't.
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And we only came to know about this when they found the Rosetta Stone.
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They deciphered the hieroglyphics and said, well, hold on a second.
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So, which means that how did the Quran know this historical accuracy?
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So, first of all, I would say that you're sort of, and again, when I speak on scripture, I don't want to misspeak.
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So, you're sort of holding the Bible to the same standard you try and hold your Quran to, which it doesn't mean.
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It doesn't matter if it's a king or pharaoh so much.
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You just said to me, there's many scriptures, etc.
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Again, it's like me telling you today is cold, but you're like, no, I feel hot.
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And I'm not doing this to catch you up, but you know very well you have no answer to it.
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Number one, the fact that the Quran didn't copy that mistake, does it show that it doesn't copy the Bible?
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It's the fact that the Quran doesn't copy the mistake.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was copying the Bible, he would have copied nearly everything.
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When he was copying this, because the story of Joseph and the story of Moses also mentioned in the Quran.
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Why did the Prophet Muhammad say, okay, I'm going to copy the Bible.
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I'm going to call the Pharaoh, not a Pharaoh, I'm going to call him a king.
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Number two, how did the Prophet Muhammad know this fact if it's from himself?
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So he could have been copying from oral traditions that held to this fact or that...
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How could he copy something that they believed this to be Pharaoh?
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Okay, like I said, he could have copied this not necessarily from the Injil, but from people sort of correcting this mistake or from different manuscripts.
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He could have got it from other Christians with various different manuscripts.
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What I'm saying is admit that the Quran didn't copy the Bible.
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Number two, you cannot answer the fact that how did the Prophet Muhammad know this fact?
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Now, this is very interesting because the Quran says that the Romans have been defeated in the nearer land.
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And after their defeat, they will come and win over the Persians.
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So, do you know the Persian Empire and the Roman Empire were at war with each other?
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There were times when Persians were winning, the Romans won.
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Now, in that time, who would you put your bets on?
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If you've seen the Persians have annihilated Romans.
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Edward Gibbons, who's not a Muslim, who's a historian on the Roman Empire.
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He says that the way that the Romans were defeated, them coming back was an impossibility.
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Persia has defeated and took over many lands.
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So, whoever won at the time, first of all, you need to understand that it was a long-going battle.
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If two people are fighting in a UFC, and I say...
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One guy's looking quite beat down, and I say, hey, I want to put my money on that guy.
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Because that's what your profit did, and I don't find anything impressive to that.
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So, it's not the knockout blow that you think it is.
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So, in a UFC fight, if two people are fighting, one guy's getting punched down, they've been fighting for a long time.
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And then I put my money on the guys standing up, like the guys on the floor.
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Okay, good. That's perfect, because the Qur'an does the opposite.
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Would you put your money on the one that's been on the floor?
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You said, what's impressive about the one who's been beat down?
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If you are genuine, you are about to accept this.
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It says, the one that's been beat down is going to come back and win the war.
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It's saying that the Romans have been defeated.
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Now, the Qur'an is saying, the Romans are going to come back and win the war.
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So, now I'm going to ask you a simple question.
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You just said something which, if you are genuine, would you stand by it?
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The one that's on the floor is going to come back and beat.
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The Qur'an says the Romans will come and defeat them.
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The Romans came back in three to nine or three to seven years and beat the Persians.
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How did the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, know this fact?
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Okay, so he would have made an analysis of the war and the ongoing conflict.
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I didn't say if it's the Persians of the Romans.
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You are a full-blown, you're a Christian, you're a disingenuous person.
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You're telling me, when I speak about scripture, I have to be careful.
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Listen, why are you so careful if you're not a Christian, if you're an agnostic?
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I don't want to make sure you present the face of the war.
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But when it comes to the Qur'an, you're not very careful.
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You said very clearly, it is not impressive that the one who's being beat for me to put the money on.
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The Qur'an says the Romans will come back and defeat the Persians.
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They made a historical analysis of the ongoing conflict.
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The only way I'm treating you like this is because you are disingenuous.
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When you said, oh, how is it impressive if the guy on top?
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And I proved to you, it's actually the one on the floor the Qur'an's predicted.
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Don't come and say to me you're not a Christian.
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You're a Christian and you are here lying pretending that, oh, I'm just coming to learn.
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You're disingenuous because you're misrepresented in my position now.
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